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1 • gnome mobile (by dave on 2023-06-12 02:58:02 GMT from United States)
As an old fan of Gnome 2 and a longtime hater of Gnome 3+, it is good to see Gnome Shell on a mobile device where it actually belongs. I remember being initially optimistic, thinking, "Wow this is going to be so cool to be able to install Linux on phones and tablets.." and then not only did it just not happen, but it ruined the best DE in the process.
Been a long time since those dark days and I although I haven't been following this stuff at all, I sincerely hope to see Gnome Mobile inspire some wider adoption of Linux across the mobile landscape. Though I've steeled my optimism, I'm still hopeful.
2 • OpenSUSE Leap : no future ? (by Microlinux on 2023-06-12 06:54:40 GMT from France)
I've been a happy OpenSUSE Leap user since 2017. I've been running it on my desktop and on my workstation, as well as all my clients' installations (local school, handful of local companies). So I've been quite frustrated when OpenSUSE Leap announced that they would eventually drop Leap. I tried to go with Tumbleweed, which comes with a weekly - if not daily - tsunami of updates, and which has proven to be unmanageable, at least on modest hardware and modest bandwidth. And the alternative ALP or whatever is currently in something like pre-alpha state. So I decided to switch all desktop clients to a personal blend of Rocky Linux with KDE from EPEL and quite a few tweaks. Runs perfectly, every release gets ten years of support, and I don't have to think about the distributor eventually pulling the rug out from under my feet. If ALP is the future, then I'll gladly use it in the future. In the meantime I need something reliable. The OpenSUSE distributors have yet to discover that concept.
3 • Base independent Linux distros: Debian, Arch, and Fedora base systems (by Greg Zeng on 2023-06-12 07:40:28 GMT from Australia)
Google AI gives different answers to this week's Distrowatch reader's question. The hundreds of coding teams behind the distros on the Distrowatch have their 'answers'.
One way to understand these data-engine brand names to compare with mechanical-engines used in cars & trucks.
BSD is similar to Wankel and other two-stroke engines. Get the horse-power out, with fewer parts. Linux Arch is similar to the other Linus From Scratch (LFS) engines. As much as possible is compiled from raw source code, regardless of the fuel injector carburettor and fuel type. No systemd, no forced Wayland and avoiding GUI compilations.
Arch's "AUR" is similar to relatively unprocessed fuels, like diesel oil, with it's easily unresolved pollutants. Both the Red Hat and Debian have compiled 'fuels' with fuel injection of more costly created petroleum. These are four-stroke engines, compared to the two-stroke engines of the earlier RPM and smaller family groups. These smaller family groups include SUSE, Solaris, PCLOS, puppy and other minority settings that rely on various virtual containers to run applications.
Fedora is the official testing version of the few official versions of the Red Hat corporation. Both Red Hat and Debian have their base core versions. These base cores are in various official versions: Stable, Main & Testing. The base-cores of Arch, Red Hat & Debian are used to derive many corporate and community brand names. Manjaro, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora and Peppermint are such derivatives.
These five derived 'data-engines' are similar to Ferari, VW, Toyota, Nissan, & MG, respectively. These derivations may try the newest and beta-tested innovations like GUI-Calamari, systemd, xWayland, Nvidia sensitivity, BTRFS, etc (self-starter, automatic transmission, ABS, Lane-warnings).
Some Linux distros try to be simple tools, with limited power, & limited flexibility. The Puppy and PCLOS families fit this motor-home description. There are also scooter, motorcycle (BSD), omnibus, truck, semi-trailer, service, emergency vehicle versions of Linux operating systems.
By comparison, Microsoft Windows 11 is an aircraft carrier, or an enormous motor-home demanding very many highly trained technicians & secret robots.
4 • Re: 2 – the sad demise of openSUSE Leap (by SuperOscar on 2023-06-12 08:49:40 GMT from Finland)
I quite agree, @MicroLinux. Having tens of updates daily and thousands of them weekly is no way to actually be using a computer! But that’s the rolling way of Tumbleweed.
I also tried Rocky Linux, but it lacks so much I need – most unfortunately a usable TeXLive packaging. The only way to get it seems to be to install the whole shebang from CPAN which is a h*** of a lot of work.
So, Debian it is, for now.
5 • Debian 12 (by Torsten on 2023-06-12 10:03:24 GMT from Germany)
I downloaded the recent Debian 12 and installed it. Wow! It's really the best Debian version so far. I've not discovered any errors or bugs at all and everything works fine and well with Debian 12. An excellent edition. When you're sick and tired of Ubuntu, then I only can recommend Debian for you!
6 • When OpenSUSE Leap ends (by tolea on 2023-06-12 10:21:06 GMT from Moldova)
When OpenSUSE Leap ends, if they will make an immutable os based on Flatpak, I will migrate to another distro or will try new Ubuntu 24.04 immutable.
Cause I don't like Flatpak, it is limited to GUI apps only, and has really stupid SDKs idea. I use a lot of command line apps & compilers, which are not available on flatpak. And I dunno understand people who use immutable systems, but override defaults with a lot of new packages (cause Flatpak doesn't provide some apps).
So until someone will make an immutable OS based on Snap (which doesn't have Flatpak limitations), I am good with OpenSUSE Leap (or any other classic distribution)
7 • Opensuse Leap (by kc1di on 2023-06-12 10:40:17 GMT from United States)
I have to admit I'm not understanding Suse's desire to end leap. I used it off and on but it's the one that is the stable dependable Suse release. I have not followed this that closely. But I have installed Debian 12 (bookworm) and find it fills the need nicely and is in my opinion as good as Suse. I remember Suse of old, It was always a top contender. I'm not thrilled with either flatpaks or snaps. as a package management system Appimages are good but no update process available except deleting the old and downloading the new. So I'm not sure they have come up with the best system for us that want just a stable, solid distro. that is predictable. For now Debian meets that need here. I've used Mint for many years also. It's stable most of the time but with it being based on Ubuntu, I'm not sure how long that is going to last, Maybe LMDE? But which they offered more DE with it. In any event if your disappointed with Suse for now give Debian Bookworm a spin see what you think.
8 • OpenSUSE 15.5 .... Kernel Panic (by Scott M. Allen on 2023-06-12 11:14:27 GMT from United States)
OpenSUSE - is a variable Linux version. I guess that all linux distros - have good releases and releases that have problems. OPENSUSE 15.5 - kernel panics when I try to install it. I've tried at least four times. Even tried manually setting up partions. It will run in a virt-manager install. I don't know how to troubleshoot this. I would certianly think OPENSUSE can do better than this !!!!
9 • Leap 15.6 (by qwertz on 2023-06-12 12:27:48 GMT from Germany)
Leap was and is a very pleasant base for sophisticated work, I stayed there despite occasional distrohopping. I'm sure you can get by with Ubuntu LTS or Debian as well. The news that Leap 15.6 guarantees the preparation of a successor until January 2026 is very welcome.
10 • Independent distros (by David on 2023-06-12 15:35:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
One feature to consider is how easy it is to get your preferred GUI. The whole Red Hat family works on the assumption that Gnome will be present — you can choose a different desktop but don't expect everything to be as easy. One feature of PCLinuxOS is that, although KDE Plasma is the flagship edition, everything else seems to work well — certainly Xfce does.
11 • Debian 12 (by Carlo Alessandro Verre on 2023-06-12 15:41:16 GMT from Italy)
Finally a Debian release with out-of-the-box wifi support! What a wonderful news!
12 • openSUSE (by Kazlu on 2023-06-12 15:46:01 GMT from France)
A decade os so ago, when I was used to distro-hop often, searching my way out of Xubuntu, I was only trying five distros at a time. openSUSE was always 2nd best. The best one would rorate, but openSUSE would always be 2nd! Has always had things I admired but showstoppers that eventually discouraged me.
I always had huge respect for the quality work they produced, but I feel like openSUSE and its relationship with SUSE cause the release strategy t shift every five years or so lately... I need more predictability than that in my daily driver, especially when the flagship openSUSE Leap pushed you to you upgrade every year or so...
13 • Base independent Linux distros: Debian, Arch, and Fedora base systems (by Roger Brown on 2023-06-12 16:21:21 GMT from Australia)
@3 I'm sorry but I have to point out out that this post is utter nonsense.
> Arch is similar to the other Linus From Scratch (LFS) engines. As much as possible is compiled from raw source code.No systemd, no forced Wayland and avoiding GUI compilations
Totally incorrect - Arch is a binary distro - albeit a rolling one. Arch most definitely uses systemd and Wayland is available where appropriate, as are all the major GUI desktop managers.
> Arch's "AUR" is similar to relatively unprocessed fuels, like diesel oil, with it's easily unresolved pollutants.
Again incorrect - AUR build scripts generally work quite well with Arch based distros - and if occasionally they don't, there is always a maintainer to contact for assistance.
> Red Hat & Debian are used to derive many corporate and community brand names. Manjaro, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora and Peppermint are such derivatives.
Wrong again - Manjaro is a derivative of Archlinux
Do not rely on this posting
14 • A respectful correction. (by R. Cain on 2023-06-12 16:59:05 GMT from United States)
@ 3--"Base-independent...(...from Australia)"
"...is similar to Wankel and other two-stroke engines...".
The Wankel is a four-stroke engine.
Otherwise, "Good on you, mate."
15 • @3: Hilarious! (by Matt on 2023-06-13 02:21:28 GMT from United States)
If that was really written by GoogleAI, it is ever funnier.
For 10+ years I have chosen the hostname for all my computers (and I've manage a lot of them over the years) based on the model name of a car or truck. My full tower desktop at work is Unimog. My ultraportable is Supra. My portable workstation is Tundra.
I have a couple of very old Linux systems used to control equipment in the lab. They are named Pinto and Pacer. Too dangerous to get either of them out on the highway.
16 • engines & kernels (by anon coward on 2023-06-13 05:28:16 GMT from United States)
@14 That's almost as bad as thinking a Wankel engine has a stroke, or a Linux distro has a micro-kernel.
17 • Debian Elves (by MInuxLintEbianDedition on 2023-06-13 09:10:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
I will still be starting fresh installs from stretch and upgrading.
18 • Dedian based distro. (by Roger on 2023-06-13 09:12:24 GMT from France)
As a user of GNU-Linux from 1997, I use Linux Mint Mate now for years. I went for stability in the OS I use daily, used SUSE in the beginning of the 2000's, changed to PCLinuxOS and jumped on the Ubuntu train like many in those years but always there was something. Linux Mint was a breath of fresh air and never a problem, never liked Cinnamon always liked Gnome and Mate become my stable. Like the many windows versions, 2000 Sp4 is my favorite, Linux Mint is simply the best one. Maybe not the newest, but then I don't need it, I support Linux Mint by donations because if you are willing to fork out for MS or Apple why than not support them.
www.gnu-linuxwerkgroep.eu
19 • openSUSE Leap (by Jake on 2023-06-13 13:28:44 GMT from Canada)
I am already using MicroOS Kalpa and its been amazing, all my favourite apps are installed through discover, and it updates automatically. If an update fails, it reverts. I love it
20 • Rocky + KDE (by Daniel on 2023-06-13 19:18:23 GMT from Czechia)
@2 Beware that Rocky + KDE is not tested together as Leap + KDE. They introduced already multiple times breaking bugs in minor releases. Leap KDE variant is tested together automaticaly by openQA
21 • openSUSE Leap (by Ex-distrohopper on 2023-06-14 11:37:35 GMT from Brazil)
*** When openSUSE Leap ends, will you stick with another openSUSE edition? ***
No way! I`ve never been a fan of anyone distro that uses RPM packaging because they all seem to be not as good as their DEB based siblings. But since I knew GeckoLinux, it was clear to me that openSUSE Leap is a solid foundation to build a distro from.
And now that the author of GeckoLinux is about to replace it with SpiralLinux (made from my beloved Debian, as userfriendly as MX Linux, and even faster than SparkyLinux), I can finally say that my distrohopping days are gone.
When compared to the most popular Debian derivatives, SpiralLinux is simply the best. Long live to such a marvelous distro!
22 • At the end of Leap (by Robert on 2023-06-14 18:16:06 GMT from United States)
I don't know what I'm going to do.
I only run Leap on a server, so Tumbleweed is a nogo. If they provide an easy upgrade path to either MicroOS or even ALP AND get around to documenting those variants properly I'll probably switch to one of those. Otherwise I'll have to start looking at other distros, but they all have downsides compared to Leap.
23 • Fedora (by Fedora User on 2023-06-15 06:04:03 GMT from Canada)
"Meanwhile, commercially sponsored distributions (like Fedora and openSUSE) use fixed releases where packages mostly stay pinned at a fixed version and just receive security updates."
As a Fedora user, I disagree with this statement. When I do a system update, all sorts of packages get major updates, from the Linux kernel to desktop environment components to obscure apps that I installed. Fedora has a reputation for being pretty cutting-edge.
24 • Debian 12 (by Titus Groan on 2023-06-16 04:42:01 GMT from New Zealand)
@ 5. look harder.
Debian 12 mate 32bit install.
improbable copy values when copying large files.
I guess, not a Debian bug, per se, but it can be demonstrated repeatedly in their product.
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