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1 • home directory permissions (by brad on 2021-12-20 01:14:19 GMT from United States)
Although my computers are only used by myself, I was curious to check out my home directory permissions, because I've never touched them.
I'm running Manjaro, and I was pleased to find that my home directory was already locked down - but it made me wonder (especially given Jesse's example) if other distros create home directories with "excessive" privileges.
2 • Home directories (by Jesse on 2021-12-20 02:07:51 GMT from Canada)
@1: Many distributions do have very open home directory permissions. It's a pet peev of mine that many distributions enable read/execute on home directories for everyone.
3 • Computer use... (by Friar Tux on 2021-12-20 02:14:45 GMT from Canada)
In our household, because of how inexpensive laptops are, everyone has their own. We only use laptops as they are quite portable. Also, we do EVERYTHING on those machines. They are our library (books, newspapers, magazines, technical journals), recipe box, encyclopedia, writer's tool (stories, poems, articles, etc.), graphic artist's tool (painting, drawing), communications device, music, and much, much more. The Wife is learning French from hers, and has quite an extensive family genealogy and photo album on her machine. (Yes, everything has backups - about 50+ GB worth.) (By the way, anyone under 8 years old gets a used machine for obvious reasons.)
On a side note, I don't actually use Timeshift as it is useless when things go belly up (my experience - yours may be different). I also don't use backup apps/programs as they only copy parts of what you want backed up. All, yes, all have come back with "Error. Could not copy [ filename ]" with some reason for not doing so. For me the best method is to simply use the "Copy To" right click option. It has not failed me yet.
4 • PinePhone (by pined piper on 2021-12-20 02:17:39 GMT from New Zealand)
Interesting to read a proper review on the PinePhone. I was hovering over the order now button late last week. The few other reviews gave little - seemed written by people expecting an Android device and zero to sketchy Linux knowledge. This week's review here on Distrowatch gives the depth needed. I did not click order and will continue to hesitate. All a bit too plasticky and alpha quality at this time. It has great potential and if they release one that is better I will order. The shipping to NZ was reasonable too, which normally is the deal killer.
@2 .. which distros in particular have these "bad" permissions? Maybe some control over which groups you join users to would help. I find the defaults out of the box work for me just fine across many distros.
5 • Permissions (by Jesse on 2021-12-20 03:28:47 GMT from Canada)
@4: Most modern distributions don't lock down home directories. It was one of the things I remember finding weird about coming into the Linux ecosystem after working with Unix platforms, most home directories were accessible by default.
6 • Pinephone (by Marc on 2021-12-20 07:09:29 GMT from United Kingdom)
The Pinephone review was really interesting. Clearly there is massive potential, but to persuade me, I think it would need the following:
Better performance - while the processor does sound low spec, it seems like more ram, or a better optimised set of software is a more urgent requirement.
Removable battery (you don't say), but that would definitely be a plus in making it a long-term option, rather than a burner.
Those switches sound like an intelligent idea, but what I'd largely be interested in turning off is the 'selfie cam' for security purposes. Is that a separate switch?
Also, it would be interesting to know whether other distributions are better, but I understand you can't review all of them.
7 • Phone OS usability (by John on 2021-12-20 07:09:51 GMT from Finland)
The terrible usability described here makes me wonder why nobody is using the old and proven stuff. By this I mean whatever the N900 used, and Symbian is supposedly open source too.
8 • the PinePhone experience (by dogma on 2021-12-20 07:16:53 GMT from United States)
It’s so dumb that Manjaro with Plasma Mobile is what they ship with. Most people use postmarketOS or Mobian. I hope Plasma Mobile catches up to Phosh now that it’s switched to ModemManager and may become reliable enough to get more activity, but we’ll see.
9 • P.S. (by dogma on 2021-12-20 07:23:25 GMT from United States)
A PinePhone Pro is supposed to be released before long. Faster processor, stronger glass, etc., but rather more expensive.
10 • pinephone and sharing computers (by papapito on 2021-12-20 08:25:55 GMT from Australia)
pinephone is a fantastic testbed for getting more linux and therefore linux apps on phones. I am keen to try it but I think I will be waiting a while as while I dick about with linux, I can't afford to dick about on my phone as I need it. I also can't go without a FHD+ screen, 5g, apps for work. :(
If I can get a linux phone that's secure, makes phone calls, SMS, and allows for my choice of software with modern hardware and a non inflated price, I am very interested.
As for sharing a computer, I have not done that since the early 90's and have no plans to revisit it.
11 • kids... (by Torsten on 2021-12-20 08:43:48 GMT from Germany)
Well, I have no kids = no problems. ;-)
12 • PinePhone (by Pete on 2021-12-20 09:07:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sounds worse than this Nokia running Android.
No kids here either.
Am I the first...... Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all.
13 • PinePhone (by Pumpino on 2021-12-20 09:09:21 GMT from Australia)
@4: Have you looked at the FairPhone? It's certainly built to last and comes with a screwdriver. Upgrades are sold as modules, so the user can easily replace the camera when a new one is released, rather than replacing the phone. The battery is removable.
14 • Shared computers and privacy (by Mike S on 2021-12-20 10:18:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
If you are not comfortable modifying folder permissions in terminal and are running KDE Plasma you can always use Vaults (see the excellent techrepublic guide). It's an encrypting utility and the contents of a Vault are only visible to the user that creates it.
15 • Phone internet usage (by ostro on 2021-12-20 12:39:29 GMT from Poland)
I have 17GB free usage for the month on a equivalent to 6$/month whole day usage including free calls and sms, but only use less than 100MB/month, as all the internet usage is on the laptop. What's not used can be given away to kids from poorer families through the internet provider. At least the mobile GBs don't get wasted. :)
16 • Pinephone | Update issue (by Manjaro Developers on 2021-12-20 22:49:18 GMT from Germany)
Hi Jesse,
thx for this honest review of Plasma Mobile from March 2021. We looked into the update issue and provided a fix for it: https://gitlab.manjaro.org/manjaro-arm/packages/community/pinephone/pinephone-manjaro-tweaks/-/commit/90352f1c8479e146001b6f273b0e8392f31b55b1. Simply use Discover and try to update again. We would be glad to hear a follow-up on the improvements you may see after updating the system.
17 • Pinephone with manjaro (by Antonio on 2021-12-21 01:31:49 GMT from United States)
@16 thank you for the fix
Yesterday I was able to update to fix issues with modem no carrier error. When applying the updates, it replaced some systems scripts . I could receive calls but not make them. It cannot connect to internet at times, but that maybe because of the network? I don't know how to troubleshoot. Wifi works, but only able to connect on open networks.
18 • linux phone (by dave on 2021-12-21 02:10:03 GMT from United States)
we need an ncurses phone interface! okay maybe that's a bit extreme..
but what we do need is the equivalent of IceWM or JWM in terms of cutting down on bloat.. what is it about phones and tablets that suddenly makes everybody need swoopy doopy transitions??
Remember when compiz and kwin special effects were popular and how 90% of that eventually became passe?? I've only owned 2 phones in my life (1st was webOS, 2nd is android).. barely use them because I hate the whole cult-ure surrounding the concept.. but I have tried to disable as many transition effects and graphical bloat as possible.
I just think it's weird that people pretty much eschew from heavy graphical effects on their computers, but then they get these phones/tablets with comparatively low spec hardware and the OS will have immense graphical bloat by default.
19 • Phones and sharing. (by Angel on 2021-12-21 02:44:54 GMT from Philippines)
Much as I enjoy Linux on my PCs, I will not be pining for a Pinephone any time soon. Or for a Fairphone, for that matter: 500 to 750 euros, with no charger or headphones, plus shipping? I'd rather sink my teeth into the forbidden fruit. But it's modular!! Sure, which parts and improvements they'll probably be happy to ship for a fee, at fruit company prices. No thanks! Well, at least it's organic.
For the Pinephone's $150 I can have a choice of 4 or 5 brands, around 6.6", 4-128, dual sim, fancy cameras, etc. I'm sure the weather apps work, and if they don't there are many other to swap for. I just followed an approaching typhoon on MSN Weather, with satellite view at one-hour delay. None better.
Assuming they can develop at breakneck speed, à la ReactOS, by the time they get a decently working Linux phone, the younger ones will be wandering around, lost in the metaverse, and I'll be playing a harp, or a lute, or whatever it is they play in Atheist heaven.
20 • PinePhone (by V on 2021-12-21 04:53:02 GMT from United States)
I have a PinePhone KDE CE, so before the Beta Edition or PinePhone Pro. It arrived early this year, after waiting for it for a few months. You can actually run any Linux distro you want on it, not just the 20 listed on that page, as long as you can get ahold of an arm64 version of it. The battery is 100% dead after not using it for some time, and it will NOT charge, even after waiting for several days. I have a replacement battery on the way, however not from Pine64, since they are out of stock.
Plasma Mobile should not actually be slow. That is more likely the fault of the OS (Manjaro) being heavier than something like postmarketOS. It also probably depends if you got the Convergence Edition that has 32GB of storage and 3GB of RAM.
The PinePhone Pro, is currently in development stages and has 128GB!! of storage. It also has 4GB of RAM, a RK3399S, which is basically a binned RK3399, which is the processor inside of the very powerful Pinebook Pro. The processor is only 20%!! less powerful than the one found in the Pinebook Pro. It is also a 6 core chip, operating at 1.5Ghz. The PinePhone Pro annihilated the Librem 5 in CPU, RAM, Storage, and even GPU. It is even more open than the Librem 5, with the modem having an open source firmware, where the Librem 5 does not. All of this - for less than half the price of the Librem.
- I am not an advertiser.
21 • User sharing,@20, phone (by Timon on 2021-12-21 09:05:12 GMT from United States)
I have two computers, one wife, and three smartphones. The wife mostly uses her phone, but if she needs to use any of the others phones or computers, she's welcome to my user name and space. She knows all my passwords, PINs, and whatnots anyhow. If she starts snooping around and finds out I've been sexting some cute young thing, that's her problem.
@20- Last time I had a smartphone battery that would not charge, the problem was not the battery. Hope you tested it or tried external charging.
22 • Pine Phone review (by J on 2021-12-21 12:43:47 GMT from Germany)
Thanks a lot for the review. I assume other Linux users are like me and that even though we may be a small percentage, there is still a potentially huge market of people hungry for smart phones and tablets based on (non-Android) Linux once the kinks are worked out.
23 • Ta (by Tad Strange on 2021-12-21 15:48:46 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the Pine Phone review. I admit that I was curious about it, but now that I see that it's more of a technology demo / hobbyists delight, I know that it's not yet for me.
But on a broader front, I would be interested in the possibility of putting a mobile friendly OS on obsolete Android devices that no longer receive updates, or for the cheap generic Ali Express type devices.
It's been a very long time since a computer was shared in my family. Everyone has multiple devices, be it a phone, tablet, PC... I only deal with shared devices in the work environment, and even those are becoming few.
24 • Friends and family (by eee shepherd on 2021-12-22 01:07:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
I simply issue them with an asus eee pc from my fleet.
25 • PinePhone experience (by Alexandru on 2021-12-22 07:42:00 GMT from Romania)
I own PinePhone with the same specs as in review (ARM64 Quad core CPU 1.2 GHZ, 2GB RAM, 16 GB ROM). I have tested about dozen OSes on it and now I am happy with Mobian + Phosh. It is responsive and has all software I need.
For people demanding Android experience on Linux phone, please choose some other product. PinePhone was really designed with the goal to bring Linux (or BSD, etc PC like experience) to mobile device. And I like it exactly for that. I am able to install Linux (not Android) software on it and heavy use command line to perform my tasks. I can connect an external screen, plug keyboard and mouse in it and ethernet cable (together with charging cable) and turn it into mini PC. And all this pocket sized.
26 • Android or Linux (by Alexandru on 2021-12-22 07:54:47 GMT from Romania)
I recall in the early Android epoch the corner question was: Can I install Linux software on Android? There were all sort of projects to enable it. Well, now Android ecosystem is well established (as well as Linux one). But now the question is: Can I install Android software on Linux?
It is possible of course, but the solutions like Anbox or Waydroid are not optimal ones. Just as many people use different computers for Linux, MacOS and Windows, in my opinion it is better to use different devices for Android, iOS and Linux. But there is yet another option for PinePhone owners: multiple boot. You can either install Android side by side with Linux on the same ROM and choose which to start at boot time, or install different OSes on different microSD cards and boot from them. In this scenario, you can dedicate phone's ROM just to keep personal data on it, accessible from each OS.
27 • Other users (by Marco on 2021-12-22 19:39:31 GMT from United States)
First, thank you for the tip to ls -l /home
Mine was the same as your 'after', but it never occurred to me to check.
Currently, I seldom/never share my laptops, but I do create a guest account (not in wheel) just in case.
I miss the old Kubuntu / lightdm approach were a guest account would mount $HOME over /tmp as part of the default install.
28 • big tech kids (by unsharer on 2021-12-22 20:40:46 GMT from France)
The tech revolution began decades ago with the idea of ppl sharing information between their machines. But now it's all about trying to protect your machines from intrusion from others. What is it about technology that feeds all the kids who never grew up, never matured, never got a life for themselves - but who have to live vicariously inside other ppl's machines - harassing, scamming and stealing from them?
29 • PP (by Cheker on 2021-12-22 22:47:49 GMT from Portugal)
I have the 3GB edition of the Pinephone and I've been daily driving it for a while since my previous Android became obsolete sooner than I expected. The OS I ended up on was Mobian with Phosh, and I gotta say it's fairly stable. The battery goes to hell in a single day, and that's with me only checking it every once in a while. I also restart it every 2 days or so because I noticed that if I don't, eventually it'll crash and reboot randomly when going to sleep or straight up in my hands.
This phone came with Manjaro, and back then it "worked", but honestly my last two attempts with Manjaro (one Phosh, one KDE) were horrendous - I didn't make it to the home screen in either trial. Seems less functional now than half a year ago, somehow.
@25 @26 how's your battery experience? I've talked to people who say they get a whole day of activity, but I don't. Didn't occur to me to ask them what OS they were on.
30 • Pinephone (by Doug on 2021-12-23 06:56:43 GMT from United States)
I have a Pinephone Convergence edition, so with the extra gig of RAM. I found that many of the problems you are having went away when I reflashed with the latest edition of Manjaro KDE- not just updating. It's still pretty slow, and the apps are hit or miss. But it is in better shape now than the state of the OS as you are using it.
31 • @29 PinePhone battery experience (by Alexandru on 2021-12-23 10:35:26 GMT from Romania)
I don't use PinePhone as my primary mobile device. When I started using Mobian + Phosh at beginning of 2020, the battery lasted about 1 day in standby + some minor activity. Now the experience is much better, the battery lasts 3 or even 4 days in standby.
I also don't have stability problems, i.e. I am not forced to restart the phone. I just do it every time the kernel is updated.
32 • Pinephone (by lincoln on 2021-12-23 19:35:01 GMT from Brazil)
Taking into account the device's battery (we don't need a UPS) and network redundancy (network over Wifi and mobile network), is it a reliable web server running on Pinephone? It would be interesting to read about the experiences in this regard from Distrowatch readers.
33 • PinePhone web server (by Jesse on 2021-12-23 20:20:05 GMT from Canada)
@32: If you want to run the PinePhone as a web server you'll need to leave it plugged in all the time. The device drops network connections when the screen goes to sleep. Which means either your device will drain its battery in just a few hours or you need to leave it plugged in and disable sleep mode.
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