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1 • risiOS (by Frank on 2022-12-12 01:37:32 GMT from United States)
RisiOS it is a great distro, thank you for adding it to the database!!
2 • OpenBSD (by Jean on 2022-12-12 02:11:21 GMT from United States)
Is Wayland available for OpenBSD? It is considered more secure than legacy X.
3 • OpenBSD sound (by Xor on 2022-12-12 02:19:25 GMT from United States)
create /etc/mixerctl.conf, put in:
outputs.master=255,255
Reboot. Audio enabled and working.
4 • OpenBSD LiveCD! (by Frisky on 2022-12-12 02:28:09 GMT from Ukraine)
Someone should REALLY make an up-to-date OpenBSD LiveCD. And, no, I'm not talking about the ancient and dead projects you'll find in a web search. I'm suggesting a new, active project with determined individual(s). It would be one heck of a tool to use. I'd trust it a lot more than I trust the TAILS Linux distribution.
5 • OpenBSD and X (by anon on 2022-12-12 03:01:27 GMT from United States)
OpenBSD uses its own security-focused fork of X, known as Xenocara, which was forked from Xorg 7.3. The display manager is Xenodm.
6 • Tired of chasing my 'Tails'... (by Tom Joad on 2022-12-12 03:27:45 GMT from United States)
@4
There was a time I used Tails alot, like everyday. I found it useful, comforting in the ever increasingly sketchy internet. Tails seemed to allow me to do what I needed or wanted to get done.
But over time it became troublesome. There was the endless upgrades if one could smoothly do an upgrade. Many times upgrading a version for arduous and time consuming. Worse, one misstep in the process and back one went to square one.
Another issue was the time it took to load. And if you didn't do one step, like the persistence, one had to reboot and start over. And if you changed anything in persistence one had to reboot too to use whatever was changed. It was never possible to open and close persistence in the 'fly' either. Tails had some quirks in it that were just odd. One that truly annoyed me was the mac address change was never, ever truly random. Mint does that now.
Tails uses the dreaded SystemD. Everyone here knows the issues and controversy that swirls with using SystemD for anything. Tails uses the ever slow Gnome interface or whatever.
After a good bit of time using it, I just walked away for Tails.
These days I do a VPN and or TOR when ever I think I need something extra.
There is an increasing need for something like Tails to protect yourself online but Tails ain't it. Or Tails in its current configuration is not it. Tails is too slow, cranky and, worse, to slow to change and innovate.
I tried TENS but that was crankier than Tails. And very recently the USAF 'walked away' from the whole project. TENS now just lays dormant.
Ed Snowden pulled back the curtain so to speak. We know what we face online these days. It is like 'they' have tanks and 'we' have bows and arrows. As time passes privacy online, or the lack of it, will just get worse. We need more than bows and arrows. We need some seriously good armor.
Sorry about the rambling. Hopefully I was marginally coherent.
7 • Try FuguIta for OpenBSD-based live system (by Alex on 2022-12-12 09:13:23 GMT from Japan)
@4
https://fuguita.org/
It is an active project and there are some small tools bundled with it to make it easier to use (I guess, I never used it before). IIRC the project makes periodical releases, similar to the release schedule of OpenBSD.
8 • OEM install (by James on 2022-12-12 11:19:19 GMT from United States)
I haven't done and OEM install for years, but some used to be hidden.
(For BIOS/Legacy/CSM installs (untested in Ubuntu 20.04)) Press any key to interrupt the LiveCD/LiveUSB autoboot; then press F4 and select OEM Install, and then "Install Ubuntu"
9 • @6 - Heads? (by Uncle Slacky on 2022-12-12 11:31:54 GMT from France)
There is (or was) also "heads" (https://heads.dyne.org/) but it seems to have been abandoned. It was much like Tails, but it was 32-bit and could even be fitted on CD-ROM, and didn't use systemd.
10 • Install linux without user account (by Didier Spaier on 2022-12-12 12:43:09 GMT from France)
No need for OEM to do that.
Install Linux, then as soon as done remove the user account. This can be done from the installer, chroot-ing to the installed system before rebooting, or from a live system used to install (also using chroot), or from the installed system after having rebooted.
11 • OEM Install (by Jesse on 2022-12-12 14:20:45 GMT from Canada)
@10: "No need for OEM to do that. Install Linux, then as soon as done remove the user account."
Then how is the person who receives the computer supposed to set up their user and password? Do you expect the person acquiring the computer to be able to download a live disc, chroot into their new OS, and create a user account? Remember, if there is no account, there is no way for them to sign in and, using the above method, no first-run wizard to create an account for them.
12 • OEM Install (by Marco on 2022-12-12 15:42:46 GMT from United States)
@11 I assume @10 would share the root password. That works for some installers, but other installers disable root.
13 • OEM installation (by David on 2022-12-12 16:58:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
My mail computer runs PCLinuxOS which treats all installations like OEM: the root password and first user are set at first boot. My other has Debian which offers no OEM facility as far as I know; when do they ever choose the helpful option?
14 • OpenBSD and Desktop environments ... ditto for Linux (by tomas on 2022-12-12 17:36:12 GMT from Czechia)
In his review of OpenBSD Jesse writes that installing a desktop environment is not quite easy.
You have to read some third party guides, use the command line and edit configuration files.
As with software management, something "unusual for people coming from most Linux distributions".
This makes me remember my only objection to the information on Distrowatch.
There are 11 desktops displayed for OpenBSD there, while the guide from the link states that there are packages for Xfce, Gnome, Mate and KDE, that is 4.
I suppose that an expert can install any desktop on almost every Linux distribution, but for an ordinary user the information supplied should be more precise.
As there are different ways how to choose the desktop during installation, I would propose to make a distinction between:
- default desktop (a list for distributions providing individual images, just one for only live ISO)
- installable desktops (a list for desktops chosen in the installer application)
- (and maybe) provided desktops (for those in distribution repositories).
I will give 2 more examples of what makes me propose this:
Reading the last review on Void, I told myself again I should try it. From the list of desktops listed on Distrowatch MATE is the one I would choose, but on the download pages only Xfce is available.
When I installed RebornOS on my computer, I did not like the Gnome desktop of the live media (it is not made for me), but the installer offers you to install your favorite one (out of many). Distrowatch lists only Gnome, maybe this is the reason why it is rated so badly (rank 70) compared to EndeavourOS (rank 2).
15 • OEM Install (by Justin on 2022-12-12 17:40:44 GMT from United States)
I've seen the option but never knew what it meant. I'd be interested in this being more common. The Windows installer works this way. That installer does some disk partitioning, copies over all the files, then boots from the new system and runs what people more associate with the installer. FYI, you can manually copy files over yourself for weird corner cases like needing to install Win7 from a USB3 device (no drivers exist, so the installation media disappears).
I'm not suggesting giving up on chroot and delaying so much installation to first boot, but at least the option for deferred account creation is nice to have.
16 • 12 • OEM Install (by Marco on 2022-12-12 15:42:46 GMT from United States) (by DidierSpaier on 2022-12-12 21:07:22 GMT from France)
Yes. But I would not use a Linux system that disable root. Unless maybe if only designated users can run administrative commands using sudo (but if these users have to be created after installation, root has to be enabled). Anyway I find safer to allow sudo only if the password for root is requested, not the regular user's password. This is the default in the disribution I maintain, and also in OpenSUSE if I remember correctly.
17 • Tomas Hrcka wrong about Fedora 36 EOL (by El Cid on 2022-12-13 01:11:27 GMT from United States)
Tomas Hrcka:
'Fedora 36 will continue to receive updates until approximately one month after the release of Fedora 37.'
No it won't. One month after F37 is like, tomorrow. F36 will get update till May of next year.
https://endoflife.date/fedora
18 • Fedora EOL (by Jesse on 2022-12-13 01:24:07 GMT from Canada)
@17: I think that's a typo in the Fedora announcement. A few parts of it appear to be copy-pasted from the F34 EOL announcement and don't really make sense in the current context. It should probably say F36 will be supported until a month after F38 is released.
19 • Poor Admin Practice (by Trihexagonal on 2022-12-13 01:50:58 GMT from United States)
No, there are no ownerless accounts on FreeBSD or Kali GNU/Linux and should not be.
FreeBSD has you set u a root account then gives you the opportunity to set up one or more usr accounts during the build. I always make one for myself an that's it. A user can't mount a USB stick or do anything that will bork the System.
Kali has a usr account with sudo, which I never really cared for but have learned to like. Not love, like and I never make a root account on Kali. A user can have it set to automount a USB stick and with sudo can mess anything up they're not competent to undertake.
If they can install it first.
20 • @6 Tails (by penguinx86 on 2022-12-13 02:39:30 GMT from United States)
I agree with Tom Jode. Tails startup time is unacceptably slow. It seems to need an update every time I use it and it's very difficult to configure. Liberte' Linux had a much shorter startup time and didn't hound you with update messages. But unfortunatly, Liberte' hasn't had any updates for 10 years.
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=liberte
21 • openbsd (by matt on 2022-12-13 06:30:56 GMT from United States)
no mention of cwm? It's also installed by default, and it's extremely minimal. Might be my favorite WM.
I would also suggest anyone new to OpenBSD should check out the FAQ, it's updated with each new release and covers all the basics. OpenBSD is known for its documentation, so it's worth it, rather than googling like you would with (say) linux mint or ubuntu
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html
22 • OEM Install (by Rocky Raab on 2022-12-13 18:16:58 GMT from United States)
Mint has an OEM option, but it is semi-hidden. You press any key during the "countdown" when booting live medium. That takes you to an install menu that deletes any temporary user/password you enter and places an icon on the desktop to ready the system for the end user to sign on.
I install Mint quite often for people. This OEM option works great. I wish other OS had it, Zorin in particular, which is my other install choice for newbies to Linux.
23 • OEM... (by Friar Tux on 2022-12-13 20:25:53 GMT from Canada)
@22 (Rocky) Never had occasion to use OEM install. When I install a new Linux OS, the user is usually there since a distro only take a few minutes to fully install. The user name and passwords are usually available on the spot. The one time I DID have to install a distro without the user present I was supplied with the name and password in writing. Since I'm the goto IT guy, anyway, I usually get to keep all the user names and passwords - at least until the user becomes proficient and changes their's to something different. And NO, I have never used this "privilege" to snoop into anyone's files. I have a very strong sense of other folk's privacy.
24 • MX Linux OEM (by Chris Whelan on 2022-12-14 11:21:41 GMT from United Kingdom)
Although not immediately obvious, MX Linux allows for making OEM installs. You need to start the installer from a terminal with a switch:
sudo minstall --oem
This is documented in the MX Linux Wiki.
25 • OpenBSD + X (by John on 2022-12-14 18:39:44 GMT from Canada)
One thing to note, when running X (xenodm), it is not run as "root" but under user ID "_x11". This has been the case for many years. This makes xenodm more secure than X under Linux, which I believe still has components executing with ID "root".
see: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html
26 • Survey_&_Review (by JBCD on 2022-12-14 21:19:43 GMT from Australia)
OEM? MX yes AntiX no, I think
Thank you Jessie for your OpenBSD review. I appreciate the warnings to potential users about the amount of work involved. I've great respect for BSD in general and have often tried to Distro Hop in their direction, not to be taken lightly, dedication and understanding (& time if understanding is low) is definitely required. Thanks for keeping up the good work DistroWatch.
P.S. I'd love to see a story or the like about User Id numbers, 1000 for Debian etc and why they're different across, sometimes, common platforms.
27 • @27 OEM? (by anticapitalista on 2022-12-14 22:11:50 GMT from Greece)
antiX is also Yes
28 • KDE Plasma version of Vanilla OS (by Elcaset on 2022-12-15 01:06:49 GMT from United States)
Too bad there isn't a KDE Plasma version of Vanilla OS. If they were to create one, I would definitely use it. Sure, a person could install Vanilla OS, then add KDE Plasma to it. However, there would be no support for it from the Vanilla developers.
29 • OEM nstall (by penguinx86 on 2022-12-15 03:45:58 GMT from United States)
Linux Mint offered an OEM install for a while. I NEVER used it, because it was incompatible with the wifi adapter in my laptop.
30 • Tails bloated whales (by Ben on 2022-12-15 20:41:56 GMT from Germany)
RE: Tails Linux
They should run XFCE and/or Fluxbox.
I don't care why they say they use Gnome instead of something lighter but it turns away many users because of the unnecessary bloat! And if you dig deeper you'll notice a lot of bloated programs which really shouldn't be on the system, it just increases the attack surface (among other things.)
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Joli OS was an Ubuntu-based Linux distribution. It was geared towards extreme user-friendliness so that any computer user can install it with just one click. Besides the standard ISO image, the distribution was also provided as a Windows executable file which can resize an existing Windows partition and install Joli OS as an alternative operating system. Other Joli OS features include heavy orientation towards web application and services, online backup option, web-based software installation interface, inclusion of proprietary hardware drivers and non-free media codecs, and extensive social networking features.
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