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1 • Home server (by Aqua on 2024-11-18 01:36:59 GMT from United States)
I run NixOS on my home server and use NixOS containers instead of Docker to run various services.
2 • Why don't you mention illumos? (by illumos on 2024-11-18 02:37:25 GMT from Japan)
QuBSD's security as if Qubes style, but illumos can also do it.
illumos has Zone, bhyve can run on Zones.
SmartOS is illumos's distro, defaulty use Zone and bhyve.
This illumos's bhyve on Zone model is same of FreeBSD's QuBSD.
QuBSD uses jail and bhyve, SmartOS uses Zone and bhyve.
Same of this model is able to run on other distro (OpenIndiana and omnios), despite why don't you mention illumos's distribution?
3 • security via isolation (by Dev Sense on 2024-11-18 06:18:33 GMT from United States)
"security and isolation technologies which are bringing Qubes-like tools to FreeBSD."
This is overkill -.when computer OSs already have built-in backdoors -- via remote login protocols, (& open ports, etc). These are what hackers target if they really want to steal your stuff.
So, it would be better for devs to provide comprehensive GUI config tools - to isolate the OS itself from the outside world, before trying to isolate different parts of the OS within.
4 • Debian preferred (by AdamB on 2024-11-18 06:19:19 GMT from Australia)
Although my first successful installations were members of the RPM family (OpenSuSe, Mandriva, Fedora), I soon developed a preference for the Debian family - anything using the APT package manager.
Most of my experience with setting up servers has been with the Debian family, although I have set up Samba on various other distributions.
In more recent years, I find that Raspberry Pi devices are excellent server platforms. At the moment, I have a Rpi4 which, while usable as a desktop PC, is running Dnsmasq and Apt-cacher-ng services .. very successfully. With an external SSD, it is also acting as a file server.
5 • Alma Linux (by Clay Hansen on 2024-11-18 06:24:41 GMT from United States)
I tried Alma Linux a few years ago..
on a no-internet air gapped box.
It would not boot without internet.
I do not see how it could be touted as enterprise capable.
If your internet goes down,
you are paying your staff to sit around and dust their keyboards.
6 • Why Alma, not Rocky? (by illumos on 2024-11-18 06:38:36 GMT from Japan)
Alma Linux is not a perfect replacement for RHEL like CentOS.
Alma fixes RHEL's bugs with original patches.
Rocky Linux is a faithful copy of RHEL including bugs.
Users should use Rocky instead of Alma for their servers.
7 • Chimera (by Mithologist on 2024-11-18 07:25:33 GMT from Spain)
In my opinion 'ChimeraOS' and 'Chimera Linux' are clearly different names and both should be in the database. I can't see your problem with them.
8 • Nas/Home Server (by Myst on 2024-11-18 07:54:28 GMT from Germany)
I'm currently testing CasaOs on Debian server.
Although I would love to see a review and how Distrowatch would go about a full install and configuration.
All installations are can only be done on with systemD,
System Compatibility
Official Support: Debian,Ubuntu Server,Raspberry Pi OS
Community Support: Tested - Elementary, Armbian
Not fully tested - Alpine, OpenWrt, ArchLinux
Ideally, I would like to see a tested Non SystemD.
Note the Hardware Compatibility
amd64 / x86-64, arm64, armv7
There are lots of Youtube, videos & a number official and community Discord Channels for support.
https://casaos.io/
https://github.com/IceWhaleTech/CasaOS
https://wiki.casaos.io/en/home
9 • Casos on Debian server (by myst on 2024-11-18 07:55:30 GMT from Australia)
I'm currently testing CasaOs on Debian server.
Although I would love to see a review and how Distrowatch would go about a full install and configuration.
All installations are can only be done on with systemD,
System Compatibility
Official Support: Debian,Ubuntu Server,Raspberry Pi OS
Community Support: Tested - Elementary, Armbian
Not fully tested - Alpine, OpenWrt, ArchLinux
Ideally, I would like to see a tested Non SystemD.
Note the Hardware Compatibility
amd64 / x86-64, arm64, armv7
There are lots of Youtube, videos & a number official and community Discord Channels for support.
https://casaos.io/
https://github.com/IceWhaleTech/CasaOS
https://wiki.casaos.io/en/home
10 • Chimera Linux (by rhtoras on 2024-11-18 10:33:16 GMT from Greece)
I have the answer on what you are asking Jesse... Wait and see...\
First of to be clear. I belong to the nosystemD movement. This is the place Chimera Linux should have been since it does not make use of systemD. However the creator states that he disagrees with that movement. I learnt later he was a maintainer of void linux who had very bad behaviour. But i do not know him personally to clarify this. With that being said Chimera maintains turnstile which is an independer seat/login manager. So distributions without systemD could not rely on systemD logind (the devil) i.e artix, elogind i.e slackware (the fork of the devil), consolekit i.e PClinuxOS (oldie) or plain seatd i.e antix (minimal but plain simple). It also brings Gnome desktop on clang llvm which is something unusual. Quite difficult to build.
p.s As for APK i know not only Alpine but also Alpaquita and Adelie Linux that still use it.
p.s2 If i had to chooese between Void and Chimera linux... i would choose the latter anyday.
p.s.3 The reason to use Chimera Linux is if you like Alpine, you dislike elogind but you are lazy to build it without (or you don't know how) and you thing openrc is not a good init system.
Have a nice week to all...
11 • Cimera Linux (by rhtoras on 2024-11-18 10:41:10 GMT from Greece)
I WOULD CHOOSE VOID not Chimera linux
12 • Why not ??? for your home server (by James on 2024-11-18 10:51:13 GMT from United States)
Picking-a-side asks: I'm sure I can't go wrong with either AlmaLinux OS or Debian, they both seem to be recommended a lot, but I'm having a hard time choosing. Which would you suggest for a home server?
He didn't mention NixOS, illumos, or Rocky because he wasn't asked about them. If you want him to talk about them, ask him a question about them, and hope he answers it.
13 • os for server (by Dhoni on 2024-11-18 11:47:26 GMT from Indonesia)
alma vs debian? both work great and solid enterprise grade os as long you use it right.
which on you should use, it depend on the apps you will install amd use later. usually some apps will tell you recommendation for the base os on the server.
14 • CachyOS etc - questions over developer credibility (by Alice on 2024-11-18 11:59:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
Even in your unexpanded screenshot we can see the little logo icons for Discord and Telegram.
Discord. Seriously? After all that we know!
When I see developers and communities using Discord it raises red flags, suspicions, questions over credibility and commitment in matters of Privacy and Security.
Sigh. So many naive children. So many frogs being boiled.
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15 • Fedora KDE (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-18 12:04:56 GMT from Croatia)
it is a tragedy that Fedora refused to ditch gnome and make kde aa only official desktop.
Kde is just awesome. Beautiful, customisable, practical.
Gnome is a piece of crap.
16 • Search "Not Based On" is ignored (by Jan on 2024-11-18 12:35:21 GMT from The Netherlands)
On my old hardware I have a negative experience wrt XFCE.
Strangely the distos I live-tested ran annoyingly slow (browser-behaviour), I realized that they were Debian-based.
So I ran a search for XFCE and "Not Based On" Debian.
All XFCE+Debian distros were given. So the "Not Based ON" key is ignored.
Not a big deal, but maybe can be corrected?
17 • Xfce without Debian (by Jesse on 2024-11-18 12:40:17 GMT from Canada)
@16: "So I ran a search for XFCE and "Not Based On" Debian.
All XFCE+Debian distros were given. So the "Not Based ON" key is ignored."
I did a check on this and none of the results for distros with Xfce "not based on Debian" are Debian-based distribution. There are 56 results and none of them are Debian derivatives. Maybe you swapped the "based on" and "not based on" fields?
https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=All¬basedon=Debian&desktop=Xfce&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=All&status=Active#simpleresults
18 • xfce old hardware (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-18 13:04:45 GMT from Croatia)
@16 don't waste time with xfce or any other gtk derived crap
For older hardware there is a desktop called trinity.
it is derived from old kde 3.5 and it is very fast and stable.
There are several distros with trinity just do a proper search
19 • @ Xfce without Debian (by Jan on 2024-11-18 13:14:54 GMT from The Netherlands)
You are right, with 1 exception, Debian is on place 2. So I focussed too much on this. Probably Debian has not the right "keywords".
Interesting remark @18.
20 • Fedora KDE (by Abramo on 2024-11-18 15:02:10 GMT from Italy)
@15 TiredPenguin
KDE Plasma and GNOME are the most complete desktop environments. The decision could not be different. Even if I prefer KDE (which is light even on quite old desktops).
21 • Chimera (by Luke on 2024-11-18 15:05:46 GMT from United States)
I'm not affiliated with either project but I just wanted to point out that the name Chimera fits Chimera Linux well, with parts taken from various systems to form a surprising but cohesive whole. It makes far less sense for ChimeraOS, which sounds more like a SteamOS alternative. Maybe it's the fact that Chimeras breathed fire, but there are a lot of mythological creatures that do, and a lot of other names that would have fit better.
22 • Fedora/Red Hat Installer (by RetiredIT on 2024-11-18 15:02:51 GMT from United States)
I am relieved that Fedora is FINALLY, after many years, motivated to bring out a new installer. I have always dreaded installing any Red Hat distro because the present installer is old, archaic and very difficult to work with unless you have used it many times and have worked out all the essenial oddball quirks. The same goes for Debian's non-graphical installer. Old and outdated. NO Linux distro should be that hard to install. Certain hard to use installers such as Red Hat's have probably held back many WinDoze users from coming over to Linux!
23 • Home Server (by Alessio on 2024-11-18 15:06:37 GMT from Italy)
FreeBSD. No doubt.
24 • Debian (by uz64 on 2024-11-18 15:20:45 GMT from United States)
AlmaLinux is basically at the whims of a corporation. In particular Red Hat--or more specifically, IBM--has them by the balls. When IBM decided to pull the plug on the "open-for-all" nature of Red Hat's source code, while Rocky Linux and others decided to take the time to come up with an alternate method to continue being a 100% faithful bug-for-bug RHEL clone, AlmaLinux quickly decided to take the easy way out and instead become an "ABI-compatible" clone of Red Hat. When a distro is so quick to take the path of least resistance, showing weakness, I would say that doesn't reflect too positively on the overall strength of the distribution. What are they going to do next time IBM decides to challenge them? How little will it really take before they just give up? Needless to say, I don't think AlmaLinux has proven to be a leader at all in the EL clone space when confronted with a challenge, but at the same time I'm not completely sure I'd recommend Rocky or any of the other RHEL clones either. Why? Simple: They are all at the mercy of IBM to some extent.
Just use Debian, don't waste your time with the potential BS that can come with using a corporate-backed distribution. Red Hat is more concerned about making money than anything else, which has become especially obvious under new leadership from IBM, and clone distros that redistribute their products for free are not their friends. And it is the users of those distros that will suffer the most. If you choose to use a Red Hat clone--any of them--be wary when reading claims of "ten years of support" inherited by the parent distro, and always consider the possibility of an early forced switch to another distribution.
25 • Why Alma, not Rocky? (by Orlando on 2024-11-18 15:19:31 GMT from Italy)
@6 illumos
Alma Linux is not a perfect replacement for RHEL like Rocky. This is a good thing, Alma is CentOS Stream stabilized and improved by Synergy and ElRepo repositories. Alma fixes RHEL's bugs with original patches (there are too many clones out there and they are able only to copy). Rocky Linux is a faithful copy of RHEL including bugs and missing software: this is sure, but users would be better off using Alma instead of a RHEL-clone for their servers (and enterprise desktop).
26 • fedora kde (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-18 16:35:47 GMT from Croatia)
@20
Gnome complete!?!?!!
trolololllol
that's why there are tons of extensions for it. Because it's "complete".
and with those gnome becomes buggy and unstable.
And with each new version gnome breaks compatibility with extensions.
if there is anything "complete" with gnome it's a complete mess
27 • fedora kde (by Abramo on 2024-11-18 21:04:33 GMT from The Netherlands)
@26
"Gnome complete? That's why there are tons of extensions for it. Because it's complete."
Gnome is complete because it works well without extensions. Only a DVD writing support at the level of K3b is missing.
28 • Void Linux (by Karl Vreski on 2024-11-18 23:01:12 GMT from Australia)
@10
Regarding Void Linux and elogind, from the available ISO, elogind is enabled by default. To install an alternative to elogind, it is likely you will have the following issue:
"Although seatd and turnstile aim to provide session management, they might not fully implement all the D-Bus interfaces and session tracking features required by some desktop components, particularly those expecting the org.freedesktop.login1 interface provided by logind or its alternatives like elogind.
To avoid using elogind and still have a functioning polkit agent, you would need to ensure that all components involved in session and privilege management are correctly set up to interact with seatd and turnstile. "
So, from what i can gather, although it is possible to install turnstile or seatd, to actually get them working properly on the system seems to be a massive challenge.
It might just be that as systemd grows more invasive and more applications become dependent on it to function, that a systemd-free linux is not possible and the only real alternative is FreeBSD
29 • Why Alma, not Rocky? (by illumos on 2024-11-18 23:20:43 GMT from Japan)
@25
This is not a good idea.
You don't want that many repositories on a server.
More software means more vulnerabilities.
Rocky is more secure than Alma and is better for servers.
30 • Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition (by bige on 2024-11-18 23:30:15 GMT from United States)
Congrats to fans of KDE+Fedora! My preferred DE is GNOME, and I hope that GNOME always remains the default DE for Fedora.
There are good reasons why GNOME is my choice. It is matured and clean looking. GNOME is easy to use. To use an application, just hit the Super/Windows key, and then type in the name of the application in the search bar.
31 • Home server (by Dk on 2024-11-18 23:53:19 GMT from Canada)
Having used debian for 20 + years my familiarity with that ecosystem would make me choose debian right away unless there was a very compelling use case to use another distribution. Anything more serious than a home server I would be looking at either debian or rehl. Although alma and rocky are both good distributions they do come with unecessary baggage. BSD would also be an option and once again that comes down to what role the server will be used for.
32 • Naming Confusion & AlmaLinux (by Vinfall on 2024-11-19 02:04:55 GMT from Hong Kong)
Some distros definitely need a more unique name. A while ago I was about to try Clean Linux OS (an Intel-backed distro) and accidentally downloaded Clear OS (a CentOS/RHEL-based distro, formerly ClarkConnect). This is very confusing.
@6: I found this kind of thing annoying as well. Rocky is truly bug-for-bug compatible and while AlmaLinux used to be code-for-code compatible, now it's only ABI compatible.
LWN.net only mentions AlmaLinux (along with Fedora & Red Hat) security updates, Azure endorses AlmaLinux, but AlmaLinux just sucks. Their website is terrible w/ or w/o JavaScript. Documentation is somewhere between Manjaro and Arch, no where close to Rocky (slightly better than Arch Wiki, but ofc more limited). I can't really figure out why everyone is going after it besides the idealogical reason.
33 • KDE vs Gnome, @15, @26 Tired Penguin (by Wally on 2024-11-19 02:58:56 GMT from Australia)
@ 15, 26 Tired Penguin, -One can differ in opinion without calling things crap or calling other people names. Don't like Gnome? Don't use it! I happen to like Gnome. I also like KDE. I use them both. Jesse just reviewed Kubuntu and he found KDE 6 overly complicated and using too much RAM. I differ. I find it quite easy for my use. Is he wrong? Am I? Neither. It's a matter of opinion and usage. I like the multiplicity of options, which let me set it up as I want. 1.3GB of RAM at idle is high in a PC with 2GB, but with 16 to 32Gb available, it's of no consequence. People use the word "snappy". Does it mean the apps pop up instantly? I find that startling and prefer a smooth glide. My work is not slowed by that. Lots of people love XFCE. I find it unaesthetic and somewhat agricultural. I detest scroll, hover and click category menus and prefer full-screen icon grids. Just my opinions, nothing else.
Gnome: As a desktop meant for the enterprise, with perhaps many cubicle denizens working away, the fewer distractions the better. Gnome excels at that. Simple. What you need is available with a click or a keystroke. Nothing more. Not for me, though. But wait! I can set up Gnome as a Windows lookalike like Zorin's or I can go all the way to full Compiz-like bling. All I need are extensions. Extensions are as easy to add and enable as is going through the choices in KDE's settings app. And there are thousands of them. It takes a popular, enjoyable and configurable DE to get that many people developing things for it. Extensions may break? Sure, if you stay on the bleeding edge. My wife's laptop has been running Ubuntu Jammy for 2.5 years without a hiccup. I run 24.04, good for 5 to 10 years.
Three screenshots: KDE, Gnome and some Gnome bling which I just tried for kicks and will delete.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/164785504@N08/
34 • Possible naming solution: ChimeraOS --> QuimeraOS (by X on 2024-11-19 07:18:05 GMT from United States)
This situation proved to be difficult, but, it had to be done. I believe both distributions should be included here. However, the naming is much too similar. Perhaps I may offer a suggestion to any ChimeraOS developers to propose an alternative without completely giving up the name. The Spanish version of Chimera is Quimera. Perhaps QuimeraOS could be acceptable to all.
I do not play games so I have no interest in the distribution. Chimera Linux might be closer to my needs (I will test it when I return to the States.) However, it appears to be moving in the right direction and I regret it lost out due to a minor issue. It is up to ChimeraOS developers to make a decision on how to proceed. Perhaps they have a better solution.
35 • response to gnome fanboys (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-19 08:40:39 GMT from Croatia)
gnome is not complete. That's why most gnome users use some kind of extensions or in case of ubuntu (and some others), heavily modified versions.
The only reason gnome even exists is fanatism from fsf fanboys who considered qt to be evil for some reason only they understand.
And these fanatics were employed in linux companies pushing their insanity on managers to adopt gnome as default "desktop" instead of kde
and that is the main reason why linux is not more prevalent on the desktop.
Now slowly companies are comimg around.
36 • @35, Tired Penguin (by Wally on 2024-11-19 11:44:11 GMT from Australia)
@35, Tired Penguin"And these fanatics were employed in linux companies pushing their insanity on managers to adopt gnome as default "desktop" instead of kde
and that is the main reason why linux is not more prevalent on the desktop." -I see! So it's a conspiracy by insane fanatics who hate Qt and by us fanbois, designed to keep Linux down.
Definition of fanatic: a person exhibiting excessive enthusiasm and intense uncritical devotion toward some controversial matter.
If the shoe fits. . .
37 • gnomeism (by drosgher on 2024-11-19 11:47:07 GMT from Australia)
@30 you can hit the Super key and start typing to bring up an application in most DEs, it's not something exclusive to GNOME.
I tend to agree with @35
38 • Chimera chaos (by Mxgog0 on 2024-11-19 12:02:36 GMT from South Africa)
Like @34, I do not play games and thus the discussion is mainly academic. Which is why I want to register kudos to Jesse for a test report that was outstandingly clear, held my attention, and informed me of some large gaps in my own knowledge base. Thanks too for the other inputs of the DW gang, who never fail to inform and delight, opinionated though they be!
39 • @30 bige: (by dragonmouth on 2024-11-19 12:04:49 GMT from United States)
If you had used KDE for as long as you have used GNOME, KDE would be just as easy, if not easier. It's a fallacy to assume that just because you are familiar with something, it is easy.
40 • KDE v Gnome (by kc1di on 2024-11-19 12:05:26 GMT from United States)
I think KDE Vs Gnome is over blown and the one great thing about Linux is you have choices don't like one use the other or go completely different, most Distros offer a variety of DE choices. I like Cinnamon and KDE But have used XFCE depending upon the hardware. They all work and can be made to look mostly like you like it. No need to call people names for making a choice that is right for them. I'm personally glad Fedora has elevated KDE to be equal with Gnome. But it does not really change any thing as you can choose which one you want and install accordingly.
41 • @28 Karl Vreski: (by dragonmouth on 2024-11-19 12:10:15 GMT from United States)
"applications become dependent on it (systemd) to function"
A minor correction - "applications are MADE dependent on it to function"
42 • De War (again) (by Dhoni on 2024-11-19 12:13:48 GMT from Indonesia)
IMO for de, what work for you maybe dont work for other, and vice versa.
my work laptop use gnome, it's what comfortable for me and my work flow.
my other laptop use kde, because why not??
my workspace on vm/vps always use xfce, simple stuff that work.
thats the beauty of linux..
43 • LXqt (by illumos on 2024-11-19 12:44:50 GMT from Japan)
Why do lightweight distros use Xfce instead of LXqt?
In theory, LXqt is more lightweight than Xfce.
44 • GNOME vs KDE war (by Arlo on 2024-11-19 15:21:37 GMT from Italy)
The Qt Development Frameworks is Nokia's proprietary software. That is why the Linux community has focused more on GNOME, which is made “in house.” This is not fanaticism; it is called freedom. GNOME has also focused on a radical change of the desktop from Windows (which not everyone likes). GNOME works well without extensions, and those who want extensions do so at their own risk. The real problem I have encountered in GNOME and GTK4 lies in the fact that, on my old pc with an old Intel processor, it is as heavy as a boulder: for example, a transfer of 20 GB of data from the Blu-Ray Disk to the Sata3 SSD drive sends the cpu to temperatures of 96 degrees Celsius. I do not experience this problem when I use KDE Plasma: so the problem is not my hardware (both KDE and LXQt run fine) but an inherent heaviness of the GNOME desktop and its libraries. I am therefore forced to use Qt-based desktops. GNOME is fine, the GUI is not a real problem, the “in house” principle is rational, but we need to restructure the code under the hood of the GNOME desktop and GTK4 libraries.
45 • Qt (by Jesse on 2024-11-19 15:45:42 GMT from Canada)
@44: "The Qt Development Frameworks is Nokia's proprietary software."
No, it is not. Qt is developed and shared under an open license. If Qt were ever to be made non-free software, the KDE foundation has an agreement in place to allow KDE to continue developing an open fork of Qt.
"This is not fanaticism; it is called freedom."
It's wild misinformation.
46 • @6 - Rocky (by Brad on 2024-11-19 22:40:26 GMT from United States)
"Rocky Linux is a faithful copy of RHEL including bugs."
I have always found this amusing, and indicative of the larger problems facing Linux in general.
Why would *anyone* consider using a distro that was cloned from RHEL, and remains "100% bug-for-bug" compatible? Do their developers have more than enough time on their hands to continually squash bugs every time a new version of RHEL comes out?
Do the end users who are using this distro care about its inherent instability? For the home user, perhaps not a big deal, but for those running "mission-critical" applications - they would probably have to hire internal IT staff to deal with the bugs. Insanity!
Too many distros - and its no wonder the larger computer-using community is hesitant to move on from Windows!
47 • Feedbacks (by Erren on 2024-11-20 00:18:27 GMT from Philippines)
Has anyone checked out the latest comments on the DistroWatch Weekly? There’s some pretty interesting takes on lightweight versus full-featured Linux distributions. It’s like the eternal debate in the Linux community
48 • Gnome (by Devlin7 on 2024-11-20 00:21:06 GMT from New Zealand)
I was recently testing Gnome and ran into an interesting and seemingly impossible issue. I like having my browser icon on the dash/dock (or whatever it is called) but I noticed that if it was docked it disappeared from the ALL apps view at the top. In an effort to get both visible, I docked my browser icon and then attempted to drag it to the menu. Gnome crashed, the screen was blank but there was the browser icon sitting above where the dock was but not quite on where the menu would be. It was just an image, the icon was not able to be clicked or moved. I logged out and in, I had a working gnome except the the icon showed in the same place like it was burnt into the screen. I then rebooted, logged in again, and there was was again, a phantom icon..
49 • @48 • Gnome (by Devlin7, @44, Arlo (by Wally on 2024-11-20 07:14:40 GMT from Australia)
@48, "I docked my browser icon and then attempted to drag it to the menu" I'm confused. If you are testing stock Gnome, there is no dock on the desktop, and there is no menu. 'Super" brings up the overview with the dash (dock) and virtual desktops. "Super+a" brings up the app grid and dash. You can drag from the grid to the dash and back all you want, but if you pin an app to the dash it will not be on the grid, and vice versa. In either grid or dash, all apps will be visible, so I suppose what you want is for your browser to show twice? I tried replicating what you say you did even adding dock, panel and menu extensions, but anything I tried to drag through the desktop just bounced back to the dock and nothing changed.. Can't speak to your 'ghost' icon, but you might try opening Files to to the Desktop folder and see if anything is there to delete.
50 • Debian vs AlmaLinux OS (by DaveT on 2024-11-20 11:02:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
In the olden days I used distributions that use rpm as the package manager. I tolerated rpm because I didn't know any better. Red Hat mainly with Yellow Dog (they gave us YUM) on my Motorola powerpc iMacs.
Then I discovered Debian and apt so from 2004 I never used an rpm distro at home again (OpenBSD on the iMacs!).
At work I had to take into account management fears and so I specified Red Hat for servers and my desktop.
Things change over time, so as long as the hardware is supported my servers are OpenBSD.
My daily driver laptop is OpenBSD.
My media setup and unsupported server hardware is Devuan linux for obvious reasons...
51 • Poll Query (by Otis on 2024-11-20 18:39:30 GMT from United States)
Alma Linux is on this laptop, but strictly as a work station/game machine.
52 • Debian or Alma (by pepa65 on 2024-11-20 22:47:56 GMT from Thailand)
I voted Debian, and I am using Debian for a few servers, but my go-to for servers (including my home server) is Ubuntu LTS (on the desktop I use Linux Mint). But voting Debian gives a nod to Debian, the mother of all .deb based distributions.
RedHat 5.1 was the first Linux I tried, but never took to the .rpm based repo system, hugely preferring .deb.
53 • Elogind (by rhtoras on 2024-11-22 09:13:59 GMT from Greece)
@28 I can see what you say but it is not fully correct. You can live without elogind if you want but there are some things to sacrifice. It works but not all software could work. It is understandable but antix shows it is possible to live without. As for systemD it forces the devs to adopt it in their software and we all know how. Btw there is an iso from refracta linux where you can use it without dbus. Go check it. It is difficult but possible.
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| • Issue 1099 (2024-12-02): AnduinOS 1.0.1, measuring RAM usage, SUSE continues rebranding efforts, UBports prepares for next major version, Murena offering non-NFC phone |
| • Issue 1098 (2024-11-25): Linux Lite 7.2, backing up specific folders, Murena and Fairphone partner in fair trade deal, Arch installer gets new text interface, Ubuntu security tool patched |
| • Issue 1097 (2024-11-18): Chimera Linux vs Chimera OS, choosing between AlmaLinux and Debian, Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition, Fedora previews new installer, KDE testing its own distro, Qubes-style isolation coming to FreeBSD |
| • Issue 1096 (2024-11-11): Bazzite 40, Playtron OS Alpha 1, Tucana Linux 3.1, detecting Screen sessions, Redox imports COSMIC software centre, FreeBSD booting on the PinePhone Pro, LXQt supports Wayland window managers |
| • Issue 1095 (2024-11-04): Fedora 41 Kinoite, transferring applications between computers, openSUSE Tumbleweed receives multiple upgrades, Ubuntu testing compiler optimizations, Mint partners with Framework |
| • Issue 1094 (2024-10-28): DebLight OS 1, backing up crontab, AlmaLinux introduces Litten branch, openSUSE unveils refreshed look, Ubuntu turns 20
| | • Issue 1093 (2024-10-21): Kubuntu 24.10, atomic vs immutable distributions, Debian upgrading Perl packages, UBports adding VoLTE support, Android to gain native GNU/Linux application support |
| • Issue 1092 (2024-10-14): FunOS 24.04.1, a home directory inside a file, work starts of openSUSE Leap 16.0, improvements in Haiku, KDE neon upgrades its base |
| • Issue 1091 (2024-10-07): Redox OS 0.9.0, Unified package management vs universal package formats, Redox begins RISC-V port, Mint polishes interface, Qubes certifies new laptop |
| • Issue 1090 (2024-09-30): Rhino Linux 2024.2, commercial distros with alternative desktops, Valve seeks to improve Wayland performance, HardenedBSD parterns with Protectli, Tails merges with Tor Project, Quantum Leap partners with the FreeBSD Foundation |
| • Issue 1089 (2024-09-23): Expirion 6.0, openKylin 2.0, managing configuration files, the future of Linux development, fixing bugs in Haiku, Slackware packages dracut |
| • Issue 1088 (2024-09-16): PorteuX 1.6, migrating from Windows 10 to which Linux distro, making NetBSD immutable, AlmaLinux offers hardware certification, Mint updates old APT tools |
| • Issue 1087 (2024-09-09): COSMIC desktop, running cron jobs at variable times, UBports highlights new apps, HardenedBSD offers work around for FreeBSD change, Debian considers how to cull old packages, systemd ported to musl |
| • Issue 1086 (2024-09-02): Vanilla OS 2, command line tips for simple tasks, FreeBSD receives investment from STF, openSUSE Tumbleweed update can break network connections, Debian refreshes media |
| • Issue 1085 (2024-08-26): Nobara 40, OpenMandriva 24.07 "ROME", distros which include source code, FreeBSD publishes quarterly report, Microsoft updates breaks Linux in dual-boot environments |
| • Issue 1084 (2024-08-19): Liya 2.0, dual boot with encryption, Haiku introduces performance improvements, Gentoo dropping IA-64, Redcore merges major upgrade |
| • Issue 1083 (2024-08-12): TrueNAS 24.04.2 "SCALE", Linux distros for smartphones, Redox OS introduces web server, PipeWire exposes battery drain on Linux, Canonical updates kernel version policy |
| • Issue 1082 (2024-08-05): Linux Mint 22, taking snapshots of UFS on FreeBSD, openSUSE updates Tumbleweed and Aeon, Debian creates Tiny QA Tasks, Manjaro testing immutable images |
| • Issue 1081 (2024-07-29): SysLinuxOS 12.4, OpenBSD gain hardware acceleration, Slackware changes kernel naming, Mint publishes upgrade instructions |
| • Issue 1080 (2024-07-22): Running GNU/Linux on Android with Andronix, protecting network services, Solus dropping AppArmor and Snap, openSUSE Aeon Desktop gaining full disk encryption, SUSE asks openSUSE to change its branding |
| • Issue 1079 (2024-07-15): Ubuntu Core 24, hiding files on Linux, Fedora dropping X11 packages on Workstation, Red Hat phasing out GRUB, new OpenSSH vulnerability, FreeBSD speeds up release cycle, UBports testing new first-run wizard |
| • Issue 1078 (2024-07-08): Changing init software, server machines running desktop environments, OpenSSH vulnerability patched, Peppermint launches new edition, HardenedBSD updates ports |
| • Issue 1077 (2024-07-01): The Unity and Lomiri interfaces, different distros for different tasks, Ubuntu plans to run Wayland on NVIDIA cards, openSUSE updates Leap Micro, Debian releases refreshed media, UBports gaining contact synchronisation, FreeDOS celebrates its 30th anniversary |
| • Issue 1076 (2024-06-24): openSUSE 15.6, what makes Linux unique, SUSE Liberty Linux to support CentOS Linux 7, SLE receives 19 years of support, openSUSE testing Leap Micro edition |
| • Issue 1075 (2024-06-17): Redox OS, X11 and Wayland on the BSDs, AlmaLinux releases Pi build, Canonical announces RISC-V laptop with Ubuntu, key changes in systemd |
| • Issue 1074 (2024-06-10): Endless OS 6.0.0, distros with init diversity, Mint to filter unverified Flatpaks, Debian adds systemd-boot options, Redox adopts COSMIC desktop, OpenSSH gains new security features |
| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
| • Issue 1066 (2024-04-15): Fun projects to do with the Raspberry Pi and PinePhone, installing new software on fixed-release distributions, improving GNOME Terminal performance, Mint testing new repository mirrors, Gentoo becomes a Software In the Public Interest project |
| • Issue 1065 (2024-04-08): Dr.Parted Live 24.03, answering questions about the xz exploit, Linux Mint to ship HWE kernel, AlmaLinux patches flaw ahead of upstream Red Hat, Calculate changes release model |
| • Issue 1064 (2024-04-01): NixOS 23.11, the status of Hurd, liblzma compromised upstream, FreeBSD Foundation focuses on improving wireless networking, Ubuntu Pro offers 12 years of support |
| • Issue 1063 (2024-03-25): Redcore Linux 2401, how slowly can a rolling release update, Debian starts new Project Leader election, Red Hat creating new NVIDIA driver, Snap store hit with more malware |
| • Issue 1062 (2024-03-18): KDE neon 20240304, changing file permissions, Canonical turns 20, Pop!_OS creates new software centre, openSUSE packages Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1061 (2024-03-11): Using a PinePhone as a workstation, restarting background services on a schedule, NixBSD ports Nix to FreeBSD, Fedora packaging COSMIC, postmarketOS to adopt systemd, Linux Mint replacing HexChat |
| • Issue 1060 (2024-03-04): AV Linux MX-23.1, bootstrapping a network connection, key OpenBSD features, Qubes certifies new hardware, LXQt and Plasma migrate to Qt 6 |
| • Issue 1059 (2024-02-26): Warp Terminal, navigating manual pages, malware found in the Snap store, Red Hat considering CPU requirement update, UBports organizes ongoing work |
| • Issue 1058 (2024-02-19): Drauger OS 7.6, how much disk space to allocate, System76 prepares to launch COSMIC desktop, UBports changes its version scheme, TrueNAS to offer faster deduplication |
| • Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
| • Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
| • Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
| • Issue 1054 (2024-01-22): Solus 4.5, comparing dd and cp when writing ISO files, openSUSE plans new major Leap version, XeroLinux shutting down, HardenedBSD changes its build schedule |
| • Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
| • Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
| • Issue 1051 (2024-01-01): Favourite distros of 2023, reloading shell settings, Asahi Linux releases Fedora remix, Gentoo offers binary packages, openSUSE provides full disk encryption |
| • Issue 1050 (2023-12-18): rlxos 2023.11, renaming files and opening terminal windows in specific directories, TrueNAS publishes ZFS fixes, Debian publishes delayed install media, Haiku polishes desktop experience |
| • Issue 1049 (2023-12-11): Lernstick 12, alternatives to WINE, openSUSE updates its branding, Mint unveils new features, Lubuntu team plans for 24.04 |
| • Issue 1048 (2023-12-04): openSUSE MicroOS, the transition from X11 to Wayland, Red Hat phasing out X11 packages, UBports making mobile development easier |
| • Issue 1047 (2023-11-27): GhostBSD 23.10.1, Why Linux uses swap when memory is free, Ubuntu Budgie may benefit from Wayland work in Xfce, early issues with FreeBSD 14.0 |
| • Issue 1046 (2023-11-20): Slackel 7.7 "Openbox", restricting CPU usage, Haiku improves font handling and software centre performance, Canonical launches MicroCloud |
| • Issue 1045 (2023-11-13): Fedora 39, how to trust software packages, ReactOS booting with UEFI, elementary OS plans to default to Wayland, Mir gaining ability to split work across video cards |
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BeaFanatIX
BeaFanatIX was an Ubuntu-based mini live CD with utilities borrowed from KNOPPIX. It was developed by a small group of developers who have forked the successful, but discontinued BeatrIX distribution and added new features and scripts. The main purpose of BeaFanatIX was to provide a small, installable live CD, with good documentation and easy-to-use applications for a variety of desktop tasks.
Status: Discontinued
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TUXEDO Computers - Linux Hardware in a tailor made suite
Choose from a wide range of laptops and PCs in various sizes and shapes at TUXEDOComputers.com. Every machine comes pre-installed and ready-to-run with Linux. Full 24 months of warranty and lifetime support included!
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Star Labs - Laptops built for Linux.
View our range including the highly anticipated StarFighter. Available with coreboot open-source firmware and a choice of Ubuntu, elementary, Manjaro and more. Visit Star Labs for information, to buy and get support.
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