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1 • Dual Boot (by penguinx86 on 2024-08-26 01:37:18 GMT from United States)
This isn't the first time MS updates break dual booting with Linux. To fix it, I usually had to reinstall BOTH operating systems. That's why I gave up on dual booting and now I use VMs with Virtualbox or UTM instead. Setting up dual boot was a good learning experience in a test environment, but it doesn't seem practical in for production systems.
2 • Fixing Microsoft Linux dual book breakage (by Peter on 2024-08-26 02:47:22 GMT from United States)
Found this site and used it yesterday to fix my desktop box:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-shares-temp-fix-for-linux-boot-issues-on-dual-boot-systems/
Notes:
1. Be sure to reboot after step 2 to import the newly changed UEFI data. Don't overlook this by reading too quickly.
2. If using a Debian USB stick you will need a network connection to "sudo apt install mokutil" after each reboot.
Worked for me. Good luck.
3 • Source builds (by 0323pin on 2024-08-26 04:20:22 GMT from The Netherlands)
Although, I have built the whole OS from source a few times, this is not what I do most of the time. On the other hand, I run NetBSD current and do build all my packages from source, including some customized to build the packages straight from upstream latest git commit.
4 • Dual boot problem (by Bobbie Sellers on 2024-08-26 04:35:16 GMT from United States)
I used to use Duat-boot but gave it up when I learned that breaking the UEFI system
is common when Windows does a kernel update. If for some hell-spawned reason
I ever have to use Windows it will be in a Virtual Box protecting my GNU/Linux
system from the Windows disaster.
Like OpenMandriva, PCLinuxOS is slowly de-emphasizing Computer Control Center
as new programs that do not fit in CCC are coming along. If I can manage to keep
up with the changes it will be no problem, not with PCLinuxOS Forum:
<https://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php>
bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.06- Linux 6.6.47-pclos1- KDE Plasma 5.27.11
5 • From src (by LFS on 2024-08-26 05:34:07 GMT from United States)
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lfs
6 • Double-booting Windows and Linux (by Microlinux on 2024-08-26 05:41:00 GMT from France)
Back in 2001 (just before Windows XP came out), I double-booted Windows 2000 Pro and Slackware Linux 7.1... until Windows' antivirus decided my LILO bootloader was some malware and wiped it without further confirmation, thus making my setup unusable.
Instead of painstakingly reinstalling both systems, this was the exact moment I decided I've had enough with Microsoft's bullshit. So I repartitioned my disk and went 100 % GNU/Linux. The learning curve back then was quite steep, but hey, still one of the best decisions of my life.
7 • Nobara/Fedora (by Pumpino on 2024-08-26 06:25:56 GMT from Australia)
I haven't tried Nobara for a while, but I recently installed Fedora 40. It installed its grub over my existing grub in Ubuntu. That's not unexpected, but it didn't have an entry for itself - only for Ubuntu. I had to boot into Ubuntu, run update-grub and then install it again just so I could boot into Fedora.
Once I booted into Fedora, I set GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=false and reinstalled grub, which added an entry for Fedora. However, kernel updates weren't added to grub, so I gave up.
Honestly, if a distro like Nobara can't boot and Fedora doesn't even add an entry for itself in grub, they should give it away.
8 • OpenMandriva (by Pumpino on 2024-08-26 06:37:24 GMT from Australia)
Am I right in thinking that OpenMandriva only offers KDE, Gnome and LxQt ISOs? There's no XFCE, Mate or Cinnamon? That seems limited.
9 • dual booting (by Will on 2024-08-26 13:12:02 GMT from United States)
I used to dual boot, even triple boot on mac, then I got sick of windows and as much as I didn't want to, moved away from mac as way too expensive to be dumbing down the os with ios features intended for a phone screen instead of my giant hi-res display. For the last two years, I have happily lived in a linux/freebsd world and lately, it's been all linux.
As for building from source, I do it when stuff doesn't work otb or won't install from apt or a tarball, which is getting rarer and rarer and rarer.
10 • Dual booting (by moulder61 on 2024-08-26 13:34:41 GMT from United Kingdom)
@1
Not sure why you would need to reinstall Linux after the bootloader(if it was the bootloader?) was trashed by Windows? Unless Windows is doing something very naughty on purpose? Could happen!
If I was going to use Windows it would only be in a VM. It's not hard for me NOT to use Windows. :)
I currently multiboot about 20 Linuxes, and when(quite often) I install one that buggers up my bootloader I find SuperGrubDisk2 is a life saver. It detects all the installed systems and lets you boot into one of them so you can reinstall the bootloader and be on your way. Highly recommended.
11 • Nobara 40 KDE Plasma (by Otis on 2024-08-26 15:02:34 GMT from United States)
I still shy away from Gnome, in any iteration or "default" configuration supplied by the distro. So the KDE releases from Nobara are welcome.
I have not been able to make Nobara installations behave as reported in Jesse's review. I installed, re-installed, and did one more time on my Acer Aspire A517 with Nvidia etc. It just installs normally, fires up and is ready to configure.
This does make me wonder about hardware, of course. Having successfully installed the parent distro, Fedora, prior to Nobars, as Jesse tells us, still does not rule out the possibility of Nobara perhaps not being as good a fit for his hardware as Fedora (the nuances thereof I am not educated in). ??
12 • Nobara 40 (by Eric on 2024-08-26 15:17:50 GMT from United States)
Nobara has worked perfectly fine for me, so I don't think your problem was anything to do with the OS. Sounds like a you problem or extremely bad luck. Not a good reason to dismiss it.
13 • Nobara 40 Official edition now is KDE (by Carlos Felipe Araujo on 2024-08-26 16:24:26 GMT from Brazil)
We offer FIVE versions of Nobara:
Official – Nobara’s Custom themed version of KDE
GNOME – Clean version of GNOME
KDE – Clean version of KDE
Steam-HTPC – Nobara customized to look/feel like Steam Deck, built for HTPCs, uses KDE.
Steam-Handheld – Nobara customized to look/feel like Steam Deck, built for Handheld devices, uses KDE.
14 • Reinstall after Windows trashed UEFI partition. (by Bobbie Sellers on 2024-08-26 18:57:52 GMT from United States)
When people do not say which distro they are using it is difficult to off advice.
It should not be necessary to reinstall the whole distro.
In PCLinuxOS we can boot the live installer and use "Redo Bootloader"
which if nothing else is too messed up and the user recalls his partitions
and boot setup will do the job. I think all such install Live Media should
have such a device as "Redo Bootloader".
Along with the reviewer I started with Mandriva and wanted to find a
good fork after Mandriva became focused on its business problems
and settled on PCLinuxOS in 2014. OpenMandriva was not in the
running and Mageia was using systemd which I had no desire to
learn how to use.
bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.06- Linux 6.6.47-pclos1- KDE Plasma 5.27.11
15 • Fedora derivatives (by Orlando on 2024-08-26 22:44:44 GMT from Italy)
Nobara: another Fedora derivative useful for those looking for problems. It is better to use 'Fedora Games Lab' at this point.
16 • Dual booting, secure boot and Nvidia drivers (by Andy on 2024-08-27 02:37:42 GMT from Romania)
I had no problems with dual boot on my system running the latest Ubuntu 24.04 and Windows 11 with all the updates installed on an Asus PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI with AMD Ryzen 7700X.
I do have problems because of Secure Boot because newer Nvidia drivers are not properly signed for secure boot so I can only run an older version of them and since I am dual booting with Windows 11 (because I have to) I can't disable Secure Boot.
17 • DUal booting, secure boot, @16 (by Kilroy the Great on 2024-08-27 02:58:12 GMT from United States)
@16, "with Windows 11, I can't disable Secure Boot." I don't see why. I boot Ubuntu, Debian and Windows 11 with secure boot disabled. Because I've multi-booted distros in the past that could not boot with secure boot, I've never bothered to enable it. Never a peep from Windows. I don't much use Windows these days and I have it in a VM just in case, but it's still there like the guest who came to dinner. One of these days I may remove it. No rush.
18 • Games on Fedora, just incase you could not install Nobara. (by Tran Older on 2024-08-27 04:23:11 GMT from Vietnam)
Download and install latest Fedora-Games-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-xxx.iso. Replace XFCE with Plasma 6 or Gnome. Update the Wine layer.
19 • Dual booting, secure boot (by Punpino on 2024-08-27 04:44:11 GMT from Australia)
@17. If Windows was installed with secure boot enabled, will it still boot with it disabled? I'm not sure that it will.
I no longer use Windows either, so I may be wrong about that.
20 • @19, secure boot (by Kilroy the Great on 2024-08-27 09:35:37 GMT from United States)
"If Windows was installed with secure boot enabled, will it still boot with it disabled?" Yes. The requirement is for the hardware to be capable, with TPM 2.0, not necessarily enabled. Disabling may be made easier or more difficult by the PC manufacturers.
21 • Building the OS from source code (by James on 2024-08-27 10:32:53 GMT from United States)
LOL, total GUI guy here. Couldn't find source ocode let alone build any. Linux is not just for geeks anymore.
22 • Dual Boot (by GreginNC on 2024-08-27 18:14:45 GMT from United States)
@16, Win 11 does not require secure boot to run only to install, disable secure boot after and Win11 will run normally (at least as "normally" as Windows ever does).
I wonder how many people still use a boot loader to choose their OS, almost all computers from the last decade have a boot menu to choose which disk to boot from and Hard Drives have never been cheaper than today. I myself have 1 M2 SSD and 7 spinning Hard Drives with the SSD for Windows (for gaming purposes only), and 1 Spinning drive for Linux with the other 6 for data storage. Having your OS's on their own drives avoids many potential issue with one OS interfering with the booting of the other.
23 • elaboration (by GreinNC on 2024-08-27 18:19:36 GMT from United States)
I should have said having your OS's on their own drives with their own boot loaders on those respective drives. Most everyone would know I meant that but wanted to clarify since there is no edit option here.
24 • Dual boot (by Ali on 2024-08-27 19:55:30 GMT from Iran)
Fortunately my laptop doesn't have secure boot. I have two separate uefi partitions for windows 11 and Rocky linux and don't have problem with updating windows.
25 • , @ 22, Dual boot (by Kilroy the Great on 2024-08-28 03:32:20 GMT from United States)
@16, "Win 11 does not require secure boot to run only to install" All that's required is the capability for secure boot for installing or for running. Secure boot need not be enabled. TPM 2.0 must be available and enabled for both installing or running. Some workarounds were available, but that's not for this forum.
"Having your OS's on their own drives avoids many potential issue with one OS interfering with the booting of the other." If you do it properly, there should be no issues. I've been multi-booting with Windows and a variety of distros since XP, on shared drives. With BIOS, if one reinstalled Windows, the bootloader needed to be reinstalled, so it was better to install Windows first, then Linux. With UEFI it should not be a problem, except one may have to change 'boot priority' in UEFI settings.
26 • Dual boot (by Pumpino on 2024-08-28 03:41:09 GMT from Australia)
Using rEFInd rather than grub certainly makes life easier in most cases. It works well on two of my machines, but there's a long pause before rEFInd is displayed on my ThinkPad, so I had to resort to grub on it.
27 • Source builds (by Robert on 2024-08-29 17:10:53 GMT from United States)
Many long years ago I ran LFS. These days I avoid source builds when I can, but there are some things on the AUR that I need.
28 • Source (by Landor on 2024-08-29 20:11:23 GMT from Canada)
It's been a long time since I've used a source based distribution. As some are aware I enjoy Gentoo and believe it's a great project.
Recently I've considered building it again with either a simple WM or using Mate. I liked the KDE 3 series and would consider using it instead except I never enjoyed the default layout/theme and at this stage of the game I just want a DE or WM that stays out of my way and is far lighter than the DEs of today. So I'll probably either go for Openbox or Mate.
This week I was actually refreshing my memory on using multiple systems to speed up the compile time and searching for information on using a phone(s) as an additional resource as well.
I might wait and build it as a project for the colder, darker months to come. I may even build Crux if it's still around as a comparison.
Keep your stick on the ice,
Landor...
29 • Source (by qwerty1234 on 2024-08-29 21:19:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
@28; Good to see a favourable mention of MATE! At least there's one distro that is comfortable with an HDPI monitor and setting up an LVM-encrypted disk. All the menu items are in a place God intended.
30 • Windows+Linux Dual Boot (by Some Random User on 2024-08-30 21:06:30 GMT from United States)
As long as my vender has BIOS/UEFI updates, I need to dual boot.
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