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1 • centos replacement (by cholo on 2021-08-16 00:29:23 GMT from United States)
I was looking into CentOS for a few weeks just about the time red hat decided to pull the plug. Now I'm glad I hadn't bothered. After red hat's stunt I've decided to stay away from red hat distros.
2 • Debian 11 and High Memory Usage (by Carlos Felipe Araújo on 2021-08-16 00:38:37 GMT from Brazil)
I downloaded debian-live-11.0.0-amd64-cinnamon+nonfree.iso.torrent and create a live usb using rufus. My notebook I confess isn't fast, an intel atom, only 2 gigas of ram and 32 of sdd.
Running Fedora 34 with GNOME, the consuption is under 1 giga of ram, but running Debian 11 Cinnamon is almost 1 giga and half of ram, I guess is too much or is it wrong?
I know is cliche, but sorry bad english.
3 • Solus (by Pumpino on 2021-08-16 00:43:35 GMT from Australia)
I like Solus each time I try it, but there always seem to minor issues, as described in the review. I also don't like that some of the packages I use aren't available, such as gFTP and XFCE. The developer's explanation for not having XFCE was that Mate is better. I thought that was a bit of a cop out, so I've stuck with Manjaro (testing branch) and Xubuntu with flatpaks and PPAs.
4 • clones (by Trihexagonal on 2021-08-16 01:09:43 GMT from United States)
None of the CentOS clones interest me.
Debian was my Linux distro of choice and until relatively recently kept a Debian box for some variety to several FreeBSD boxen. That also gave me a readily available alternative if a vulnerability in one of the programs on my FreeBSD machines was found that did not effect Debian.
Now I have Kali 2021.2 rolling release on metal to increase my knowledge in other areas without adding a bevy of programs to my FreeBSD machina already resident on Kali. A Debian clone, apt-get works for me like it always has and am very comfortable using it.
I wasn't aware Oracle had a Linux distro till now. I've used Oracle Solaris UNIX SysV before, with a screenshot on my site. If I was going to use Oracle that's what I'd be using.
5 • "Have You Picked a Favourite CentOS Alternative?" (by R. Cain on 2021-08-16 01:25:26 GMT from United States)
Yes. Yes I have. And it's supported through 2024. The choice?--
CentOS 7.
When support for CentOS 7 expires, a clear choice *will* have emerged.
One can only hope that CERN and Fermilab will have decided to renew their efforts on Scientific Linux by then (updates ended two years ago; maintenance, only, is provided now).
6 • NAS, CentOS (by Mark on 2021-08-16 02:07:46 GMT from United States)
I never had a need for CentOS. I did intall it once just out of curiosity, several years ago, but didn't need what it offered so, along with many other distros I've tested, it was ultimately deleted.
As for using an NAS, it never seemed to be something that required an entirely new distro to me. I set up an Ubuntu server - it doesn't require the server, and would work with a desktop, too, but I like the low overhead of running a server - where I installed the OS on an SSD, and then added HDDs which I set up with ZFS in a mirror. It works great, and has worked great for several years now: my data is redundantly backed up and files are easily served across the network. I've added additional storage over time, all of which has gone flawlessly. LInux out of the box can do so many things!
7 • Rocky (by Charlie on 2021-08-16 03:35:55 GMT from Hong Kong)
In terms of structure and developer background, Rocky should be the best among all the RHEL derivatives.
8 • Solus (by Lilith Valentine on 2021-08-16 04:36:56 GMT from United States)
Solus was and still kind of is one of my favorite distros. Unfortunately, the minor issues just kept adding up and dragging the distro behind. There have been way too many promises, like Budgie 11 still hasn’t been released, the software center still hasn’t been updated, flatpak and snap support still isn’t integrated into the software center, and so many other features/updates that were promised literally years ago still haven’t happened. These small issues just keep adding up because they are starting to feel like empty promises. Package management also just isn’t very good and many packages stay outdated for way longer than they should. It’s just not holding up to the potential that it once had
9 • Centos replacement (by mike rosenlof on 2021-08-16 04:42:57 GMT from United States)
My tentative replacement for Centos is Ubuntu. I started the transition a few months ago on my laptop when some Centos upgrade broke a few functions. I continued last month with Ubuntu Server on my mail file/backup server. I'm not sure if this is my "forever solution", but it's a decent start.
10 • rocky linux, but... (by papapito on 2021-08-16 05:14:22 GMT from Australia)
my workplace is moving to ubuntu for core servers and debian for some edge case work. no more centos for me.
There is so much to like about Solus. Fast to install, fast to start and does all the basic things well. It stops being so impressive when you get to the software side of things and run up against roadblocks wanting to install simple software that is not the chosen by Solus item. If I have to compile shit myself, I am not interested in a bespoke and pretty OS. I can slap KDE on Arch/buntu/deb/fed/etc and not limit myself to the tiny list they acknowledge.
It is however a great OS for my grandmother as she just wants to check the news and watch the occasional youtube documentary.
11 • Solus, RH clones (by Andy Prough on 2021-08-16 05:42:42 GMT from United States)
I see some grumbles about Solus, which are fair, I'm sure. However, let's not forget that the Solus team did something really important, which is develop the only new major desktop environment in the past 8 years. And it's a desktop environment that does some really great things.
Cinnamon, Deepin, Pantheon and Unity were all born in 2011, and all of us Linux users thought we would be receiving a never-ending stream of awesome new desktop environments to play with. But since then, only the Solus team has delivered anything new of note. And it's still probably one of the most attractive and user friendly DE's. Today, nearly all of the major distros offer a version of Budgie, and many smaller distros as well.
And regarding RedHat clones? I have had no interest in RedHat since they abruptly changed the terms of my subscription on me in 2001, and I have zero interest in any of their clones. RedHat is old, slow, and expensive. A clone would give me old, slow and free. That's not a desirable set of characteristics.
12 • Many cooks in many kitchens (by Luke on 2021-08-16 12:55:48 GMT from United States)
No need to be concerned about the multitude of clones. The duplication of effort is really just building experience...if they all banded together, progress would actually be slower. I'm sure they're all watching each other, and they'll assimilate good ideas from other clones in some areas, and try to differentiate themselves in other areas. Some will fail, maybe some will be merged as interest wanes, and maybe one (or more!) will be successful and create something great. Open source magic at work!
13 • CentOS replacement (by David on 2021-08-16 15:48:01 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'd think that the obvious choice would be Springdale — it's not part of the explosion, having been around for 10 years, and it's produced by a major university. But I shan't be using it, although I used to use CentOS, since it's getting more problematic to run anything but Gnome on Red-Hat based systems, and the availability of extra software in EPEL seems to be declining. For the last year I've been using PCLinuxOS without many problems and I shall certainly be considering Salix 15.
14 • We dodged a bullet with Rocky and switched to Alma (by Christopher Reach on 2021-08-16 16:59:39 GMT from United States)
Like many probably did we jumped on the Rocky train due to the hype that surrounded it. Centos cofounder and all that. We ultimately realized that was a mistake for a few reason and then jumped into Alma. One reason was Rocky took forever to build and release. Yea they didn't have the infrastructure in place and that all took time as they learned along the way but at some point, we needed something we could actually use and we realized that Alma kind of knew what they were doing and are more professional. Our choice was also validated when Rocky had to come clean about them being owned by the founder. They always spoke about it as a community thing but they tried to hide that and a few of us on our ops team were kind of surprised to find that out. It was very concerning and we felt lucky to find all that out. In short tread carefully before you jump on the hype machine.
15 • Re: 11 and Solus (by darkman on 2021-08-16 18:07:30 GMT from United States)
I think Andy makes some good points about Solus. The developers are innovative and energetic. I commend them and won't diss them. I'm an old guy though and KDE has been a friend for a long time. I use Kubuntu but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate Solus.
16 • Rocky Linux (by Adam on 2021-08-16 19:45:39 GMT from United States)
I am just waiting on SecureBoot to be finalized to switch to Rocky Linux. I think the experience the CentOS creator has had with CentOS and how it became sold and is being discontinued will be valuable to make sure that doesn't happen again for the future of Rocky Linux.
17 • Centos (by penguinx86 on 2021-08-16 20:58:14 GMT from United States)
I used Fedora and a trial version of Red Hat when I studied for the LPIC-1 exams. So my answer to the poll was Other. I continued to use Fedora with Gnome 40 for a while, until an update broke the wifi in my laptop. Now, I switched back to Linux Mint Xfce to get my wifi working again. I plan to stick with Linux Mint from now on to avoid hardware incompatibility issues.
18 • Rocky Linux for the win (by Donnie on 2021-08-17 19:56:38 GMT from United States)
Rocky Linux 8 has a clear advantage over it competitors. That is, Rocky is the only RHEL 8 clone that fully supports OpenSCAP. Once they also get the secure boot thing figured out, it will be golden.
19 • @Donnie is actually wrong. AlmaLinux has OpenSCAP and OVAL (by Cedric Zayyed on 2021-08-17 22:59:30 GMT from United States)
We have started using AlmaLinux at CEA in France. AlmaLinux has full openSCAP support with OVAL. We have already migrated and audited several portion of the infrastructure. It is working great.
20 • Alma (by Arlinton Bourne on 2021-08-18 16:10:59 GMT from United States)
RHEL for production, Alma for everything else. We've been using it since it was released in April.
21 • About CentOS 8 replacements (by Mahmoud Slamah on 2021-08-18 20:18:40 GMT from Egypt)
Thanks for informative info .
To sum up :
Formerly RHEL uses Fedora project as a test bed , then provide stable RHEL .
Many clones based on RHEL like CentOS, Scientific Linux , Oracle Linux ....etc.
New situation :
fedora ==> CentOS Stream ==> RHEL .
https://www.centos.org/cl-vs-cs/
CentOS alternatives needed as stable production ready .
Rocky Linux is led by founder of the CentOS project.
AlmaLinux OS is Founded by the team behind the CloudLinux OS.
Some in web hosting field said CloudLinux + litespeed is more speedy than CentOS+Apache.
Kind regards
22 • Debian and old computer (by Vukota on 2021-08-20 14:46:05 GMT from Serbia)
@2, You are lucky there is any distro that can run on that computer. I was checking old laptop like that one (atom 330,2gb ram,ssd) with Lubuntu and Mint XFCE with le9 kernel patch and zram swap, but concluded that older bodhi release on it was more performant. Unfortunately, neither of them is able to realy play YouTube videos on it.
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