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1 • performance is everything (by pureformance on 2023-03-06 04:04:49 GMT from New Zealand)
Old hand Unix and Linux here. I find huge differences between distros, which kept me distro hopping for years. If you want slow and steady stability, along with cold start times of 2-3 minutes, go with Debian or Mint. On the same hardware you can cold boot in 20 seconds into Mabox, an Arch family member. But you sacrifice the comfort of a DE for a workable but different WM. All on the same hardware, Manjaro is stable and quick-ish at about a minute and Reborn OS is a good 10 seconds faster from cold.
Then you have running performance. Again I am finding Mint to be slower with each release - something they are now possibly going to address in 21.2. The Arches pull ahead with faster loading of applications and their overall operation.
2 • Linux phones (by Synchronicity on 2023-03-06 04:18:49 GMT from United States)
I’d love to see a viable alternative to the smartphone OS duopoly emerge, but even without all the issues Jesse describes, it’s going to be a hard slog competing not just against Google, Samsung, and Apple, but against Android custom ROMs like Graphene and Lineage, which have a similar vibe to Linux desktop distros and can run a vast range of apps now rather than on some hoped-for future.
3 • Performance (by Friar Tux on 2023-03-06 04:36:11 GMT from Canada)
@1 (pureformance) Actually, there is probably a dozen reasons for varied performance. The Wife and I have the same hardware, I use Linux Mint/Cinnamon which boots (cold start) in less than 20 seconds (same as your Mabox), while The Wife uses Linux Mint/Mate which boots in about 80 seconds, and Mate is supposed to be lighter than Cinnamon. (She also has fewer files and fewer apps on her system than I do.) We both use all default settings.
4 • performance (by fenglengshun on 2023-03-06 04:53:33 GMT from Ireland)
My rule of thumb is: if I don't notice it, good. If I notice it, then it better be a positive -- like being smoother than my usual expectations.
Also, stability is much more important to me. Garuda ships with a ton of tweaks meant for gaming, but on my system it didn't play well until I turned off most of them.
I'm currently using a 2 years old budget phone, I'm used to things being not very fast. What matters to me is that everything works. Performance is a nice bonus for me.
For PopOS, I think they ship a patched kernels that's meant to be better for gaming. It isn't as heavily modified as Xanmod, Nobara or Tkg kernels, but AFAIK it is somewhat modified.
Also, I agree that immutable cores make a lot of sense in mobile context. Which makes me wonder about the IoT context.
5 • performance! (by Titus_Groan on 2023-03-06 05:53:39 GMT from New Zealand)
which is most important.?
bootup speed? only matters when you boot- if you only re/boot once a month or so, does it really matter? *top* says its been 11 days, 23 hrs since I last booted, likely an kernel update.
enery efficiency? if you use modern hardware, it will be much more energy efficient than a not so new piece of kit.
Application loading speed? again modern hardware will be pretty much instantaneous - useful if you are dealing with thousands of files a day, but time saved for the average user opening only a few hundred files a day not so much. The older the hardware, the longer it is going to take, as newer processors are just doing the same as older hardware, but doing it faster, if other hardware is similarly spec'd.
update reliability? this one is probably most important to me. I want my system to *just work*, I don't want to work to *make it work*.
All of the above are *performance benchmarks* for me.
6 • Original Pinephone Additional Install Links: (by Mainbrain on 2023-03-06 06:22:18 GMT from Canada)
From "February update: things are taking shape":
Comunity Nemo Mobile:
https://img.nemomobile.net/2023.05/
Arch:
https://github.com/dreemurrs-embedded/Pine64-Arch/releases
Verified
202004 Community Ubuntu Touch
https://gitlab.com/ook37/pinephone-pro-debos/-/releases
For Mobian I believe Tow-boot is only required for the PinePhonePro not the original. It really is like a mobile version of Grub and does not appear to impede U-boot images.
Packages here (Show all 22 assets):
https://github.com/Tow-Boot/Tow-Boot/releases
Instructions here:
https://tow-boot.org/devices/pine64-pinephoneA64.html
I have been unable to get the community SailfishOS "flash-it.sh" to work to at least try it:
https://github.com/sailfish-on-dontbeevil/documentation/wiki/Installation
Also unable to get glodroid to install as well.
7 • @6 Mobian with or without Tow-Boot (by Alexandru on 2023-03-06 06:46:41 GMT from Romania)
I recently updated my PinePhone (not Pro) with fresh Mobian and nowadays it requires Tow-Boot
8 • PinePhone (Pro) Community (by Alexandru on 2023-03-06 06:53:26 GMT from Romania)
Recently (I really don't remember when) in a monthly blog, Pine64 run a quiz about preferred operating system for PinePhone (Pro). Unfortunately, several reviews of different OSes for PinePhone here touched mostly the least popular systems. Not surprisingly, the result is disappointment. Please, listen to community.
9 • Linux Performance (by Alexandru on 2023-03-06 06:56:26 GMT from Romania)
I expected to find more standard tools to fine-tuning the processes in Linux: top, ps, nice, renice, kill, etc.
10 • @8 Pine64 community poll results fro PinePhone OSes (by Alexandru on 2023-03-06 07:00:15 GMT from Romania)
https://www.pine64.org/2022/01/31/pinephone-community-poll-results/
11 • yes, performance is important today (by Torsten on 2023-03-06 08:00:27 GMT from Germany)
I believe a good performance is one of the first things that a new Linux user wants to see, because this is what he's used when he still had Windows and most of them expects things the same in a Linux distribution, too. And also for me (who's running Linux for almost 18 years), a good performance is a nice and good thing. Indeed, I am too old and too tired to fix everything of my own when I set up a new or another distribution. I do not have the time for fixing everything anymore.
12 • EndeavourOS Systemd Boot Option (by David on 2023-03-06 08:12:58 GMT from United States)
The most recent EndeavourOS .ISO offers a systemd boot option, in addition to the standard GRUB option.
I've found no other distros popping open with systemd boot, though they may indeed exist.
I must say, it has been pretty sweet sailing on my hardware, in terms of rapid boot and poweroff times, though YMMV.
I ditched plain vanilla Arch for EndeavourOS/XFCE on my three machines, a match made in heaven for my work flow, and I do not regret making the move.
I've got the LTS kernel on one machine, and the mainline on the other two, and they boot/shutdown about the same time.
If you've got no reservations with systemd, then check out EOS, just for fun.
13 • Performance (by Dr.J on 2023-03-06 08:22:37 GMT from Germany)
I have ticked that performance is important, and indeed any form of performance. Some of the previous answers have already made it clear that performance can mean many things: boot speed, application speed, update speed and reliability, error-proneness, unnecessary complexity, and so on. They are all important for one reason: the computer is a tool for me and I don't want to spend unnecessary time with the tool. My distro-hopping in the past always had the goal to reach an optimum here, which is fortunately possible with Linux. In this respect, I am now very satisfied with the performance of my system. (Of course, this is not only about software. I remember well the time when I switched to SSD hard disks. What a boost!)
14 • Mobile phone OS (by Dave Postles on 2023-03-06 08:30:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
I still have my ZTE Firefox OS phone. What let it down, IMHO, as in the case of so many cheaper phones, was the build. I now have a KaiOS (derivative of FirefoxOS) 'feature phone' which was slightly more expensive but with a better build.
15 • Performance of your Linux distribution. (by eb on 2023-03-06 08:35:44 GMT from France)
If you find your Linux distro is slow, the first thing to do is to abandon Desktop Environments, and prefer a comfortable Window Manager like Fluxbox or Openbox. It helps a lot, especially on old hardwares. If you think you absolutely need a Desktop Environment, then choose a light one, like Xfce or Lxde.
And as underlined Jesse Smith (thanks to him), reduce services.
Costless ; simple !:-).
16 • but what matters (by thim on 2023-03-06 09:43:20 GMT from Greece)
I had noticed that runit boots faster than traditional init system iterations and and that xfce loads faster than plasma.
But for me, these things are unimportant.
The most important thing is what happens next. How responsive is the running system, the running distro, how fast applications are loading etc. This, combined with system maintenance and administration, are the decisive factors when choosing a distro. Maintenance and administration means upgrading, ways of building and/or installing software, tweaking or adjusting anything (swappiness, noatime, setting background services included): it's of paramount importance to feel like in home with this.
Distrohopping for finding the fastest of the fastest, will result to upset my routine and my habits in the quest for achieving a boost rather questionable in real life situations.
PS: out of curiosity, i have performed in the past some benchmarks (slackware, devuan, void, same hw and desktop, typing "time foobar.app"). The differences were mixed and almost negligible.
17 • Performance for sprinters, marathons or cross-country navigators? (by Greg Zeng on 2023-03-06 10:36:16 GMT from Australia)
The current discussion assumes that Linux is used only for 50-meter sprinters. So Windows Manasgers or lightweight Desktop Environments are suggested. Genuine "performance": users might prefer CLI-only settings provided by IoT or server Linux operating systems.
More Linux creators prefer XFCE, with the files handled by Thunar file management. This forces the users to default to handling files just once each time, compared to multiple selections on others, such as Nemo, Dolphin or Caja. For this reason, multi-purpose, flexible Linux users might prefer avoiding the speed-performance limitations of XFCE-based systems.
Generally, it is difficult to avoid the chains of the Thunar file handler. KDE can be run in a very slim mode, to equal these speed-perfomance requirements. Hoewver the extreme flexibility & power available to KDE can be an easy hazard for most users of any computer operating system. One day the KDE team might allow a better undo, or a settings-save solution to bypass these dangers.
18 • performance (by James on 2023-03-06 12:45:27 GMT from United States)
Performance is what I care about. Eye candy and gimmicks hold no value for me.
19 • performance (by tomas on 2023-03-06 13:15:14 GMT from Czechia)
I know that the time needed to boot into Linux is not the only (and decisive) criteria to measure the performance of a distribution nevertheless I use it as rule of thumb.
The numbers given by @1 surprise me - on my older PC and running from HD Linux Mint 19 Mate is the fastest with 0:48 minute from GRUB menu to full desktop with autologin. Manjaro with KDE desktop seems to be the slowest with 1:40. (Booting from SSD cuts down the time by half.)
As far as Mint is concerned I have come to several experiences - when it still offered the KDE desktop its performance in KDE, Mate or XFCE did not make noticeable difference to me, now only Mate and XFCE are there because I do not like Cinnamon (not to be configured to my preferences); it is true that Mint is slower by each release Mint 20 and 21 Mate takes about 1:20 and I still did not find out why; I do not expect to see much improvement in Mint 21.2 - when I read what is going to be improved it seems centered exclusively on Cinnamon.
I wonder why the developers insist on configuring their distributions to run out of the box with all the visual effects and background services enabled by default. Do they rely on users using the most up-to-date HW?
I usually disable most of the effects not because of performance but because they disturb me from what I am doing. Recently I have tried to solve the problem of auto-resizing the Control Center window in Mate and the solution opens the window in its default size and then needs a 0.6s time before changing to the required size. I hate the resulting animation effect.
IMHO for most of us it would be great to get some overview of what to disable after fresh install of any distribution.
Is there a distribution that ships with these settings cut down to minimum?
20 • Relative speed of distros (by Josh Smith on 2023-03-06 15:23:52 GMT from Australia)
I did once have a need for speed and tried using Gentoo so I could optimize settings manually and that turned out to be a frustrating mess. Nowadays, I just go with what works and has good enough performance for me.
21 • gofast computer (by ET on 2023-03-06 16:13:00 GMT from United Kingdom)
Tried Gnome,KDE,XFCE, etc, some may be a bit faster but they're all pretty much OK to me.
What really slows things down is web browser, all the cr@p the pages make you download and the distracting bloated video ads.
Sometimes I only want the text so it's Elinks or similar. Fast, and sanity is preserved!
22 • performance: noise, battery life, and heat (by Matt on 2023-03-06 18:23:26 GMT from United States)
I have a Dell Precision mobile workstation that is annoying to use without major consideration of power management configuration. With default settings on Windows, the laptop is hot and noisy. Linux allows me to more easily use integrated graphics only when needed, scale down CPU frequency when the CPU is not being taxed, and employ a lightweight desktop environment (XFCE). Linux is a great improvement over Windows for this machine.
The one thing I can't fix with software on this laptop is Dell's awful thermal management hardware design choices. It has only a single fan attached to a long snaking heat pipe that covers both the GPU and CPU. Results in virtually zero airflow over the NVME drive, memory, and WIFI module.
23 • Distro Performance (by Otis on 2023-03-06 22:01:59 GMT from United States)
I agree a bit with @4, but not completely, as I do read distro site notes prior to deciding whether or not I'll be downloading/installing. If speed/performance is mentioned there then it's a good chance that is one of the priorities as the distro is being developed and maintained. Big Plus.
On the other hand it may not be mentioned and still do just fine in that department. But, as in my experiences with Suse and Fedora as examples, I DO notice slow performance, and with both of those distros and many others across many versions of their products over many years, and on many machines. So... if it's slow I stay away unless I'm in the mood to give it another try.
There are many many very fast Linux and BSD distos out there, no reason to have a sluggish computer.
24 • Manjaro Unbootable (by GT on 2023-03-07 15:56:40 GMT from United States)
I quit using Arch for the same reason you had with Manjaro. If you go too long between updates, the machine will refuse to boot. After the third time that happened to me, I switched to Debian.
25 • performance (by Old Linux Guy on 2023-03-07 16:31:48 GMT from Canada)
Performance is important to me. I use old equipment.
26 • Performance (by bittermann on 2023-03-07 17:20:42 GMT from United States)
Stability and compatibility have always been priority over performance. You can switch desktop environments, tweak settings or wait for developer improvements. If using older equipment I can see it as a higher priority, but for me that is a non issue.
27 • Performans (by ayemkreyziboy on 2023-03-07 20:05:14 GMT from Turkey)
If I get a million dollar supercomputer, I'll install BionicPup32 again, I'm such a maniac :D
28 • Performance (by Justin on 2023-03-08 18:33:36 GMT from United States)
Why do I want a compositor? I always see articles saying to turn it off to help your computer, but why is it there in the first place if it's good to turn it off?
All the features are turned on because everyone else does that. Windows and Mac do this to impress the masses or because they don't want support calls about how X doesn't work because the user didn't install that driver or turn on that service. You get only one first impression, you don't want that to be that things are broken.
29 • Performance, @28 compositor (by Goyo on 2023-03-09 01:53:17 GMT from United States)
Regardless of the explanations I've read, I find performance in general to vary quite a bit between distros one would expect to be closer to each other. On the same machine: Ubuntu Lunar boots speedily and I see no perceptible lag opening apps. Feren OS, which is based on Ubuntu 20.04 boots slowly and feels sluggish on the desktop. Sparky KDE boots very fast and has a snappy desktop, but idles at 1780 MB, which is more than double my experience with other distros. Armbian for Intel boots to Gnome desktop in under 20 seconds from a USB flash drive and idles at less than 600MB and the desktop is af responsive as if it ran from my SSD.
I find to slow a boot annoying, since I turn off the PC once or more a day. Slow opening apps can also be an annoyance. Snaps have improved, and I no longer see so much difference at first opening.
@28, "Why do I want a compositor?" For the same reason I just bought a car with two-tone paint: Looks. I like my desktop to look nice. I like the transparencies and closing and opening effects. Except on Virtualbox with DEs like Deepin or Cinnamon, I see no performance degradation. I expect people with old hardware may feel different. Distros as a whole require more resources these days, so compositing is something that can be disabled with no loss of productivity. Back maybe 10 or 12 years ago Compiz was all the rage, and Linux sites were full of spinning cubes and exploding apps. I tried it then, and my middle-of-the-road hardware at the time could handle it fine, so it seems to be more than just compositing that makes those machines sluggish today.
30 • Performance (by Simon on 2023-03-09 08:35:36 GMT from New Zealand)
Gentoo is, not surprisingly, the fastest of the (many) distros I've tried, because you can build everything to take advantage of your specific CPU's optimisations and so on... but it's not enough of a difference these days to be significant: it's only really noticeable if you're doing stuff like media transcoding. In fact simpler distros like Slackware, or even Arch, feel subjectively faster sometimes (I guess because they tend to boot a bit faster and things like package management are so much faster), even though it turns out that they're slower when you benchmark them.
I like the stability and ease-of-use and widespread support and so on for the Ubuntu family, but Mint XFCE feels a little bit slow after running XFCE on Gentoo. Only for a day or two though, when you can still remember the feel of the Gentoo desktop: after a while you no longer care that an application takes another half second to load up... especially when updating that application now takes 20 seconds instead of 20 minutes. Gentoo is worth the effort if every last % of performance is important to you... but I think most people would waste so much time achieving that performance that it would be a foolish trade-off: it would take more than a lifetime of half-a-second-faster application loads to make up for the months of learning Gentoo and building the optimised desktop that runs that tiny bit faster.
31 • Performance means what??? (by tom joad on 2023-03-10 16:42:11 GMT from United States)
Performance.
To me performance means stability, predictability and dependability. I don't care that much about speed in booting or whatever. One measures 'speed,' if performance equals speed in this discussion, in tiny fractions of a second anyway. How much inconvenience is there in a few second this way or that?
Performance means a lot of different things to a lot of different folks. We are not just talking about apples and oranges here. We are discussing the whole fruit cart!
Performance to me means a 'steady eddie.'
On a side note. I have finally begun learning server software. I have an old mid tower with nothing much to do. Oh, yeah, I know, long over due dabbling in server software. I have just discovered ssh for the first time too. That is pretty nifty! I know, I know, a lot of folks reading this are giggling. Yeah, I am late to the party. Whatever. Through all of that I had a realization. One will learn and or recall a lot of Linux commands and structure in a terminal playing with server stuff.
Yup, the old dog will be learning some brand new tricks.
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| • Issue 1118 (2025-04-21): Fedora 42, strange characters in Vim, Nitrux introduces new package tools, Fedora extends reproducibility efforts, PINE64 updates multiple devices running Debian |
| • Issue 1117 (2025-04-14): Shebang 25.0, EndeavourOS 2025.03.19, running applications from other distros on the desktop, Debian gets APT upgrade, Mint introduces OEM options for LMDE, postmarketOS packages GNOME 48 and COSMIC, Redox testing USB support |
| • Issue 1116 (2025-04-07): The Sense HAT, Android and mobile operating systems, FreeBSD improves on laptops, openSUSE publishes many new updates, Fedora appoints new Project Leader, UBports testing VoLTE |
| • Issue 1115 (2025-03-31): GrapheneOS 2025, the rise of portable package formats, MidnightBSD and openSUSE experiment with new package management features, Plank dock reborn, key infrastructure projects lose funding, postmarketOS to focus on reliability |
| • Issue 1114 (2025-03-24): Bazzite 41, checking which processes are writing to disk, Rocky unveils new Hardened branch, GNOME 48 released, generating images for the Raspberry Pi |
| • Issue 1113 (2025-03-17): MocaccinoOS 1.8.1, how to contribute to open source, Murena extends on-line installer, Garuda tests COSMIC edition, Ubuntu to replace coreutils with Rust alternatives, Chimera Linux drops RISC-V builds |
| • Issue 1112 (2025-03-10): Solus 4.7, distros which work with Secure Boot, UBports publishes bug fix, postmarketOS considers a new name, Debian running on Android |
| • Issue 1111 (2025-03-03): Orbitiny 0.01, the effect of Ubuntu Core Desktop, Gentoo offers disk images, elementary OS invites feature ideas, FreeBSD starts PinePhone Pro port, Mint warns of upcoming Firefox issue |
| • Issue 1110 (2025-02-24): iodeOS 6.0, learning to program, Arch retiring old repositories, openSUSE makes progress on reproducible builds, Fedora is getting more serious about open hardware, Tails changes its install instructions to offer better privacy, Murena's de-Googled tablet goes on sale |
| • Issue 1109 (2025-02-17): Rhino Linux 2025.1, MX Linux 23.5 with Xfce 4.20, replacing X.Org tools with Wayland tools, GhostBSD moving its base to FreeBSD -RELEASE, Redox stabilizes its ABI, UBports testing 24.04, Asahi changing its leadership, OBS in dispute with Fedora |
| • Issue 1108 (2025-02-10): Serpent OS 0.24.6, Aurora, sharing swap between distros, Peppermint tries Void base, GTK removinglegacy technologies, Red Hat plans more AI tools for Fedora, TrueNAS merges its editions |
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