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1 • Age declaration/verification tag + Origami (by Keith S on 2026-04-06 02:17:48 GMT from United States)
Thank you for adding this tag to the database. I know I've probably been a little too vocal on the subject already so I'll stop right at "thanks!"
Also, thanks for the review of Origami. Your comments about why you choose to review certain distros were great. And I agree, people should be able to use what they prefer, but it seems obvious that not everyone thinks that way.
2 • Origami Linux 2026.03 (by Matt on 2026-04-06 04:12:18 GMT from Canada)
Join the rest of us in the twenty-first century, Jesse. Make the switch to Wayland. Don't be stuck in the 90s.
3 • Origami (by Really? on 2026-04-06 06:43:17 GMT from Italy)
It forces installation to be used, doesn't let you update or even install packages other than by its own procedure, forces use of non-standard Rust tools, even restricts hardware choice... And it uses an unsual "Wallis and Futuna" TLD for its own website?!?
If it wasn't a Linux distro (!), it would sound like some sort of malware.
4 • Age Verification is worthless... (by Bobbie Sellers on 2026-04-06 07:13:34 GMT from United States)
No children are permitted to access my computers.
I am 88 yoa and am not going to start allowing
children in my apartment.
One poster on the PCLinux forum suggests the following.
Adding legal disclaimers that a distribution is not intended
for use by children in age verification states and is not
licensed for use by anyone in such states.
bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.03- Linux 6.12.80 pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.6.3
5 • Origami Linux (by Pun on 2026-04-06 09:21:40 GMT from United States)
I heard Origami Linux had FOLDED!
6 • 21st Century Software (by Anigma on 2026-04-06 10:32:55 GMT from United States)
... has brought us wipe and restart without proving first that it is capable of replacing that which it seeks to replace.
Despite our efforts and improvements, century after century, the wheel remains a circle.
20th century was based on invention and refinement of that invention. Now the focus is to create and be known as a creator. Rather than taking which already worked and refining it, or creating wayland as a drop-in replacement for X11 so it could be tested side-by-side for compatibility, this century opts for writing that which further fragments.
Many problems we now seek to solve with added services and utilities are required now only because of problems created by the fragmentation which exists already. As Jesse has mentioned in previous posts, there is no 'one Wayland install'. Something which has to be built against a DE is inherently not the same thing as X11, which is fine - but it has not yet prove itself to be as stable, predictable, or portable as X11.
Maybe when it grows up.. but it still feels very 'beta', and seems to hide behind it's lack of support by advertising it's 'awesome new features'.. that work over here.. when built right.. with the needed options.. just don't try and use it over there though cause they need another set of options.
@4: the question is whether or not that would:
a) violate the FOSS license being used,
b) actually work legally
If so, more power to them I guess. Personally thinking about a checkbox you have to click on if you live in an 'age verification' location and then implementing declarative. Verification is too infringing and it won't stand up in court, no one place should have that amount of personal data stored, nor should any service be made publicly available to companies to access that data even if its 'just stored locally'.
The problem is that the places that are enforcing the law are doing so knowing that the tech world is very prevalent in those areas. By doing this they will either force us to comply to varying degrees, or they will inadvertently force the tech crowd away from those locations. Who knows.. maybe people ARE getting upset enough with governments trying to dictate for them..
..or maybe parents in California are just as afraid about talking to their kids as they were before? :)
7 • Age verification (by dachshundman on 2026-04-06 10:42:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
It seems to me that Age Verification (passive) would just be a step on the way to Age Verification (active) so I would much prefer to have neither. I may not be quite as old as @4 but it is still highly unlikely that anybody under the age of 18 would ever be allowed to use my computers. Also as a UK resident I rather object to some people in the US deciding I need age verification to run my computer because they want to control what I think and do.
Time for the EU to step in and introduce a law that an OS is not allowed to collect and pass personal information to 3rd parties. Let the diplomats sort that one out.
8 • Age Verification (by Simon Wainscott-Plaistowe on 2026-04-06 11:01:45 GMT from New Zealand)
I choose Linux Mint for my workstations. Can't see the age verification fiasco will change that. Mint is a well-balanced distro and I reckon their team will make a a well-balanced decision regarding how to deal with this bullsh!t.
9 • Age verify (by Cheker on 2026-04-06 11:05:27 GMT from Portugal)
I'm surprised Linux devs are so submissive. A portion of them much bigger than I expected is just accepting this. Richard Stallman's generation would not have kowtowed to this.
I don't tolerate technofascism in my systems. If it's just a check that I can dismiss with a fake birthdate (famously like the Steam one) then I'm OK with that. If there's some real verification with real life ID it gets the boot and I'll be installing a distro that belongs to the people.
10 • Age Verification (by dragonmouth on 2026-04-06 11:37:45 GMT from United States)
Age Verification is a political ploy to prove to the unwashed masses that the Politicians are actually doing something for once. It is nothing more than the old ¨Think of the children" emotional appeal claptrap. Within days (if not sooner) of its implementation, it will be circumvented, bypassed and/or made irrelevant. But the Politicians will crow that they are ¨Protecting the Children.¨
@7: LOL! You have the gall to talk about Age Verification and the US when the UK government is incarcerating people for doing nothing more than SILENTLY praying within X feet of an abortion clinic???
11 • Wayland (by Jesse on 2026-04-06 11:57:39 GMT from Canada)
@2: "Join the rest of us in the twenty-first century, Jesse. Make the switch to Wayland. Don't be stuck in the 90s."
As soon as I find a Wayland implementation which is as efficient, quick, and compatible as X11 then I will happily switch. Until then I see no reason to swap out good, fast, working technology for one with bugs, performance issues, and a 25% overhead.
I use technologies which work for me, not what is the popular shiny item du jour.
12 • Age verification (by Dave on 2026-04-06 12:06:21 GMT from Australia)
I would have thought if anything this would have been the responsibility of web browsers, or services that you connect to (youtube, x etc) Not the OS
13 • Age verification (by Pogi Americano on 2026-04-06 12:06:28 GMT from United States)
What if I don't use my real name, such as I am using for this email? What if have a false picture ID or false birth certificate? What if I hire a really good hacker? Or, use someone else's computer (knowing their password of course). How can an operating system verify that it is rally me that is trying to log in? It's just more bloat.
14 • Waylan (by working_crass on 2026-04-06 12:11:07 GMT from Luxembourg)
I am not a debian user, and found when I installed debian that it uses wayland - point is that not everything works with wayland such as gparted.
15 • Wayland (by PEP on 2026-04-06 12:14:22 GMT from United States)
Very WELL said, Jesse.
Objective opinion, succinct and to the point.
Thanks.
16 • US Policy (by Dave on 2026-04-06 12:21:33 GMT from Australia)
@7 "Also as a UK resident I rather object to some people in the US deciding I need age verification to run my computer because they want to control what I think and do."
I wondered about that too, why does everything change because the US, actually no, a state in the US decides, to do something? Who carres? 99.99% of the world don't have to even register this on their radar.
17 • Murena (by Geo. on 2026-04-06 12:26:50 GMT from Canada)
Murena /e/OS just goes from strength to strength. It is truly the Mint of Android ROMs. 💟
18 • Big no to spyware (age verification) (by Štefan on 2026-04-06 13:04:45 GMT from Slovenia)
One of the many reasons I switched from Windows to Mint Linux is I had enough of spyware (and other bloatware like Annoying Idiocy and ads) being integrated into Windows. So I will definitely switch away from Mint if they start following this spyware road. Linux should be more of a rebel when it comes to these citizen hostile BS. I was looking to switch to a distribution where KDE Plasma is a furst class citizen anyways so yeah might be the right time to start looking for another distribution anyways.
19 • Origami (by waltff on 2026-04-06 13:24:29 GMT from United States)
It took you 45 minutes to install origami??? It took me about 5 minutes to install it and it is running great. Maybe your computer is too old and slow to run a modern Linux distro...
20 • Modern (by Jesse on 2026-04-06 13:31:02 GMT from Canada)
@19: "It took you 45 minutes to install origami??? It took me about 5 minutes to install it and it is running great. Maybe your computer is too old and slow to run a modern Linux distro..."
These computers have no trouble running Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, Endeavour, or AerynOS. All of which are modern, full featured distributions. Obviously the level of "modern" is not the issue.
21 • Age Veri: Say NO to Survelliance (by Jupiter on 2026-04-06 13:34:12 GMT from United States)
Well there certainly will be some factoring in, as if a distro has that age stuff, no thanks. I don't want it! I'm sure a few things like Ubuntu might end up getting it, but frankly I don't intend to install that. As for my home distribution of Solus, they have no intentions of complying with this age nonsense.
My million-dollar question is gonna be what some of the larger baseline distros (Debian, Fedora, etc) do. We already know Arch just blocked out California, so I'll be interested to see what some of the others do, since they might decide a lot of this due to all their derivatives.
Linux: Not certified for use in California, Colorado, or North Korea. (Except RedStar)
22 • Wayland and GParted (by M61 on 2026-04-06 14:15:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
@14
GParted can work on Wayland. I can't tell you how exactly, but it's to do with Wayland not letting you run certain things as root(think of the children) and also something to do with the display settings(not the actual screen display but how they are seen internally).
Don't quote me, but Wayland and x11 use different displays, namely 0 and 1(or vice versa), so there's a conflict. It can be worked around though.
As an example, I recently installed Waydog, which is Debian based and is the Wayland version of Lilidog, using labwc as the window manager, and GParted works fine in there.
The window that pops up and asks for your admin password says:
"Authentication is needed to run '/usr/bin/env WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0 ... _DIR=/run/user/1000 /usr/sbin/gparted' as the super user"
I have no idea what all that means, or how it works, or whether it needs xwayland installed etc? It does work though. :)
Waydog seems to be using labwc-menu-generator to create a dynamic menu, so all the magic must be happening in there somewhere?
It only works if you use the menu entry for GParted. If you try running it in the terminal with sudo gparted, it doesn't work.
The latest ArchBang distros with labwc use a static menu, but Mr, Green has added something similar to the GParted .desktop file to get it to run.
Maybe I distrohop too much? Still. After 25 years!
23 • Size Doesn't Matter (by Anigma on 2026-04-06 14:41:47 GMT from United States)
@16 .. you're forgetting 99.99% of the planet uses software that's coming from regions that make up <0.01% of the world's surface.
Like it or not, the USA and California in particular has been the tech center of the world with Silicon Valley. You may not live there but that same 99% of the world you mention is using ~something~ that comes from California one way or another, and even if you don't - they have to abide by those laws.
Microsoft, Apple, and IBM are all very big in California. If they produce software that goes against regulations they lose their own licensing. Don't like it? Just go start your own Microsoft, IBM, or Apple in your country.. oh wait..
24 • @14, @22 Wayland (by Tasio on 2026-04-06 14:50:10 GMT from Philippines)
I've run Wayland on KDE Neon, Tuxedo OS, and now on Kubuntu 26.04. No problems with Wayland and no problems running gparted. And yes, it can be run from the terminal with sudo.
25 • RE: Immutability (by K0-Z0 on 2026-04-06 15:02:32 GMT from United States)
Obligatory note on Wayland: Your capacity to get actual production work done is held captive by people who don't think outside their frame of mind (Freedesktop) and won't consider the issues you run into as relevant to "MUH SECURITY". Xlibre exists. You don't have to worry about your windows freezing or segfaulting because the tools you need on the daily doesn't follow Freedesktops rules.
Anyways.
"Immutable" systems are only easy in the sense of easy on the eyes and ears marketing, you can paint over ugly and convoluted abstractions that make otherwise basic tasks a nightmare at best, dangerous at worst. You can only protect a system so much until it becomes impossible to do without an internet connection (which is a problem this OCI nonsense perpetuates).
26 • California changes The World (by InvisibleInk on 2026-04-06 15:16:00 GMT from United States)
@ #16
Sorry, Mate, you don't understand California's influence.
Let me clear it up for you.
Digital technology, personal computers, The Internet, smart phones... All originated in the state of California. If something originates in California, it is likely to spread over the whole planet in virtually no time at all.
27 • California's exodus (by chrism on 2026-04-06 16:17:53 GMT from United States)
California may be losing some of it financial "glitter" by chasing out the high tech moguls that subtantially help fuel that economy with ever increasing taxes. Money flows like water and finds its own level. The same is occurring in many high tax states, where business moguls are heading for lesser taxed states. This is not a political discussion, just a reality check.
28 • Age verification (by David on 2026-04-06 16:19:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
There are plenty of distros based outside the USA. US snooping, like their software patents, will just be something they have to put up with, while the rest of us will just look smug.
@ 26
"Digital technology, personal computers, The Internet, smart phones... All originated in the state of California"
Well the first modern PC originated there, so you've got one thing right!
29 • California (by Keith S on 2026-04-06 17:00:43 GMT from United States)
@26 While it's true that the first nodes on the internet were in California, most of the work developing the protocols it runs on was done in Massachusetts at MIT.
30 • Age verification (by Robert on 2026-04-06 17:01:47 GMT from United States)
Age declaration would certainly make me uncomfortable. But I'm also lazy and might not switch distros solely because of this.
Age verification is an absolute dealbreaker. Under no circumstances will I be scanning ID's so I can use my operating system.
I don't think Arch is very likely to go that far, so I'm probably safe enough. I do use Ubuntu which I think is potentially dangerous. It is the server version though, not sure if that makes any difference.
I have been considering checking out OpenMandriva. Never tried it before so I don't know if I'll like it. But I do get the impression that the devs align closely with my values.
31 • Invention of the internet (by Keith S on 2026-04-06 17:21:00 GMT from United States)
Also, we shouldn't overlook all the work that Albert Gore Jr. did in his home state of DC while he was inventing the internet, before he went to Vietnam and became the most decorated soldier in US history.
32 • Personal computers (by Keith S on 2026-04-06 17:30:47 GMT from United States)
@26 And although the Apple Computer was invented in California, the architecture that is far more relevant to Linux was created in Boca Raton, Florida, where the IBM PC was born.
33 • re: Personal computers (by InvisibleInk on 2026-04-06 17:39:10 GMT from United States)
@32
I don't know, dude. The re-engineered UNIX, BSD, that Macs use for its basis, was literally named the "Berkeley Software Distribution" for originating at the University of California!
34 • Age verification soon becomes biometric age tracking dependency (by Knob on 2026-04-06 18:24:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
This is another liberty being taken to perform dragnet surveillance.
soon you won’t be able to wipe your arse without submitting a selfie before during and after…
Is this the kind of world you want your kids to inherit?
Screw those mainstream video doorbell / home security bastards too
Check out security cameras without intrusive AI coupled to untrustworthy side channel networks (.sidewalk)
Look at EU GDPR respecting alternatives like Netatmo
35 • Age verification option on search page (by Jo on 2026-04-06 19:27:40 GMT from Switzerland)
Thank you very much for having added an age verification option to the search page! I think it would be even more helpful if this were a separate drop-down field and would include a 'No age verification' option.
36 • SlimbookOS (by John on 2026-04-06 20:24:16 GMT from Canada)
I've recently discovered SlimbookOS (from the slimbook laptop people in Spain) - it's based on Ubuntu 24.04, but seems to work much better. I'm currently running on 2 different laptops (KDE Plasma on one, and Gnome on the other) and on my gaming desktop (KDE Plasma). So far no issues at all
37 • I already switched because of age verification (by Matt on 2026-04-06 20:47:29 GMT from United States)
After I discovered systemd was going to implement age verification, I switched last weekend from Debian to Devuan. I've already made the switch on my laptop and work desktop. Also planning to make the switch from Debian to Devuan on several other computers used in my lab
My phone already runs GrapheneOS and I was pleased to read that they will not comply.
I don't do anything illegal on my computers and I do not plan to. I'm opposed to age verification because I believe in private property. When I buy a computer, I own it. That means I control what information it sends out and when. If I want to install software that compromises my privacy, that should be a choice. Integrating privacy compromising into the OS is unacceptable
38 • origami linux (by TORAN on 2026-04-06 21:18:21 GMT from Belgium)
Origami has a big problem, being printers and scanners. My hp simply is not detected. My scamsoftware detects my scanner, but indicates the tray is empty. So the paper goes thru, but no scan.
there is an icon on the desktop for sound, but it directly does not change the volume. You have to open properties to change the volume. Small step, but is shows Cosmic is not mature yet.
Cut and paste does not always work. Just try again and it will work, but again maturity.
besides that, oh yes, this distro has a lot to offer.
if only they would include scanner and printer detection...
39 • Age verification (by Xander on 2026-04-06 21:44:26 GMT from United States)
Age verification is a deal breaker to me because that would only be the beginning. Where would it end? And who will end up with all this information? I'm trying not to be political. Obviously anything like this should be an option. If I have to change distros to avoid all this, I will. As far as the comment don't be stuck in the 90s, I remember using a data terminal to access the local HP 1000. I don't need, or ever will need, the latest shiny toy. I just want a computer, or a car for that matter, that just works well. Hey, I would gladly use nothing more than JWM on an "antique" computer if it worked decent. My A6 processor laptop died about 18 months ago. lol. Best wishes to all.
40 • Ave Verification on Linux Distos (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-04-06 22:26:43 GMT from United States)
No Linux distro have that implemented yet, as reported by site writer Jesse. Good. I am curious as to the reason for that, and hoping that it is because perhaps there is some reluctance on the parts of those Distro creators and developers.
But, then I come around to that systemD thing.. that init is already complying.. so. My goodness what a mindset; that of being suspicious now that a portion of the systemD propagation was with this age verification and perhaps other intrusions coming along. I don't like thinking that way.
I am of the same mind as many here and @39 Xander's way of putting it, in part: "Age verification is a deal breaker to me because that would only be the beginning. Where would it end? And who will end up with all this information?"
41 • update origami linux (by TORAN on 2026-04-06 23:19:48 GMT from Belgium)
so, yes, the sound is a problem, but I reinstalled origami with my hp printer on. To my suprise I suddenly have an icon under Applications to cofigure the printer. GOOD.
Then the scanner. Simple Scan does not work. Skanlite works, but refuses to store, also when I choose the save folder.
But then we have skanpages. Also used by Fedora, and this time everything works perfect.
concearning the sound, adjust using the wheel on the headphones. or the volume straight on the loudspeakers.
42 • Age declaration laws (by Jesse on 2026-04-06 23:27:30 GMT from Canada)
@40: "No Linux distro have that implemented yet, as reported by site writer Jesse. Good. I am curious as to the reason for that"
Developers just found out about the laws a few weeks ago and the laws don't take effect until next year. Software changes that require coordination between multiple components don't happen instantly.
43 • Age verification stupidity (by ghena on 2026-04-07 01:22:42 GMT from Moldova)
why age verification is implemented stupidly, by scanning passports, and then leaking this data accidentally.
It should be realized at ISP level. Every child who uses a computer/phone has MAC address. ISPs then can tell that these mac addresses are 18-. Parents who wanna protect their children can then demand limited services for their children. Why enshitify the internet, can politicians not propose solutions they don't understand how to implement ?
44 • @43, Age verification stupidity (by Don Macchiatto on 2026-04-07 01:55:43 GMT from Japan)
@43- "It should be realized at ISP level. Every child who uses a computer/phone has MAC address. ISPs then can tell that these mac addresses are 18-."
Sorry, but that's not the way it works. When connecting from a WiFi network, the ISP only sees the modem MAC address no matter who is using what or how many. If connected to cellular, the ISP can identify the device used, but not by using MAC addresses. Look up "International Mobile Equipment Identity" and International Mobile Subscriber Identity.
45 • Origami (by hANK on 2026-04-07 05:51:15 GMT from Germany)
19 • Origami (by waltff on 2026-04-06 13:24:29 GMT from United States)
It took you 45 minutes to install origami??? It took me about 5 minutes to install it and it is running great. Maybe your computer is too old and slow to run a modern Linux distro...
Took nore than 40 minutes to install on a powerful computer,
really is an awful memory and cpu hog. Power consumption of the computer is massively increased. I folded it.
Feeling post 19 is from a troll or folded origami dev.
One rarely reviewed point is Power Efficiency, it should be, Origami pulls way more wattage from my solar system than my favorite setup but performance is in comparison abyssmal.
46 • California (by Dave on 2026-04-07 06:04:57 GMT from Australia)
@23 That's nice. Is Linux and every compoment of open source computing, all the libraries, programs, languages etc all based in California as well?
Open source is usually de-centralised by nature, and anything can be forked if a project goes off the rails.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong (text, what can you do?) but your last sentance comes off so American. "We're the best, no-one one's as good as us, God bless America". Lol. You guys really believe that stuff hey? We all find it absolutely hilairius.
47 • oh... Dave :) (by Anigma on 2026-04-07 07:45:02 GMT from United States)
I understand your frustration.. but..
a) Despite being born American; yes - I was raised in and lived in 3rd world nations as an infant, child, and adult. Assuming that me being in the USA makes me a typically 'untraveled, uncultured American' is off base. I've developed IT in half a dozen states & nations. This is not me raising an American flag.. I wish opensource was as 'decentralized' as you think, but:
b) In order to release an Linux distro, one has to license it. Whether its GPL or w/e - there is a person.. somewhere.. who has it licensed. Where do they live? Even if it isn't the USA, do they want to:
1) prevent individuals in those regions from accessing information simply because of their geographical location? .. would you move so you could legally install Windows/OSX?
2) prevent businesses and corporations from even seeing your system as viable for enterprise application due to its lack of adherence to the laws in place (in CA) which they have have to follow in order to maintain their business license? .. would a business risk loss of their right to DO BUSINESS in order to use your software?
3) risk releasing the OS in a method which puts you at legal risk if you live within the USA or ever plan to visit? To be clear.. you don't have to live in CA for this law to affect you as a developer in the USA. You can be from another state and tried in CA for laws broken there. Sadly the GPL and other opensource licenses cannot stand up in court if you're trying to use them to avoid the same legal infrastructure which facilitiates their very being.
I lived in California years back. Do I feel they "deserve" as a state to own this control? Hell no. But me liking or not liking something does not make it any more or less real. Me being American does not make me any more or less right - it's just facts.
Being in Australia does give you some freedom from this, but as long as you use software, ANY software - which is being released by anyone who lives in or has ties to the USA in any way is going to have to treat this very, very carefully.
48 • Linux Gaming (by Kurt_Aust on 2026-04-07 07:45:44 GMT from Australia)
Not mentioned in the section on gaming is that if you're an old timer who like a lot of classic games from say 2005 and earlier, you've got a better chance of them running on Linux using a WINE front end like PlayOnLinux than you do on Windows 11.
49 • Wayland, thanks but thanks no (yet) (by Steampenguin on 2026-04-07 08:17:13 GMT from Hungary)
@2 wrote: "Join the rest of us in the twenty-first century, Jesse. Make the switch to Wayland. Don't be stuck in the 90s."
It is rude on a free software related page. It is OK if you are satisfied with it, that is up to you. But do you really want to say to others what to use? What a trendy dude. Additionally wayland is far from being ready, some things still prevents me as well to use it.
50 • Wayland and Debian (by Please be clear on 2026-04-07 10:12:29 GMT from Italy)
@14 this is not correct. Debian offers use of Wayland as well as of X11. If you decide to setup your installation using Gnome, installer defaults to Wayland, otherwise to X11. But there's no reason to not have them both available: you can install packages after initial setup.
Wayland is just a protocol, installing compositors is the aspect that you should care. And you can always start a session with a WM/DE and use one or the another (some times even both are supported) at one time.
51 • Age Verification (by dragonmouth on 2026-04-07 11:40:33 GMT from United States)
It seems that Age Verification has already been implemented in Australia. Recently 5 Million social media accounts of those under 16 years old have been taken down by the government. The government promises further takedowns.
52 • re: I already switched because of age verification (by InvisibleInk on 2026-04-07 04:30:09 GMT from United States)
@37, Matt
Well, and 'nuf said.
Somehow I read your note in Clint Eastwood's Man With No Name wandering gunman tough guy voice. And I marveled the clear and succinct stand that yours really is.
I see slippery slopes ahead. Only a rare, principle few will jump ship from systemd distros.
I'm not going to jump from CachyOS to Artix over this. If this mess becomes an avalanche, I'll leap across the pond to Mageia, instead.
53 • Age verification (by N9NU on 2026-04-07 21:04:54 GMT from United States)
Why in the hell should age verification be implemented within an OS at all?? This is ridiculous.
If you have kids it is your damn responsibility as something called a PARENT to raise and regulate your kids time online and/or content they view. Too many people want everyone and everything BUT themselves [as parents] to do their job. For crap sakes parents; wake up!!
54 • Compliance with age verification bills and laws (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-04-07 22:24:05 GMT from United States)
@42. Linux distros aside for now, it appears there is a lot of compliance out there. No distros.. yet (the systemD compliance is yet another reason to avoid that init in distros, and that is quite influential of course).
I hate searching on line anymore, but I did and it said this:
"As of early 2026, roughly half of U.S. states mandate age verification for adult content and social media, forcing platforms like (famous risque site name) and various social apps to adopt strict,often ID-based, compliance measures."
"Major tech companies (Meta, TikTok) are shifting responsibility to app stores, while companies like Discord, YouTube, and Tinder use, or plan to use, AI-based age estimation and ID verification."
And a lot more. As we search we see an avalanche of age verification law compliance.
55 • gparted Works Easily on Wayland Here Is How (by Carl Comment on 2026-04-08 00:17:28 GMT from United States)
gparted on Wayland Sway works from terminal with:
sudo -EH gparted
This machine doesn't even have xorg or pkexec installed. The Void Linux .desktop file works by changing two lines,
Exec=sudo -EH gparted %f
Terminal=true
which opens a terminal for the password prompt, then launches the GUI. On Void Linux make the change above and add a line to some .conf file in /etc/xbps.d,
noextract=/usr/share/applications/gparted.desktop
Anyway I prefer gptfdisk and wish more distros would include it, not older fdisk/cfdisk or GUI apps like gparted.
https://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/
56 • UbuntuMate (by Tim on 2026-04-08 01:30:56 GMT from United States)
I hope we're not nearing the end of UbuntuMate. But if we are, I'd like to thank the team for 11 great years. I think my first install of it was 15.04 and it won my whole family over to Linux for its beauty simplicity, and by pretty much always working right.
57 • Age verification methods are not equal. (by Tasio on 2026-04-08 01:51:14 GMT from Philippines)
Specifically, the law causing all the weeping and teeth gnashing is California's AB 1043 (the Digital Age Assurance Act). Age verification such as in Australia is a different animal altogether. In Australia, the onus is placed on the app, website, social media, etc. providers. If adult content is available, then age verification is required for access, much like buying liquor at a store in the US, where an ID and photo are required. (Yes, it can be and is circumvented, but that's another subject.)
The California law is the result of political pressure and lobbying by providers such as Facebook, et al. The responsibility is transferred to the device used and its users. As of now, it requires no proof, just an assertion. In that sense, it is less effective then Australia's method. "But Your Honor, he told me he was 18, so I sold him the booze. Not my fault he lied!"
The public at large doesn't care to know the difference. They just want their children shielded from the sight of dangerous things like female tits.:) As such, age verification polls up to 90% in some cases. (As an aside, a few of the commenters here don't seem to know or care about the difference either. I wonder how many read the California act?)
There are extremes: @53, "If you have kids it is your damn responsibility as something called a PARENT to raise and regulate your kids time online and/or content they view." Does he/she actually have children? If he does, does he maintain 24 hour surveillance on them? And when most parents have problems with connected devices, whom do you think they rely on for help first? What the subject needs is rational discussion, not half-cocked revolution. Of course, one can always go off-grid.
58 • @57: (by dragonmouth on 2026-04-08 11:43:58 GMT from United States)
You are just splitting hairs.
The fact is that, no matter its form, Age Verification is the next step in universal surveillance and universal control, and as such, must be opposed in ANY form, be it the Australian version or the California version or any other version.
59 • @57, Surveillance (by Tasio on 2026-04-08 14:40:19 GMT from Philippines)
@57, "The fact is that, no matter its form, Age Verification is the next step in universal surveillance and universal control" You confuse fact with opinion. Fact is that government entities have a much greater capacity to intrude then you imagine. No need for age verification and follow-ups. If I were in the US and expected to be watched, I'd start with a burner phone and data pack paid with cash, create a hotspot for a PC and connect through a VPN. Avoid any usual haunts online and any communication would be end-to-end encryption. The only things keeping government out are laws and regulations, easily broken or by-passed. When they start making burner phones and VPNs illegal, start really worrying.
Age verification is a given. It's coming in one form or another since it's favored by a vast majority in the US and elsewhere regardless of political affiliation. Activists may have an effect as to which versions are less intrusive and who should be responsible. Go to it if you're gung ho. I'm too old to worry much about it.
60 • @56 Ubuntu Mate (by kc1di on 2026-04-08 16:25:58 GMT from United States)
I hope not also. Martin and team did a very good job of putting the mate DE in ubuntu and it's been solid for sometime. Hope some will step up and keep it going.
61 • Surveillance (by Keith S on 2026-04-08 23:09:41 GMT from United States)
The sad reality is that government surveillance in the U.S. began with the creation of Social Security numbers in the '30s. If you want a case study in how the lies told at the beginning of government programs turn into something completely different, Social Security is a great example.
My parents had total faith in the goodness of the government, so they got me and my siblings SSNs in the mid-60s when I was about 5 years old. I still have that original card. It clearly states "Not to be used for identification purposes" lol. The new cards do not have that on them. My first driver's license in the '70s used my SSN as the driver's license number. My uncle refused to participate in Social Security and never paid into it and never collected from it. I wish I had been given that option. I doubt I'll collect anything near what I've paid into the Ponzi scheme.
But that number is the basis of all further surveillance regimes that have been built up in the last 90 years. I agree, it's too late to go back. And if you think you can actually buy a burner phone with cash that can't be traced back to you, you have not been keeping up at all. The only solution involves building strong local ties with family and like-minded friends. The bigger and more cohesive that group is, the more likely it is that at least some of the group will survive when shtf. And when it does, it will be a mistake to rely on cell phones or the internet for communication.
None of this means that I won't avoid age verification in software. But realistically the effect of that will most likely be to have my name put on another list by faceless bureaucrats.
62 • Age Verification... (by rhtoraS on 2026-04-09 01:25:49 GMT from Greece)
Age Verification was a weapon to stop the big step up for unixlike operating systems in 2026. I totally disagree and systemD was the trojan horse to beat linux. Lennart Poettering is responsilble for all these mess. I use void (btw) and nothing happened here and in my #2 pc i use OpenBSD and nothing happened there too.
As for distributions i also like Austrumi Linux because not only is systemD free (and elogind free too) but it also uses fvwm. Fvwm is very flexible and can be whatever you want.
63 • Age verification (by Barnabyh on 2026-04-09 12:31:51 GMT from France)
It's obvious that age verification will eventually become ID verification. One day that input will be required to be registered to even just boot up your OS, or they'll even make it part of the firmware.
Value not set = no boot
64 • New to Linux? (by JD on 2026-04-09 14:51:39 GMT from Italy)
"For someone new to Linux, which distro offers the most Windows-like experience?". I would recommend Kubuntu LTS (software availability, stability, intuitiveness).
65 • Surveillance (by Ted K on 2026-04-10 01:29:17 GMT from United States)
@61-"surveillance regimes that have been built up in the last 90 years." Better be careful. They're probably watching you right now.
66 • Surveillance (by Keith S on 2026-04-10 01:54:37 GMT from United States)
@65 Yes, as I noted at the end: "But realistically the effect of that will most likely be to have my name put on another list by faceless bureaucrats."
67 • Surveillance (by Keith S on 2026-04-10 01:58:53 GMT from United States)
@65 You might be further amused to learn that I got debanked over 20 years ago, before it was cool. It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
68 • Surveillance (by Ted K on 2026-04-10 04:07:43 GMT from Philippines)
@67 "It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you." Or as Delmore Schwartz said: Even paranoids have enemies.
69 • New to Linux? (by Be wise on 2026-04-10 09:11:19 GMT from Italy)
@64 Every major Linux distro can satisfy expectations for software availability, stability, intuitiveness. It's just a matter of setup. Choosing a distro because of its aspect is kind of like eating noodles just because they resemble spaghetti: at that point, even strings may be fine...
Moreover, why should ex-Windows users switch to Linux if they've become fed up with Microsoft's dictatorship but don't want to abandon aspects that make that regime effective? Linux is not Windows, BSD isn't, too and MacOS is not either: choose them because you want that, not because you don't want Microsoft any more but want Windows just the same.
70 • Computing Choices (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-04-10 12:23:42 GMT from United States)
@69 "..why should ex-Windows users switch to Linux if they've become fed up with Microsoft's dictatorship but don't want to abandon aspects that make that regime effective? Linux is not Windows, BSD isn't, too and MacOS is not either: choose them because you want that, not because you don't want Microsoft any more but want Windows just the same."
I do agree with a bit of that, but to add that it also depends on how "base" we want to be, how far we draw back for our overview of the computing situation we're all in. Do we understand the differences between Windows and Linux? More importantly, do we understand the differences between Windows and windows? Windows is the wannabe dictator of all of us who just want windows (windows being what you're looking at right now).
Microsoft has always been relentless in their vision of being Everything The World Needs In Computing. So, they've got 90 some percent of the world market with that relentlessness. And whether we admit it or not, the very concept of looking at a screen with a graphic user interface is looking at windows, and Windows is so much the standard of windows that we very often see remarks referring to how easy it is to migrate from Windows to Linux if we just use this or that distro to do so.
In that overview sense, Apple is windows, BSD is windows, Linux is windows... and Microsoft Windows has won; you're using windows.
71 • @70 • Computing Choices (by Gruyere on 2026-04-10 15:17:36 GMT from Switzerland)
"So, they've got 90 some percent of the world market with that relentlessness." Not quite. MS have around 74% of desktop market, but the majority of people use smartphones for most web and daily tasks, and MS are pretty much non-existent in the smartphone market. And even on Windows desktops, most people use Google Chrome browsers for internet.
72 • windows (by Dave Postles on 2026-04-10 15:22:51 GMT from United Kingdom)
Xerox Parc
73 • Age Verification (by Brett on 2026-04-10 16:28:17 GMT from United States)
Reading through the comments here, it seems some misunderstand what the California law does.
The California law does not require users to participate in age verification. The law requires developers of OSes or app stores to implement an age verification mechanism by January 1, 2027 that is available to the user if they choose to utilize it. The law prohibits developers from sharing information with third parties beyond what it is necessary to comply with the law, and the state does not collect any data whatsoever from the age verification mechanism.
74 • @73 • Age Verification (by Nobody on 2026-04-10 17:13:39 GMT from United States)
@73- "available to the user if they choose to utilize it" That's not the case. Read the thing.
An operating system provider shall do all of the following:
(1) Provide an accessible interface at account setup that REQUIRES (Not asks pretty please.)* an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store.
(2) Provide a developer who has requested a signal with respect to a particular user with a digital signal via a reasonably consistent real-time application programming interface that identifies, at a minimum, which of the following categories pertains to the user:
(A) Under 13 years of age.
(B) At least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age.
(C) At least 16 years of age and under 18 years of age.
(D) At least 18 years of age.
*Caps and parentheses mine.
75 • @74 (by Brett on 2026-04-10 17:57:24 GMT from United States)
I should have been more clear as the definitions in the law differentiate between Account Holders and Users, and I used "user" because it had been a while since I read the text.
Account Holders are adults (per the law's definition) and they are not required to verify their age. Users are children (per the law), and OSes have to provide Account Holders an age verification mechanism for Users, so technically speaking, OSes do not have to verify the age of an Account Holder. Practically speaking, they'll likely do so for simplicity sake and to ensure no optics of non-compliance.
On top of not requiring Account Holders to verify their age (regardless how OSes code the mechanism), the law does not require Account Holders to provide truthful information when inputting a child's age. Admittedly that is different from not requiring participation as I previously put it, but what I was getting at is we as owners of our computers do not have to comply with anything, and no data of ours is going to be collected by the state.
76 • @75 Puzzlement Age verification (by Nobody on 2026-04-10 23:32:08 GMT from United States)
@75- "Users are children(per the law)" You're getting befuddled in language.
"REQUIRES an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device" All that's assume is that an adult will be setting up the account. If an "account holder" will be using the device, he/she will also be a user. If users are children by definition, why is the "account holder" required to indicate if the user is over 18?
"the following categories pertains to the user:
(A) Under 13 years of age.
(B) At least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age.
(C) At least 16 years of age and under 18 years of age.
(D) At least 18 years of age."
You're either confused or trying to defend the indefensible by twisting words.
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