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1 • Talk is cheaper than code (by Huyzs on 2026-03-09 00:40:25 GMT from France)
I've been browsing the web for more than 20 years now and I've rarely seen a better dialogue of the deaf from the thread about implementing such basic functionality: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/california-age-verification/181968
I understand how much political Linux users can be when governments and big companies tell them how they must use their computer, but these people keep adding their 2c and at the end, there is not even a single dollar of wisdom.
Just implement the basic form to ask for birth date, and allow users to skip it. California won't sue Fedora but the user (or, most probable, nobody at all).
2 • one package manager (by john on 2026-03-09 01:42:47 GMT from Canada)
There is "one package manager" out there and some Linux Distros along with NetBSD, Minux and maybe others use, pkgsrc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkgsrc
I think it is too bad it never became popular, I have used it and I think it works great.
3 • Evading age verification laws (by InvisibleInk on 2026-03-09 02:31:22 GMT from United States)
I guess if I choose to run a system with no multi-user accounts, like Puppy Linux, Haiku, or FreeDOS, then those age verification laws are pretty much impossible to implement.
4 • KaOS (by Jyrki on 2026-03-09 04:59:02 GMT from Czechia)
For me they were always classed as systemd/KDE distro and therefore I have not looked for any updates from them. So it's a big surprise they are trying something different. But this made me curious. I have to keep an eye on them and give it a try
5 • TinyCore Wifi (by Antal on 2026-03-09 05:42:20 GMT from Hungary)
There *IS* wifi support in TinyCore Linux out of the box. As you can see there are 3 editions of TC: Core, TinyCore and CorePlus. The CorePlus edition is 276 MB (TC 17.0). This edition contains several WMs, but more importantly it loads a lot of firmware and wifi module and *HAS* wifi settings, which is available on the bottom bar.
6 • TinyCore Raspberry PI (by mtov on 2026-03-09 05:53:15 GMT from Germany)
https://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/doku.php?id=picore:welcome
http://repo.tinycorelinux.net/16.x/aarch64/ (no 17)
http://repo.tinycorelinux.net/16.x/armhf/ (no 17)
https://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/doku.php?id=picore:wifi:rpi3_wifi_aarch64_16
Not tested by me.
7 • tinycore packages (by We all float down on 2026-03-09 07:06:13 GMT from Netherlands)
@5 Yeah, the old chicken/egg problem, I always had to download usb-serial-$KERNEL.tcz modules outside, but it seems he already has a connection and can then use a keyword search for wifi or wireless and find plenty. OTOH I agree there's often no good reason to upgrade for a very long time, I still have version 12 on some machines, but also because sometimes upgrades drop packages or 32/64 begin to diverge for some reason.
8 • Dinit and other better init systems (by Hank on 2026-03-09 09:07:39 GMT from Germany)
Dinit, a modern easy to setup init, you get fast boot, stability and human readable logfiles
My system is prtesently booting lightning fast with S6 Rc, everything working fine, logfiles plain text
S6 another modern init, same advantages
My system antiX 26 rc 1.
ICEWM my preference.
Still some odd bugs being found but good for everyday usage.
SysV and Runit are also available, intent is exploring and debugging alternative modern
init alternatives to the monster systemd.
I find the experience very positive.
9 • KaOS 2026.02 devs not understanding KDE login in manager change announcement? (by Frank Lindemann on 2026-03-09 09:16:08 GMT from Germany)
It seems an interesting mis-read of the change to a new login manager by KDE.
Yes, the login manager PLM has a dependency for systemd, and that's that.
You can still use any old login manager to log in.
Soooo, let's wait and see where this ship is going, aaand I found another
distro to surf on the bleeding KDE edge: OpenSuse Slowroll:
https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Slowroll
Cheers
Frank
10 • "Age Verification" Irony (p1) (by Alice on 2026-03-09 09:21:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
Here we go again. Patterns. Context. Big Brother. Because "think of the children, think of the children."
How ironic, after the West's hysterical condemnatory tribal "othering" of China and its infamous Great-Firewall and Social-Credit infrastructure!
I'm sure I'm not the only British DistroWatch reader who's increasingly seeing, or rather _not_ seeing, geo-blocked content.
Conspicuously, since last year, web-forum and GitHub posts show lilac rectangles instead of the original images - because of Imgur-hosting and geo-blocking. And that's just one high-profile example.
Yes, some alternative routes and methods still work, _for_now_ - but the options are shrinking.
We definitely don't have critical-mass peer-to-peer Mesh networking anywhere, period.
It all bodes ill. Because, fundamentally, _we_ don't control the network channel hardware. Which renders us vulnerable to _them_, the gatekeepers and toll-extractors with for-profit and for-politics agendas. As illustrated in every recent protest-unrest scenario where the incumbents and their mates and jackboots simply switch network access off.
Even in "normal" times, the usual "get a VPN" bleat falls short if you're already an outsider to The System. There's a de-facto stranglehold on global banking and payments - and no, don't say "crypto" because.. well, because Reasons - so many, _many_ reasons. The core concept of crypto is fine, but the reality, no chance! Not least that nowadays "KYC" is an extension of that stranglehold. Never forget, there's a reason "livestock" - as in stocks+shares, living sentient beings, held for profit, held to be milked, fleeced and slaughtered - are forced to have tags and bar-codes and chips under the skin.
And don't forget, your use of VPNs is already in Their sights too, along with backdoorless Encryption too.
11 • "Age Verification" Irony (p2) (by Alice on 2026-03-09 09:24:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
Those of us with long memories haven't forgotten the era and battles which birthed the phrase "Net Neutrality" - an issue which, like Fascism, never actually went away, and is dangerously on the rise again. Twenty, thirty years on, it seems recent "rulings" by the monkeys playing their "courtroom" games once again threaten that precious internet ideal of Open-To-All-Equally. And surprise, surprise, it's the usual suspects. Be interesting to see the venn overlap with the fundamentalist-extremist rentiers of the so-called "IP" lobby who are threatening digital libraries.
Never forget: "the Law" is merely the codified demands and prohibitions of whichever tribe-du-jour has gotten hold of the local levers of Power.
Also: "the Law" is like a cobweb - it's there to catch you insects, you little people, but the big beasts stomp through unhindered (many on their way to kiddie-fiddling tycoon islands).
Free-range lives for the few. Chipped battery-lives for the many.
The dystopias really are materialising as we look on helpless.
It's not just the obvious hot Warfare to dominate territories and resources (cough, Oil again, cough), but also waging "Lawfare" to advance a particular hegemony benefitting a particular hierarchy.
Currently it's in the guise of "Verification."
The creep of demands and prohibitions. Because "think of the children, think of the children." An expedient Trojan Horse advancing the malign agendas of Big-Money/Big-State via the useful-idiot grass-roots naive do-gooders. Another thin end of another wedge. The tentacles being irreversibly inserted. An unholy alliance accelerating the metastasis toward terminal Stage-IV.
George Orwell truly was a visionary: firstly Animal Farm's searing depictions of human Types, followed by Nineteen Eighty-Four's dystopian masterpiece.
12 • age verification (by andrew on 2026-03-09 10:33:01 GMT from Canada)
Lots of people thought that the internet would be a place where they could escape the constant surveillance of society but as it turns out, is become the means for complete surveillance of everyone. Bitcoin is the same way because people thought they would be able to trade without being tracked. Pat, of course that is very stupid on its face since every transaction has a unique number associated with it. Of course! The excuse for implementing age verification is to protect the children and the initial effects seem to support that since so far the main effect has been to horse. Read it to keep kids out of the LGBT forums which is of course a good thing. Pat, it will be weaponized soon enough.
13 • Mass surveillance is now done open (by SuperOscar on 2026-03-09 11:00:27 GMT from Finland)
It certainly looks like the best-before date of free societies and basic human rights is now in the past. Of course we always knew the likes of NSA do mass surveillance, but now they are doing it openly. G’bye free speech.
14 • min OSes (by Sondar on 2026-03-09 11:13:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
EasyOS? Comes from Barry Kauler, one of the best coders. Small and beautiful (not sure about Barry on that second quality...!).
15 • KaOS and NuTyX (by ghost on 2026-03-09 11:37:17 GMT from Sweden)
I've curious about KaOS for a while, since it was announced in their forums they are looking to switch to dinit. As for NuTyX, they are going in the opposite direction and we (the ones which cannot imagine using systemd) just lost another of the very few options remaining. :(
16 • "Age Verification" Irony (p3) (by Alice on 2026-03-09 11:52:27 GMT from United Kingdom)
coda..
(delayed cos DW algorithms(?), IOW, "the computer says No")
There was an old adage, can't remember exact wording, something along the lines of:
"The Freedoms the grandparents fought and died for,
the Freedoms their complacent children ignored and forgot,
are the selfsame Freedoms the grandchildren lost completely
as they fell captured into Slavery once more."
Google's demanding dev-ID. keepandroidopen org.
Third-party servers in multiple jurisdictions doing the supposedly anonymous Face Verification.
No ta!
The only safe Data is the data that was never captured in the first place.
More than ever, the good-guys resisting The Great Ensh`ttification and its pathological regimes _need_ private anonymous access to net resources and to each other.
The oncoming tsunami of "verification" changes everything. Add AI. It's over. Stage-IV indeed.
We oldies saw the Internet's best years - untracked, private, anonymous. A universal shared resource.
A high-point in Human evolution.
Ironic that, for oldies, refusal to "Age Verify" will be what finally kills it
.
17 • Age verification / minimalist OSes (by Keith S on 2026-03-09 12:10:12 GMT from United States)
The new push for age verification is just another path to try to get everyone to upload a photo ID so your username(s) are linked to you personally. Once that is accomplished, the government will implement licensing in order to be allowed to use the internet, which of course means there will be regulations around acceptable use thereof. This will result in even more safety for children, naturally.
@10 Sorry, but yes, I have blocked Britain and the rest of the EU from my website. I don't want OFCOM to attempt to fine me for wrongspeak. I have blocked quite a few other regions as well but mostly for reasons other than attempting to control what I say.
On a separate topic, tinycore sounds very interesting. And I agree with @15, Barry Kauler is a great maker of OSes. I have enjoyed using Puppy and EasyOS off and on over the years. And here is where I make my usual plug for OpenBSD, this time as a truly minimalist OS, though it is not usually marketed that way. The base has everything you need and nothing you don't, which in my mind is the definition of minimalist. And you can add to your list of kernels other than Linux that you use.
18 • Tiny Core Linux on ARM architectures (by minimalinux on 2026-03-09 12:40:58 GMT from France)
Tiny Core Linux ARM ports are available at http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ports.html
19 • Age verification (by JKL on 2026-03-09 12:59:04 GMT from United States)
People say what they want. But honestly, I am glad that the age verification requirements isn’t anything worse than that. You just need to say your age. You don’t have to put your ID on your computer. Of course, the main concern is apps abusing the system to farm data for advertising, but for those who don’t like it can randomize their age or whatever.
Plus if it saves us the trouble of uploading your ID everywhere (let’s not care about the easy of getting around it), then I would welcome it. Just need to “prompt” for age and have an API for it.
The only issue I can think of currently (there’s probably several) is that app makers abuse it. If there is a permission system (like macos prompting “allow app to access your age”), then it wouldn’t be as bad.
Think of this as a convenient tool to say your age without being asked on every platform (of course then you need containers or multiple users if you have different aliases online).
Just blame Zuck for passing the blame from social media platform to OS.
20 • Tiny Core (by Jesse on 2026-03-09 13:17:14 GMT from Canada)
@18: "Tiny Core Linux ARM ports are available at..."
As I pointed out in the review and someone else already pointed out in the comments, those ARM ports are all old and for past versions. There don't appear to be any ARM builds for version 17.
21 • Age verification (by grraf on 2026-03-09 13:46:06 GMT from Romania)
@19 you suffer from terminal stage self delusion if you think they will stop at that(a trust me bro age verification promt) that is only going to remain that way until that law sees mass enforcement, shortly afterwards it will get silently updated to mandate IDs & facial scans... take a f'in look at UK, it all started innocent enough now they can't even freely access wikipedia & get thrown in jail for posting 'hate speech'(broad umbrella term to jail anyone openly criticizing govt legislation&immigration policies).
22 • Age filtering for OS installs (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-03-09 14:10:24 GMT from United States)
I admit to being flabbergasted at seeing this development, and that it is gaining popularity with political regions, AND that it is being complied with by Linux distros (or at least being dealt with.. "explored" etc).
I have not yet looked at any of the cited forums where it's being discussed, and have only read several of the comments about it here at DW. So... I'm still reacting basically emotionally about this rather than with much of a factual nature. I am appalled, at the moment, that there are LAWS being passed saying, if I understand it somewhere near correctness, a person's personal information must be by LAW considered or at least known by the state when that person wishes to use a computer?
23 • @22 Age verification (by GT on 2026-03-09 15:47:34 GMT from United States)
"if I understand it somewhere near correctness, a person's personal information must be by LAW considered or at least known by the state when that person wishes to use a computer?"
You do not understand it correctly. The state does not receive any information from the user. The API creates age bracket data that is read by applications. In the text of the bill it states:
"Age bracket data” means nonpersonally identifiable data derived from a user’s birth date or age for the purpose of sharing with developers of applications that indicates the user’s age range.
24 • Age verification (by JKL on 2026-03-09 16:11:14 GMT from United States)
@21. Criticize the statement, not the person. Admittedly, I said what I said without thinking about what happens outside the US, and that was insensitive. The only reason that this Cali law passed in the first place even if it seems easy to dupe is because Zuck was able to convince the lawmakers it’s not social media companies fault that children are harmed online (I wish parents take responsibility instead of blaming). So he said it’s the OS’s responsibility, which is a bit silly. But at the same time, I do not know the story across the pond and you would probably be right. However, in the US, since this policy is just a stopgap of passing blame. If they really wanted to do mass surveillance, they would be like China and require a citizen ID for every online account you use instead. So that’s why I don’t believe it wouldn’t get too far at least in the US. Besides the gov is good at mass surveying without those things anyways.
Regardless, the current law is okay if it makes things simpler than having to enter age anywhere. And, on Linux, there isn’t anything stopping you from uninstalling or lying about your age. I would be more worried about countries banning all OS’s for consumer devices but Windows, Android and Apple because those are the only ones they can make control you.
25 • Age Verification Bill (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-03-09 17:38:25 GMT from United States)
@24 Thank you for that information. Do you trust that the constraints cited in the text of the bill proposal will be fully adhere to by all of the states involved, so that there is no danger of the state actually harvesting the personal information for the state's own purposes?
26 • Some reservations (by We all float down on 2026-03-09 18:22:46 GMT from Netherlands)
Redox: kernel bugs and other hangs? How can this be, when you pass the ru$t compile stage, eventually, you should be safe...
OpenBSDM minimal? Too big for some thin clients, still running SliTaz/tinycore.
Tinycore. On the + side, you can avoid downloading, mounting and copying from a big iso. Just get directly what you want, kernel or rootfs or modules or packages. Wish more distros allowed this. Still has alternatives for Xorg. You can avoid the default flwm/fltk/wbar: just install Xfbdev/evilwm/aterm starting with tce from microcore. Oh, wait.
On the - side, no 64-bit evilwm, no /proc/config.gz, no binfmt_misc module, no usb-serial in modules.gz, later versions start to become slowly enshittified, 99% of the upgrades completely irrelevant.
ARM at version 16 probably good enough.
Think of the children. No, no, no, not those.
27 • KaOS (by zanwalk on 2026-03-09 18:29:52 GMT from United Kingdom)
I downloaded the KaOS iso and have booted it on two (older) laptops without any problems. The Noctalia desktop works fine on both.
28 • Age verification plans (by Albert on 2026-03-09 18:40:29 GMT from Sweden)
> Other countries and regions are planning to pass similar laws, making this a global issue rather than one specific to California.
Why the developers of a freely redistributable OS should be responsible for compliance with arbitrary laws and regulations in hundreds of jurisdictions across the world? This particular law is futile anyway, because the only viable approach to restrict technologically a child from access to age-inappropriate content online is to lock down his or her account, allowing access to whitelisted sites and applications only. Otherwise there is always Wikipedia which has a detailed article for every possible kind of sexual perversion. It is concerning that Canonical developers are readily jumping to discuss technical approaches to implementation of these silly requirements. It is sad that instead of regulating the reckless "AI" and satellite mega-constellation races, the legislators take the low hanging fruit in an effort to attract voices and/or distract their electorate and/or reduce freedom "because is too dangerous"...
29 • Tiny Core Linux (by Albert on 2026-03-09 18:56:12 GMT from Sweden)
The vertical window titles look really weird. Can the conventional placement be configured?
30 • @ 24 JKL: (by dragonmouth on 2026-03-09 19:08:27 GMT from United States)
It was none of Zuckś doing. Cali legislators and Gov. Newsome never met a surveillance method they did not like.
You are naive if you think Age Verification will not morph into users having provide not just their age and a photo ID but their life stories and genealogical tree for the last 5 generations with cross references, especially if this goes nation-wide. How would you like to have to register to activate your phone, both land line and cell phone?
It is people like you who don´t mind being spied on because ¨I have nothing to hide¨ who allow the government erode our Constitutional rights.
31 • @25 Age verification (by GT on 2026-03-09 19:40:15 GMT from United States)
"Do you trust that the constraints cited in the text of the bill proposal will be fully adhere to by all of the states involved, so that there is no danger of the state actually harvesting the personal information for the state's own purposes?"
I think this question was meant for me.
California laws only affect California. Other states do not adhere to California laws in general, including this one. There are no other states 'involved' with this bill, so I am not entirely sure what you mean. Whatever other states write in their bills is independent of this piece of legislation and would not affect California any more than California's law affects them, legally speaking. Practically speaking, it is likely that this API is implemented across the board rather than having separate releases for CA and non-CA users, but that is the decision of the organizations who will need to determine how to comply with it.
Given the bill does not require, nor even request, any mechanism for the age range data to be reported to the state, and it stipulates the OS must make the information nonpersonally identifiable, there is no harvesting of data occurring. The organizations releasing OSes are not going to write a data harvesting mechanism and send it to the state if the state isn't asking them to do it. Where would organizations even send the data if there is no agency being created to receive it?
32 • Age verification (by Gaston Lagaffe on 2026-03-09 19:56:24 GMT from Denmark)
It's our collective duty to fight this thing tooth and nail.
33 • Age verification bill text (by GT on 2026-03-09 19:59:15 GMT from United States)
Here is the bill's complete text. Better than asking for the opinions of anonymous people online who likely have not read it and are just throwing out personal assumptions about what it means and requires, I recommend reading it oneself. It isn't very long or difficult to understand.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043
Do I support this legislation? No. Like a lot people, I imagine, there are numerous pieces of legislation on the books where I live that I don't support, but the first step to dealing with it is understanding what it actually is, not what random internet people believe it is.
34 • Age Verification Bill and Discussion (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-03-09 21:33:43 GMT from United States)
@33 "Random" people are all of us and all of them, including those who wrote the bill in question. So, I feel fine discussing this and a lot of other things on this evil internet, especially in a forum or comments area wherein mostly quite intelligent and savvy people hang out.
As far as that bill's implications as to how far reaching its ideas could extend, we'd do well to remember a lot of things that have beginnings in a humble manner and forwarded by generally insignificant players who later had huge impacts on the world at large.
35 • Age?? (by Noddy from Aus. on 2026-03-09 22:04:58 GMT from Australia)
Age verification??
Gee I've been 3 for decades, even my mum knew when she was alive I was always 3.
Of age, my first computer was a brand spanking Atari 400, I think with 8MB ram and a tape cassette to save and start programs from. Programming in basic. No hand holding.
As far as AI goes, no thanks, I'll try to figure it out for myself.
As for the system d and sys vinit, well, all I want is something the works and is consistent over time.
That's my 1.5 cents worth
36 • @34 Age Bill Discussion (by GT on 2026-03-09 22:17:57 GMT from United States)
Personally speaking, i wouldn't consider the elected officials who authored the bill in a documented public process random people like I would anonymous Internet users whose names and credentials are unknown, and objectively speaking, any extension of the bill's ideas would have to come in the form of a new bill passed through the corresponding legislative process for those ideas to be actualized. The bill in its current form can't extend beyond what it is.
Consulting the source material is a better way to get answers about what the bill is and what it does than listening to others speculate about what it is and does. I don't think that is controversial to say. If one prefers to discuss their feelings about the bill rather than their knowledge of it, that's fine. I care more for people's knowledge than feelings, though, and I like there being a baseline of agreed upon facts when discussing these sorts of topics to keep things grounded, which is why I shared the bill's text.
37 • @33, @36 Age verification (by ShadowWatcher on 2026-03-09 22:49:27 GMT from Switzerland)
You know what incremental control means? "First we introduce this law, and once people accept it, we introduce the next one, until eventually they accept all of them." May be you should look up who implemented that way laws and policies.
One should nip it in the bud.
38 • @37 (by GT on 2026-03-09 23:59:08 GMT from United States)
The bill already passed and has become law. Given there wasn't enough political will to stop it beforehand when the legislative process played out in public, I don't expect there to be anything close to enough political will to immediately pass another law that repeals it after it was signed. What do you suggest be done to 'nip it in the bud'?
39 • California laws (by Keith S on 2026-03-10 00:11:20 GMT from Mexico)
@31 "California laws only affect California. Other states do not adhere to California laws in general, including this one."
In theory, sure. In practice, completely false. Look no further than how California emissions laws affected every car and truck sold in America. It's the same principle: no carmakers are going to make cars they can't sell in Cali, and no distros are going to ship ISOs that can't be downloaded there.
40 • @39 (by GT on 2026-03-10 00:27:28 GMT from United States)
I wouldn't say "completely false", but I agree with what you are saying. I thought of mentioning emissions standards as an analogy to the decisions software organizations will have to make to comply with this law, but figured it could be left for someone else to bring up. Kudos.
41 • Age verification (by Tikoy on 2026-03-10 07:03:47 GMT from United States)
Rather than my own words, I think this article speaks to the subject better than I would:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/computer-scientists-caution-against-internet-120010655.html
42 • @4` (by kc1di on 2026-03-10 11:17:23 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the link.
43 • @GT: (by dragonmouth on 2026-03-10 11:33:28 GMT from United States)
I am sure you have heard of ¨feature creep¨ in software. There also is ¨feature creep¨ in law(s). A law is passed with a narrow focus and then, over time, it is amended time and time again. Right now it is Age Verification to prevent minors from accessing ¨improper content.¨ (WHO defines ¨improper content¨?) Then more and more groups are barred from accessing ¨improper content¨, until the government blocks everybody from ¨misinformation¨ and ¨disinformation.¨
¨Given there wasn't enough political will to stop it beforehand ¨
Surely you jest! California is a one party state and it is THAT partyś Political Will that always prevails. The other partyś Political Will is never a consideration. Neither is the Political Will of the people ever considered UNLESS it serves the partyś goals.
44 • Thank You Jesse (by Geo. on 2026-03-10 11:47:59 GMT from Canada)
You keep it fun and interesting 🙂
45 • Buds to be nipped (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-03-10 13:44:42 GMT from United States)
@33 Thank you for the link to the bill's text. @41 Thank you for the link to the article about that.
Well, then it's in full flower in California. Isn't that nice. Will it begin creeping and morphing into more nefarious and far reaching controls over us? Will the random politicians who love this sort of thing prevail and take advantage of the majority of us? We've seen those things happen in so many ways that we're used to it, aren't we.
The energy that drives this sort of thing, and worse, is the same energy that drives legitimate, needed controls (driving and highway regulations, drug laws,etc). So, random people who look at it sort of peripherally as they go about their day allow it. How many more ways to we have to express this as a danger to actually stop it, and to remove the laws that are not needed for other than identity theft and worse?
46 • @ Age Verification (by Richard Cranium on 2026-03-10 14:43:43 GMT from United States)
Some laws, like speed limits, are RARELY enforced in terms of the number of people who violate them vs. the number of people who actually get caught. The concern, here, is that the government may try to fine those who produce the distributions. However, like speed limits, the government chooses to not limit the speed of cars (or penalize the manufactures of cars that can break speed limits). Infractions, such as these, are "criminal" in the US, vs. "Civil". Being how backed up California's legal system is, it is unlikely they are going to go after "hobbyists". Microsoft and Apple will comply, because there is a single point of business - but Linux is "everyone", in the US and across the globe. It's doubtful this law will have any bite in the Linux community.
47 • KaOS (by Taotog on 2026-03-10 17:25:38 GMT from United States)
I was playing with KaOS the other day and have to say I was very impressed with noctalia. Maybe I'm a sucker but it was very cute and quite functional. Not sure what gave you such trouble, worked on a ~2018 or 19 HP envy, and a ~2016 Fujitsu Lifebook. Haven't tested it on the trusty 2013 Lenovo yet though
48 • flwm window titles (by We all float down on 2026-03-10 20:04:34 GMT from Netherlands)
@29 there's a flwm_topside package to get normal titles.
49 • Thank You Jesse (seconded) (by greenjeans on 2026-03-10 22:23:27 GMT from United States)
Just chiming in to second that motion by Geo, really appreciate the work y'all do, it's mandatory reading for me to start my week. ;)
50 • @38 (by ShadowWatcher on 2026-03-10 22:45:44 GMT from Switzerland)
Resistance by searching for ways to overcome it? Participating in or supporting communities that promote liberty? Choosing distributions that show the willingness to stand against it? Asking at DEFCON or CCC for talks about these laws? Not promoting politicians who want to introduce such laws? ... just a few examples that are better than letting our shoulders droop. Swimming against the current may be risky and costs much more energy, but it allows you to explore new horizons.
51 • @ 43, Age verification "political will" (by Tikoy on 2026-03-11 01:22:46 GMT from United States)
"Surely you jest! California is a one party state and it is THAT partyś Political Will that always prevails. The other partyś Political Will is never a consideration. Neither is the Political Will of the people ever considered UNLESS it serves the partyś goals."
One should check facts before opining, lest one end up with foot in mouth. AB 1043 (the Digital Age Assurance Act) passed unanimously with "overwhelming bipartisan support. That's what is meant by "political will". As for public interest: I posted a link to a well-reasoned article from Reason.com, carried on the Yahoo! news-feed. Normally, a controversial Yahoo! article will elicit hundreds or, more likely, thousands of comments from readers. There was not a single comment. Not a one! Public interest, for or against, drives political will, for and against.
52 • One Repo to Rule Them All One Repo to Bind Them (by Carl on 2026-03-11 01:45:08 GMT from United States)
The QnA piece refutes "one giant repository ... to install extra packages..." with melodrama. GitHub already approximates the idea.
Any given package may have auto-builds for several CPUs, across .deb, .rpm, and generic Linux formats, sometimes with AppImage, and often a homebrew recipe or install script. I see these long lists of options all the time. Furthermore, for any one of them, you can pick a version, any version, by release tags.
There are bug/issue and PR filing methods for support/contribution. Other FOSS platforms (Codeberg et al) have like functionality. So we get long-term support while upstream devs stay interested. They maintain their projects far better than typical distros maintain downstream packages. We're just conditioned to want distro packages. Start thinking outside that box.
53 • Ai & other stuff (by time to get over it on 2026-03-11 05:51:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
The good old days of the Internet died with the first malware programs. Then both crims and govs found uses for that and it took off. Now it's systemd, AI, and Internet restrictions. Are you going to be grudging old grey beards for life? Tech marches forward, ppl change, some things improve, some get worse. Time to get over it, move on and look for better things.
54 • Linux is not ..... (by Woodstock69 on 2026-03-11 12:26:30 GMT from Australia)
Why are there so many linux distributions - Because Linux isn't windows or mac
Why can't there be just one distribution - Because Linux isn't windows or mac
Why isn't there one central "app store" - Because Linux isn't windows or mac
Why can't.... etc, etc - Because. We like Linux the way it is. Stop trying to make Linux where you were. Move on and advance yourself. Learn the Linux way. It's better.
Or stay in soviet russia where there was only one type of car. A very boring life.
55 • Age verification (by David on 2026-03-11 12:46:36 GMT from United Kingdom)
Slippery slope
56 • Age API (by Albert on 2026-03-11 18:21:54 GMT from Norway)
@37, @38 There are some good news regarding proposed amendments: https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=showheadline&story=20151
@48
Thanks!
57 • Age verification law pushback (by Keith S on 2026-03-11 22:20:55 GMT from United States)
@56 Yes, that is welcome. OTOH, in a somewhat mixed message, MidnightBSD has temporarily changed its license to prohibit downloads in places with age verification laws, but is also developing an age verification API.
https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=showheadline&story=20149
https://github.com/MidnightBSD/src/commit/529b708846e30e8eb4fcec8dfc23176ec6a74bcf
It is unsurprising that lawmakers have time for this sort of thing but when it is time to investigate actual known criminal activity against children it takes them forever. For example, ten years after Epstein's arrest, New Mexico is finally investigating the ranch where he brought many girls and high profile politicians.
58 • tinycore desktop at an unusual resolution (by We all float down on 2026-03-11 23:28:38 GMT from Netherlands)
That 41 MB iso probably has Xfbdev. Maybe try xrandr or vga=ask at boot, or use the 32-bit iso with Xvesa (maybe 915resolution as well), or just install Xorg.
Strange, I can't find out what's on the iso, I see it has become more bloated (32-bit is 25 MB), so maybe some new wayland problem.
59 • @55 Slippery slope slip sliding away (by Keith S on 2026-03-12 01:12:31 GMT from United States)
And then there's the "App Store Accountability Act" that would require that age verification be provided every time you want to download an app. "To protect the children of course.
"H. R. 3149
To safeguard children by providing parents with clear and accurate information about the apps downloaded and used by their children and to ensure proper parental consent is achieved, and for other purposes."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/3149/text
As one commenter notes, "The App Store Accountability Act would require app stores to verify the ages of every user and share age information with app developers. On paper, that sounds straightforward. In practice, it would force companies to collect massive amounts of sensitive personal data simply to download everyday apps...
"The practical result is obvious: app stores would be compelled to gather highly sensitive identity data on tens of millions of Americans and then distribute that information to countless third-party developers.
"This could be one of the largest digital identity honeypots ever conceived."
60 • KaOS (by dxrobertson on 2026-03-12 02:36:05 GMT from United States)
Noticed the KaOS release with Noctalia/Niri post on distrowatch. Sounded interesting, know nothing of this Noctalia and Niri. Downloaded the 2026.02 ISO and ran the live, did not install. The live booted and ran well without issues. Actually quite impressed with the interface; seemed polished, was able to perform basic desktop functions... Will be interesting to see what KaOS does with this as well their init choice.
61 • age verification (by Job314 on 2026-03-12 04:34:18 GMT from Australia)
If the Linux distros cave into this insanity then the only recourse left is to use a distro where you can choose what updates to install on your system. If only Linux had the power of choice. LOL.
So this is what you do:
- from this point henceforth, download a bunch of rolling distro ISO's, Arch, Artix, Gentoo etc
- install a rolling/semi distro from this point henceforth and stick to it; don't chop and change
- ignore any updates which relate to this age verification nonsense.
Seems simple enough.
62 • age verification (by Jake on 2026-03-12 09:37:29 GMT from United States)
freedesktop Closes Controversial Age Verification API Proposal
A proposed age verification interface for Linux desktops has been closed in the freedesktop XDG specs, following strong community feedback.
However, expectably, the proposal quickly drew criticism from developers and community members. Concerns included privacy implications, embedding jurisdiction-specific policies into the desktop infrastructure, and whether this functionality should be part of the freedesktop core namespace.
Some also argued that linking the specification to the freedesktop namespace could create reputational risks by associating a core desktop standard with politically sensitive regulations.
So, at the end, the author just closed the merge request and indicated that future work would take place within the portal infrastructure used by technologies such as Flatpak. However, the question remains open, as no clear statements have yet been made about how Linux and the open-source community will respond to this challenge.
https://linuxiac.com/xdg-age-verification-interface-proposal-closed/
63 • Age verification danger (by Wolverine on 2026-03-12 13:35:43 GMT from United States)
@19 You miss the point - asking the user their age at account sign up with no validation isn't the end game, it's a foot in the door. Start with something small that doesn't seem like that big of a hassle. Afterall, you can put in any birthdate you want, right? Then, they'll keep adding requirements little by little until next thing you know, you're going to have to verify your identity and get permission each time you log in. This is 100% a frog in a pot type scenario.
64 • Playstation 4 (by Flavianoep on 2026-03-12 20:22:45 GMT from Brazil)
I always install Linux on my computers, have tried *BSD in the past, but it was not for me. Now, I have OpenBSD in a PS 4.
65 • KaOS not Chaos (by r on 2026-03-12 22:48:31 GMT from Netherlands)
It is time to try KaOs now it offers dinit a truly modular and 100% independent init system.
On the other hand very sad for NuTyx which becomes phat and bloat and of course unsafe because of the binary logs systemD offers.
66 • age verification (by Jobe314 on 2026-03-13 03:01:20 GMT from Australia)
@62
it saddens me to see that some devs are eagerly rushing forward to try an enact age verification within Linux, with fervent vigor they can't wait to lockdown Linux and make it into some abhorrent spyware from the novel 1984.
Thankfully this time, intelligent heads prevailed and the merge request submitted to the XDG specifications maintained by freedesktop.org was closed.
As I stated, there are devs who are pushing so hard for this. It's a little sickening really to imagine how anti-freedom these people actually are.
However, sadly the issue has not disappeared and devs like the ones pushing for this new enforcement of age within Linux will continue to jump the shark and try to bring this abomination into existence. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I suppose these types of people exist everywhere, outraged at the freedoms people have in their lives; first in line to find ways to constrict our daily lives, not through force this time as what happened in the past, but through code.
This is doubleplusungood
Where is the Zion of the FOSS world? OpenBSD?
67 • Plan9Core: doubleplusgood (by We all float down on 2026-03-13 12:45:11 GMT from The Netherlands)
@66 Wait, how can you first describe theo "You get to adapt to what we produce" de raadt and then suggest OpenBSD? He certainly found ways to constrict my life through code.
I would rather try something new (=sufficiently old) like Plan 9 on top of TinyCore. Would have, but 9vx didn't ring a bell then. It was there all the time since version 6.
68 • Life constricted through code (by Huckleberry Hiroshima on 2026-03-13 13:26:19 GMT from United States)
@67 Theo de Raadt is at odds with some Linux devs about the non-free driver thing, and those pesky NDAs. He also likes to express his reasoning publicly. I admire him a great deal (along with many Linux developers who he may or may not admire so much), and I doubt very much if he's any different than any other open source advocate as to the "adapt to what we produce" expressed notion. That's the world. That's air. What's out there is what we adapt to and flourish within if we have the energy anywhere near what they have, along with their education/knowledge.
When I see sentiments like what (I think) seems to be embedded in what you're expressing there I keep waiting for that particular speaker's own distro or BSD project.
69 • That's the point (by Steampenguin on 2026-03-13 18:42:18 GMT from Hungary)
@54, Woodstock69, you have the point! Totally agree.
70 • age verification (by Jobe314 on 2026-03-13 22:50:38 GMT from Australia)
@67
See, the difference is i care about the software which is OpenBSD in terms of security and robustness which is necessary now in this surveillance age.
I do not care about Theo de Raadt. Even though he created OpenBSD I do not care what he has to say, I don't care about his political views or what he ate for breakfast and I have no idea nor interest to know what "You get to adapt to what we produce" means.
All i care about is the software; OpenBSD. That's all.
Now, if TinyCore can be adapted and modified into something greater than what it is now, fantastic. I'm all for it.
My point was merely to say that with some Linux devs eagerly wanting to take part in opporessing people through for example submitting age verification to Freedesktop etc, things like this which restrict freedom, there needs to be some alternative. If it is not in Linux, then where? And i suggested perhaps the answer is with OpenBSD.
If however OpenBSD follows this age verification insanity, then where can we go to for FOSS OS? What options are left for people who don't want to take part in this nonsense?
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