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1 • Colour in terminal commands (by Guido on 2023-05-29 01:20:05 GMT from Philippines)
I am using fish as shell, the output is always very colorful. You can also change the color-sets within the browser.
2 • Void packaging (by Vinfall on 2023-05-29 01:41:54 GMT from Hong Kong)
I checked out the linked blog post and was surprised to find out that xdeb exists and you could install deb/rpm packages directly. Switched from Debian testing to Void-musl for 1y and still have "gotcha" from time to time.
3 • Azure Linux (by Microsoft Enemy #1 on 2023-05-29 04:03:10 GMT from Brazil)
"__ Linux is a cancer." (Steve Ballmer, former Microsoft CEO)
He told such a big lie to their customers because Linux was ever growing in importance and spreading like fire in gasoline. Along of time, Microsoft bastards did everything they could do to destroy the penguin. Now, with Azure Linux, they'll probably try to fight Red Hat, Oracle, and the rest of Linux companies aiming to implement their well known dirty plan: "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish".
Azure Linux, once released to the masses, will certainly be a platform tailored to support Microsoft's proprietary (patented) technologies, maybe intended to completely replace the Windows operating system. This is an idea I had cogitated circa 2015, when I thought to myself: "__ Someday, those rats will make a Linux distro just to shatter the competition..."
We, the real FLOSS enthusiasts, should never allow the enemy to win. So... DEATH to Microsoft and their stupid Azure Linux!
4 • Bash colours (by chris on 2023-05-29 04:09:04 GMT from South Africa)
Cannot use bash without colours. My prompt changes colour (using the PS1 setting) depending on what I am doing - root, ssh and rsyncing use different colours, so I don't forget where I am.
5 • rlxos (by Andy Prough on 2023-05-29 04:09:13 GMT from United States)
@Jesse - I wonder if you would have gotten most of the command line tools you wanted if you had tried the Workstation version instead of the Desktop version. It seems to me that the Desktop version is designed to be a kind of a kiosk system, where a non-technical user isn't likely to be able to figure out how to add much more than what they are originally presented with.
An interesting aspect about this distro is that apparently nearly everything works as it should, which seems rare for such a new distro.
6 • Colors (by fenglengshun on 2023-05-29 04:39:27 GMT from Indonesia)
There is also the rust version of terminal commands, which sometimes defaults to colors. Some distribution or config file may alias commands to their rust counterpart (for example enabling `programs.exa.enable` in Nix/home-manager would automatically alias ls to exa if it also manage your shell's rc file).
In general, I much prefer having colors. My main reason why I use rust counterparts is mostly because they're prettier, I won't lie. That said, I can't get used to fish, I prefer the middle ground of zsh with the standard "fish-ify" oh-my-zsh plugins.
7 • colors (by Dr.J on 2023-05-29 07:11:08 GMT from Germany)
Partly, my terminal output is still coloured. But in general I use colouring rather less. For me, the purpose was to make very long outputs clearer and, for example, to colour each "warning". But I get along better when I generally reduce the output to the essentials, i.e. use the usual commands (grep, cat, tail, etc.).
8 • Poll about terminal colors (by Albert on 2023-05-29 07:35:56 GMT from United States)
I answered 'My distro enabled color' just because I installed Nala in most of my distros -that brings not only a litte color but also some more speed and a different layout than Apt's.
Later I remembered that I also configure xfce4-terminals and Caja terminals to have others colors than the preset ones.
In sum, I don't make a serious effort to change this
aspect of the terminals only superficial things.
9 • Command Line Configuration (by Trihexagonal on 2023-05-29 11:07:56 GMT from United States)
I use colors in rxvt-unicode and Qterminal, usually with a transparent background to the terminal.
Kali has the option of a 1 or 2 line command line, a break between commands or not and to use the BackTrak legacy CLI.
Font is set to match the one font used in all programs onscreen and text editor
Only 1% admit to not using the terminal at this early point in tally
10 • Color (by Will on 2023-05-29 12:35:26 GMT from Spain)
I usually disable color in the terminal, not because I dislike it, but because applications misuse it. vi is the worst offender (I love vi), but color coding code results in some nearly unreadable text. I prolly oughta take the time to figure out how to turn it off for vi, now that I think about it :). I love color in a lot of other cases, but in the past I've always just killed terminal color and gone on about my business.
That said, the color scheme in linux mint for the terminal seems to work and not drive me nuts, so I've left it alone since I installed it.
11 • Terminal Usage (by Otis on 2023-05-29 14:14:35 GMT from United States)
Interesting that only 2% of DW users do not use the terminal (poll numbers as of this writing). 98% of Linux distro users are terminal users? We're geeks! ;oD
12 • Cancerous linux (by Petey on 2023-05-29 14:37:39 GMT from United States)
In a way, the existence of Azure Linux proves Ballmer right as its certainly a metastasization of sorts. Btw, where's Ballmer these days? I mean aside from on a large, private island sipping 10am cocktails.
13 • Nonsensous (by Cubehead on 2023-05-29 15:32:24 GMT from Netherlands)
@12 • Cancerous linux (by Petey from United States)
"Btw, where's Ballmer these days? I mean aside from on a large, private island sipping 10am cocktails."
Ask Linus... he wouldn't be a millionaire without Ballmer. I guess they laugh together. ;)
@3 • Azure Linux (by Microsoft Enemy #1 from Brazil)
If anything should ever die, then please everything but Microsoft.
Microsoft made some of the best SW ever made, and their 15-20-year-old software beats every "AI miracle" up to date.
"When angry, count four. When very angry, swear... over Brazilian "Mastermind."" (Mark Twain)
14 • Azure Linux (by Tony on 2023-05-29 16:18:30 GMT from United States)
I wonder if the powers that be at Microsoft are paying Linus Torvalds for the right to use the Linux Kernel. It would only be appropriate to do so. After all Microsoft is a always do right company right?. They wouldn't use others creations for there benefit without compensation now would they?. Well of course they would. The powers at Linux command should do everything they can to keep Microsoft's dirty hands away from Linux. They could very well try to control or destroy Linux thru their involvement. It would not be surprising at all.
15 • @14 • Azure Linux (by Tony United States) (by Cubehead on 2023-05-29 17:02:49 GMT from Netherlands)
Microsoft is one of those responsible for why you still have Linux.Linux doesn't exist because of the "labor of love" or YOUR donation. ;)
16 • @14 - Linux only because of Microsoft (by Will on 2023-05-29 17:25:30 GMT from Spain)
This is a ridiculous, revisionist viewpoint. Linux exists in spite of Microsoft, not because of it. Anyone who lived computers in the 1990s knows this and doesn't get confused by the rhetorical labyrinth of modern media. I was using Linux and doing business with Redmond when Microsoft was engaging in no end of FUD against Linux and outright banning the use of ANY open source on its campuses. Sheesh, unless you mean that were it not for Microsoft's antagonist stance, Linux wouldn't have fared as well? That is surely debatable. Or perhaps you mean Microsoft's later contributions, in which case, I take it you mean Linux as it exists today, again debatable, although one shouldn't minimize their contributions. However, they are not alone in significant contributions and it's pretty pointless to speculate on tangentials such as this.
17 • Microsoft (by Dave Postles on 2023-05-29 17:27:44 GMT from United Kingdom)
Makes me laugh how all these people supporting MS and decrying Linux use the internet and WWW (something which left MS behind so that it had to leverage a place in a paltry web browser). I wonder also if they have stocks and shares invested through the NYSE or LSE. Do they buy from Amazon or use Google or have Android phones? Personally, I'll avoid MS as much as possible because (like Amazon, Google and Apple) it has aggressively avoided tax in my country so that we have a rapidly decaying NHS and local government services.
18 • @16 and @17 (by Cubehead on 2023-05-29 17:57:05 GMT from Netherlands)
Despite all your hurt "Linux religion" feelings, that's why you can use your Linux free of charge: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
They develop your OS, and they are kind enough to provide you with codecs, etc.
Even Apple still exists only because of Microsoft.
19 • Linux Tornworthx (by Cubehead on 2023-05-29 18:31:43 GMT from Netherlands)
...paid by a dozen hard-core DW wanna-bees...
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/linus-torvalds-net-worth/
"Linus Torvalds is a Finnish software engineer ["powered" by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] who has a net worth of $50 million. Torvalds is probably best known for [being "powered" by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] developing the Linux kernel [because of being "powered" by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] which today [still plays no role except of in products of Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] powers billions of mobile phones via the Android [by Torvalds sponsor Google] operating system, in addition to the corporate computers of companies like Amazon, eBay, Google and PayPal. The word "Linux" is a stylized version of ["owned" by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] his first name. He is known as ["owned" by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] Linux's "benevolent dictator for life". He oversees and has final say [as long as Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei... pay] over every line of code to this day. The Linux Foundation pays Linus around $1.5 million [out of Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei... money] per year to support the [interessts of Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] software. The foundation has a $50 million operating budget to manage thousands of programmers worldwide who make around 80,000 code fixes and additions in a given year.
Outside of his work on Linux, Linus also created Git [owned by Microsoft], a distributed version control system. In addition, Torvald is recognized as the creator of Subsurface, a scuba dive logging and planning software.
For his contributions to the world of technology, Linus Torvalds was awarded the Millennium Technology Prize in 2012 by Technology Academy Finland [sponsored by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei?..]. Linus has been celebrated for creating an open-source operating system [paid by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...], and he has won a number of additional awards over the years [given by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...]. Torvalds is still very active in [collecting money from Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] the modern era, and he continues to improve [because paid by Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...] the Linux kernel while working on a number of additional projects [in hope to earn even more money from Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei...]."
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/linus-torvalds-net-worth/
Plus-minus; more plus then minus...
;)
20 • No colors. (by Bob on 2023-05-29 20:00:05 GMT from United States)
I always edit my ls alias to: alias ls='ls --color=never'
Same with inxi, I turn off ALL colors.
21 • Azure Linux (by Microsoft Enemy #1 on 2023-05-29 20:54:37 GMT from Brazil)
@19
So you think Linus Torvalds is too rich to be honest? Did you know that Tim Berners-Lee is also a millionaire? Does it turn him into somebody who got money by selling the WorldWide Web to Google, Apple, IBM, Intel, etc?
You talk of Linus Torvalds as if he was a "mercenary" being paid by the whole Big Tech industry, when in reality he only works for Red Hat, the main kernel contributor. It seems to me you're a "Windows troll", or simply have never read Richard Stallman's GNU General Public License. This legal document is the true reason why the existence of Azure Linux is possible.
Yes, Microsoft had not to "bribe" the creator of the Linux kernel. His salary comes from one of the most prominent Linux companies, not from a greedy corporate mob headquartered in Redmond.
22 • Torvalds + MS (by Friar Tux on 2023-05-29 21:18:53 GMT from Canada)
Not sure if you guys know, but...
https://itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-to-join-microsoft/#:~:text=This%20is%20big.,the%20upcoming%20Windows%209%20project.
To me, it is a moot point. If you don't like Microsoft, then don't use it. If you don't like Linux, don't use it. Use what you feel is best for you. I use Linux because I found Windows 10 unusable, and invasive. I did, however, really like XP. But each to his own.
23 • Repetitiveness (by MrSheeple on 2023-05-30 00:05:03 GMT from Australia)
Just some constructive observation about this forum.
Instead of everyone talking about the same subject matter as discussed in the opinion poll, why not use this opportunity of the forum to discuss about things or ask questions about Linux that you really want to, instead of just repeating the same talking points as everyone else?
8 posts about terminal colors....really? That is the most pressing issues everyone wants to talk about here?
It's a sad state of affairs when really interesting issues are sidelined such as package management, kernals, hardware support, wayland and xorg, rolling vs stable releases.
We can talk about anything, but ok, let's talk about color terminals......zzzzzzzzz
24 • Offtopic for 23 (by Bob on 2023-05-30 01:23:03 GMT from United States)
@22 "I did, however, really like XP."
XP. I still have one...offline, of course. I use it daily.
25 • Microsoft (by Charlie on 2023-05-30 01:46:05 GMT from Hong Kong)
@19
I must remind you that it's GitHub which is owned by Microsoft, not Git itself. Git isn't OWNED by anyone, like Linux.
That said, despite the FUD tactics from MS to Linux, that I hate in the Y2K period. I am cautiously optimistic to what have happened between MS and Linux nowadays. MS does not rely on desktop businesses anymore but shift their focus to cloud. To them, Linux is now a tool to make money instead of a threat. After all, business is business, its contribution should also be welcomed unless it breaches any terms of GPL and other open source licenses.
26 • Big-Tech (by Cubehead on 2023-05-30 04:58:20 GMT from Netherlands)
@21 Kind of: "Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable." (Mark Twain)
The usual way it works is that someone has a creative, innovative, noble, etc. idea, and at some point, either one turns into a paid "mercenary" or one moves on and concentrates on another "hobby."
I indeed never heard of a StallmanOS full-working desktop, and if there were one, it would probably miss all the things people need and use every day. The GNU General Public License is not what makes Azure Linux possible; it's Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei, etc. sharing the same interests.
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members makes it possible, not the RS's GNU license.
"AFAIK, FreeBSD is making use of clang and Grand Central Dispatch, both of which were Apple-funded and released under a compatible license."
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-and-apple-connection.41109/
Or Apple CUPS... "The CUPS project was founded by Michael Sweet." "Then Apple bought his company and hired him."
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/jbzd85/cups_has_been_forked_after_apple_supplied_only/
Even Mozilla (Firefox) is depending on Baidu, Google, Yahoo (MS), and Yandex...
@25 "To them (MS), Linux is now a tool to make money instead of a threat. After all, business is business..."
"MS does not rely on desktop businesses anymore but shift their focus to cloud."
Yes and no. While MS makes the most money with cloud services, Office is also a cloud service in the meantime, and Windows is running on 2/3 of all PCs that use those services. MS still makes money by licensing it to HW manufacturers.
@22 April fool jokes about LT and MS aside, in @13 I didn't even refer to OS made by MS, but actually "Microsoft made some of the best SW ever made." The whole planet is relying not only on Windows or Office but also on Visual Studio and some other stuff.
A couple of days ago, someone passed by with four lake images that no modern SW could stitch together well enough. An old and discontinued Microsoft Research program (ICE) did it in a matter of seconds. A great lake view panaroma where the water looks like water...
27 • You got me trolls (by Matt on 2023-05-30 05:04:57 GMT from United States)
The claims are that Microsoft is the reason we have Linux, Microsoft was "kind enough" to give us codecs, Microsoft is the reason Apple exists, and Microsoft has made some of the greatest software in history that puts all modern AI to shame. It is all quite absurd, of course.
I assume you are just trolling for a response, so here is mine:
1. Microsoft is not "kind". They generally treat end users as ignorant rubes who will do whatever they want them to do, and pay them money for it. They have a history of forcing customers to use their products through agreements with OEMs and bundling. Remember Internet Explorer antitrust lawsuit? Ever try installing Windows 11 without a Microsoft account? Anything Microsoft wants to push becomes part of WIndows, and you can't buy a PC from an OEM without it. What the customer wants is secondary to what Microsoft wants.
2. Microsoft has made some of the worst software in history. I know, because I was forced to use WindowsME a long time ago. I agree that Microsoft is in part responsible for the existence of Linux. Not because they donated money or code to Linux, but because they have alienated so many customers who are willing to do anything possible to break free of Microsoft's grip.
3. Microsoft does not embrace open source or standards. Instead, they try to force everyone to use whatever garbage they create. Examples: TNEF email attachments. MS Office file formats. Fonts. WIndows media format.
I do not think Microsoft is in any way charitable. They exist to make a profit of course, but they have a long history of profiting through strong arm tactics and treating end users with disdain. Microsoft is a terrible company and I would not shed a tear if they imploded and went bankrupt.
28 • @27 • You got me trolls (by Matt from United States) (by Cubehead on 2023-05-30 05:30:18 GMT from Netherlands)
Either you missed understanding what "troll" means or reality left you behind. Your choice.
What you missed here is that that's how capitalism works. Every company does care only for their own profits, and that's how you profit.
If they didn't make the profit, there would be no research and nobody to give you your "free" code.
"Today, Torvalds has contributed approximately 2% of the Linux kernel code. This is one of the largest contributions of any individual, although others are now stepping in to play a more central role. Torvalds has admitted that he doesn't do much programming anymore for Linux..."
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/linus-torvalds-net-worth/
Where "others" are Facebook (Meta), IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alibaba, Amazon, AMD, Baidu, Google, Huawei, etc.
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
29 • Auxtral (by Jim on 2023-05-30 10:02:35 GMT from United States)
Auxtral takes you to Sourceforge, but no link to download is there. They need to fix the link.
30 • MS, Linux, licencing... (by Kazlu on 2023-05-30 10:21:58 GMT from France)
Money certainly fuels Linux like many things, mostly money coming from big companies, but that does not necessarily mean that it's a bad thing. There is a huge difference between a piece of software developed and provided by *one* company looking for profit, and a piece of software funded by *dozens* of companies looking for profit (none of which having the legal power to steer the project on its own).
This is speculation at this stage, but what if a future version of Windows was actually based on GNU/Linux, with Microsoft's closed source user software on it (Office, Visual Studio, Teams, etc.) and sold for a price like Red Hat or Oracle Linux? Would that be good or bad? I cannot decide. I suppose it would help a lot other GNU/Linux users since third party software would be easier to install on a distribution that is not Windows (hello, gamers). Also, workers having to work on Windows might have a more robust OS. I can definitely see Microsoft trying to take over the Linux kernel development and other GNU software, but how could they, when they have competitors like Google, Amazon, etc. playing in the same category and that would not let it happen?
Look at the web browsers' situation: Chromium based browsers are becoming dominant, leaving Firefox and Safari based browsers on small islands. Chromium is open source... but controlled by Google only. Linux is not in that case and I doubt even Microsoft could buy all the pieces of software that make a GNU OS... I might be wrong, but can this actually be good, for once?
31 • Auxtral OS (by Albert on 2023-05-30 12:33:17 GMT from United States)
@29: I've just checked what you posted and could see that at this very moment you can download the Cinnamon and the Mate versions only -which were modified only 30 and 10 minutes ago respectively. I guess that the Budgie, Plasma and Xfce versions might be updated soon.
Personally -having read the information provided in the website- didn't find it interesting enough to me and I decided to wait for the launch of Debian 12 which will be just in a matter of days only: 2023-06-10
32 • @28 - trolling, trolling, trolling, yeehah (by Will on 2023-05-30 13:26:00 GMT from Spain)
Cubehead is trolling for sure. It's too bad too, cuz there's plenty of merit to discuss in the Linux and Microsoft realm. Silly wabbit, trix are for kidz.
33 • Big Tech and Linux (by Microsoft Enemy #1 on 2023-05-30 14:08:04 GMT from Brazil)
@28
" What you missed here is that that's how capitalism works. Every company does care only for their own profits, and that's how you profit. "
" If they didn't make the profit, there would be no research and nobody to give you your "free" code. "
This is a ridiculous statement, since Free/Libre and Open-Sorce Software existed MUCH TIME BEFORE the always greedy Big Tech managers started to embrace it and try to profit with it. Do you remember when Red Hat became a profitable Linux company? It just CONTINUED to release their "free" software as they did before, thanks to the GPL. The only radical change was the company's focus, from "community-driven development" to "business-driven development".
What's the problem with making money out of Linux, if there is no express prohibition in the GPL? Red Hat is a "relatively fair" company, not an immitation of Microsoft. It didn't hire Linus Torvals to take full control of the Linux kernel development.
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@30
" I suppose it would help a lot other GNU/Linux users since third party software would be easier to install on a distribution that is not Windows (hello, gamers). "
No matter whether an eventual "Microsoft Desktop Linux" could make things easier for the average Joe and Jane who use computers at home/work, they would still have to UPGRADE their hardware frequently, just as they had to do to use Win98, then WinXP, then Win7, then Win10, then Win11. With Linux, they can continue to use ANY hardware, from a modest Intel Pentium 4 to a powerful AMD Ryzen 7.
As for gamers... In the whole world, that's a very small community, even among those who use Windows exclusively. In my country, the vast majority of computer users are casual gamers that only need a Web browser to play some lightweight Java game online. Many of them don't even have a "gaming-grade" graphics card. And there are thousands of poor people in Brazil still using Windows 7 because they had no money to make the switch to Windows 10, let alone Windows 11...
" I can definitely see Microsoft trying to take over the Linux kernel development and other GNU software "
I also believe they wanna do it. And if it ever happen, I will join the BSD community and never again touch Linux. By the way, my two PCs are home-built and have a hardware 100% compatible with GhostBSD, which I'm starting to play with just for fun. Maybe Distrowatch's Jesse Smith should explore the BSDs a little bit more in his reviews.
34 • Redmond is looking for new lands to pillage... (by tom joad on 2023-05-30 15:02:56 GMT from Norway)
I used Windows for years, mostly because I didn't know any better and partly because I was in a rut and lazy.
But over time Redmond wore out its welcome with me. I moved to Linux and never, ever looked back.
If the Redmond folks want to come over here to try to work their 'MAGIC'...fine. All of us know the folks in Redmond DO NOT play well with others.Their shenanigans won't play well over here.
However, if they produce a good product that folks like, find useful and use...good. Otherwise their stuff will be kicked to curb as we do here.
Linux folks are an independent minded lot and given to being cantankerous too. Microsoft is into dominion. This could be interesting.
35 • @33 • Just can't get it (by Microsoft Enemy #1 from Brazil) (by Cubehead on 2023-05-30 15:05:06 GMT from Netherlands)
@32 • @28 - trolling, trolling, trolling, yeehah (by Will from VPN)
As I told you, either you misunderstand what "troll" means or reality has left you behind. Your choice.
The definition of "troll" clearly states that you either can't or do it on purpose—both turn into your disadvantage. ;)
@33 • Big Tech and Linux (by Microsoft Enemy #1 from Brazil)
Brain Enemy #1? ;)
Red Hat is owned by IBM. If they didn't have a GPL license, they would make BE #1 license—as long as it fit their interests. They join if it suits them, or they would create another license. ;)
The big companies continue releasing the software under any license that suits them, and you can take it or leave it and become a BSD-ghost. ;)
And... neither you understood my writing about "Microsoft made some of the best SW ever made," nor you were able to understand the sentence "Currently, the Linux Foundation sponsors Torvalds as he works full-time on improving Linux."
(Linux Foundation sponsor === https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members) ;)
Maybe use Deepl Translate next time? ;)
Sooner you go, better—you'll become one of those 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of "ghosts". ;)
As for the rest... the gamer community might be small, but thousands of times bigger than the "Linux religios fanatics on DW," which make not a 1% of 1% of 1%, while every third German is a (more or less) "gamer."
For your country, Linux is perfect, as that's the only thing that it can do—give you a free OS with a web browser that stays for days or weeks unpatched. ;)
No, Microsoft doesn't want to take over the kernel development, and if you believe that, then you are not only a "religious fanatic," but plain stupid. That would just cost them extra money, which they try to avoid by joining such "joint ventures," like being one of the biggest donors to the Linux Foundation. ;)
36 • @34 • (by tom joad, today from Norway) (by Cubehead on 2023-05-30 15:14:28 GMT from Netherlands)
The simple things are simple: your disadvantage is someone else's advantage.
You can preach "they know where you are" if the localization service runs, but the other guy tells you, "That's fine for me; I click the button and the Uber waits on me in front of my doors." ;)
To each her own—just don't preach!
37 • @33 • by Microsoft Enemy #1 from Brazil (by Cubehead on 2023-05-30 16:36:31 GMT from Netherlands)
"And there are thousands of poor people in Brazil still using Windows 7 because they had no money to make the switch to Windows 10, let alone Windows 11..."
Everybody... ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY with a legal Windows 7 license can upgrade to a Windows 10 or 11 as of today!
38 • @37 Win7 to Win10/11 (by Kazlu on 2023-05-31 08:13:44 GMT from France)
"Everybody... ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY with a legal Windows 7 license can upgrade to a Windows 10 or 11 as of today! "
No, everybody cannot. If it is true that it is *technically* possible to upgrade from Win7 to Win10, it takes some tinkering and knowledge. Easy enough when you know your way around computers, but the vast majority of people do not know how to do that and would be afraid to try because they might screw their computer and be left with nothing to work with. Win11? That is even worse!
39 • Win 7 to Win10/11 (by Dave Postles on 2023-05-31 09:06:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
I think they'll find that a PC which came with Win7 will not enough sufficient RAM to run 10/11 except sluggishly. My partner had a PC with Win7 with 2Mb RAM. She bought a new PC with 11 with more RAM. I took her old one, added 2Gb RAM, and ran MX on it. She had heard so many stories of upgrades that went awry that she didn't want to risk it. Later, I needed more space so I gave away the PC with PCLinuxOS to a single-parent family.
40 • Ballmer the embalmer and assorted FUD. (by Gordy on 2023-05-31 12:04:09 GMT from United States)
Good gracious! Here we go again. FUD is a two-way street.
Ballmer: The 2011 rant about Linux came about due to a misreading of the GPL. He believed that anything to which Linux attached had to become open-source, thus the "cancer" epithet. It turned out to be quite different. Linux and proprietary software got along quite beautifully. Ballmer acknowledged this in 2016. Since then, Microsoft has been an active user and promoter of Linux.
MS wants to take over Linux: Really! Why try to take over something which is available to you free and unlimited? MS gets the benefit of countless souls working away on open-source, creating software that they can adapt, clone or use as is. Why bring it in-house where you have to pay every developer and provide the infrastructure? Greed? I think it was Ballmer who said that the second most used desktop software is pirated Windows. Yet MS makes little effort to go after the pirates, except for some rather large and blatant ones. MS also makes little effort to make Windows harder to pirate. Yes, it's very easy, easier than learning to install Linux. Antone who has lived in Asia knows.
MS Linux. Windows has had the Linux subsystem available now for quite a while. No one has taken over anything. There is also a misconception among DW users that they represent the bulk of Linux use. In fact, the GNU/Linux desktop is a very small part of the Linux ecosystem, and in turn desktop Linux is a very small part of PC desktop use. A commenter here has said that it's the 1 percent of the 1 percent. He's right. It's as if Microsoft owned most of the world, but kept fighting greedily for a piece the size of Andorra. Not likely.
Linus Torvalds : He gets a comfortable and well-earned salary from the Linux Foundation. The LF is int urn funded by members. The 14 largest (Platinum) contributors are large corporations, Including, MS. Intel, Huawei, Red Hat (IBM), et al. Is anyone under the impression that Linux is funded by little contributions from grateful users?
It's about apps: Case in point: Huawei was on its way to dwarf Samsung and Apple in Smartphone sales. Then they got kicked out of the Google ecosystem. Outside of China they can't give their phones away. The Huawei in-house apps won't do. The GPL is a wonderful thing. It's in great part responsible for the variety and plenty that we desktop-Linux users enjoy. But it also makes it extremely difficult to monetize software directly. Developers need to eat and feed their families. Until that changes, proprietary software will rule the day, and desktop Linux will be just a small part. And please don't tell me about Wine. But there's nothing wrong with the Linux desktop market share. Grow or perish is not necessary in open-source.
@38, @39, It is a lot simpler to upgrade from 7 or 10 than to install Linux. I've done it many times. Not everyone can upgrade, but if the hardware can handle it, it's quite simple, just skip entering a key. Don't know if that's still available though. I run 32 Bit Win 10 and 64 Bit Win 11 VMs which were upgraded from 7.
41 • @38 • @37 Win7 to Win10/11 (by Kazlu from France) (by Cubehead on 2023-05-31 16:49:34 GMT from Netherlands)
"No, everybody cannot. If it is true that it is *technically* possible to upgrade from Win7 to Win10, it takes some tinkering and knowledge. Easy enough when you know your way around computers, but the vast majority of people do not know how to do that..."
"Tinkering and knowledge" were not necessary, but some preferred to call it "nag-screen."
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2993131/disable-windows-10-upgrade-nagware-on-windows-7-windows-81-computers.html
https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/
42 • MS & Linux (by José Augusto on 2023-05-31 18:52:10 GMT from Brazil)
Would anyone please inform to me the repositories for the instalation of MS Office for linux? As far as it does not exist, MS is still MS. To paraphrase Jean Meslier, without fear of being happy, "human beings will only be free when the last Microsoft software is hanged in the code of the last moribund Apple software"
43 • @42 • MS & Linux (by José Augusto from Brazil) (by Cubehead on 2023-05-31 19:37:07 GMT from Netherlands)
P.S.
BTW, Windows 10 was always (almost) freeware—if you installed it without a license, it would continue working forever; the only thing that stops working is the customization—after 30 days.
And MS Office... you get a free MS Office light if you have a free Outlook account.
Not all functionality, but all that an average Joe or Jane needs.
No need for a repository—just a free account. ;)
44 • some people prefer freedom over "free" (by Matt on 2023-05-31 20:42:40 GMT from United States)
I pay for my email service. I don't have a "free" account, because of all the strings attached to "free".
I use LibreOffice and have donated money to support its development. I'd rather do that than use Office 365 for "free".
The only way I have used Windows in the last 15 years or so is confined to a virtual machine in order to accomplish some specific task of very limited duration.
I would not care if Windows were always "free". You could not pay me money to use it.
Maybe there is a Microsoft employee here trying to convince the readers of Distrowatch how great the company is. You are fighting a losing battle. Very few people who know anything about Linux will ever agree that Microsoft is some benevolent big brother we should all love. It is the 1984 kind of big brother that everyone should stay far away from.
45 • @42, MS & Linux (by Gordy on 2023-06-01 00:11:54 GMT from United States)
"Would anyone please inform to me the repositories for the instalation of MS Office for linux?" Don't know what you'll install it on, since it's not a desktop distro. It's a container host for the cloud. However, the source code is on GitHub.
https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner
46 • @44, Free freedom (by RobertR on 2023-06-01 01:47:59 GMT from United States)
Conspiracy theories may be fun, but they are just that. Microsoft is no benevolent big brother, or any big brother at all. They fund Linux, along with other corporations purely out of self-interest. Linux is a benefit to them and their shareholders. I take it you never read "1984".
47 • @44 • some people prefer freedom over "free" (by Matt from United States) (by Cubehead on 2023-06-01 14:28:19 GMT from Netherlands)
"I pay... I use... I would..."
One "eye" against billion plus "eye's" is 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% minus. 😉
Just because you do not need it does not mean that others have no use for it.Occasionally, it is worthwhile to take a look beyond your own nose. 😉
What you call "freedom," billions would call HandycapOS. 😉
You use some half-working stuff because there's no other choice left—you are "forced." 😉
48 • Azure Linux (by PhantomTramp on 2023-06-02 18:44:21 GMT from United States)
All I want to know is, does it give you an azure screen when it crashes?
The Tramp
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