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1 • Minimal devices (by Otis on 2024-04-15 01:16:24 GMT from United States)
Better ones became less expensive over the years. So.. donated the other ones to various entities that needed anything they could get.
2 • Newer versions of software (by Vinfall on 2024-04-15 02:46:11 GMT from Hong Kong)
Backports & official or at least trustworthy 3rd party repos are quite common. Portable packages & 3rd party package manager works too. But there should be an *easier* way if you only need a few newer packages: Just compile from source code.
Dependencies are hard to deal with for sure, if you are not on a weird distro like Linux from Scratch or Slackware. And it's easy for beginners to break the system like making a FrankenDebian (https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian).
However, many packages just require a minimum version of dependency, instead of a fixed one. In these cases, just get the tarball, make (and probably make test) and make install, done. It's also a good way to learn how packaging works besides writing boring PKGBUILD files.
3 • Why the rush (by Allan on 2024-04-15 02:53:12 GMT from Mexico)
I started using Linux with Manjaro, then Arch. I met Linux from the perspective of a hunger for always the new. Sometimes is good or needed. But now I use Debian and discovered a massive amount of free new time. Also most of the software I use have kind of two years release so I really don't mind the gap.
4 • Newer versions of software / Portable packages / AppImages (by Ivan on 2024-04-15 03:43:33 GMT from Italy)
Since AppImages are packages that are difficult to update automatically, I built a CLI and an AUR-style database for them containing installation scripts:
- https://github.com/ivan-hc/AM
I have also published an alternative catalog to the various AppImageHubs:
- https://portable-linux-apps.github.io/
Mine is an amateur project aimed at encouraging developers to re-adopt the AppImage packaging format, now less and less used also due to an update system that before I wrote this CLI (which I called "AM"/"AppMan") was not available.
In most cases, updates are obtained through a comparison system between the installed version and the version available online. Where possible, however, AppImages are updateable using "zsync".
The database, at this moment, contains over 1900 installation scripts, each dedicated to a different app. Not only AppImage, but also tar/zip packages of portable apps such as Firefox, Blender and Tor Browser can be easily managed using my CLI.
Lastly, a few weeks ago I introduced the possibility of using a configuration file that will allow you to use third-party databases that are compatible with my CLI. I added this last feature to allow anyone to maintain a database different from the default one, in case I no longer connect to github in the future.
5 • minimal computing (by Ed Grey on 2024-04-15 04:52:25 GMT from United States)
I put down yes, other device because of my collection of original eepcs, and other odd underpowered netbooks.
I wonder how many people are using these old netbooks still.
regards, Ed
6 • eeepc (by peer on 2024-04-15 07:10:03 GMT from The Netherlands)
I use a eeepc (1000h) every day.
7 • Odroid (by Luca on 2024-04-15 07:19:15 GMT from Italy)
My home server runs on an Odroid-C2. I use it as a print server, backup server (using Seafile), I detect home bell ringing and send notifications using Telegram, I backup my VPS locally using rsync, I send heartbeats to my VPS in order to detect power outages in my home, etc,
8 • talk (by xChris on 2024-04-15 08:27:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
'talk' .... I had *epic* time with that early 90s, alternative to long distance phone calls! chatting with a friend 2500 km away from me, I was remote connected to a 'local' unix system, my friend used shared systems at his uni (both running SunOS IIRC)
9 • Does an old desktop count as a minimalist device? (by DaveB on 2024-04-15 10:00:05 GMT from Australia)
My home server is a second hand desktop with 4GB RAM & a Core 2 Quad CPU - probably around 15 years old. Running multiple services. Does the job wonderfully due to the fact it is running Linux.
10 • RPi (by Someguy on 2024-04-15 10:07:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
Got three iterations - never use them now!
11 • minimal device (by JIm on 2024-04-15 10:21:12 GMT from United States)
I would love an open source phone, but won't be getting one until a major carrier offers it ready to go. And at my age that probably won't be in my lifetime.
12 • minimal (by Gary W on 2024-04-15 11:15:57 GMT from Australia)
@5 I also have an original eeepc 701, circa 2007. It works fine, EXE GNU/Linux (with TDE, based on Devuan) is a good fit. Better than an RPi (for me) as it has an integrated screen, keyboard, storage, ports, etc.
Of course it is way underpowered for browsing the Web, but does well supporting my old Canon LIDE scanner (which a lot of other distros don't).
13 • Fedora and Libreoffice Flatpak (by Arvo on 2024-04-15 12:37:05 GMT from Italy)
I have heard that Fedora will soon no longer provide Libreoffice (only via Flatpak). I wonder: will Libreoffice Flatpak include the JRE? Does anyone know the answer?
14 • Easy to maintain (by Allan on 2024-04-15 14:04:27 GMT from Mexico)
I hope that this situation in which everyday is easier to have a base stable system and other options for up to date software evolve to the point of made it easier for distributions to only maintain that base system and not have to mess with extra repositories. That would make them a lot more sustainable.
15 • Media streaming section (by MC on 2024-04-15 14:14:41 GMT from United States)
Why not install yt-dlp from your package manager or from pip even? (I'm not advocating for pip.) yt-dlp updates fairly often in my experience, and these updates are necessary to keep the software working with changes on the platforms it is pulling content from.
I assume you tried using mpv rather than mplayer directly, and that this did not work out for you for some reason or another. You can greatly simplify the streaming setup using mpv, since it can accept a URL as an argument, and if necessary, use yt-dlp to retrieve the data. This is my 'general' solution, since some of the media I want to stream are directly streamable, and some require yt-dlp, so I let mpv do the brain work for me.
16 • yt-dlp (by Jesse on 2024-04-15 15:30:18 GMT from Canada)
@15: "Why not install yt-dlp from your package manager or from pip even? (I'm not advocating for pip.) yt-dlp updates fairly often in my experience, and these updates are necessary to keep the software working with changes on the platforms it is pulling content from."
You just answered your own question. Most distributions don't keep yt-dlp up to date in their repositories so it won't work after you install it from most fixed or LTS releases.Also, if you install from your distro repo (like with Raspbian or UBports - the subject distros of the article) then the built-in update feature doesn't work in yt-dlp. The distro patches it out. Installing the software from upstream gives you the latest version _and_ means the update feature works.
"I assume you tried using mpv rather than mplayer directly, and that this did not work out for you for some reason or another."
No, I just don't like mpv, it tends not to work properly for me so I don't bother mentioning it.
17 • @3 Why the rush by Allan (by Ed on 2024-04-15 17:39:37 GMT from Sweden)
As a long time user of Debian Stable I can definitely see the pros of running it if one takes advantage of Flatpak. Without Flatpak Debian Stable becomes too conservative for my needs.
Nowadays I use Fedora because it is impressively reliable and has much newer packages than Debian Stable but not as new as a rolling release distribution. Its the perfect middle ground for me, at least for now.
But if that should change I would most certainly give Debian Stable, with backports and Flatpaks, a chance.
18 • Eeepc (by Sebastien on 2024-04-15 21:55:41 GMT from France)
@6: really ? What app are you using beside terminal ? I've installed MX on a 1005-ha and watching youtube was dramaticaly slow.
19 • Newer versions of software / Portable packages (by br098 on 2024-04-16 03:03:37 GMT from Brazil)
My software needs are fully met by the stable base of Debian and the portable packages from npm and pip.
20 • My current Raspberry Pi (by AdamB on 2024-04-16 06:03:06 GMT from Australia)
I am currently using a RPi 4, running current Raspbian, but under X11 rather than Wayland (because xscreensaver doesn't work under Wayland). This machine runs 24/7 as a server, running Dnsmasq - providing DHCP and DNS services for my home network - and Apt-cacher-ng for my Debian-family machines.
I can use it as a workstation, and Firefox works reasonably well on it, but I now have a desktop machine, with good specifications, which I now usually use for regular work.
The Rpi 4 is in a passive heatsink case, which works well.
21 • yt-dlp experience (by AdamB on 2024-04-16 06:18:51 GMT from Australia)
Thanks for the instructions on using wget to download the current yt-dlp script.
I had tried yt-dlp from the Raspbian repository, but it rarely worked, so I set up a Void Linux virtual machine on my desktop system (running current stable Devuan); yt-dlp from the Void repository has always worked so far.
But if the script downloaded by wget auto-updates, that would be ideal.
22 • eeepc (by peer on 2024-04-16 06:59:44 GMT from The Netherlands)
@18: I use my eeepc every morning to read the news. It has a debian minimal lxde os on it. It boots fast (ssd) and goes direct to the newswebsite. I do not watch videos on this eeepc.
23 • Minimal computing (by Tom on 2024-04-16 11:57:18 GMT from Germany)
I'm using an Odroid N2+ with CoreELEC as a media center
24 • Do you own a minimal computing device? (by eb on 2024-04-16 12:41:45 GMT from France)
Yes I do : my server is a Macmini_coreduo 17 years old with 1.5 go RAM 32bits, my everyday home machine is a Macmini_i5 with 4 go RAM 64bits, my 2nd home machine is a Macmini_core2duo with 2 go RAM 32 bits. All this with Slackware_15 that runs perfectly : - no X for the server - Fluxbox for the home computers, without any problem to upgrade packages !:-). Thanks for all.
25 • eee pc (by eee shepherd on 2024-04-16 21:57:36 GMT from United Kingdom)
i have 3 rpi and never use them yet i have perhaps 30 asus eee pc, haven't counted, but only ever use three of them at once, as receiver boxes for multi-room audio. neater and cuter than rpis. also use eee pc x101 to xz -e9 all my disk images of linux on eee pc and linux on raid on eee pc etc
26 • minimal computing device (by Josh on 2024-04-17 04:06:17 GMT from United States)
I answered yes to "other type of minimal computing device".
I also have a couple netbooks. Two Acer Aspire D270's to be exact. I maxed out the RAM in them. The max is a said to be 2GB, but they will recognize 3GB with a 4GB stick inserted. I recently installed Debian 12 on one, and I think I have Mint on the other. They aren't power houses, but they are still fairly usable.
27 • Raspberries (by Chris on 2024-04-17 08:42:52 GMT from South Africa)
1 x RPi 400 for Octoprint 1 x RPi 3 for WiFi hotspot
28 • Pineohone Pro (by Elcaset on 2024-04-17 16:15:58 GMT from United States)
It seems to me like there are more OSes for the Pinephone, than there are for the Pinephone Pro. Hopefully I'm wrong.
29 • Minimal Devices (by Semiarticulate on 2024-04-17 19:53:24 GMT from United States)
The wife does not understand my love for ancient computing devices. You only need the latest hardware if you're wanting to run the latest spyware on it. No thank you.
30 • Minimal computing device (by ThinkBang on 2024-04-17 23:16:26 GMT from Brazil)
And I have four Arduinos that I use in Physics experiments.
31 • NUC boxes vs SBCs (by Jimbo on 2024-04-18 00:05:21 GMT from New Zealand)
My small computers:
1 x Odroid XU4 running as an NVR for home security cameras + NextCloud for accessing camera files 1 x Raspberry Pi 1 for use as Pihole 1 x Raspbery Pi 2 for use as Internet Radio (Hifiberry) 1 x Orange Pi Zero 2 Plus for use as Pihole 1 x Orange Pi 3 for workshop computer 1 x GMKTEC G3 Nucbox for watching TV
The reality now is that NUC boxes like the GMKTEC are only slightly larger than SBCs but pack way more punch (e.g. Intel N100, larger RAM capacity) and significantly cheaper than a few years ago - almost similar costings to high end SBCs (price goes up with SSD, Memory etc)
32 • low-end/underpowered devices (by NPFP on 2024-04-18 17:48:14 GMT from Germany)
I still use my 20-years-old Laptop (Acer Extensa 2902 LMi, Pentium M single-core, 1GB RAM)[antiX Linux], for travelling my 16-years old Eee-PC 901 with 2GB of RAM [Debian "rolling" since 2021, LXQT and as main-desktop-machine my newer Pi-400, MX-Linux [with external SSD and Z-RAM configuration= "7GB RAM"....
33 • yt-dlp (by AloofBrit on 2024-04-18 20:40:49 GMT from United States)
wget https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/latest/download/yt-dlp_linux sudo mv yt-dlp_linux /usr/bin/yt-dlp chmod u+x /usr/bin/yt-dlp
then keep it updated by sudo yt-dlp -U
should also mention that 'fixing' certain files requires ffmpeg to be installed
34 • Low tech rules (by Robert Retro on 2024-04-18 22:31:03 GMT from Austria)
Still using a Thinkpad X60s as my main mobile machine running Slackware. Totally reliable, easy to fix, lightweight and clever construction. Underpowered? Give me a break;-)
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