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1 • Xfce 4.20 (by Kek on 2025-02-17 06:31:05 GMT from United States)
> Switching from Xfce 4.18 to 4.20 seemed to plump them up.
NGL, I'm down with the thickness.
It's nice to see updates for Xfce. Can't wait to check it out.
2 • XFCE 4.20 + wmtile 1.0.1 (by Carlo Alessandro Verre on 2025-02-17 08:47:34 GMT from Italy)
A better alternative to XFCE 4.20 is XFCE 4.20 plus wmtile, on Debian & sons you can install it by:
$ sudo apt install pipx wmctrl xdotool
$ pipx install wmtile
$ pipx ensurepath
close terminal, open another
$ wmtile -L
and for further details see the wmtile User Manual by:
$ wmtile -H
3 • MXLinux (by Kruger on 2025-02-17 09:26:59 GMT from Australia)
Way too many applications installed on MXLinux. Why is there no minimal? I don't want 200 apps which i can't uninstall without breaking dependencies.
4 • Asahi Linux Project Leader (by anamezon on 2025-02-17 09:35:52 GMT from Finland)
DW, there is much more to the quitting of Asahi Linux project leader besides the few reasons mentioned in your news section post, and it has to do with Rust 4 Linux ... a link to start getting informed https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/13/ashai_linux_head_quits/
5 • OBS Studio / Fedora managed flatpack - security threat or theatre? (by Dob on 2025-02-17 09:45:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Fedora’s policies for sharing flatpack code / dependencies down stream may have necessitated some tweaking.
The only question is…
were the apparently borked changes made in the best security interests of computer systems
- or perhaps to address a higher priority (greater good)
I.e, for the surveillance and interception needs of governments / society.
While nobody here wants back door vulnerabilities (stealth access) to their computer systems
- most people expect and accept some degree of safeguards for minimising the social impact of harmful content generation / broadcasting
Be it disinformation propaganda or sadistic content or predatory in nature.
6 • Questions (by thim on 2025-02-17 10:39:06 GMT from Greece)
I think that xfce 4.20 has some minor but noticeable improvements over it' s predecessor. Overall, xfce remains a sane option for a desktop environment, at least if you vslue predictability and stability. Does not make controversial and disrupting changes. Does not releases every 1, 2 or 3 months.
@5, you can try antix base or antix coreor antix net
@2, so why do we read distrowatch at first place? Let us ask AI to review Rhino or any distro
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7 • XFCE 4.10 (by dragonmouth on 2025-02-17 11:43:28 GMT from United States)
Have not tried it and will not.
8 • @2, What year is it? (by TheTeacher) @5, MXLinux (by Tumbleweeds on 2025-02-17 11:53:48 GMT from United States)
@2, "Go ask ChatGPT, Gemini, perplexity.ai or whatever" I'm an old fossil who likes those AI whatchamacallits. Before that, I used search engines, but the chat thingies are better, and so nice and polite. I haven't asked a question in a forum of DW-like website in ages. But, that's not because asking questions in such places is not a good and valid way of getting answers. It's simple: I figure that if I have problem or question, someone has had the same problem or question before, and answers will be out there. This is true almost every time. (A few times I just resolved it on my own.)
You have the wrong idea about the AI chat tools. They don't create answers. They find them just like I do, only they are much more efficient and faster. They are internet crawlers with complex learning algorithms and huge, expanding databases. If no one has asked the question and no NI (natural intelligence) has answered it, the AI will have nothing to show.
Then there's GIGO. If someone in a forum gives bad info, it's very likely someone else will point it out. But it your AI get it's information from a garbage source, you will be swallowing garbage unless you check it out somewhere else. Which is why I always double-check.
9 • Asahi Linux leadership change (by Jesse on 2025-02-17 11:57:44 GMT from Canada)
@4: "DW, there is much more to the quitting of Asahi Linux project leader besides the few reasons mentioned in your news section post, and it has to do with Rust 4 Linux ... a link to start getting informed..."
Instead of linking to an article in the Register in our News post, I linked directly to the blog post from the developer stepping down which explains it without outside commentary. We like to link to original sources whenever possible.
10 • MX Linux (by moulder on 2025-02-17 14:10:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
A couple of people have said "@5" to what I'm guessing was supposed to be @3 regarding the MX Linux comment.
Anyway, @3.
How about getting a community respin of MX and making it your own instead?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-linux/files/Community_Respins/
I installed both minimal and cli respins recently. The minimal has 1295 packages(not very minimal in my opinion) and the core has 303(no desktop, xorg etc).
Personally, after a lot of years of distrohopping, I find building up from cli/minimal much better than stripping down something bloated and risking breaking dependencies.
11 • Xfce 4.10 (by Barnabyh on 2025-02-17 15:56:27 GMT from South Africa)
I would not try XFce 4.10 either, it's obsolete -:).
12 • wayland... (by kokomiko on 2025-02-17 19:35:59 GMT from Germany)
Fifteen years of development, and Wayland still isn't as good as X11.
13 • @3 MX (by grindstone on 2025-02-17 20:18:59 GMT from United States)
If it's performance you seek (and not package count alone), antiX is the light co-project with MX and there are several "weights". If you poke-around on the antix forum, you will find that work has been conducted to run xfce 4.20 on antiX. As always, if thin-thin is what you want, something has to give. DSL is thin-thin or you could start from the -core antiX and make your own.
14 • @12 Not only that, but... (by grindstone on 2025-02-17 20:22:44 GMT from United States)
...diverting resources from maintaining X has left both bumpy rides. Figured it would take a while, but... It's increasingly impossible to run older machines (shout out to the TC people keeping tinyX limping along!)
15 • MX Linux (by J. Bonsey on 2025-02-17 20:25:26 GMT from United States)
I love MX Linux. Lots of apps installed and some cool tools. Seems to work with just about any hardware, particularly the MX Fluxbox edition. Keep -Up the awesome work MX Linux team!
16 • Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases (by rhtoras on 2025-02-17 23:26:37 GMT from Greece)
This list has some very nice and niche projects to check.
MidnightBSD 3.2.2 is a nice fork of free bsd whic i watch closely
openmamba GNU/Linux 20250212 unfortunatelly has systemD otherwise i would look at it closely
Linux From Scratch 12.3-rc1 i like the idea, i have to try, fatdog64 based on it is nice
Alpine Linux 3.21.3, 3.20.6, 3.19.7, 3.18.12 I like how it works, musl, openrc and kiss principles
FreeBSD 13.5-BETA2 (Announcement) i still prefer openbsd but freebsd works too and is quite similar
Calculate Linux 20250215 gentoo for the new user... nice project based on Russia
Venom Linux 20250216 i like this distro which is source based... scratch is a nice package manager also i would love to see runit back again )
although sysV init works too) btw it's creator made Alice linux, so go check it
Refracta 12.2 is a great project based on Devuan with great tools... this is what i suggest to new users and i hope for a new review... btw nodbus iso is the only one available these days ootb
17 • @10 MXLinux (by Kruger on 2025-02-17 23:40:12 GMT from Australia)
How do you trust a community spin which is not officially affiliated by MX?
Who knows if there are any backdoors in these spins. There isn't even any sourcecode or Git repo.
Fedora spins are officially associated with Fedora.
Manjaro has spins associated with Manjaro.
Antix suffers from the same overloaded apps as MXLinux. Sure, it is smaller, but i don't need 4 ugly and outdated horrible windows managers. Antix-core requires too much command line shennanigans to get going.
All the major distros imo, should release a minimal version which a person can build on, not just a fully loaded distro with apps you don't want.
In the end i went with Debian 12, Gnome, gutted it and now have it running at 580Mb ram on boot without any Gnome software except the shell, session terminal and disk utility + the apps i want on it.
18 • XFCE4 (by Devlin7 on 2025-02-18 03:10:30 GMT from New Zealand)
The great thing about Linux is there is choice. I don't use XFCE, I am surprised that it is one of the standard desktop options for so many distros, I have tried it in so many distros over the years and it doesn't tick the boxes for me. I get why people use it, it is stable, lighter than most other desktop enviroments and is still being updated. Most distros offer Desktop environments in some vanilla form and often it doesn't reveal the desktop environments full potential to the user at first glance. It is important that you try and find what works for you.
19 • @17 MX minimalist spins (by Andy Prough on 2025-02-18 05:18:57 GMT from United States)
@17 - >"How do you trust a community spin which is not officially affiliated by MX?"
>"Who knows if there are any backdoors in these spins. There isn't even any sourcecode or Git repo."
I'm pretty sure the spins you are referring to are created by one of the MX lead developers. If you need to see the source to be assured there are no backdoors I'm sure you could reach out to that lead developer on the MX forum. If you had a support question, I'm pretty sure you could get developer support on the forum. I would imagine they are called community spins because the MX devs probably want the average user to use their robust versions, of which there are many, and for mostly advanced users to use the minimalist respins. Of note, MX already officially supports a minimal Fluxbox version, so you do have official minimalist options already.
I haven't personally tried MX in a few years and focus my time on Trisquel GNU/Linux, but your questions are pretty basic and have even been written about here on Distrowatch to some extent, so this is not esoteric knowledge. The MX team seems quite open and accessible, I think you would find their forum to be a welcoming place for any inquiries.
20 • Xfce (by honest joe on 2025-02-18 06:57:11 GMT from United States)
Xfce is good to use whatever version. it's not too minimal, or too bloated -.just an honest straight talker of a DE.
21 • Backdoors / Source Code (by Dob on 2025-02-18 11:46:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
@17 @19.
With such a large code base requiring audit,
Short of building an os from source.
No individual stands a chance. Best you can hope for is a checksum match to packaged distribution.
The harsh reality:
The most perverse threats are hiding in plain sight as everyday services.
Citizens have been diminished to the status of subjects,
- conditioned to be willing accomplices in the oppressive surveillance of themselves and others.
It would have been unthinkable to submit a single fingerprint to access an important service in the 1990s.
Today people often wear a gps tracker about their person,
Drive a vehicle monitoring their overly manoeuvre.
while making a phone call requiring submittion to a biometric check (potentially a face map and or recorded voice print) - often stored or processed overseas / beyond legal jurisdiction and regulatory oversight.
22 • @ 17 MX Linux (by moulder on 2025-02-18 12:30:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
Regarding trustworthiness and backdoors, pretty much what @19 an @21 said.
I'd still rather use any version of Linux over anything from Microsoft or Apple.
23 • Linux Market Share (by penguinx86 on 2025-02-18 12:54:31 GMT from United States)
According to Statcounter, Linux market share reached an all time high of 4% this month:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/linux-continues-growing-market-share-reaches-4-of-desktops/
24 • Xfce (by David on 2025-02-18 16:57:23 GMT from United Kingdom)
I remember an Xfce developer, many years ago, saying that their aim as "to just do the job, without getting under your feet or in your face". And that's why the oldest Linux desktop is still here. When PCLinuxOS upgraded to version 4.20 I held my breath, but then released it in a happy sigh — normal service was still there!
25 • AntiX rather than MX (by Happy_Phantom on 2025-02-18 18:54:10 GMT from United States)
I'm more interesting what's happening with AntiX than MX Linux. I've seen some rumors that some users have gotten the LXDE desktop environment (at least) working without systemd or elogind. Not that any of the included window managers aren't just fine the way they are, but if they have at least one desktop environment working without those two controversial components, that would be a milestone.
I've seen claims that some flavor of PCLinuxOS is working without systemd and elogind, but I haven't tried that one yet.
26 • often polls on new tech... (by Pete N. on 2025-02-18 19:29:01 GMT from New Zealand)
All to often "polls" on new tech, like this week the release of Xfce 4.20, are immediately after the devs release it. You have to wait until several distros roll it out, and people other than the bleeding edge specialists can form an opinion. It is very much like when you order an item online and 3 minutes later arrives a survey in your email asking to rate the product. I think I have one system with Xfce and I don't recall seeing 4.20 in in the updates yet.
27 • @25 - Desktop environments without systemd, elogind on antiX (by Andy Prough on 2025-02-18 19:43:31 GMT from Switzerland)
@25 >" I've seen some rumors that some users have gotten the LXDE desktop environment (at least) working without systemd or elogind."
Here's what the lead developer for antiX said in comment #55 in last week's Distrowatch Weekly:
>"You are behind with the times - antiX-23 is now able to provide the following desktop-environments without any trace of systemd/elogind"
>"Xfce, LXDE, LXQT, MATE and Cinnamon"
So, lots of desktop options without systemd or elogind on antiX.
28 • XFCE (by Gilb on 2025-02-18 22:07:47 GMT from Germany)
I like XFCE because it's light, reliable and stable: no surprises, but steady advancement. I'm running version 4.20 on Manjaro and I'm completely satisfied; same thing on Mint.
29 • @12: Wayland compared to X11 ? @8: Creativity of AI. (by Greg Zeng on 2025-02-19 00:32:55 GMT from Australia)
Wayland compared to X11.
Could someone explain what is wrong with either system? At the extreme edges of hardware & software, we should expect some differences. But most users, most times, are happy?
For example, using my seven-inch notebook (One Mix 3 Pro) links to my 32-inch monitor, wired and wirelessly? But not into gaming, nor instant timings, and color accuracy.
@8: Creativity of AI.
There are now comparisons on the newest AI engines. The very latest has creativity & prediction. The voice & user sensitivity are becoming better adjusted, daily. Each day, the testers are showing the results of these comparative tests. It is no longer GIGO.
YouTube: "xAI’s Mind Blowing Grok 3 Demo w/Elon Musk & Team (full replay)" 42:10
"Testing Grok 3 on Physics and Math and Comparing with Other Models (o1/o3, DeepSeek-R1, etc)" 2:33:37
Some Distrowatch users here might ask the engines to explain the differences between Linux display managers. Then try to predict when X11 will stop being used.
30 • @29, Creativity of AI. (by Tumbleweeds on 2025-02-19 01:49:35 GMT from United States)
@29, "The very latest has creativity & prediction. . . It is no longer GIGO." I don't think you have any idea what GIGO means. The original post (since deleted) was about searching for facts. You don't get creative with facts (unless you're into 'alternative facts). What you need is a comprehensive database and the ability to verify your sources. Chinese young people are using DeepSeek for therapy, claiming it's very good and a lot cheaper that human therapists. If you need therapy, go for it. But if you are looking for facts, verify your results no matter what super-creative AI you use.
31 • @4 Asahi / Rust for Linux ; Xfce / MX Linux and antiX / Wayland vs X (by Keith S. on 2025-02-19 02:59:44 GMT from United States)
@4 So the Rust for Linux crowd has failed to push their way into the kernel with their hobby language ("Memory safety is everything when you don't know how to code!") and now they're quitting? Good news indeed.
The rest: I've been using MX Linux as my daily driver for about four years and obviously like it a lot. Recently I had to reinstall to 23.x since 19.x was EOL. It was rough because the network manager was unstable until 23.5, but now seems fixed. Xfce is my preferred desktop, and I haven't really noticed much difference with 4.20.
Because of the buggy behavior with earlier 23.x versions of MX, I have also recently revisited a number of distros for the first time in four years. AntiX is very good, light, quick, and usable. It is unfortunate that they wear their politics on their sleeve, but that's my only complaint.
I dislike that MX Linux is preparing to move to Wayland, though thankfully they promise to keep systemd, elogind, and the rest out. I agree that Wayland is an unfortunate use of resources that would have been better used to improve X. Fifteen years and still not as good as X should be the end of the argument, but it is open source after all so I know that's basically impossible.
32 • MX Linux bloat (by Keith S. on 2025-02-19 03:08:13 GMT from United States)
I don't notice much bloat on MX Linux but I'm not running it on any hardware more than five years old. Bloat on OpenSUSE bothered me a lot some years back, but I recently tried it again and was pleasantly surprised by how they have changed the installer so you can limit somewhat the default packages included.
Also, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (and other distros' rolling releases) make me wish that MX Linux would create a rolling release offering, since upgrading every two or four years is so painful and really my only serious complaint about MX. That would likely take more resources than they have available though, so it is not a deal-killer, especially since they have continued to fight the good fight against systemd.
33 • @31 MX and init (by MX and antiX fan on 2025-02-19 08:27:27 GMT from Australia)
I see on the latest MX blog that they are considering whether they should make two ISOs of MX25 due to changes in systemd possibly affecting their shim which allows both SysV and systemd on the same ISO. Personally I've never booted using systemd - the SysV version is fine for my needs - but appreciate they present this choice.
I also use antiX, I think between these two communities they do everything possible to make desktop computing pleasant for the user and I don't know where we'd be without them.
Thank you to @anticapitalista and @dolphin_oracle (who both comment here from time to time) and everyone else involved in a pair of truly great distros.
And I agree with @anticapitalista last week - another review of antiX is well overdue.
34 • @28: correction (by Gilb on 2025-02-19 09:34:59 GMT from Germany)
I wanted to say "…, same thing on MX Linux." as Mint Xia XFCE is still running 4.18 (and doing so very well). Sorry for the error.
35 • Year of the Linux Desktop? (by penguinx86 on 2025-02-19 15:34:02 GMT from United States)
2024. was supposed to be The Year of the Linux Desktop, but nope. According to Yahoo, 2025 won't be either. But Linux is increasing in desktop market share, up to a record high of 4%. One thing holding back Linux is non tech savy users, like my parents. They can barely use a Windows PC or even a Smartphone. It will be interesting to see if Linux increases in market share in October, when support ends for Windows 10.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/2025-wont-linux-desktop-either-211514709.html
36 • @4, Rust developer leaving (by Critter on 2025-02-19 15:55:12 GMT from United States)
@4 Here's my thoughts. a bunch of whining crybabies are mad because the person who started the project and maintains the end control of the kernel, told them that their patches need to be in the original language so they can parse it and see what the code is doing. Plus, apparently there is a serious lack of Rust documentation (it occurs to me, that Rust has been heavily pushed by MS...wonder why??). So, the Rust devs get their feelings hurt after they push Torvalds and don't win, and get snapped at ("Hey, man, words HURT!!", and take their marbles and go home.
Rust might be a better language, or it might be more secure, I don't know. But it doesn't matter. THE HEAD OF THE LINUX KERNEL CALLS THE SHOTS. If they think he's an old fuddy-duddy, that's fine. It's irrelevant. Linux calls what goes into the kernel. What they SHOULD do, I think, is fork the project completely. If they want a Rust-based linux, then they can scratch their own itch and MAKE ONE.
37 • Year of Linux (by Friar Tux on 2025-02-19 16:08:08 GMT from Canada)
@35 (penguinx86) I don't think there will ever be a "year of the Linux desktop". Mainly because of the non-techie users, of which I am one. I hated Windows 10 so I switched to Linux Mint. Fortunately, I had played with Linux off and on and Mint was the best with the least amount of issues. I AM, however, one of these people that just wants to get my work done and not have to bother with the innards of the system. (That's why Windows works so well for most.) Mint is pre-configured to just work. I have never had to mess with it for any "lost time" issues. It just works, just like Windows, but without the intrusive ads and hour-long updates when it's most inconvenient. While I don't believe there will ever be a "year of the Linux desktop", I do believe Linux will slowly "seep" into more prominent use over the years. Especially if/when developers realize that non-technical uses far outnumber techies. I drive a car, but have no idea how the various parts work. I use small appliances at home, but cannot repair any of them. I don't even know how to repair the shoes I wear. And the same is true for my laptop - I have no clue. THAT is why Windows and Apple have a high user base, they cater to non-techies. If you really want to increase usage, cater to the non-techies out there.
38 • @37 YOTLD (by Critter on 2025-02-19 16:35:10 GMT from United States)
I agree with you, but maybe not exactly for the same reasons. This Year of the Linux Desktop thing was our rallying cry 25 years ago, when we were fighting MS for survival. Ballimer was threatening and screaming, SCO was smack-dab getting into legal trouble, linux was just coming into it's own on the dekstop, and MS was making one misstep after another. Many of us kind of felt that if we DIDN'T win the corporate and desktop space, the project would fizzle. The war cry kind of died out after Windows 7 came out and the corporate uncertainty went away, and at the same time, Torvalds said that he wasn't interested in what space the project won in, or anything about the desktop. MS "won" what a lot of people considered to be "the war".
But then something unexpectedly pleasant happened - we realized that it wasn't a race.
Time has proven that it's like me watching my children fighting over who is growing taller faster, and me being a grownup and knowing that it doesn't matter, in a few years, they will be fully grown. It's not a race. And the same with the linux project - we realized over time, that there's no achievable "goal" - the goalposts keep moving all the time.
But now, with Windows 11 being kind of a cluster with them killing off Windows 10 support, and so many getting caught up in that battle, it seems like the next generation is doing exactly what WE did when MS did the same thing - the rallying cry of "THIS WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!!!", all over again. And it will be the same result - they will eventually figure out that it STILL isn't a race.
39 • Wayland or X11? (by Aronne on 2025-02-19 19:08:39 GMT from Italy)
@12
Even for me (Devuan 5.0.1) Wayland creates problems with KDE Plasma. So much so that I switched back to X11.
40 • The Rust Diatribe (by Brian on 2025-02-19 19:41:23 GMT from France)
@4 Challenged by Danilo Krummrich, a Red Hat software engineer involved in the Rust for Linux project, Hellwig makes clear that he's just not keen to deal with Rust code: "Don't force me to deal with your shiny language of the day. Maintaining multi-language projects is a pain I have no interest in dealing with. If you want to use something that's not C, be that assembly or Rust, you write to C interfaces and deal with the impedance mismatch yourself as far as I'm concerned." And I agree with him.
41 • 39 • Wayland or X11? (by Wally on 2025-02-19 22:58:06 GMT from Australia)
"(Devuan 5.0.1) Wayland creates problems with KDE Plasma." Devuan/Debian stable is still on Plasma 5. KDE was not working properly with Wayland until version 6. I'm running Plasma 6.2.5. Runs fine on Wayland or X11, and I don't see any difference.
42 • Year of the Linux Desktop, again? Really? (by Wally on 2025-02-19 23:12:01 GMT from Australia)
@35, @37- There will be a Year of Linux when the major PC manufacturers have it preinstalled as default, which will be never. Nothing to do with geeks vs non-techies. It's all about monetizing of the OS and/or apps. For making money there's the MS way, the Google way and the Apple way. There is no Linux way.
43 • Tails usb through Rufus (by Jan on 2025-02-20 01:14:48 GMT from The Netherlands)
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=showheadline&story=19948
So if you want to have an emergency-OS-USB-stick, you now are advised to use Rufus, so you need a MS-Windows-PC !!
44 • @43 • Tails usb through Rufus (by Wally on 2025-02-20 03:00:35 GMT from Australia)
"We replaced balenaEtcher with Rufus in our installation instructions for Windows" So you need a "MS-WIndow-PC" to copy Tails to a USB stick if you're running Windows. What a surprise!
45 • @26 (by Simon on 2025-02-21 06:07:39 GMT from New Zealand)
So just click "haven't tried it" like most people did. Yes, more people will have opinions for or against after it's had time to trickle down to stable distros... but it's just been released, so this is the time of greatest interest in what it has to offer. Plenty of people have been testing it already prior to release, and now that the official release is available, many others have installed it, either from their own packages or as a preview from their distro's bleeding-edge variant (or from an independent repo or whatever). People like yourself who tend to wait for packages to arrive in standard distro releases may be curious about the experience of early adopters, and might even decide to give it an early go themselves if a poll like this shows a great majority of users prefer the new version.
I'm in that camp myself: seeing that a majority of the hundreds of people who've tried it aren't particularly impressed makes me happy to wait, like you, for it to trickle down via updates. If the people who'd tried it had been more enthusiastic I might have given it a go myself: there are a few things in the release notes that look good to me, but now I'm happy to wait.
46 • xfce and systemd (by Dave on 2025-02-21 23:00:44 GMT from Australia)
Just saw a few comments regarding xfce and lxqt without systemd. I'm not sure about specific versions, but I believe these are running on Artix - the systemd free version os Arch
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| • Issue 1113 (2025-03-17): MocaccinoOS 1.8.1, how to contribute to open source, Murena extends on-line installer, Garuda tests COSMIC edition, Ubuntu to replace coreutils with Rust alternatives, Chimera Linux drops RISC-V builds |
| • Issue 1112 (2025-03-10): Solus 4.7, distros which work with Secure Boot, UBports publishes bug fix, postmarketOS considers a new name, Debian running on Android |
| • Issue 1111 (2025-03-03): Orbitiny 0.01, the effect of Ubuntu Core Desktop, Gentoo offers disk images, elementary OS invites feature ideas, FreeBSD starts PinePhone Pro port, Mint warns of upcoming Firefox issue |
| • Issue 1110 (2025-02-24): iodeOS 6.0, learning to program, Arch retiring old repositories, openSUSE makes progress on reproducible builds, Fedora is getting more serious about open hardware, Tails changes its install instructions to offer better privacy, Murena's de-Googled tablet goes on sale |
| • Issue 1109 (2025-02-17): Rhino Linux 2025.1, MX Linux 23.5 with Xfce 4.20, replacing X.Org tools with Wayland tools, GhostBSD moving its base to FreeBSD -RELEASE, Redox stabilizes its ABI, UBports testing 24.04, Asahi changing its leadership, OBS in dispute with Fedora |
| • Issue 1108 (2025-02-10): Serpent OS 0.24.6, Aurora, sharing swap between distros, Peppermint tries Void base, GTK removinglegacy technologies, Red Hat plans more AI tools for Fedora, TrueNAS merges its editions |
| • Issue 1107 (2025-02-03): siduction 2024.1.0, timing tasks, Lomiri ported to postmarketOS, Alpine joins Open Collective, a new desktop for Linux called Orbitiny |
| • Issue 1106 (2025-01-27): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta 6, Pop!_OS 24.04 Alpha 5, detecting whether a process is inside a virtual machine, drawing graphics to NetBSD terminal, Nix ported to FreeBSD, GhostBSD hosting desktop conference |
| • Issue 1105 (2025-01-20): CentOS 10 Stream, old Flatpak bundles in software centres, Haiku ports Iceweasel, Oracle shows off debugging tools, rsync vulnerability patched |
| • Issue 1104 (2025-01-13): DAT Linux 2.0, Silly things to do with a minimal computer, Budgie prepares Wayland only releases, SteamOS coming to third-party devices, Murena upgrades its base |
| • Issue 1103 (2025-01-06): elementary OS 8.0, filtering ads with Pi-hole, Debian testing its installer, Pop!_OS faces delays, Ubuntu Studio upgrades not working, Absolute discontinued |
| • Issue 1102 (2024-12-23): Best distros of 2024, changing a process name, Fedora to expand Btrfs support and releases Asahi Remix 41, openSUSE patches out security sandbox and donations from Bottles while ending support for Leap 15.5 |
| • Issue 1101 (2024-12-16): GhostBSD 24.10.1, sending attachments from the command line, openSUSE shows off GPU assignment tool, UBports publishes security update, Murena launches its first tablet, Xfce 4.20 released |
| • Issue 1100 (2024-12-09): Oreon 9.3, differences in speed, IPFire's new appliance, Fedora Asahi Remix gets new video drivers, openSUSE Leap Micro updated, Redox OS running Redox OS |
| • Issue 1099 (2024-12-02): AnduinOS 1.0.1, measuring RAM usage, SUSE continues rebranding efforts, UBports prepares for next major version, Murena offering non-NFC phone |
| • Issue 1098 (2024-11-25): Linux Lite 7.2, backing up specific folders, Murena and Fairphone partner in fair trade deal, Arch installer gets new text interface, Ubuntu security tool patched |
| • Issue 1097 (2024-11-18): Chimera Linux vs Chimera OS, choosing between AlmaLinux and Debian, Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition, Fedora previews new installer, KDE testing its own distro, Qubes-style isolation coming to FreeBSD |
| • Issue 1096 (2024-11-11): Bazzite 40, Playtron OS Alpha 1, Tucana Linux 3.1, detecting Screen sessions, Redox imports COSMIC software centre, FreeBSD booting on the PinePhone Pro, LXQt supports Wayland window managers |
| • Issue 1095 (2024-11-04): Fedora 41 Kinoite, transferring applications between computers, openSUSE Tumbleweed receives multiple upgrades, Ubuntu testing compiler optimizations, Mint partners with Framework |
| • Issue 1094 (2024-10-28): DebLight OS 1, backing up crontab, AlmaLinux introduces Litten branch, openSUSE unveils refreshed look, Ubuntu turns 20
| | • Issue 1093 (2024-10-21): Kubuntu 24.10, atomic vs immutable distributions, Debian upgrading Perl packages, UBports adding VoLTE support, Android to gain native GNU/Linux application support |
| • Issue 1092 (2024-10-14): FunOS 24.04.1, a home directory inside a file, work starts of openSUSE Leap 16.0, improvements in Haiku, KDE neon upgrades its base |
| • Issue 1091 (2024-10-07): Redox OS 0.9.0, Unified package management vs universal package formats, Redox begins RISC-V port, Mint polishes interface, Qubes certifies new laptop |
| • Issue 1090 (2024-09-30): Rhino Linux 2024.2, commercial distros with alternative desktops, Valve seeks to improve Wayland performance, HardenedBSD parterns with Protectli, Tails merges with Tor Project, Quantum Leap partners with the FreeBSD Foundation |
| • Issue 1089 (2024-09-23): Expirion 6.0, openKylin 2.0, managing configuration files, the future of Linux development, fixing bugs in Haiku, Slackware packages dracut |
| • Issue 1088 (2024-09-16): PorteuX 1.6, migrating from Windows 10 to which Linux distro, making NetBSD immutable, AlmaLinux offers hardware certification, Mint updates old APT tools |
| • Issue 1087 (2024-09-09): COSMIC desktop, running cron jobs at variable times, UBports highlights new apps, HardenedBSD offers work around for FreeBSD change, Debian considers how to cull old packages, systemd ported to musl |
| • Issue 1086 (2024-09-02): Vanilla OS 2, command line tips for simple tasks, FreeBSD receives investment from STF, openSUSE Tumbleweed update can break network connections, Debian refreshes media |
| • Issue 1085 (2024-08-26): Nobara 40, OpenMandriva 24.07 "ROME", distros which include source code, FreeBSD publishes quarterly report, Microsoft updates breaks Linux in dual-boot environments |
| • Issue 1084 (2024-08-19): Liya 2.0, dual boot with encryption, Haiku introduces performance improvements, Gentoo dropping IA-64, Redcore merges major upgrade |
| • Issue 1083 (2024-08-12): TrueNAS 24.04.2 "SCALE", Linux distros for smartphones, Redox OS introduces web server, PipeWire exposes battery drain on Linux, Canonical updates kernel version policy |
| • Issue 1082 (2024-08-05): Linux Mint 22, taking snapshots of UFS on FreeBSD, openSUSE updates Tumbleweed and Aeon, Debian creates Tiny QA Tasks, Manjaro testing immutable images |
| • Issue 1081 (2024-07-29): SysLinuxOS 12.4, OpenBSD gain hardware acceleration, Slackware changes kernel naming, Mint publishes upgrade instructions |
| • Issue 1080 (2024-07-22): Running GNU/Linux on Android with Andronix, protecting network services, Solus dropping AppArmor and Snap, openSUSE Aeon Desktop gaining full disk encryption, SUSE asks openSUSE to change its branding |
| • Issue 1079 (2024-07-15): Ubuntu Core 24, hiding files on Linux, Fedora dropping X11 packages on Workstation, Red Hat phasing out GRUB, new OpenSSH vulnerability, FreeBSD speeds up release cycle, UBports testing new first-run wizard |
| • Issue 1078 (2024-07-08): Changing init software, server machines running desktop environments, OpenSSH vulnerability patched, Peppermint launches new edition, HardenedBSD updates ports |
| • Issue 1077 (2024-07-01): The Unity and Lomiri interfaces, different distros for different tasks, Ubuntu plans to run Wayland on NVIDIA cards, openSUSE updates Leap Micro, Debian releases refreshed media, UBports gaining contact synchronisation, FreeDOS celebrates its 30th anniversary |
| • Issue 1076 (2024-06-24): openSUSE 15.6, what makes Linux unique, SUSE Liberty Linux to support CentOS Linux 7, SLE receives 19 years of support, openSUSE testing Leap Micro edition |
| • Issue 1075 (2024-06-17): Redox OS, X11 and Wayland on the BSDs, AlmaLinux releases Pi build, Canonical announces RISC-V laptop with Ubuntu, key changes in systemd |
| • Issue 1074 (2024-06-10): Endless OS 6.0.0, distros with init diversity, Mint to filter unverified Flatpaks, Debian adds systemd-boot options, Redox adopts COSMIC desktop, OpenSSH gains new security features |
| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
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