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1 • Home server (by Aqua on 2024-11-18 01:36:59 GMT from United States)
I run NixOS on my home server and use NixOS containers instead of Docker to run various services.
2 • Why don't you mention illumos? (by illumos on 2024-11-18 02:37:25 GMT from Japan)
QuBSD's security as if Qubes style, but illumos can also do it.
illumos has Zone, bhyve can run on Zones.
SmartOS is illumos's distro, defaulty use Zone and bhyve.
This illumos's bhyve on Zone model is same of FreeBSD's QuBSD.
QuBSD uses jail and bhyve, SmartOS uses Zone and bhyve.
Same of this model is able to run on other distro (OpenIndiana and omnios), despite why don't you mention illumos's distribution?
3 • security via isolation (by Dev Sense on 2024-11-18 06:18:33 GMT from United States)
"security and isolation technologies which are bringing Qubes-like tools to FreeBSD."
This is overkill -.when computer OSs already have built-in backdoors -- via remote login protocols, (& open ports, etc). These are what hackers target if they really want to steal your stuff.
So, it would be better for devs to provide comprehensive GUI config tools - to isolate the OS itself from the outside world, before trying to isolate different parts of the OS within.
4 • Debian preferred (by AdamB on 2024-11-18 06:19:19 GMT from Australia)
Although my first successful installations were members of the RPM family (OpenSuSe, Mandriva, Fedora), I soon developed a preference for the Debian family - anything using the APT package manager.
Most of my experience with setting up servers has been with the Debian family, although I have set up Samba on various other distributions.
In more recent years, I find that Raspberry Pi devices are excellent server platforms. At the moment, I have a Rpi4 which, while usable as a desktop PC, is running Dnsmasq and Apt-cacher-ng services .. very successfully. With an external SSD, it is also acting as a file server.
5 • Alma Linux (by Clay Hansen on 2024-11-18 06:24:41 GMT from United States)
I tried Alma Linux a few years ago..
on a no-internet air gapped box.
It would not boot without internet.
I do not see how it could be touted as enterprise capable.
If your internet goes down,
you are paying your staff to sit around and dust their keyboards.
6 • Why Alma, not Rocky? (by illumos on 2024-11-18 06:38:36 GMT from Japan)
Alma Linux is not a perfect replacement for RHEL like CentOS.
Alma fixes RHEL's bugs with original patches.
Rocky Linux is a faithful copy of RHEL including bugs.
Users should use Rocky instead of Alma for their servers.
7 • Chimera (by Mithologist on 2024-11-18 07:25:33 GMT from Spain)
In my opinion 'ChimeraOS' and 'Chimera Linux' are clearly different names and both should be in the database. I can't see your problem with them.
8 • Nas/Home Server (by Myst on 2024-11-18 07:54:28 GMT from Germany)
I'm currently testing CasaOs on Debian server.
Although I would love to see a review and how Distrowatch would go about a full install and configuration.
All installations are can only be done on with systemD,
System Compatibility
Official Support: Debian,Ubuntu Server,Raspberry Pi OS
Community Support: Tested - Elementary, Armbian
Not fully tested - Alpine, OpenWrt, ArchLinux
Ideally, I would like to see a tested Non SystemD.
Note the Hardware Compatibility
amd64 / x86-64, arm64, armv7
There are lots of Youtube, videos & a number official and community Discord Channels for support.
https://casaos.io/
https://github.com/IceWhaleTech/CasaOS
https://wiki.casaos.io/en/home
9 • Casos on Debian server (by myst on 2024-11-18 07:55:30 GMT from Australia)
I'm currently testing CasaOs on Debian server.
Although I would love to see a review and how Distrowatch would go about a full install and configuration.
All installations are can only be done on with systemD,
System Compatibility
Official Support: Debian,Ubuntu Server,Raspberry Pi OS
Community Support: Tested - Elementary, Armbian
Not fully tested - Alpine, OpenWrt, ArchLinux
Ideally, I would like to see a tested Non SystemD.
Note the Hardware Compatibility
amd64 / x86-64, arm64, armv7
There are lots of Youtube, videos & a number official and community Discord Channels for support.
https://casaos.io/
https://github.com/IceWhaleTech/CasaOS
https://wiki.casaos.io/en/home
10 • Chimera Linux (by rhtoras on 2024-11-18 10:33:16 GMT from Greece)
I have the answer on what you are asking Jesse... Wait and see...\
First of to be clear. I belong to the nosystemD movement. This is the place Chimera Linux should have been since it does not make use of systemD. However the creator states that he disagrees with that movement. I learnt later he was a maintainer of void linux who had very bad behaviour. But i do not know him personally to clarify this. With that being said Chimera maintains turnstile which is an independer seat/login manager. So distributions without systemD could not rely on systemD logind (the devil) i.e artix, elogind i.e slackware (the fork of the devil), consolekit i.e PClinuxOS (oldie) or plain seatd i.e antix (minimal but plain simple). It also brings Gnome desktop on clang llvm which is something unusual. Quite difficult to build.
p.s As for APK i know not only Alpine but also Alpaquita and Adelie Linux that still use it.
p.s2 If i had to chooese between Void and Chimera linux... i would choose the latter anyday.
p.s.3 The reason to use Chimera Linux is if you like Alpine, you dislike elogind but you are lazy to build it without (or you don't know how) and you thing openrc is not a good init system.
Have a nice week to all...
11 • Cimera Linux (by rhtoras on 2024-11-18 10:41:10 GMT from Greece)
I WOULD CHOOSE VOID not Chimera linux
12 • Why not ??? for your home server (by James on 2024-11-18 10:51:13 GMT from United States)
Picking-a-side asks: I'm sure I can't go wrong with either AlmaLinux OS or Debian, they both seem to be recommended a lot, but I'm having a hard time choosing. Which would you suggest for a home server?
He didn't mention NixOS, illumos, or Rocky because he wasn't asked about them. If you want him to talk about them, ask him a question about them, and hope he answers it.
13 • os for server (by Dhoni on 2024-11-18 11:47:26 GMT from Indonesia)
alma vs debian? both work great and solid enterprise grade os as long you use it right.
which on you should use, it depend on the apps you will install amd use later. usually some apps will tell you recommendation for the base os on the server.
14 • CachyOS etc - questions over developer credibility (by Alice on 2024-11-18 11:59:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
Even in your unexpanded screenshot we can see the little logo icons for Discord and Telegram.
Discord. Seriously? After all that we know!
When I see developers and communities using Discord it raises red flags, suspicions, questions over credibility and commitment in matters of Privacy and Security.
Sigh. So many naive children. So many frogs being boiled.
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15 • Fedora KDE (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-18 12:04:56 GMT from Croatia)
it is a tragedy that Fedora refused to ditch gnome and make kde aa only official desktop.
Kde is just awesome. Beautiful, customisable, practical.
Gnome is a piece of crap.
16 • Search "Not Based On" is ignored (by Jan on 2024-11-18 12:35:21 GMT from The Netherlands)
On my old hardware I have a negative experience wrt XFCE.
Strangely the distos I live-tested ran annoyingly slow (browser-behaviour), I realized that they were Debian-based.
So I ran a search for XFCE and "Not Based On" Debian.
All XFCE+Debian distros were given. So the "Not Based ON" key is ignored.
Not a big deal, but maybe can be corrected?
17 • Xfce without Debian (by Jesse on 2024-11-18 12:40:17 GMT from Canada)
@16: "So I ran a search for XFCE and "Not Based On" Debian.
All XFCE+Debian distros were given. So the "Not Based ON" key is ignored."
I did a check on this and none of the results for distros with Xfce "not based on Debian" are Debian-based distribution. There are 56 results and none of them are Debian derivatives. Maybe you swapped the "based on" and "not based on" fields?
https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=All¬basedon=Debian&desktop=Xfce&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=All&status=Active#simpleresults
18 • xfce old hardware (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-18 13:04:45 GMT from Croatia)
@16 don't waste time with xfce or any other gtk derived crap
For older hardware there is a desktop called trinity.
it is derived from old kde 3.5 and it is very fast and stable.
There are several distros with trinity just do a proper search
19 • @ Xfce without Debian (by Jan on 2024-11-18 13:14:54 GMT from The Netherlands)
You are right, with 1 exception, Debian is on place 2. So I focussed too much on this. Probably Debian has not the right "keywords".
Interesting remark @18.
20 • Fedora KDE (by Abramo on 2024-11-18 15:02:10 GMT from Italy)
@15 TiredPenguin
KDE Plasma and GNOME are the most complete desktop environments. The decision could not be different. Even if I prefer KDE (which is light even on quite old desktops).
21 • Chimera (by Luke on 2024-11-18 15:05:46 GMT from United States)
I'm not affiliated with either project but I just wanted to point out that the name Chimera fits Chimera Linux well, with parts taken from various systems to form a surprising but cohesive whole. It makes far less sense for ChimeraOS, which sounds more like a SteamOS alternative. Maybe it's the fact that Chimeras breathed fire, but there are a lot of mythological creatures that do, and a lot of other names that would have fit better.
22 • Fedora/Red Hat Installer (by RetiredIT on 2024-11-18 15:02:51 GMT from United States)
I am relieved that Fedora is FINALLY, after many years, motivated to bring out a new installer. I have always dreaded installing any Red Hat distro because the present installer is old, archaic and very difficult to work with unless you have used it many times and have worked out all the essenial oddball quirks. The same goes for Debian's non-graphical installer. Old and outdated. NO Linux distro should be that hard to install. Certain hard to use installers such as Red Hat's have probably held back many WinDoze users from coming over to Linux!
23 • Home Server (by Alessio on 2024-11-18 15:06:37 GMT from Italy)
FreeBSD. No doubt.
24 • Debian (by uz64 on 2024-11-18 15:20:45 GMT from United States)
AlmaLinux is basically at the whims of a corporation. In particular Red Hat--or more specifically, IBM--has them by the balls. When IBM decided to pull the plug on the "open-for-all" nature of Red Hat's source code, while Rocky Linux and others decided to take the time to come up with an alternate method to continue being a 100% faithful bug-for-bug RHEL clone, AlmaLinux quickly decided to take the easy way out and instead become an "ABI-compatible" clone of Red Hat. When a distro is so quick to take the path of least resistance, showing weakness, I would say that doesn't reflect too positively on the overall strength of the distribution. What are they going to do next time IBM decides to challenge them? How little will it really take before they just give up? Needless to say, I don't think AlmaLinux has proven to be a leader at all in the EL clone space when confronted with a challenge, but at the same time I'm not completely sure I'd recommend Rocky or any of the other RHEL clones either. Why? Simple: They are all at the mercy of IBM to some extent.
Just use Debian, don't waste your time with the potential BS that can come with using a corporate-backed distribution. Red Hat is more concerned about making money than anything else, which has become especially obvious under new leadership from IBM, and clone distros that redistribute their products for free are not their friends. And it is the users of those distros that will suffer the most. If you choose to use a Red Hat clone--any of them--be wary when reading claims of "ten years of support" inherited by the parent distro, and always consider the possibility of an early forced switch to another distribution.
25 • Why Alma, not Rocky? (by Orlando on 2024-11-18 15:19:31 GMT from Italy)
@6 illumos
Alma Linux is not a perfect replacement for RHEL like Rocky. This is a good thing, Alma is CentOS Stream stabilized and improved by Synergy and ElRepo repositories. Alma fixes RHEL's bugs with original patches (there are too many clones out there and they are able only to copy). Rocky Linux is a faithful copy of RHEL including bugs and missing software: this is sure, but users would be better off using Alma instead of a RHEL-clone for their servers (and enterprise desktop).
26 • fedora kde (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-18 16:35:47 GMT from Croatia)
@20
Gnome complete!?!?!!
trolololllol
that's why there are tons of extensions for it. Because it's "complete".
and with those gnome becomes buggy and unstable.
And with each new version gnome breaks compatibility with extensions.
if there is anything "complete" with gnome it's a complete mess
27 • fedora kde (by Abramo on 2024-11-18 21:04:33 GMT from The Netherlands)
@26
"Gnome complete? That's why there are tons of extensions for it. Because it's complete."
Gnome is complete because it works well without extensions. Only a DVD writing support at the level of K3b is missing.
28 • Void Linux (by Karl Vreski on 2024-11-18 23:01:12 GMT from Australia)
@10
Regarding Void Linux and elogind, from the available ISO, elogind is enabled by default. To install an alternative to elogind, it is likely you will have the following issue:
"Although seatd and turnstile aim to provide session management, they might not fully implement all the D-Bus interfaces and session tracking features required by some desktop components, particularly those expecting the org.freedesktop.login1 interface provided by logind or its alternatives like elogind.
To avoid using elogind and still have a functioning polkit agent, you would need to ensure that all components involved in session and privilege management are correctly set up to interact with seatd and turnstile. "
So, from what i can gather, although it is possible to install turnstile or seatd, to actually get them working properly on the system seems to be a massive challenge.
It might just be that as systemd grows more invasive and more applications become dependent on it to function, that a systemd-free linux is not possible and the only real alternative is FreeBSD
29 • Why Alma, not Rocky? (by illumos on 2024-11-18 23:20:43 GMT from Japan)
@25
This is not a good idea.
You don't want that many repositories on a server.
More software means more vulnerabilities.
Rocky is more secure than Alma and is better for servers.
30 • Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition (by bige on 2024-11-18 23:30:15 GMT from United States)
Congrats to fans of KDE+Fedora! My preferred DE is GNOME, and I hope that GNOME always remains the default DE for Fedora.
There are good reasons why GNOME is my choice. It is matured and clean looking. GNOME is easy to use. To use an application, just hit the Super/Windows key, and then type in the name of the application in the search bar.
31 • Home server (by Dk on 2024-11-18 23:53:19 GMT from Canada)
Having used debian for 20 + years my familiarity with that ecosystem would make me choose debian right away unless there was a very compelling use case to use another distribution. Anything more serious than a home server I would be looking at either debian or rehl. Although alma and rocky are both good distributions they do come with unecessary baggage. BSD would also be an option and once again that comes down to what role the server will be used for.
32 • Naming Confusion & AlmaLinux (by Vinfall on 2024-11-19 02:04:55 GMT from Hong Kong)
Some distros definitely need a more unique name. A while ago I was about to try Clean Linux OS (an Intel-backed distro) and accidentally downloaded Clear OS (a CentOS/RHEL-based distro, formerly ClarkConnect). This is very confusing.
@6: I found this kind of thing annoying as well. Rocky is truly bug-for-bug compatible and while AlmaLinux used to be code-for-code compatible, now it's only ABI compatible.
LWN.net only mentions AlmaLinux (along with Fedora & Red Hat) security updates, Azure endorses AlmaLinux, but AlmaLinux just sucks. Their website is terrible w/ or w/o JavaScript. Documentation is somewhere between Manjaro and Arch, no where close to Rocky (slightly better than Arch Wiki, but ofc more limited). I can't really figure out why everyone is going after it besides the idealogical reason.
33 • KDE vs Gnome, @15, @26 Tired Penguin (by Wally on 2024-11-19 02:58:56 GMT from Australia)
@ 15, 26 Tired Penguin, -One can differ in opinion without calling things crap or calling other people names. Don't like Gnome? Don't use it! I happen to like Gnome. I also like KDE. I use them both. Jesse just reviewed Kubuntu and he found KDE 6 overly complicated and using too much RAM. I differ. I find it quite easy for my use. Is he wrong? Am I? Neither. It's a matter of opinion and usage. I like the multiplicity of options, which let me set it up as I want. 1.3GB of RAM at idle is high in a PC with 2GB, but with 16 to 32Gb available, it's of no consequence. People use the word "snappy". Does it mean the apps pop up instantly? I find that startling and prefer a smooth glide. My work is not slowed by that. Lots of people love XFCE. I find it unaesthetic and somewhat agricultural. I detest scroll, hover and click category menus and prefer full-screen icon grids. Just my opinions, nothing else.
Gnome: As a desktop meant for the enterprise, with perhaps many cubicle denizens working away, the fewer distractions the better. Gnome excels at that. Simple. What you need is available with a click or a keystroke. Nothing more. Not for me, though. But wait! I can set up Gnome as a Windows lookalike like Zorin's or I can go all the way to full Compiz-like bling. All I need are extensions. Extensions are as easy to add and enable as is going through the choices in KDE's settings app. And there are thousands of them. It takes a popular, enjoyable and configurable DE to get that many people developing things for it. Extensions may break? Sure, if you stay on the bleeding edge. My wife's laptop has been running Ubuntu Jammy for 2.5 years without a hiccup. I run 24.04, good for 5 to 10 years.
Three screenshots: KDE, Gnome and some Gnome bling which I just tried for kicks and will delete.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/164785504@N08/
34 • Possible naming solution: ChimeraOS --> QuimeraOS (by X on 2024-11-19 07:18:05 GMT from United States)
This situation proved to be difficult, but, it had to be done. I believe both distributions should be included here. However, the naming is much too similar. Perhaps I may offer a suggestion to any ChimeraOS developers to propose an alternative without completely giving up the name. The Spanish version of Chimera is Quimera. Perhaps QuimeraOS could be acceptable to all.
I do not play games so I have no interest in the distribution. Chimera Linux might be closer to my needs (I will test it when I return to the States.) However, it appears to be moving in the right direction and I regret it lost out due to a minor issue. It is up to ChimeraOS developers to make a decision on how to proceed. Perhaps they have a better solution.
35 • response to gnome fanboys (by TiredPenguin on 2024-11-19 08:40:39 GMT from Croatia)
gnome is not complete. That's why most gnome users use some kind of extensions or in case of ubuntu (and some others), heavily modified versions.
The only reason gnome even exists is fanatism from fsf fanboys who considered qt to be evil for some reason only they understand.
And these fanatics were employed in linux companies pushing their insanity on managers to adopt gnome as default "desktop" instead of kde
and that is the main reason why linux is not more prevalent on the desktop.
Now slowly companies are comimg around.
36 • @35, Tired Penguin (by Wally on 2024-11-19 11:44:11 GMT from Australia)
@35, Tired Penguin"And these fanatics were employed in linux companies pushing their insanity on managers to adopt gnome as default "desktop" instead of kde
and that is the main reason why linux is not more prevalent on the desktop." -I see! So it's a conspiracy by insane fanatics who hate Qt and by us fanbois, designed to keep Linux down.
Definition of fanatic: a person exhibiting excessive enthusiasm and intense uncritical devotion toward some controversial matter.
If the shoe fits. . .
37 • gnomeism (by drosgher on 2024-11-19 11:47:07 GMT from Australia)
@30 you can hit the Super key and start typing to bring up an application in most DEs, it's not something exclusive to GNOME.
I tend to agree with @35
38 • Chimera chaos (by Mxgog0 on 2024-11-19 12:02:36 GMT from South Africa)
Like @34, I do not play games and thus the discussion is mainly academic. Which is why I want to register kudos to Jesse for a test report that was outstandingly clear, held my attention, and informed me of some large gaps in my own knowledge base. Thanks too for the other inputs of the DW gang, who never fail to inform and delight, opinionated though they be!
39 • @30 bige: (by dragonmouth on 2024-11-19 12:04:49 GMT from United States)
If you had used KDE for as long as you have used GNOME, KDE would be just as easy, if not easier. It's a fallacy to assume that just because you are familiar with something, it is easy.
40 • KDE v Gnome (by kc1di on 2024-11-19 12:05:26 GMT from United States)
I think KDE Vs Gnome is over blown and the one great thing about Linux is you have choices don't like one use the other or go completely different, most Distros offer a variety of DE choices. I like Cinnamon and KDE But have used XFCE depending upon the hardware. They all work and can be made to look mostly like you like it. No need to call people names for making a choice that is right for them. I'm personally glad Fedora has elevated KDE to be equal with Gnome. But it does not really change any thing as you can choose which one you want and install accordingly.
41 • @28 Karl Vreski: (by dragonmouth on 2024-11-19 12:10:15 GMT from United States)
"applications become dependent on it (systemd) to function"
A minor correction - "applications are MADE dependent on it to function"
42 • De War (again) (by Dhoni on 2024-11-19 12:13:48 GMT from Indonesia)
IMO for de, what work for you maybe dont work for other, and vice versa.
my work laptop use gnome, it's what comfortable for me and my work flow.
my other laptop use kde, because why not??
my workspace on vm/vps always use xfce, simple stuff that work.
thats the beauty of linux..
43 • LXqt (by illumos on 2024-11-19 12:44:50 GMT from Japan)
Why do lightweight distros use Xfce instead of LXqt?
In theory, LXqt is more lightweight than Xfce.
44 • GNOME vs KDE war (by Arlo on 2024-11-19 15:21:37 GMT from Italy)
The Qt Development Frameworks is Nokia's proprietary software. That is why the Linux community has focused more on GNOME, which is made “in house.” This is not fanaticism; it is called freedom. GNOME has also focused on a radical change of the desktop from Windows (which not everyone likes). GNOME works well without extensions, and those who want extensions do so at their own risk. The real problem I have encountered in GNOME and GTK4 lies in the fact that, on my old pc with an old Intel processor, it is as heavy as a boulder: for example, a transfer of 20 GB of data from the Blu-Ray Disk to the Sata3 SSD drive sends the cpu to temperatures of 96 degrees Celsius. I do not experience this problem when I use KDE Plasma: so the problem is not my hardware (both KDE and LXQt run fine) but an inherent heaviness of the GNOME desktop and its libraries. I am therefore forced to use Qt-based desktops. GNOME is fine, the GUI is not a real problem, the “in house” principle is rational, but we need to restructure the code under the hood of the GNOME desktop and GTK4 libraries.
45 • Qt (by Jesse on 2024-11-19 15:45:42 GMT from Canada)
@44: "The Qt Development Frameworks is Nokia's proprietary software."
No, it is not. Qt is developed and shared under an open license. If Qt were ever to be made non-free software, the KDE foundation has an agreement in place to allow KDE to continue developing an open fork of Qt.
"This is not fanaticism; it is called freedom."
It's wild misinformation.
46 • @6 - Rocky (by Brad on 2024-11-19 22:40:26 GMT from United States)
"Rocky Linux is a faithful copy of RHEL including bugs."
I have always found this amusing, and indicative of the larger problems facing Linux in general.
Why would *anyone* consider using a distro that was cloned from RHEL, and remains "100% bug-for-bug" compatible? Do their developers have more than enough time on their hands to continually squash bugs every time a new version of RHEL comes out?
Do the end users who are using this distro care about its inherent instability? For the home user, perhaps not a big deal, but for those running "mission-critical" applications - they would probably have to hire internal IT staff to deal with the bugs. Insanity!
Too many distros - and its no wonder the larger computer-using community is hesitant to move on from Windows!
47 • Feedbacks (by Erren on 2024-11-20 00:18:27 GMT from Philippines)
Has anyone checked out the latest comments on the DistroWatch Weekly? There’s some pretty interesting takes on lightweight versus full-featured Linux distributions. It’s like the eternal debate in the Linux community
48 • Gnome (by Devlin7 on 2024-11-20 00:21:06 GMT from New Zealand)
I was recently testing Gnome and ran into an interesting and seemingly impossible issue. I like having my browser icon on the dash/dock (or whatever it is called) but I noticed that if it was docked it disappeared from the ALL apps view at the top. In an effort to get both visible, I docked my browser icon and then attempted to drag it to the menu. Gnome crashed, the screen was blank but there was the browser icon sitting above where the dock was but not quite on where the menu would be. It was just an image, the icon was not able to be clicked or moved. I logged out and in, I had a working gnome except the the icon showed in the same place like it was burnt into the screen. I then rebooted, logged in again, and there was was again, a phantom icon..
49 • @48 • Gnome (by Devlin7, @44, Arlo (by Wally on 2024-11-20 07:14:40 GMT from Australia)
@48, "I docked my browser icon and then attempted to drag it to the menu" I'm confused. If you are testing stock Gnome, there is no dock on the desktop, and there is no menu. 'Super" brings up the overview with the dash (dock) and virtual desktops. "Super+a" brings up the app grid and dash. You can drag from the grid to the dash and back all you want, but if you pin an app to the dash it will not be on the grid, and vice versa. In either grid or dash, all apps will be visible, so I suppose what you want is for your browser to show twice? I tried replicating what you say you did even adding dock, panel and menu extensions, but anything I tried to drag through the desktop just bounced back to the dock and nothing changed.. Can't speak to your 'ghost' icon, but you might try opening Files to to the Desktop folder and see if anything is there to delete.
50 • Debian vs AlmaLinux OS (by DaveT on 2024-11-20 11:02:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
In the olden days I used distributions that use rpm as the package manager. I tolerated rpm because I didn't know any better. Red Hat mainly with Yellow Dog (they gave us YUM) on my Motorola powerpc iMacs.
Then I discovered Debian and apt so from 2004 I never used an rpm distro at home again (OpenBSD on the iMacs!).
At work I had to take into account management fears and so I specified Red Hat for servers and my desktop.
Things change over time, so as long as the hardware is supported my servers are OpenBSD.
My daily driver laptop is OpenBSD.
My media setup and unsupported server hardware is Devuan linux for obvious reasons...
51 • Poll Query (by Otis on 2024-11-20 18:39:30 GMT from United States)
Alma Linux is on this laptop, but strictly as a work station/game machine.
52 • Debian or Alma (by pepa65 on 2024-11-20 22:47:56 GMT from Thailand)
I voted Debian, and I am using Debian for a few servers, but my go-to for servers (including my home server) is Ubuntu LTS (on the desktop I use Linux Mint). But voting Debian gives a nod to Debian, the mother of all .deb based distributions.
RedHat 5.1 was the first Linux I tried, but never took to the .rpm based repo system, hugely preferring .deb.
53 • Elogind (by rhtoras on 2024-11-22 09:13:59 GMT from Greece)
@28 I can see what you say but it is not fully correct. You can live without elogind if you want but there are some things to sacrifice. It works but not all software could work. It is understandable but antix shows it is possible to live without. As for systemD it forces the devs to adopt it in their software and we all know how. Btw there is an iso from refracta linux where you can use it without dbus. Go check it. It is difficult but possible.
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| • Issue 1155 (2026-01-12): MenuetOS, CDE on Sparky, iDeal OS 2025.12.07, recommended flavour of BSD, Debian seeks new Data Protection Team, Ubuntu 25.04 nears its end of life, Google limits Android source code releases, Fedora plans to replace SDDM, Budgie migrates to Wayland |
| • Issue 1154 (2026-01-05): postmarketOS 25.06/25.12, switching to Linux and educational resources, FreeBSD improving laptop support, Unix v4 available for download, new X11 server in development, CachyOS team plans server edtion |
| • Issue 1153 (2025-12-22): Best projects of 2025, is software ever truly finished?, Firefox to adopt AI components, Asahi works on improving the install experience, Mageia presents plans for version 10 |
| • Issue 1152 (2025-12-15): OpenBSD 7.8, filtering websites, Jolla working on a Linux phone, Germany saves money with Linux, Ubuntu to package AMD tools, Fedora demonstrates AI troubleshooting, Haiku packages Go language |
| • Issue 1151 (2025-12-08): FreeBSD 15.0, fun command line tricks, Canonical presents plans for Ubutnu 26.04, SparkyLinux updates CDE packages, Redox OS gets modesetting driver |
| • Issue 1150 (2025-12-01): Gnoppix 25_10, exploring if distributions matter, openSUSE updates tumbleweed's boot loader, Fedora plans better handling of broken packages, Plasma to become Wayland-only, FreeBSD publishes status report |
| • Issue 1149 (2025-11-24): MX Linux 25, why are video drivers special, systemd experiments with musl, Debian Libre Live publishes new media, Xubuntu reviews website hack |
| • Issue 1148 (2025-11-17): Zorin OS 18, deleting a file with an unusual name, NetBSD experiments with sandboxing, postmarketOS unifies its documentation, OpenBSD refines upgrades, Canonical offers 15 years of support for Ubuntu |
| • Issue 1147 (2025-11-10): Fedora 43, the size and stability of the Linux kernel, Debian introducing Rust to APT, Redox ports web engine, Kubuntu website off-line, Mint creates new troubleshooting tools, FreeBSD improves reproducible builds, Flatpak development resumes |
| • Issue 1146 (2025-11-03): StartOS 0.4.0, testing piped commands, Ubuntu Unity seeks help, Canonical offers Ubuntu credentials, Red Hat partners with NVIDIA, SUSE to bundle AI agent with SLE 16 |
| • Issue 1145 (2025-10-27): Linux Mint 7 "LMDE", advice for new Linux users, AlmaLinux to offer Btrfs, KDE launches Plasma 6.5, Fedora accepts contributions written by AI, Ubuntu 25.10 fails to install automatic updates |
| • Issue 1144 (2025-10-20): Kubuntu 25.10, creating and restoring encrypted backups, Fedora team debates AI, FSF plans free software for phones, ReactOS addresses newer drivers, Xubuntu reacts to website attack |
| • Issue 1143 (2025-10-13): openSUSE 16.0 Leap, safest source for new applications, Redox introduces performance improvements, TrueNAS Connect available for testing, Flatpaks do not work on Ubuntu 25.10, Kamarada plans to switch its base, Solus enters new epoch, Frugalware discontinued |
| • Issue 1142 (2025-10-06): Linux Kamarada 15.6, managing ZIP files with SQLite, F-Droid warns of impact of Android lockdown, Alpine moves ahead with merged /usr, Cinnamon gets a redesigned application menu |
| • Issue 1141 (2025-09-29): KDE Linux and GNOME OS, finding mobile flavours of Linux, Murena to offer phones with kill switches, Redox OS running on a smartphone, Artix drops GNOME |
| • Issue 1140 (2025-09-22): NetBSD 10.1, avoiding AI services, AlmaLinux enables CRB repository, Haiku improves disk access performance, Mageia addresses service outage, GNOME 49 released, Linux introduces multikernel support |
| • Issue 1139 (2025-09-15): EasyOS 7.0, Linux and central authority, FreeBSD running Plasma 6 on Wayland, GNOME restores X11 support temporarily, openSUSE dropping BCacheFS in new kernels |
| • Issue 1138 (2025-09-08): Shebang 25.8, LibreELEC 12.2.0, Debian GNU/Hurd 2025, the importance of software updates, AerynOS introduces package sets, postmarketOS encourages patching upstream, openSUSE extends Leap support, Debian refreshes Trixie media |
| • Issue 1137 (2025-09-01): Tribblix 0m37, malware scanners flagging Linux ISO files, KDE introduces first-run setup wizard, CalyxOS plans update prior to infrastructure overhaul, FreeBSD publishes status report |
| • Issue 1136 (2025-08-25): CalyxOS 6.8.20, distros for running containers, Arch Linux website under attack,illumos Cafe launched, CachyOS creates web dashboard for repositories |
| • Issue 1135 (2025-08-18): Debian 13, Proton, WINE, Wayland, and Wayback, Debian GNU/Hurd 2025, KDE gets advanced Liquid Glass, Haiku improves authentication tools |
| • Issue 1134 (2025-08-11): Rhino Linux 2025.3, thoughts on malware in the AUR, Fedora brings hammered websites back on-line, NetBSD reveals features for version 11, Ubuntu swaps some command line tools for 25.10, AlmaLinux improves NVIDIA support |
| • Issue 1133 (2025-08-04): Expirion Linux 6.0, running Plasma on Linux Mint, finding distros which support X11, Debian addresses 22 year old bug, FreeBSD discusses potential issues with pkgbase, CDE ported to OpenBSD, Btrfs corruption bug hitting Fedora users, more malware found in Arch User Repository |
| • Issue 1132 (2025-07-28): deepin 25, wars in the open source community, proposal to have Fedora enable Flathub repository, FreeBSD plans desktop install option, Wayback gets its first release |
| • Issue 1131 (2025-07-21): HeliumOS 10.0, settling on one distro, Mint plans new releases, Arch discovers malware in AUR, Plasma Bigscreen returns, Clear Linux discontinued |
| • Issue 1130 (2025-07-14): openSUSE MicroOS and RefreshOS, sharing aliases between computers, Bazzite makes Bazaar its default Flatpak store, Alpine plans Wayback release, Wayland and X11 benchmarked, Red Hat offers additional developer licenses, openSUSE seeks feedback from ARM users, Ubuntu 24.10 reaches the end of its life |
| • Issue 1129 (2025-07-07): GLF OS Omnislash, the worst Linux distro, Alpine introduces Wayback, Fedora drops plans to stop i686 support, AlmaLinux builds EPEL repository for older CPUs, Ubuntu dropping existing RISC-V device support, Rhino partners with UBports, PCLinuxOS recovering from website outage |
| • Issue 1128 (2025-06-30): AxOS 25.06, AlmaLinux OS 10.0, transferring Flaptak bundles to off-line computers, Ubuntu to boost Intel graphics performance, Fedora considers dropping i686 packages, SDesk switches from SELinux to AppArmor |
| • Issue 1127 (2025-06-23): LastOSLinux 2025-05-25, most unique Linux distro, Haiku stabilises, KDE publishes Plasma 6.4, Arch splits Plasma packages, Slackware infrastructure migrating |
| • Issue 1126 (2025-06-16): SDesk 2025.05.06, renewed interest in Ubuntu Touch, a BASIC device running NetBSD, Ubuntu dropping X11 GNOME session, GNOME increases dependency on systemd, Google holding back Pixel source code, Nitrux changing its desktop, EFF turns 35 |
| • Issue 1125 (2025-06-09): RHEL 10, distributions likely to survive a decade, Murena partners with more hardware makers, GNOME tests its own distro on real hardware, Redox ports GTK and X11, Mint provides fingerprint authentication |
| • Issue 1124 (2025-06-02): Picking up a Pico, tips for protecting privacy, Rhino tests Plasma desktop, Arch installer supports snapshots, new features from UBports, Ubuntu tests monthly snapshots |
| • Issue 1123 (2025-05-26): CRUX 3.8, preventing a laptop from sleeping, FreeBSD improves laptop support, Fedora confirms GNOME X11 session being dropped, HardenedBSD introduces Rust in userland build, KDE developing a virtual machine manager |
| • Issue 1122 (2025-05-19): GoboLinux 017.01, RHEL 10.0 and Debian 12 updates, openSUSE retires YaST, running X11 apps on Wayland |
| • Issue 1121 (2025-05-12): Bluefin 41, custom file manager actions, openSUSE joins End of 10 while dropping Deepin desktop, Fedora offers tips for building atomic distros, Ubuntu considers replacing sudo with sudo-rs |
| • Issue 1120 (2025-05-05): CachyOS 250330, what it means when a distro breaks, Kali updates repository key, Trinity receives an update, UBports tests directory encryption, Gentoo faces losing key infrastructure |
| • Issue 1119 (2025-04-28): Ubuntu MATE 25.04, what is missing from Linux, CachyOS ships OCCT, Debian enters soft freeze, Fedora discusses removing X11 session from GNOME, Murena plans business services, NetBSD on a Wii |
| • Issue 1118 (2025-04-21): Fedora 42, strange characters in Vim, Nitrux introduces new package tools, Fedora extends reproducibility efforts, PINE64 updates multiple devices running Debian |
| • Issue 1117 (2025-04-14): Shebang 25.0, EndeavourOS 2025.03.19, running applications from other distros on the desktop, Debian gets APT upgrade, Mint introduces OEM options for LMDE, postmarketOS packages GNOME 48 and COSMIC, Redox testing USB support |
| • Issue 1116 (2025-04-07): The Sense HAT, Android and mobile operating systems, FreeBSD improves on laptops, openSUSE publishes many new updates, Fedora appoints new Project Leader, UBports testing VoLTE |
| • Issue 1115 (2025-03-31): GrapheneOS 2025, the rise of portable package formats, MidnightBSD and openSUSE experiment with new package management features, Plank dock reborn, key infrastructure projects lose funding, postmarketOS to focus on reliability |
| • Issue 1114 (2025-03-24): Bazzite 41, checking which processes are writing to disk, Rocky unveils new Hardened branch, GNOME 48 released, generating images for the Raspberry Pi |
| • Issue 1113 (2025-03-17): MocaccinoOS 1.8.1, how to contribute to open source, Murena extends on-line installer, Garuda tests COSMIC edition, Ubuntu to replace coreutils with Rust alternatives, Chimera Linux drops RISC-V builds |
| • Issue 1112 (2025-03-10): Solus 4.7, distros which work with Secure Boot, UBports publishes bug fix, postmarketOS considers a new name, Debian running on Android |
| • Issue 1111 (2025-03-03): Orbitiny 0.01, the effect of Ubuntu Core Desktop, Gentoo offers disk images, elementary OS invites feature ideas, FreeBSD starts PinePhone Pro port, Mint warns of upcoming Firefox issue |
| • Issue 1110 (2025-02-24): iodeOS 6.0, learning to program, Arch retiring old repositories, openSUSE makes progress on reproducible builds, Fedora is getting more serious about open hardware, Tails changes its install instructions to offer better privacy, Murena's de-Googled tablet goes on sale |
| • Issue 1109 (2025-02-17): Rhino Linux 2025.1, MX Linux 23.5 with Xfce 4.20, replacing X.Org tools with Wayland tools, GhostBSD moving its base to FreeBSD -RELEASE, Redox stabilizes its ABI, UBports testing 24.04, Asahi changing its leadership, OBS in dispute with Fedora |
| • Issue 1108 (2025-02-10): Serpent OS 0.24.6, Aurora, sharing swap between distros, Peppermint tries Void base, GTK removinglegacy technologies, Red Hat plans more AI tools for Fedora, TrueNAS merges its editions |
| • Issue 1107 (2025-02-03): siduction 2024.1.0, timing tasks, Lomiri ported to postmarketOS, Alpine joins Open Collective, a new desktop for Linux called Orbitiny |
| • Issue 1106 (2025-01-27): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta 6, Pop!_OS 24.04 Alpha 5, detecting whether a process is inside a virtual machine, drawing graphics to NetBSD terminal, Nix ported to FreeBSD, GhostBSD hosting desktop conference |
| • Issue 1105 (2025-01-20): CentOS 10 Stream, old Flatpak bundles in software centres, Haiku ports Iceweasel, Oracle shows off debugging tools, rsync vulnerability patched |
| • Issue 1104 (2025-01-13): DAT Linux 2.0, Silly things to do with a minimal computer, Budgie prepares Wayland only releases, SteamOS coming to third-party devices, Murena upgrades its base |
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LinuxTLE
LinuxTLE was a community Linux distribution developed in Thailand and designed for the Thai speaking audience. The early versions were based on Red Hat Linux and Fedora, but starting with version 8.0, the developers have chosen Ubuntu as the distribution's new base system.
Status: Discontinued
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