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1 • What do I think of Calamares? (by Jules on 2021-09-13 00:58:35 GMT from Australia)
As long as an installer works well, I use anything...
2 • Calamares (by 8bit on 2021-09-13 01:26:54 GMT from United States)
Calamares is quite versatile. I've seen it used with just a few options to many, many options.
3 • Calamares (by Romane on 2021-09-13 02:09:13 GMT from Australia)
I like that it (almost) standardises the install process. I say "almost", because each distro has its own ideas (often assumptions) as to how to configure it. That said, am pleased to notice that more and more often, the way it has been set up is more consistent with each other and that the assumptions used are being abandoned (for example, the erroneous assumption that everyone want to install a boot-loader - I never want to install one, as my primary system takes care of the Grub menu for booting).
I have a personal hope that eventually all the distros will take up Calamares, removing thus the difficulties caused by inconsistencies and differences between installers (for example, I will not install *any* Red Hat, based/derived distro, simply because of its/their installers)
Having said that, I very much like the Debian installer, regardless any criticisms which others may have regarding it, but can still see how the adoption of an installer common to everyone else would benefit.
R.
4 • Calamares is good, but... (by Torsten on 2021-09-13 04:52:51 GMT from Germany)
At the beginning, Calamares was not so great - but today, it's really, really good. But, I wish more options for the installation (ie to enable or disable the swap partition, etc.).
5 • Calamares (by Дмитрий on 2021-09-13 05:31:59 GMT from Russia)
If it still doesn't support keyboard layout switching (which ubiquity supported from the dawn of time), then no, I don't want to see it anywhere.
6 • Calamares (by Mike on 2021-09-13 06:06:23 GMT from United Kingdom)
I like it having used it with a few distributions now. @4 - That can be included as an option for end users already so it's really down to the distribution developers that you have not seen swap partition options. Also the alternative is to manually partition which gives you full control of /boot/efi (which seems to vary across distributions for size and position), partition formats etc.
Calamares can seemingly be much more granular than Ubiquity installer with regards package options too. Take Manjaro's usage of it which asks you what Office suite you want installed or to exclude it if you want to do your own thing.
7 • KDE Slimbook (by Mike on 2021-09-13 06:24:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
I seriously considered that as a purchase but when I tried ordering they were out of stock and not expecting a delivery any time soon due to COVID and the chip shortage. Also post Brexit:
"International Shipping outside Europe: 120 €
** You must take into account that customs tariffs and expenses at destination, must be paid by the recipient at the time of delivery. The amount of the same, we can not detail it, it depends on the type of merchandise and trade agreements between the countries of origin and destination. This consultation can be done at the embassy / consulate of the country."
So no thanks...
8 • Calamares sucks (by me on 2021-09-13 06:32:51 GMT from Canada)
By Calmares making the installation easy, it makes the installation between difficult to unusable for advanced setups, multiboot setups.
The very best installer is:
#1) OpenBSD installer, superior to everything on Linux
#2) Debian text installer.
Every other Linux installation dictates to user how installation is to be done.
I wonder how much easier it would be to install Arch if they ported over the OpenBSD sensible installer.
9 • RE: 7 • KDE Slimbook (by ladislav on 2021-09-13 06:35:46 GMT from Taiwan)
My problem wasn't the cost of shipping. When I tried to order a Slimbook laptop to be shipped to an address in Slovakia (a valid address within the EU), their system simply refuses to process the order. Very likely, the problem was with the company's payment processor rather than the company itself, but the result was the same - I could not complete the order. So I did not buy. I find it unusual that some companies would refuse to ship to certain addresses, even if they are valid EU addresses...
10 • Calamares & Debian installers (by Alexandru on 2021-09-13 06:49:57 GMT from Austria)
I only used Calamares once when installed Debian from live DVD. My opinion is that one standard easy to recognize system installer, which is common across Linux distribution, is a good starting point with Linux.
@3, @8: Glad I am not the only who find Debian text installer really useful for those who prefer options over simplicity.
11 • calamares ftw (by fonz on 2021-09-13 07:48:15 GMT from Indonesia)
glad to see it grew up so well and causing the big boys to see it as a threat to improve their installers (or adding 1). i do prefer calamares being lengthy to fine tune some of the more advanced options but yeah, thats the distros choice.
the boring debian text installer is what id call perfect. it has enough boring pages to fine tune some stuff, and literally forces us to read through the choices to make sure we dont derp. something modern milenialist see as krypton: reading/learning. yep, give a man a fish vs teach em to fish. luckily my kids are growing up like me, a jack of all trade && master of none. thirsty for knowledge = power...
12 • Lightweight arch distro (by Hank on 2021-09-13 09:00:33 GMT from Austria)
If a lightweight Arch based distro wiothout system death came out I would give it a try.
As is only antiX and Puppy for me.
Mostly I use antiX, lightweight, stable, fast, great forum.
13 • @12 - Arch without systemD (by Uncle Slacky on 2021-09-13 09:33:13 GMT from France)
Artix should fit the bill: https://artixlinux.org/
14 • Calamares: Never used it (by DaveT on 2021-09-13 10:15:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
I dislike graphical install systems. Keep it simple and console based because it is a pain if things go wrong while using a graphical installer.
I always choose 'expert non-graphical' for debian and devuan, very sensibly OpenBSD don't give the choice!
15 • Calamares: YaST is better. (by Operius on 2021-09-13 10:23:04 GMT from Netherlands)
The best installer to me is YaST from opensuse.
For easy install just click OK a few times and if you want something else it has all the tools you'll ever need in a nice GUI.
16 • kde slimbook (by papapito on 2021-09-13 11:32:04 GMT from Australia)
im in australia so the pricing is prohibitive when a lenovo/dell/hp/acer/asus with higher specs and a local warranty can be had cheaper. each time i buy a new device, it has the latest arch running within a few hours of unboxing.
17 • it's ok (by Tad Strange on 2021-09-13 12:45:43 GMT from Canada)
No issues with Calamares. I was introduced to it in Manjaro, and most everything that I really wanted to configure was there.
I've gone through a few text based ones, and having a second computer standing by in order to look up what one or another arcane option means. I suppose it's fine if you're trying to lean and mean some old bit of hardware, but that's not my use case.
Complex installations are a barrier to entry. Though my impression is that this is a desirable trait to some.
Archcraft.. I've never liked window managers for some of the very points that you bring up - needing to edit text files to change display options or behaviour is tedious. I don't spend a whole lot of time configuring desktop options to begin with, and I think that's my point.
18 • KDE Slimbook (by Dave Postles on 2021-09-13 13:16:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
I simply wouldn't be prepared to pay the retail price (regardless of any on-costs). I have bought a Starlab 11" and I am completely satisfied with it. I did have to wait for the shipping, but it was worth it.
19 • Calamares (by dragonmouth on 2021-09-13 13:38:17 GMT from United States)
I'm with @1 Jules. I'll use any installer as long as it is straight forward. Having said that, I could see the advantages of a universal installer as long it does not become an all-devouring cancer like systemd.
20 • installers (by VE on 2021-09-13 14:29:56 GMT from United States)
I've never used a GUI installer that didn't feel bloated while somehow being less functional than a simple text installer.
21 • Calamares - what is it, why would I need it? (by Andy Prough on 2021-09-13 15:00:56 GMT from Switzerland)
It's an odd poll question - how would I know if I used Calamares? Does the installer announce itself with bold letters somehow?
Also, even if I did unknowingly use it when trying some distro, why would I "want to see it used more"? Most high quality distros have their own customized installation scripts. Why would a universal graphics installer be a good thing? Text-based installers that are specifically written for that distro tend to give the best control over most aspects of installation.
Recently I've installed Void, Devuan, and antiX. They all have their own specialized installers, mostly text-based. They work really well - and of course they do -- they were designed that way by their distro developers. Why would any of those distros want to stop using a successful script for a "Universal graphics installer"? Seems like that would just create more problems than it would solve.
22 • Calamares (by Robert on 2021-09-13 15:57:08 GMT from United States)
The existence of Calamities is definitely a good thing. Something common and familiar that works for users and can free up dev resources for distros to focus on other things. Like GRUB is the defacto standard bootloader, but you can swap it out for something else if desired.
23 • Installers. (by nooneatall on 2021-09-13 16:23:58 GMT from United States)
Confucious say: He who who notices installer is seeing one too often.
Either have trouble or trying many distros because none suit.
I was impressed in 2007 with PCLinux because could surf the net WHILE it was installing. That's the standard to meet.
Installation is only expanding / copying some files, then figuring out what hardware exists and selecting drivers. It's usually given bells and whistles when should be utilitarian.
One area where I think all Linux and BSD make it easy on themselves is to use the kitchen sink approach with very little choice about what all is installed. Usually only get to choose low-level details that are of no interest to noobs, if not frightening.
Related note: I don't understand why Archcraft gets so little praise from Jesse. "This works [without trouble!] and yet I don't feel the distribution distinguishes itself". -- You may be burned out. WORKING is far better than you've reported for some dozens of distros.
24 • Calamares is fine (by Jyrki on 2021-09-13 17:21:52 GMT from Czechia)
but OpenBSD installer rocks.
25 • Calamares (by cor on 2021-09-13 19:27:35 GMT from United States)
I've never had any issues with Calamares, it just works. I don't use BSD anything.
26 • KDE Slimbook (by Mike on 2021-09-14 08:52:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
@16 - I agree entirely with your sentiment about getting much better hardware for the same price (after shipping and taxes applied).
I eventually ended up going with a Lenovo Legion 7 Gen 2 (AMD 5800H, NVIDIA RTX3060, 16" WQXGA panel) which arrived yesterday actually. That does all the essentials out of the box with the current Neon ISO containing the HWE kernel, so the same should ring true with any ISO based on Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS or the latest non-LTS ISOs too.
Of course the RTX3060 isn't detected properly by nouveau (it comes up with an unrecognised chip message during boot), however as long as the laptop is in Hybrid mode the AMD Renoir Graphics component of the 5800H is available anyway to boot it and get nvidia's proprietary blobs are installed too if desired.
The Killer Network WiFi 6 and bluetooth adaptor works with Intel modules and the gigabit LAN is realtek. The display scales nicely too at 125% or 150%.
It's stupidly quick of course but I have no idea about battery life yet, I didn't run it long enough to assess that much. I still need to backup the system before I start messing with partitioning so I can restore it to Factory State should it be necessary.
27 • KDE Slimbook (by Martin on 2021-09-14 14:22:37 GMT from Austria)
I just bought a new Laptop I'm quite unhappy with so I would love to switch over to the KDE Slimbook. However I'm against building up waste on landfills just because of dislike and my last laptop lasted about 8 years.
28 • KDE Slimbook (by Friar Tux on 2021-09-14 21:41:59 GMT from Canada)
While the Slimbook may be a great bargain in Spain, shipping it in to (in my case) Canada would not be worth it. Here, I just buy a reasonably priced laptop and load my favourite distro on it and simply carry on. By 'reasonably priced' I mean a balance between what I'll do, the installed hardware, and the price. So far, I have never spent over $600.00 Canadian on any of my five laptops and I'm more than happy with the computing power. (I'm on my machine almost 16 hours on most days (I'm retired).
As for the installer question, I'm comfortable using whatever comes with the distro, considering you only use it to install the OS and then move on.
29 • Calamares for Arch-based distros (by Cuvtixo on 2021-09-15 01:31:41 GMT from United States)
Calamares is great I think for Arch-based distros like Manjaro. If it strengthened as a standard in that space I'd be happy (although Arch itself, and derivatives like Archcraft have such a roll-your-own type ethos, IDK)
As far as the idea of becoming widely popular across distros, You might as well champion Esperanto as a standard language for Europe. It's just so unrealistic a premise as is not to be worth thinking about.
30 • Archcraft - @23 (by papapito on 2021-09-15 01:18:46 GMT from Australia)
@23
I feel archcraft is also a non-distro but has nice themes for openbox, this is not an insult.
the archcraft dev states on his landing page "Just another Linux distribution, made on top of Arch Linux with pre-configured settings and lightweight applications." and further down the page "People who use lightweight applications, people who like to customize their desktop or care more about their system's aesthetics."
I am still unsure at which point an install script becomes a distro and vice versa
31 • Archcraft (by Devlin7 on 2021-09-15 04:40:30 GMT from New Zealand)
I regularly download and trial distros. Archcraft was one of the first distros out of the box to tick all the items on my requirement list so I emailed the owner to congratulate him. I spent a lot of time configuring the polybar and the look and feel of my desktop. When I finally got what I wanted, I realised that my desktop is not normal. I don't need an application menu when the whole desktop is a menu. My system tray icons are basic network, sound, bluetooth and power. I discovered at the end of my tinkering that openbox and my polybar actually used more ram than the same setup using Enlightenment. The enlightenment menus were prettier than openbox and much easier to maintain,. I am now using enlightenment with pieces of archcraft scripted rofi menus. Aditya of Archcraft has done a wonderful job making Openbox look relevant. Whether you use Archcraft as it was intended or not, it is an easy way to install Arch. Regardless of what distro or desktop environment you use, kudos to all the hardworking people in the background giving us an alternative to the commercial products.
32 • Calamares (by drtom on 2021-09-15 18:33:27 GMT from United States)
Preparatory to building an OS using Linux From Scratch, I wanted to do some testing, some comparing.
So, I have a quad-boot system: Debian11, Linux Mint Debian, Ubuntu, & Linux Mint, that boots into a common home directory partition. I am replacing LM Debian because the repositories have changed under Debian11 and LM Debian has not kept up.
I used Calamares to install EndeavourOS in the Linux Mint Debian partition. Everything went smoothly. Best install ever! After the install, there were some 'key-bounce'-like problems with EndeavorOS.
So, I then tried to install MX Linux. I want to keep the multi-OS-boot into a common home directory partition, so I do not want to format the home directory partition. But the MX Linux installer did NOT give me the option to NOT format the home directory partition, so I quit the install.
There are several installers in-the-wild. Each installer is built by individuals, often in isolation.
In my opinion, it is a good idea to have a separate, stand-alone installer, like Calamares, that is well-designed, well-thought-out, well-tested, well-supported, and can be customized to a distribution.
I appreciate the diversity provided by GNU-GPL licensed forks of GNU and Linux.
33 • Yes, a "common" Open Source OS Istaller ... and applications too is a great idea (by Andre Gompel on 2021-09-16 13:46:33 GMT from Poland)
Yes, a "common" Open Source OS Installer ... and applications too is a great idea.
* I admit Fedora-Anaconda could be replaced by something better ! It works, but is full of ... missing features !
* GPARTED : I also would like the storage partitioning to be optionally done using GPARTED, which is very good, as it is, may use a bit more support for BTRFS.
* GPARTED ideally could generate the fstab file, for a given distro install, ideally update it, like adding an entry for a new partition or sub-volume etc...
* The installer to allow keeping existing BTRFS sub-volumes, already there (like for /home /boot etc...) allowing to reinstall the OS, without losing what is already there (usually /home etc...)
* Applications : I found some applications like mediawiki very difficult to install, because it requires several other apps packages to be installed, configured, knowing each of them !
Suse had the YAST "one click install" for quite a while....a good concept.
* Default Desktop, for the initial Install : GNOME 3 and above has never been good, why not rather use MATE, which is simple, clean, complete ?
34 • @32 MX Linux installer (by Hoos on 2021-09-16 13:56:49 GMT from Singapore)
"...I then tried to install MX Linux. I want to keep the multi-OS-boot into a common home directory partition, so I do not want to format the home directory partition. But the MX Linux installer did NOT give me the option to NOT format the home directory partition, so I quit the install. "
MX installer has always had the ability to preserve /home partition.
35 • Question; who drools or daydreams over installers? (by tom Joad on 2021-09-16 15:21:28 GMT from Germany)
Question; who drools or daydreams over installers? I am with @1. If the installer works and the OS pops up on reboot and is usable I am good.
Kind of an odd poll question though.
36 • Installers (by Mike on 2021-09-16 22:23:41 GMT from United Kingdom)
Fedora/RHEL Anaconda currently uses blivet for custom partitioning during install. From what I've read they have also been developing a standalone blivet-gui partition manager which will either be a supplemental option to GParted and KDE Partition Manager or replace one or both as the Partition Manager in the booted Live ISO environment. The standalone looks like the end result will be much more feature rich (possibly as good as GParted). So if they can then backport those advanced features back into the anaconda plugin, happy days.
I tend to boot into Live mode and partition a drive before running an OS installer because I prefer to use either GParted or KDE Partition Manager too. That applies for any installation I try because all the current linux distributions custom partition layout tools inside installers are hobbled in some way.
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| • Issue 1110 (2025-02-24): iodeOS 6.0, learning to program, Arch retiring old repositories, openSUSE makes progress on reproducible builds, Fedora is getting more serious about open hardware, Tails changes its install instructions to offer better privacy, Murena's de-Googled tablet goes on sale |
| • Issue 1109 (2025-02-17): Rhino Linux 2025.1, MX Linux 23.5 with Xfce 4.20, replacing X.Org tools with Wayland tools, GhostBSD moving its base to FreeBSD -RELEASE, Redox stabilizes its ABI, UBports testing 24.04, Asahi changing its leadership, OBS in dispute with Fedora |
| • Issue 1108 (2025-02-10): Serpent OS 0.24.6, Aurora, sharing swap between distros, Peppermint tries Void base, GTK removinglegacy technologies, Red Hat plans more AI tools for Fedora, TrueNAS merges its editions |
| • Issue 1107 (2025-02-03): siduction 2024.1.0, timing tasks, Lomiri ported to postmarketOS, Alpine joins Open Collective, a new desktop for Linux called Orbitiny |
| • Issue 1106 (2025-01-27): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta 6, Pop!_OS 24.04 Alpha 5, detecting whether a process is inside a virtual machine, drawing graphics to NetBSD terminal, Nix ported to FreeBSD, GhostBSD hosting desktop conference |
| • Issue 1105 (2025-01-20): CentOS 10 Stream, old Flatpak bundles in software centres, Haiku ports Iceweasel, Oracle shows off debugging tools, rsync vulnerability patched |
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risiOS is a Fedora-based Linux distribution which runs the GNOME desktop environment and includes a number of graphical setup and tweak tools to help initialize and customize the desktop experience. risiOS includes wizards for adding media codecs, Flathub repositories, and popular open-source desktop applications.
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