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1 • mostly rolling (by rolling after mint on 2022-08-01 00:59:25 GMT from New Zealand)
Mostly rolling distros nowadays - primarily to get the latest software.
Under the Debian/Ubuntu/Mint regime I would see articles about GiMP, inkscape or DarkTable that were already available for Windows (article writer you know), but finding the "latest" for my in Linux was 3 versions behind. I still keep a Mint around for some use-cases.
So for daily/main use for the past 3 years I've worked on Manjaro and RebornOS. Always the Cinnamon desktop - there is no competition. I have tried several other desktops and they always come up short in some critical area.
2 • Rolling release versus fixed interval releases (by Bobbie Sellers on 2022-08-01 01:00:56 GMT from United States)
I started with fixed interval release called Mandriva in 2006 and I stuck with it having problems at every upgrade whether I waited for the Point releases or not. I tried several other releases at intervals (not so fixed) and I moved to PCLinuxOS and while in the early days some times we had problems lately that has been less frequent. But sometimes a change will catch us off guard.
But far less problems than with fixed interval releases.
-“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am...
3 • Kaos Overview, Octopi (by Dr Hu on 2022-08-01 01:28:37 GMT from Philippines)
Overview a desktop effect; Workplace behavior>Effects, and scroll down. You may need to create the shortcut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1GLKYqm_CM
With both Octopi and Pamac, I've found neither works well until updates have been done in the terminal. I use them for looking up and installing some things, but I strictly use Pacman for updates.
4 • RAM and swap (by Friar Tux on 2022-08-01 01:31:49 GMT from Canada)
So to further the question on ram and swap, why would swap ever fill up? Most computers/laptops come with quite a lot of extra memory so, conceivably, swap should never fill up if it were made self-extending like, say, the Home directory. Having said that, why are we copying files to swap only to copy them back into RAM when needed. Why not just go back to the original location of the file and not have swap at all? Does it take longer to get them from the original location than from swap? Why? (I understand the “spinning disk” response, is it then better to use SSDs?) This is something I have never quite understood.
5 • KaOS - typical distro chaos, and poll question (by Andy Prough on 2022-08-01 02:39:21 GMT from United States)
KaOS - Wayland and pipewire not working correctly is consistent with the way a lot of newer distros are released these days - just a jumble of technologies tossed together with no real effort to make sure you can do something basic, like follow a mouse pointer or listen to an audio file.
Poll question - I'm a hesitant early adopter. I don't wait for the first point release, but I do typically wait a week or two to see what the bugs are that others are facing. I usually wait until the sailing appears to be smooth.
6 • Swap (by Jesse on 2022-08-01 02:54:06 GMT from Canada)
@4: "So to further the question on ram and swap, why would swap ever fill up?"
Any time you open a program or use more memory for calculations or storing variables, memory usage goes up. If RAM is full, then this data is shuffled out to swap. If you keep creating more data intended to be kept in memory, then swap space would eventually fill.
"Most computers/laptops come with quite a lot of extra memory so, conceivably, swap should never fill up if it were made self-extending like, say, the Home directory. "
Some systems do this. PC-BSD used to have a swapexd service (shameless plug as I helped write it) which would create additional swap files as needed. Which should handled most situations. However, using swap on disk is slow. And, eventually, in theory, you could run out of disk space.
But most systems don't extend swap, it has a fixed size, and will fill up if you keep putting things in memory.
"why are we copying files to swap only to copy them back into RAM when needed. Why not just go back to the original location of the file and not have swap at all?"
Files are cached in RAM for quick access. This is not "used" memory, but cached memory. When a process needs to use RAM for data, the files in cache are dropped from RAM. They are not shuffled into swap.
"Why not just go back to the original location of the file and not have swap at all?"
This is exactly what happens.
7 • rolling (by Charlie on 2022-08-01 03:10:27 GMT from Hong Kong)
In the long run the rolling model should fit better in the Linux world.
As FOSS continues to evovle, rolling should fix more problems than bringing more. In fixed release model, every time you upgrade, you would find one more two glitches here and there. And the longer the span between the two release, more likely there are problems. The time cost for fixing problems and make things comfortable with your old working ways is quite high.
I also often found in a fix release, bugs can be frozen as well. In rolling releases, if you find problem, just keep rolling and things would be fixed in at most a week or two. On the other hand, if your bug is not big enough, you may have to wait for the next point release to fix your problem in the fix release.
8 • New versions (by Jyrki on 2022-08-01 03:38:46 GMT from Czechia)
I run BSDs and Linux.
When there is a new BSD release, I upgrade straight away.
The only Linux I still run is Artix and it's rolling release.
9 • KaOS (by Someguy on 2022-08-01 06:53:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
Croeso is Welsh - a permitted language for running most OSes. It is the intention that all children going to school in Wales learn their native tongue. Whether this actually happens may be open to doubt but the intention is a step in the right direction. Bore Da, Hej, Guten Tag and Bon Jour.
10 • releases (by hank on 2022-08-01 08:39:29 GMT from Germany)
I run antiX with testing repos as a fully rolling release option.
Many latest packages and updated kernels are made available through the distro package installer so the stable version of the distro is also in some respects semi rolling. Customised desktop, Lightweight and lightning fast and stable on my modern and older hardware. Very rarely any issues, Nothing to beat it.
11 • Rolling release (by Dr.J on 2022-08-01 08:49:57 GMT from United States)
I prefer the rolling release (Arch). I like the idea of never having to reinstall my system and run it forever. And I don't share the often expressed criticism about the danger of rolling releases: I haven't experienced major problems so far (requiring reinstallation, for example) and my current system has been running for about 10 years. You can usually sit out minor problems, they are usually fixed within a week by a new version. In addition, my main system runs in a virtual machine and I take a snapshot before critical updates (runit, xorg, kernel, virtualbox, etc.).
12 • New Versions (by DaveT on 2022-08-01 09:05:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
I upgrade to the new release of OpenBSD immediately.
I wait a week or two before upgrading linux servers.
It gives most major problems time to come to light!
13 • release updates (by Trihexagonal on 2022-08-01 09:42:25 GMT from United States)
I use rolling release with Linux and point release with BSD.
I update to the new point release of FreeBSD as soon as it's issued and use a mixture of ports and pkg to build it.
I like using Kali Linux rolling release and apt a lot and never have a problem with it I can't work out.
I do end up spending more time working to keep it updated but use it more that way.
14 • Opinion Poll (by q45d7 on 2022-08-01 10:54:32 GMT from Italy)
I would like to see a poll on the desktop environment preferred by Distrowatch readers.
15 • Mint (by Simon on 2022-08-01 11:36:02 GMT from New Zealand)
I'm glad Vanessa's finally here. The initial release of Jammy was so disappointing that I'm not going to bother with the point release: I'm sure Mint will have fixed a lot more than Ubuntu has.
16 • Ubuntu LTS (by guardrail on 2022-08-01 11:55:36 GMT from Italy)
@15
The 22.04 LTS is a simple half-yearly release, the real LTS is only the 22.04.1 LTS.
17 • @14, Desktop opinions (by Justme on 2022-08-01 12:23:41 GMT from United States)
"I would like to see a poll on the desktop environment preferred by Distrowatch readers."
Where were you last week? Look at that poll.
18 • How can I stop a running program (by timeout on 2022-08-01 13:06:44 GMT from Hungary)
I'm slightly disappointed that the author does not mention the timeout program. It is good to teach some shell magic, but using a program designed for the task is less brittle. So use timeout:
https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/timeout.1.html
19 • Point Releases (by Otis on 2022-08-01 13:14:37 GMT from United States)
Honestly I don't recall ever paying much attention to release numbers, point releases or not. Once I've found myself interested in a distro for various reasons I just go to the download area, select a mirror if those are offered, and download the latest by date.
20 • Topics (by Cheker on 2022-08-01 13:19:22 GMT from Portugal)
I feel Manjaro found the perfect answer for a desktop system, in terms of release speed. Manjaro has big releases roughly every 2 weeks, behind Arch. This means it avoids most significant issues while not being stuck very far behind. Of course if you're running a server, you're going to want boring old Debian that doesn't change much. But some people also like Debian on desktops (ran it myself), it's a completely valid preference.
The GNOME Secure Boot notification...for once I'm going to argue in good faith and say that it's a good idea. It's very easy to go "M$ / IBM boogeyman!" but it's undeniably a good thing, even if you, understandably, as a desktop user, don't care for Secure Boot. It's very much more of an enterprise thing.
And speaking of good ideas, can we get a round of applause for the Mint team? I never used their OS but every piece of news that comes from that camp is good, many little things that make me think "every OS should adopt this". Not a lot of shining examples like this.
21 • Rolling Releases (by CSRoad on 2022-08-02 01:02:38 GMT from Canada)
I'm staring at a machine, my daily driver, Devuan Ceres is my choice of distro,
apt-get dist-upgrade a couple of times a week, I do a cursory look for anything that might be removed or seems weird, but normally I pick "Y" and all is good.
Sure it's like Debian "Unstable" with the systemd dependencies removed, but thanks to the Debian and Devuan teams it is a more solid and up to date distro than most.
Don't try this at work kids, try it at home and you might like it. (-;
22 • .1 is best (by tomaso on 2022-08-02 16:35:08 GMT from United States)
The first point release is the sweet spot. But experimenting with new releases is fun. Experiments with Mint 21 MATE are slightly disappointing but then my expectations may be too high. Generally, for years, Mint's Ubuntu-based MATE & XFCE releases have set the standard for "Just Works".
23 • KDE dark mode buttons (by ltlnx on 2022-08-03 12:50:47 GMT from Taiwan)
On my system running stock KDE, when changing themes, all the button colors change accordingly, including the System Settings and Konsole. But distro implementations of Plasma vary wildly, so I'm just saying :)
24 • Out of Memory? (by penguinx86 on 2022-08-03 23:49:31 GMT from United States)
I've been running Linux Mint for years. It typically uses 2.5-3gb of RAM for normal desktop app usage. It's rare to see it use over 3gb. Swap rarely gets used except for a small amount of swap cache. Even if I allocate an 8gb swap partition, it practically never gets used. The only time I see more memory usage is if I allocate memory to VirtualBox guest OS's. Even those run just fine with 3gb allocated each. 8gb of RAM would be plenty to run Mint and a guest OS with memory to spare. But my computer has 16gb of RAM and I have never seen it run out of memory.
25 • subject not found (by Tad Strange on 2022-08-04 22:20:00 GMT from Canada)
KaOS looks like something I'd put in the technology demo category, like I have Fedora. Throw it in a virtual machine and try it. Distributions that mess with basic defaults, such as where the taskbar goes, turn me off utterly, however. Though KaOS is far from the worst offender in this regard (looking at you Garuda).
I usually wait a week or three before upgrading a desktop, but not for as long as it takes for a point release. I just want the dust to settle a bit.
Otherwise I prefer rolling. I'm running PCLOS on this old laptop, and Manjaro on another. Neither have given me cause for concern. Updates can be pretty bandwidth intense, though, particularly for Arch systems. Still not as bad as something like Tumbleweed, which takes forever to update, or Windows, which takes even longer.
26 • Point releases, functionality (by Otis on 2022-08-05 17:21:17 GMT from United States)
I've got laptops of varying ages and brands. It's just that I have yet to see much difference at all in functionality from one release to another, with regard to the hardware I use (three laptops of two brands).
Some distros no matter the release number will not detect network cards and some won't see sound cards, etc, even reporting upon terminal inquiry: "No Sound Card Detected," or "No Network Card Detected." Again, no matter the release number, upgraded "point release" or not. Certain distros are just more limited on some hardware, new or old hardware I've noticed.
One of the most recent I've noticed is Artix (thus it's plunge in the PHR?). That distro simply stopped seeing sound cards on newer Acer laptops about a year ago. Of course the hardware upgrades the laptop makers deploy do not have driver support right way from all but Windows in most cases, but that dynamic is across many distros and hardware.
So this about point releases seems moot to probably a huge portion of linux users (not to mention BSD which is YEARS behind in drivers).
Thus distro exploring for one's own machine(s), and paying attention to the release numbers of the distros often makes no difference at all.
27 • New Overview Mode in KDE (by M.Z. on 2022-08-05 18:57:10 GMT from United States)
The new overview mode mentioned in the review seems to be a combination of workspace/virtual desktop manager and present windows.
You can get to it in System Settings > Workspace Behavior Screen Edges - then right Click on a corner of the little black screen & select the overview mode (near the bottom for me) & hit apply.
You can also set a hot key under System Settings > Shortcuts > Shortcuts > KWin - then scroll down till you see 'Toggle Overview'. In the current KDE Neon it is Meta + W by default.
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