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1 • OpenBSD's pledge (by Michael on 2022-08-08 01:21:15 GMT from United States)
I use OpenBSD as my primary workstation, so tools security tools like pledge and unveil are included by default with my browsers and some other programs.
2 • Linux Mint (by Jimbo on 2022-08-08 02:11:23 GMT from United States)
I found the phrases "everything about it feels unusually polished" and "it's an unusually smooth and easy experience" amusing, as if there is something suspicious about Mint not being the rough-around-the-edges, Frankenstein-concoction that most other distros are.
3 • @2 and Linux Mint (by justworking on 2022-08-08 02:43:06 GMT from Australia)
@2 well said, says it all about what people want/expect from an operating system. Heaven forbid it actually works well out of the box, wouldn't give us anything to tinker with now, would it?
By the way I tend to run Firejail on third-party applications that don't come through the package manager. Works well (Jesse has a good guide on here somewhere to setting it up) in a just-in-case scenario.
4 • @2 (by Simon on 2022-08-08 04:11:56 GMT from New Zealand)
Well, it's a third generation distro with two of the very biggest distros as its parent and grandparent (Ubuntu and Debian), so it's standing on the shoulders of giants... it starts with a parent that's already a polished up version of Debian. As such it's a major distro that doesn't have much to do except polish up (some more) what's already been polished up by others... so frankly it ought to be a pretty smooth experience for users, by that stage! Fortunately it is: Mint not only works with fewer technical hassles, it also makes sane, sensible design decisions that fit with user intuitions, instead of trying to be "innovative" (like some Ubuntu and GNOME devs) in ways that have contempt for normal user experience. Mint deserves its place near the very top of the Distrowatch hit list: it's a fine distro.
5 • @3 - Jesse's firejail how-to (by Andy Prough on 2022-08-08 04:16:39 GMT from United States)
@justworking >"By the way I tend to run Firejail on third-party applications that don't come through the package manager. Works well (Jesse has a good guide on here somewhere to setting it up) in a just-in-case scenario."
Jesse's firejail how-to is in the February 22, 2016 DistroWatch Weekly.
On antiX GNU/Linux, I presently need to install both the firejail and firejail-profiles packages to use firejail. I think that may be the current setup for Debian and all its sub-distros.
6 • Yes and No on Mint (by Dave on 2022-08-08 04:24:26 GMT from United States)
Mint is functionally solid and I often recommend it to Windows users interested in trying Linux.
But I personally dislike Mint’s Windows-clone UI, and Cinnamon lacks the customizability to take it in a different direction the way you can with Plasma.
7 • Qubes OS (by ro0t on 2022-08-08 05:45:51 GMT from France)
I use qubes os for sandboxing :D
8 • Timeshift: the dust under the carpet (by Patroclo on 2022-08-08 09:33:21 GMT from Italy)
"I've mentioned Timeshift a few times now. It's a graphical utility which will take snapshots of our filesystem (using either rsync or Btrfs snapshots). These snapshots can be stored somewhere for quick access later, assisting us in recovering data files or rolling back the operating system to an earlier point."
With Debian and Mageia I never needed to use a "snapshot manager", because updates never make the operating system unstable. Probably Ubuntu's lack of care for desktop distributions ends up infecting Linuxmint as well. I hope Linuxmint will soon break away from Canonical to become a curated and easy-to-use Debian Stable derivative (LMDE).
9 • UX on mint (by Charlie on 2022-08-08 09:38:43 GMT from Hong Kong)
I noticed from mint's blog that their developers focus on many little things that few distros pay attention to.
Like how they design the update widgets to remind users to update their system without disrupting their normal routine, how timeshift helps users to backup, and many little tools just to make daily operation more smooth.
While most major Linux distros work on major technology advancements like file systems, init, package managers etc, it is the UX that affects general and desktop users' experiences. Their working attitude reminds me of Apple Inc in the old days.
It's a shame that their tools gain little attention and credit outside their own circle, no one wants to port them to other distros. I'm not a Mint/Mate/Cinnamon fan actually and I'm already more accustomed to other distros. But it's really a pity that they work on their own with all those useful little tools and gadgets.
10 • Linux Mint (by Simon Plaistowe on 2022-08-08 11:25:41 GMT from New Zealand)
Linux Mint gets my vote as daily driver. My distro-hopping days are done. I've been running Mint on all my workstations for over a decade now, with very few problems. Can't say the same for many other distros I've tried over the years.
11 • Mint Should Hide Timeshift's BTRFS Capability (by joncr on 2022-08-08 11:34:27 GMT from United States)
What the Mint team should do is just hide, or eliminate, the BTRFS capability in Timeshift.
Ordinary users, of the "just works" variety Mint correctly targets, don't need to, and should not be expected to, understand the difference between filesystem schemes and should never be expected to have the skills needed to manually create any kind of partitioning and filesystem arrangement.
Professional users, and folks who use Linux to scratch a tech itch, can always create BTRFS or whatever they wish, with or without a GUI installer's assistance.
12 • Mint (by Otis on 2022-08-08 12:54:48 GMT from United States)
@6 @10 I have no true "daily driver," as there are several distros that are perfect for me at different times on different machines. And I'm not sure I understand the remarks about some distros having a "windows like desktop," such as Mint's default. It's also Zorin's default. Gentle reminder: We can immediately cause our linux desktop to have any appearance and functionality we want it to have, pretty much no matter the distro. I'm running Zorin right now, the distro that brags about looking like Windows, and on my desktop it looks nothing like windows at all; and that took me all of five minutes or so.
13 • Mint (by Adihash on 2022-08-08 14:58:00 GMT from Croatia)
meh.
no KDE, no interest.
Can't use distro with no decent desktop
14 • Linux Mint 21 (by jean on 2022-08-08 15:49:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
I installed Mint 21 on a new HDD and had no issues at all. After the initial installation, I was asked to reboot, which I did and it rebooted smoothly.
15 • no KDE (by Andy on 2022-08-08 15:53:59 GMT from United States)
@13 you could always install it later. Cinnamon though is a great DE!
16 • No KDE (by Friar Tux on 2022-08-08 16:19:24 GMT from Canada)
@15 (Andy) I agree. I used to be a KDE fan until a few of years ago when KDE just would not work. I found Cinnamon, and have never looked back. I find Cinnamon far superior to most other DEs including KDE. Now-a-days, IF I'm going to test out a newish distro, I'll only test one that comes with the Cinnamon DE.
17 • no KDE (by Andy on 2022-08-08 17:32:33 GMT from United States)
@16 I couldn't agree more, I loved KDE years ago but now that I'm a cinnamon user I don't look back either.
18 • Timeshift and other backup utilities (by Bobbie Sellers on 2022-08-08 20:58:41 GMT from United States)
Someone says they do not need Timeshift on other distributions.
Just wait until something happens, whether you or a download causes it
and you will be very happy to have backups whatever utility you use to
create them.
Hardware wears out. Sooner or later you will want to have made backups.
Timeshift is very good but you have to tell it what to do.
I have mine set to backup my "/" after every boot.
I have to make more backups of /home/bliss/Documents as it seems my
beginning of my bio was somehow lost. Also a short stack of downloaded
.pdf files on all sorts of matters of interest to me.
bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
the Perfect Computer Linus Operating System(for me),
and a minor case of hypergraphia.
19 • @13 Mint KDE (by kc1di on 2022-08-09 10:40:51 GMT from United States)
At the time several release ago Clem gave the reasons Mint was dropping KDE/Plasma from it's lineup.
Many at that time who loved KDE moved to Kubuntu or KDE neon. Other as I did learned to love Cinnamon. The best part is we have choices. and Though KDE is a good solid Desktop It's not for everyone. If you are a KDE fan you have other choices Many of them you don't need to bash Mint because it's devs made a choice.
20 • Mint... (by Vukota on 2022-08-09 11:29:33 GMT from Serbia)
I haven't seen in the review much about ZFS. Does ZFS now support (through installer) side by side installation with other partitions (it used to require whole disk)? Does it allow native ZFS encription and compression (how it works with boot/swap partition)? Is ZFS supported now by Timeshift? Did they solve the problem with boot partition snapshots that gets created with every package(kernel) install (to overfill boot partition)? If anyone knows I would appreciate if they shared this info.
I haven't seen in the review much about upgrade from the previous version either. With Mint, it used to work seamless in the past (and that is why I preferred it over rolling distros).
I agree with @18 there is no distro I worked with that occasionally wouldn't require restore to previous working state. Mint is close to it, but it was handy in the past even with Mint.
@8: There is nothing wrong with "snapshot manager". I can get around with ZFS from command line, but would appreciate nice GUI over command line any day (as I don't have often to do restores and other snapshot manipulations). About "unstable", I don't think I ever had OS "unstable" (didn't step on a land mine called BTRFS), as there is always a way to "fix" the problem, but the thing is how much effort does it take you to fix the problem (boot issues, wrong package that breaks something, etc.).
@4: Well said. I call Mint "It just works". My son was surprised when he was able to update Mint install after a year of not touching laptop in a matter of minutes (as he had painful experience with many other distros Arch/Debian/*buntu based after a couple of months of inactivity).
21 • @9 great Mint tools (by qwas on 2022-08-09 13:26:26 GMT from Australia)
I agree with you, Mint does have some great tools which make life easier for its users but they don't get adopted anywhere else - seems only Red Hat stuff gets picked up by other distros these days (even Ubuntu's developments struggle to gain traction outside its world).
Anyway others can put up with RH and the eons it seems to take to get its software working as it should - I'll stick with Mint and take advantage of the improvements in the little things that matter for an end desktop/laptop user. Much less frustration, much more actual work done...
22 • Sandbox (by Panther on 2022-08-09 15:22:16 GMT from United States)
I have used selinux sandbox for years when needed. Simple to use no need for any additional tools. IMO selinux is a huge advantage of Fedora although seldom mentioned these days as it is so polished.
See https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/selinux_users_and_administrators_guide/chap-security-enhanced_linux-securing_programs_using_sandbox
I agree backups are critical, however, personally I back up only /home , any server data (www / samba shares / etc), and any system files I edit, otherwise it is sort of pointless (IMO) to back up system files as they all come with a fresh install.
I have been lucky in that I have not had a system upgrade break Fedora in years. I only had those sorts of problems with Arch and Ubuntu which is part of the reason I switched to Fedora (from Arch). Never had that sort of problem on Debian or Slackware. Of course it is not too difficult to break gentoo if you go crazy with some of the flags.
23 • Sandboxing tools (by Bulldozer on 2022-08-09 17:46:19 GMT from United States)
The idea is very attractive, but how hard are they to use. It's gotta be simple or I have to figure out how it works every time i touch it.
24 • Mint - no complaints here (by CS on 2022-08-09 20:08:48 GMT from United States)
My longest running Mint install is up to about 3 years now, no major complaints. Mint almost works out of the box and seldom fails to update itself properly. Wish that was the norm among Linux desktop distros but everything else I've tried has been one form of disaster or another.
25 • Linux Mint (by Feng Lengshun on 2022-08-10 02:24:55 GMT from Netherlands)
I feel like Pop OS now carries the torch for "Ubuntu, but sane defaults -- Linux for newcomers." The 'Factory Reset' is a really useful thing especially for newbies as it's accessible from both inside the session and from the boot menu.
About the only thing missing is Btrfs + Timeshift or otherwise some sort of easy snapshot. That thing *literally* saved my butt just now, because Manjaro messed up the kernel update and none of my kernels were listed, so only the Boot to UEFI and Snapshot was on the menu when I checked Grub and it kept sending me to UEFI.
Linux Mint is still one of my recommendation for just a "boring, just works Windows replacement," but it's really aging and I feel like they're going too far on the boring side.
26 • Linux Mint (by Dale on 2022-08-10 03:19:28 GMT from United States)
Linux Mint and LMDE both are great for what they do which is provide a solid desktop based on Ubuntu or, in LMDE's case, Debian. After having tinkered around with however many thousands of distributions there have been over the last 15 years or so, Mint is still at the top for me if I want to use a derivative that "just works" in Linux. Snaps suck in my opinion, and Flatpak comes setup out of the box in Mint.
Personally, I still like using pure Debian Unstable with XFCE if I am running Linux. At the same time, I love Mint, and I have it on several machines. I'm mainly still a FreeBSD user.
27 • PHR Mint etc (by Otis on 2022-08-10 14:06:07 GMT from United States)
@4 Just an aside but I'm curious as to how the list rankings are actually compiled. I'm always clicking around the listed distros, and around the first week of July I got interested in Fedora/RedHat spins/forks etc (Alma, Ultramarine, etc) and landed in the Ultramarine section here. In subsequent days I must have clicked into the DW Ultramarine page ten or twelve times as I kept using it to navigate to the Ultramarine site for various reasons. It is not on the DW top 100, and lists itself as of today as having zero hits in all time categories (a year, six months, etc) despite my own cruising in there several times as mentioned.
Is there a threshold of minimum hits before it registers as a PHR? Is there a time algorithm of some sort that disallows registered hits until a certain time between the first and next? Curious.
Incidentally I've been using Ultramarine for several weeks now and find it to be quite the solid distro.
28 • Ranking (by Jesse on 2022-08-10 14:36:41 GMT from Canada)
@27: Everything about the PHR table is explained on the Page Hit Ranking section of this site: https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
29 • PHR (by Otis on 2022-08-10 15:26:44 GMT from United States)
@28 I'm with you, as I've mentioned that a time or three in here me own self. ;) BUT... so the line in the distro's DW page here may not reflect the data in the overall list, as the one for Ultramarine is thus:
Popularity (hits per day): 12 months: (0), 6 months: (0), 3 months: (0), 4 weeks: (0), 1 week: (0)
..all zeroes. Whereas in the list it's got ranking and page hits for each time category.
30 • I use FreeBSD jails (by Eddy on 2022-08-11 13:58:04 GMT from United States)
I run FreeBSD, which has had jails as a built-in feature since version 4.0 back in March 2000. Linux is late!
31 • HPD ranking (by M.Z. on 2022-08-11 17:40:44 GMT from United States)
@29
Two key points I see in the DW Hits Per Day ranking that likely explain your question:
" Only one hit per IP address per day is counted."
&
the numbers "...represent the average number of hits per day (HPD) for the specified period."
So even if one IP address hit the same page 1000 times a day over the course of three days you really only have 1 IP X thee days over 7 for the week to get an average of about .43 hits per day over the course of the smallest HPD measure, which of course rounds to zero. The most any one IP could do is increase HPD by 1, and for the week you would have to hit on at least 4 days to do that.
Of course the best thing to do for both the HPD, and more importantly the Distro, would be to tell a friend or two who was into that kind of thing to check it out on DW & tell a friend or two if they like it. That way you get a chain of people with different IP addresses poking it on DW & more importantly using the Distro.
32 • Mint Touchpad Support (by AdrienM on 2022-08-11 22:58:08 GMT from United States)
This might be hardware related, or it might be an issue only on bare-metal. I've been playing with Mint21 since its release in VBox on a Mac (BigSur) host and it has always recognized tap-to-click from my touchpad both in the LiveCD mode and after install. I haven't tested it on bare-metal though.
33 • Mint21 is making my decision tough (by AdrienM on 2022-08-11 23:03:48 GMT from United States)
I'm currently testing distros in VBox to decide on an eventual replacement for MacOS on my Late '14 Mini. (cutoff as of Ventura, so Monterey will be my last upgrade) I have a few years left of official support though and I'll run it til the last, but I foresee the day I'll need to migrate to Linux again. So far, Ubuntu, Pop! & now Mint (as of the 21 release) are my three finalists. It is already a tough decision, and I'm interested to see how they stack up in a few years when I have to make the switch. Mint21 is quite impressive so far.
34 • Mint Touchpad (by Jesse on 2022-08-11 23:11:31 GMT from Canada)
@32: When you run a distribution inside VirtualBox it interprets things like clicks based on what the host operating system provides. In other words, if your host OS registers taps as clicks, then it will pass the clicks on to the guest OS. The guest OS doesn't get the "raw" input (taps on in this case) from the touchpad, it just knows it gets a click from the host.
You could be using anything, a mouse, a touchpad, an accessibility type-to-click utility and the guest OS doesn't know. It just gets a "click" through VirtualBox.
35 • PHR "0" (by Otis on 2022-08-11 23:33:57 GMT from United States)
@31 Yep, thinking you're right, the partial average or whatever it is is the only thing that occurred to me that could account for the zeroes on the distros page. The only other thought that came to mind was that perhaps the data on the distro page is entered manually at certain intervals and they hadn't gotten to it for the updated figures.
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Choose from a wide range of laptops and PCs in various sizes and shapes at TUXEDOComputers.com. Every machine comes pre-installed and ready-to-run with Linux. Full 24 months of warranty and lifetime support included!
Learn more about our full service package and all benefits from buying at TUXEDO.
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| Star Labs |
Star Labs - Laptops built for Linux.
View our range including the highly anticipated StarFighter. Available with coreboot open-source firmware and a choice of Ubuntu, elementary, Manjaro and more. Visit Star Labs for information, to buy and get support.
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