DistroWatch Weekly |
DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 917, 17 May 2021 |
Welcome to this year's 19th issue of DistroWatch Weekly!
One of the nice aspects of the open source community is people often want to give back to the distributions and applications they get to use free of charge. There are a lot of ways to contribute to projects we find helpful. Some people donate money, others report bugs, write documentation, or contribute code. Another option is for people to share their bandwidth with the project, acting as a mirror for on-line repositories and hosting ISO files. This week in our Questions and Answers column we discuss setting up a mirror for a Linux distribution. In the past few months several new clones of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) have appeared. Let us know in our Opinion Poll which of the many RHEL clones is your favourite. First though we begin with a review of the Red Hat-sponsored Fedora distribution. Fedora is a cutting edge distribution and a testing ground for a lot of new technologies, but how does it handle daily tasks? Jeff Siegel investigates Fedora 34 and reports on his experiences. In our News section we discuss Haiku being ported to the open source RISC-V CPU architecture while NetBSD expands its ports support and gets a polished new audio mixer for the console. The Fedora distribution will be dropping install-time support for remote root logins using passwords and we share details on this change below. We also report on a change to Vine Linux's release cycle. Plus we are pleased to share the releases of the past week and list the torrents we are seeding. We wish you all a wonderful week and happy reading!
Content:
- Review: Fedora 34
- News: Haiku developing RISC-V port, NetBSD getting polished audio mixer, Fedora dropping remote root password authentication from installer, Vine Linux changes release cycle
- Questions and answers: Providing a distro mirror
- Released last week: Bodhi Linux 6.0.0, NomadBSD 130R-20210508, UBports 16.04 OTA-17
- Torrent corner: ArcoLinux, Bodhi, CloudReady, deepin, DragonFly BSD, ExTiX, FuguIta, GhostBSD, Guix System, KDE neon, NomadBSD, SharkLinux
- Upcoming releases: Tails 4.19
- Opinion poll: Favourite Red Hat Enterprise Linux clone
- New distributions: EdUBudgie, Ryanboot-offical-linux-netbooter
- Reader comments
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Feature Story (by Jeff Siegel) |
Fedora 34
Those of us who run Linux because we're fed up with Ctrl-Alt-Del or aren't hip enough to be Apple-ites also probably aren't the ideal candidates to use Fedora. After all, that's what Linus Torvalds uses, and it's one of the most common distros among coders, system administrators, and the like.
So what happens when someone who thinks Vim and Emacs Reddit posts are funny gives the recently released Fedora 34 workstation a try? He is more than pleasantly surprised. This version of Fedora, put together by the Fedora Project and its sponsor Red Hat, was much more nimble than I expected, and especially given my older hardware. In fact, I was able to do what I normally do - write freelance articles, spend too much time e-mailing editors, and work with WordPress and Substack - without banging my mouse in frustration more than a couple of times.
Does this mean I want to use Fedora 34 as my daily driver? Probably not. I don't have many uses for Boxes, Fedora's VM app. But it does offer a variety of features that other distros should consider adding, including my beloved Xubuntu. The documentation is first-rate, much more complete and easier to use (with pictures, even!) than I've seen almost anywhere else. The ability to configure Nextcloud from a simple prompt as part of the post-installation process is genius. And that I was able to reboot after installation without trying to decide when to remove the install USB - still a sticky proposition with Ubuntu and its flavors - was almost as nice.
Meet GNOME 40
The latest GNOME desktop - version 40, if you're counting in GNOME - is one of the highlights of this version of Fedora. And this comes from someone who has never cared for GNOME, even in the old days when it offered a traditional desktop.
These days, many of us find the current GNOME approach counter-intuitive. I've used the GNOME 3 desktop off and on when experimenting with other distros, and I run Ubuntu 20.04 on a reasonably modern laptop that uses GNOME 3.36. But it's still like trying to speak French to a native when all you've had is a couple of years in high school - you can do it, but it's slow and painful and you have to hope the other person has lots of patience.
GNOME 40, though, removes much of that awkwardness. Yes, there is still the contradiction that is the GNOME extension framework, where you need a browser to install the extensions (which I've never understood). Likewise, using the search box on the top of the workspaces screen doesn't list any installed apps, but does offer the weather in Libreville, Gabon, if you're trying to find LibreOffice's Writer. And mousing to the upper left hand screen corner to access the Activities button to call up the active apps remains a contradiction in motion for anyone who is right-handed.
Fedora 34 -- Scanning a document
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But putting the dash bar on the bottom of the screen makes most mouse work easier than ever, and it's a relief that clicking the "show applications" icon on the dash bar actually takes you to a list of all the apps that have been installed - with the name of the app under its icon. As someone who has suffered through Ctrl-right click to access Plank's preferences, moving the icons to and fro on the dash bar is simple and straightforward.
Fedora 34 -- Browsing installed software
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Customization was straightforward as well. I installed GNOME Tweaks, and soon had maximize and minimize on my titlebars, as well as battery percentage next to the icon on the top bar. Though, sadly, the GNOME Eye is no longer available as an extension.
I wasn't even put off by the way GNOME 40 handles workspaces. That's saying something, since one of the first things I do on any fresh installation is to eliminate all but one workspace. It's actually possible, thanks to the improved workspace switcher, to see what is running on each workspace, click on the workspace to get to that app, and even close the app from the workspace without having to go to the workspace. It's even reasonably simple to swipe between workspaces and apps with the mouse, something that will come in handy for anyone who is used to doing that on touchscreens and phones.
Fedora 34 -- Switching between applications and workspaces
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The good, the bad, and the missing
Which brings us to software - what's installed, what's not installed, and how to install it. Here, Fedora 34 lags, and there doesn't seem to be any good reason for it. It's first-rate in so many other ways, so why can't I find out if the Chrome browser is installed without a fair amount of clicking and mousing? It didn't show up on the installed applications accessible from the dash bar, but when I "installed" it from the command line, the prompt told me it was already installed. Which is still wasn't, though it is in the software store.
I know the current fashion is to use GMail from the browser, but those of us who still want Thunderbird will be more than a little confused to find two versions of it in the software store, without any explanation of why there are two and what the differences are (save for different version numbers). This seemed to be common - two versions of the Chromium browser, for example. In addition, LibreOffice Draw isn't installed by default, also surprising since so many of us use it to edit PDF files.
The software store, though not as buggy as the Ubuntu version, still leaves much to be desired. It's not especially quick, and it took a noticeable amount of time on my laptop for the icons to load - long enough to do something else, look back, and see it wasn't finished. Plus, the update process, complete with a Windows-style line saying "Don't turn off your computer" and spinning wheel, can be long and off-putting.
Fedora 34 -- Waiting for the software centre to load
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The less said the better about dnfdragora, Fedora's version of Debian's venerable Synaptic. It's slow to load - so slow that it locks up and you get a not-responding prompt. Plus, for some reason, it's named python3 on the top panel - a quality control mistake that's difficult to believe on something as well constructed as Fedora. And Chromium is listed, but not Chrome - the exact opposite of the software store.
Fedora 34 -- Using the dnfdragora software manager
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Cheese, the webcam app for photos and videos, works much better than on Ubuntu - not lagging on the video, for instance. Rhythmbox, the default music app, does what it does, as does Evince the default PDF reader, and Photos, using for editing pictures. The scanning and printer apps found my Canon MX920 without any trouble, which is impressive since I have to use a 2.4G wireless signal to access the Canon. And the printer control even sort of recognized the ink levels.
VLC, my preferred video player, isn't in the software store or dnfdragora. Videos, the default software, offers some nice features, though, including the ability take screenshots of videos and to create a screenshot gallery.
Fedora 34 -- Viewing open applications
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PipeWire, which some see as eventually replacing PulseAudio to handle Linux sound, is the default in Fedora 34. I didn't have any problems with it, but all I did was play a couple of songs with Rhythmbox and watch a couple of YouTube videos through the laptop's speakers. And I don't find PulseAudio lacking on my Ubuntu systems, so I'm probably not the audience for this, either.
Battery life was impressive - an hour of testing, customizing, and web surfing only used up about 25 percent.
... and the ugly
So what didn't work? The screen display, using anything other than the default resolution, didn't always allow access to or show the entire screen. This was a serious problem during installation from the live disk. I set the scale at 200 percent, which offered an easy to see screen given my default 1920x1080 display. But as I moved through the installation, I couldn't move down the screen to click the necessary boxes; they remained out of sight. I had to go back to 100 percent at 1920x1080 to install Fedora. Needless to say, this was one of the couple of times I was banging the mouse, since I couldn't figure out why my installation screen didn't look like the one in the documentation. Later, when I set the screen to 1368x768, the workspace switcher didn't display all the open apps on the various workspaces after I hit the show applications screen.
I had to set the time myself - the automatic setting during installation put me on U.S. Eastern Daylight Time, though I am on U.S. Central Daylight. And one of the GNOME weather extensions for the top bar, Open Weather, wouldn't recognize the included API, as well as one that I have. I ended up using Weather in the Clock, which really wasn't what I wanted.
In the end, I was surprised at how comfortable I felt with Fedora 34. I didn't find it as easy to use as Ubuntu's version of the GNOME desktop, but it was far easier to use than I thought it would be - especially since I didn't do much to it, save for the window controls. If I had done my usual tweaks, it probably would have been far closer to what I prefer.
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Hardware used for this review
My physical test equipment for this review was am Asus UX31A laptop with the following specifications:
- Processor: Intel Core i5-3317U, 1.7GHz
- Storage: 128GB SSD
- Memory: 4GB of RAM
- Networking: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless
- Display: Integrated Intel HD Graphics 4000
When he is not testing out new versions of Linux distributions, Jeff Siegel can be found writing about all things related to wine at Wine Curmudgeon.
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Visitor supplied rating
Fedora has a visitor supplied average rating of: 8.3/10 from 354 review(s).
Have you used Fedora? You can leave your own review of the project on our ratings page.
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Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith) |
Haiku developing RISC-V port, NetBSD getting polished audio mixer, Fedora dropping remote root password authentication from installer, Vine Linux changes release cycle
The Haiku operating system is gradually gaining support for the RISC-V open CPU hardware architecture. A thread on the Haiku forum shows screenshots of the step-by-step progress of getting the lightweight operating system booting and running its desktop on RISC-V. "Port is currently targeting TinyEMU because it is simple and its source code can be used as reference, later adding QEmu support is planned. haiku_loader is directly used as firmware, no u-boot or UEFI bit loaders are used. All development and testing is performed on Haiku."
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Nia Alarie has posted some updates about work going into the highly portable NetBSD operating system. Some improvements include ongoing work to port NetBSD to RISC-V, introducing support for more ARM processors, and improving a console-based audio mixer called aiomixer. "aiomixer is an application that I've been maintaining outside of NetBSD for a few years. It was available as a package, and was a 'graphical' (curses, terminal-based) mixer for NetBSD's audio API, inspired by programs like alsamixer. For some time I've thought that it should be integrated into the NetBSD base system - it's small and simple, very useful, and many developers and users had it installed (some told me that they would install it on all of their machines that needed audio output). For my particular use case, as well as my NetBSD laptop, I have some small NetBSD machines around the house plugged into speakers that I play music from. Sometimes I like to SSH into them to adjust the playback volume, and it's often easier to do visually than with mixerctl."
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The Fedora team is planning to drop an installer option which would allow users to access the Fedora root account remotely through password authentication. "Since 2019 the Anaconda installer GUI hosted an option called "Allow SSH root login with password", that made it possible to enable password based root logins over SSH on the installed system. This was always meant as a temporary option to help users transition to either using key authentication or normal users with admin privileges. And after two years of transition period it is now time to drop the option from the GUI." The history behind this option and the reasons for its removal in Fedora 35 are presented in a change proposal.
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Vine Linux, one of the oldest Japanese Linux distributions, has announced the discontinuation of regular releases. From now on the project will focus exclusively on updating VineSeed, its development branch, which will effectively turn Vine Linux into a rolling-release distribution. The VineSeed branch continues to receive regular updates and it currently includes Linux kernel 5.4, GCC 10.3, RPM 4.16 and GNOME 40. Users are encouraged to upgrade their 6.5 installation to VineSeed by modifying the APT sources to point to the VineSeed repository. (Vine Linux, originally being based on Red Hat Linux, uses Debian's APT utility for managing its rpm packages). Here is the brief announcement (in Japanese) as published on the project's website. Vine Linux was founded in 1998 by Daisuke Suzuki, a prominent Linux pioneer in the country, as a continuation of Project-JE which developed Japanese language support and Japanese input methods for Slackware Linux and Red Hat Linux.
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These and other news stories can be found on our Headlines page.
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Questions and Answers (by Jesse Smith) |
Providing a distro mirror
Maintaining-a-mirror asks: I run a private server and I would like to help with hosting one or more distros, but I don't know how to start. Do you have any idea how could I help the community if they need a fast server located close to London? I guess I could just start uploading any distro, but how do I make sure that other users can access my server?
DistroWatch answers: It sounds like what you have in mind is providing a mirror for one or more distributions. A mirror typically contains either a copy of the distribution's package repository or their installation media, often both.
Before you commit to this course of action, I recommend considering just how much disk space and network traffic you may find yourself handling. The Debian archive, for instance, is approximately 3.3TB (3,336GB) of packages. The Ubuntu archive is smaller with 1.1TB (1,100GB) of packages and 23GB of ISO files. The Arch Linux wiki recommends at least 50GB of disk space to become a mirror. Before you decide to become a mirror, keep in mind that people will probably be accessing your server every day, downloading hundreds, perhaps thousands, of megabytes of data each day. This usage will spike near release days.
If this sounds within your server's capabilities and your bandwidth budget, then you can read your distribution's guidelines to setting up a mirror. Most of the big distributions provide instructions on how to set one up. Here are instructions for Debian, Ubuntu, Arch Linux, openSUSE, and Fedora. Other projects which are interested in having people contribute resources will have guides to setting up mirrors in their own documentation. The documentation generally explains how to set up the server, what to mirror, and how to get your server added to the list of official mirrors.
On the other hand, if you don't feel you have the kind of time or resources to provide a full project mirror, then you will still be able to help. A lot of people watch for torrents of new releases and download the torrents to help seed new distribution versions. This takes the bandwidth strain off the projects and requires relatively few resources from the individuals seeding the torrents.
DistroWatch provides a list of new releases made available through torrents. This list is updated at least once per week and these torrents can be downloaded using any common browser, download utility or torrenting software, such as Transmission. I like Transmission because it can be run in both command line and through web-based portals which makes it suitable for running on servers.
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Additional answers can be found in our Questions and Answers archive.
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Released Last Week |
DragonFly BSD 6.0.0
Justin Sherrill has announced the release of a new version of DragonFly BSD. The latest version, DragonFly BSD 6.0.0, focuses on filesystem improvements, including work done to the advanced HAMMER2 filesystem. "DragonFly version 6.0 is the next step from the 5.8 release series in 2020. This version has a revamped VFS caching system, various filesystem updates including HAMMER2, and a long list of userland updates. The details of all commits between the 5.8 and 6.0 branches are available in the associated commit messages for 6.0.0rc1 and 6.0.0. Big-ticket items: Significant work on dsynth, for building packages. Many updates of contrib system software. HAMMER2 work continues, with updates from Tomohiro Kusumi. Major VM work for extent-based representation. Due to major changes to the VM system we had to remove the MAP_VPAGETABLE mmap() feature, and this also means that vkernels will not be supported in this release. Support may be re-added at a later time via HVM (but not in this release)." Further details can be found in the project's release announcement and in the release notes.
Guix System 1.3.0
Ludovic Courtès has announced the release of Guix System 1.3.0, an advanced distribution of the GNU operating system developed by the GNU Project which respects the freedom of computer users. It uses a recent Linux-libre kernel and a custom package management tool called Guix. Version 1.3.0 introduces experimental support for the POWER9 architecture. "We are pleased to announce the release of GNU Guix version 1.3.0. The release comes with ISO-9660 installation images, a virtual machine image, and with tarballs to install the package manager on top of your GNU/Linux distro, either from source or from binaries. Guix users can update by running guix pull. A distinguishing Guix feature is its support for declarative deployment - instead of running a bunch of guix install and guix remove commands, you run guix package --manifest=manifest.scm, where manifest.scm lists the software you want to install. Doing that installs exactly the packages listed. You can have that file under version control and share it with others, which is convenient. Until now, one would have to write the manifest by hand - not insurmountable, but still a barrier to someone willing to migrate to the declarative model." Read the full release announcement for further details.
Bodhi Linux 6.0.0
Bodhi Linux is an Ubuntu-based distribution which combined Ubuntu's long-term support (LTS) release with the Moksha desktop, which is a fork of the Enlightenment user interface. "Today the Bodhi Team is pleased to announce the release of Bodhi Linux 6.0. Bodhi 6.0 is built on the Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS (Focal Fossa) base. Our Arc-Green theme underwent a major revamp now featuring an animated background, updated splash screen, and numerous tweaks. The BL6 login screen now features the elegant slick greeter. Naturally, there also is a new Plymouth theme. The Moksha desktop environment has had numerous improvements and a few new features added. In addition to all this, the Bodhi Team has tried to improve support for non-English languages. As a result, we now install by default the gnome language tool. None of this would have been possible without the support of the Bodhi community and the volunteer work of our small group of translators." Further information can be found in the project's release announcement.
Bodhi Linux 6.0.0 -- Running the Moksha desktop
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Parted Magic 2021_05_12
Parted Magic is a small live CD/USB/PXE with its elemental purpose being to partition hard drives. Although GParted and Parted are the main programs, the CD/USB also offers other applications, such as Partition Image, TestDisk, fdisk, sfdisk, dd, and ddrescue. The project's latest release, version 2021_05_12, is the latest of the distribution's fixed releases. The release announcement on the Parted Magic news page reports the distribution will shift to a rolling release approach later in the year. "This version of Parted Magic once again updates 100's of core programs and adds some new ones requested by users. I have added bcachefs-tools, but I was not able find a kernel patch for Linux 5.12, so there isn't any kernel support. There is also some other news. This is the last version of Parted Magic in it's current release format. Starting with the next release (in about 3 months), Parted Magic will take on the rolling release model. The One Year Subscription will be mostly unchanged. The other option will be a subscription service for $4 a month. Why is this better? You will be able to pay $4 a month and get fixes and updates. This lowers the price from $11 to $4 if you only need Parted Magic for a single one off project. All you have to do is log into your account and unsubscribe at any time."
UBports 16.04 OTA-17
UBports is a community-developed fork of Canonical's Ubuntu Touch operating system for mobile devices. The project's latest release is 16.04 OTA-17 which introduces new device support, camera fixes across multiple devices, and an update to the Mir display software. "Ubuntu Touch now has support for NFC hardware in most of our devices running with Android 9 hardware compatibility, including the Pixel 3a and Volla Phone. NFC support gives app developers the ability to read or write NFC tags; or even to communicate with another device using the protocol. People have already been thinking up ideas for how to use NFC features to read from passive medical monitors... This is a feature that seems to make people very excited. You can find some demo apps for this feature on Alfred's GitHub, ut-nfcd-p2p-demo showcases support for two Ubuntu Touch devices communicating while ut-nfcd-ndev-demo shows off reading and writing NFC tags. Camera flash, zoom, rotation, and focus was fixed on many supported Ubuntu Touch devices, including the OnePlus One." Additional information can be found in the project's release announcement.
NomadBSD 130R-20210508
A new stable version of NomadBSD has been released. NomadBSD is a persistent live system for USB Flash drives, based on FreeBSD. It features automatic hardware detection and setup and it is configured to be used as a desktop system (with Openbox as the default window manager). The new release, labeled as version 130R-20210508, upgrades the underlying base system to FreeBSD 13.0: "We are pleased to present the release of NomadBSD 130R-20210508. Changes since 1.4: we've decided to change the versioning scheme to the following form - FFfX-YYYYMMDD, where FF is the major two-digit FreeBSD version, f is the minor version, and X stands for ALPHA (A), BETA (B), RC or RELEASE (R), followed by a date; the new scheme allows us to provide images with different version of FreeBSD; the base system has been upgraded to FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE; the partition alignment has been changed to 1M to improve the write speed on Flash drives; a bug where GLX is disabled has been fixed; drivers for VMware have been added." Here is the full release announcement.
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
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Torrent Corner |
Weekly Torrents
The table below provides a list of torrents DistroWatch is currently seeding. If you do not have a bittorrent client capable of handling the linked files, we suggest installing either the Transmission or KTorrent bittorrent clients.
Archives of our previously seeded torrents may be found in our Torrent Archive. We also maintain a Torrents RSS feed for people who wish to have open source torrents delivered to them. To share your own open source torrents of Linux and BSD projects, please visit our Upload Torrents page.
Torrent Corner statistics:
- Total torrents seeded: 2,445
- Total data uploaded: 37.6TB
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Upcoming Releases and Announcements |
Summary of expected upcoming releases
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Opinion Poll (by Jesse Smith) |
Favourite Red Hat Enterprise Linux clone
For years there have been a number of clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux and now, with Red Hat phasing out CentOS Linux in favour of CentOS Stream, it has given rise to a whole new wave of Red Hat clones seeking to fill the vacuum. Do you have a (currently maintained) preferred clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)? Let us know which of the new clones you've tried in the comments.
You can see the results of our previous poll on methods for installing third-party software in last week's edition. All previous poll results can be found in our poll archives.
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Favourite Red Hat Enterprise Linux clone
AlmaLinuxOS: | 108 (7%) |
EuroLinux: | 15 (1%) |
Oracle Linux: | 61 (4%) |
Rocky Linux: | 233 (15%) |
Springdale Linux: | 24 (2%) |
VzLinux: | 3 (0%) |
Other: | 32 (2%) |
I do not run RHEL clones: | 1112 (70%) |
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Website News |
New distributions added to waiting list
- EdUBudgie. EdUBudgie is an Ubuntu-based distribution featuring the Budgie desktop environment. It is intended to be used by students in high school and university environments.
- Ryanboot-offical-linux-netbooter. Ryanboot-offical-linux-netbooter is a minimal distribution used to remotely boot other Linux distributions over a network.
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Reader Comments • Jump to last comment |
1 • Wine Curmudgeon (by Wedge009 on 2021-05-17 00:35:32 GMT from Australia)
I made the mistake of thinking that the Wine Curmudgeon site was about the Wine software, not the alcoholic drink. The lower-case w in 'wine' should have told me that, but oh well...
2 • Fedora 34 too bad... (by Bobbie Sellers on 2021-05-17 00:48:42 GMT from United States)
I am glad to read the review so that I do not have to interact with such a mess. Since it is from Red Hat and that is IBM I do not expect it to be so messed up as to call programs by the incorrect names. Why Two versions of common programs is hard to fathom, doing away with root logins is just about the end of the world for this once imposing distribution. I guess that the intended audience will just absorb the changes without protest since they earlier swallowed systemd.
But IBM should know better. But I guess they just are interested in corporate world stuff where nonsense is better than MS. But if they want to equal MS they will have to turn out updates that destroy the functionality of the machines.
bliss -“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am...
3 • RHEL clones (by Roger on 2021-05-17 00:51:25 GMT from Belgium)
None in our GNU/Linux werkgroep run RHEL clones, we seem to concetrate on Debian and Ubuntu based ones. Only one member is using Suse for testing the KDE desktop, but his main desktop is Linux Mint like ninety procent of our group. I tested PopOS but found it very slow on the same hardware, so that one is out.
4 • RHEL clones (by E. DeLozier on 2021-05-17 00:53:21 GMT from United States)
I’m a high-tier helpdesk/low-tier sysadmin for a small MSP. We mostly run Windows server, to my dissapointment, but our FreePBX phone systems run on Sangoma Linux, which is basically CentOS with a FreePBX and asterisk installed by default. For our use case, CentOS 7 is supported for long enough that we’re not worried about it, and the 16 free RHEL licenses we get fill in the gaps for things like the Ansible server I’m using to help manage the phone systems and a few other servers.
I haven’t put CentOS Stream 8 into production yet, but I’d genuinely like to and see how it fares. I’m willing to bet it’s a lot more stable and usable than a lot of people seem to think. I know lots of people have very different use cases than mine, but a RHEL clone would provide very little value for me.
5 • Oracle Linux journey (by Jules on 2021-05-17 01:03:26 GMT from Australia)
Hi, WIth computer specifications of: A Intel GA-Extreme motherboard, 24GB RAM, Geforce GT-710 2GB video cards and 8 * 500GB sata HDDs, I run Oracle Linux 7.7 with Oracle 11.2, Oracle 12.2 and Oracle 18C databases installed. I also run Microsoft SQL Server on Oracle Linux on the same physical box.
Oracle Linux is fun to use but can be intimidating to Linux beginners. Being a high medium Linux user (I would not call myself an expert), Oracle Linux is great learning tools for operating system deep dive, fun to play and hack with. I do have other 3 Linux boxes (with MX Linux 19.3, Linux Mint 20.1 and Manjaro 21) installed, but I find that Oracle Linux is were one can learn the operating system and its mechanics. I use use google and various other dedicated Oracle linux web sites to custom the Oracle Linux environment. Between NFS, samba and FTP, all four Linux boxes communicate with one another. and with my 2 Windows boxes (the 2 windows boxes are for work). I prefer Linux over Windows anytime.
If someone has a spare PC, give Oracle Linux a go (even in a VM). Long Live Linux !
6 • The new Fedora (by milo henderson on 2021-05-17 01:13:27 GMT from United States)
I have a spare computer so I installed the new Fedora. I attempted to use the system for a couple of hours. I found the whole system so confusing I removed it and went back to my rolling release distro ,whose name I won't mention and the good old i3wm. Ah, sanity once again.
7 • Favorite RHEL clone (by Trevor on 2021-05-17 01:26:22 GMT from United States)
RockyLinux, by far. Look deep enough at any other recently arriving contender and the community support is either highly exaggerated or almost a complete fallacy.
8 • fedora 34 (by matt on 2021-05-17 01:38:39 GMT from United States)
I'm normally a debian user, and my main machine always runs debians stable branch. I decided to try out fedora for the first time.
I started using F33 on an old thinkpad. I used the xfce spin instead of gnome. I've actually been surprised how much I like it. No updates (or the upgrade to F34) caused any problems. Having access to newer software and try new things like pipewire, etc is useful. I think their documentation for newcomers is better than many other linux distros. I actually think it's a pretty solid distro overall.
I did have the same experience with dnf dragora. It's slow, and basically not worth using. Luckily dnf on the command line is fine, but I prefer apt overall.
9 • vine linux (by Tim on 2021-05-17 02:01:30 GMT from United States)
I’ve always been fascinated by Vine, a very long lived independent distro that makes its own choices. I was first aware of it as it was one of the last distros to support 32 bit powerpc. I’m going to give VineSeed a spin.
10 • Oracle and other RHEL clone (by Charlie on 2021-05-17 02:23:00 GMT from Hong Kong)
I gave Oracle a try and found it's not really 100% compatitle to RHEL, so I doubt if it can be called a "clone". It has a different version of kernel, and the RPM Fusion repo for EL cannot be installed on Oracle, it's somewhat frustrating.
I am glad that people prefer Rocky over Alma, I admit I have a little bias against Alma. They seemed trying to release their EL clone asap in order to be available earlier than Rocky, and to gain focus and attraction. Also, I'm skeptical that we just shift away from CentOS, controlled by Red Hat to another company-controlled distro.
11 • rocky linux (by papapito on 2021-05-17 03:44:11 GMT from Australia)
if I have to use a rhel clone, it's rocky. but trying to get away from rhel altogether. work seems to want to push ubuntu as our server OS. there are a couple rogue techs who are working on smaller projects with alpine and another on arch. hoping they come to fruition for satellite offices but who knows.
fedora hyped up a fireworks show to deliver a couple kids with sparklers. incredibly unimpressed with the gnome 40 experience on f34. that isnt a fedora issue as such but why lead a major release with an alpha DE?
gave GUIX a spin, other than slow updates from my side, it feels smooth and everything is there or within reach.
12 • Fedora 34 (by kksheth on 2021-05-17 05:21:36 GMT from India)
@6 Do you know fedora has a new i3 spin with fedora 34. Fedora has by default gnome which is horrible. all other fedora spin like cinnamon, mate etc are excellent. Only fedora mate has compiz/emerald beautifully working.
13 • IBM (by GaryW on 2021-05-17 06:16:08 GMT from Australia)
@2, a joke that was popular in the 20th century: "IBM" stands for "It's Better than Microsoft".
I haven't tried Fedora for a few years now. GNOME, systemd, btrfs... three strikes and you're out.
14 • GNOME (by ro0t on 2021-05-17 06:49:41 GMT from Germany)
I tried it, and I delete it. Beside some dead DE, I think GNOME is the worst.
15 • Oracle Linux (by Microlinux on 2021-05-17 08:09:46 GMT from France)
Oracle Linux has been around since 2006, and in terms of maintenance it's the best RHEL clone out there. Take a peek at the package update timeline, all other clones are lagging far behind. Contrary to what's been said here, OL is 100% compatible to RHEL (you don't have to use the UEK kernel, you even have a separate installation ISO for that), and the in-house third party repos are only provided so folks can use one single download mirror (what with proxies and all). The documentation is excellent, and the user forum is extremely helpful. Oh, and it's free-as-in-beer and will always be.
16 • Fedora 34 - Keep fair for no distro can ever be perfect (by Gerhard Goetzhaber on 2021-05-17 08:51:52 GMT from Austria)
Fedora is great evolution! However, to get happy with it just follow two simple rules: 1. Make use of setting it up in accordance to your personal preferencies as there are a lot of official spins available. If you don't like GNOME try out KDE (Already very good experience on Wayland, too!) or Xfce (For "oldboys", this' mine!). More on, you are offered free choice of file systems and partitioning within individual installing. It's worth to do! 2. On Fedora, ALWAYS install software from nothing else but command line by calling dnf!!! SIMPLY LEARN TO USE IT - it'll be followed by enlightenment, great fun and satisfaction! Trust me ... ; )
17 • Fedora 34 (by Carlos Felipe Araujo on 2021-05-17 12:21:39 GMT from Brazil)
I'm using Fedora 34 on an old iMac 21" Late 2011 and it's running faster than macOS. I use Linux officially since Ubuntu 9.04 and I did haven't many troubles to change .deb to .rpm.
My opinion to improve Fedora: - a LTS version, or increase the support F+(X). - VLC is missing (the flatpak doesn't share the codecs I guess), - I had troubles using Zoom, my students complain microphony. - Easier install application, Anaconda is harder than Calamares for exemple. - More extensions (blur my shell, clipboard indicator, espresso, icons on desktop)
18 • fedora (by aurel on 2021-05-17 12:40:22 GMT from Moldova)
fedora provides a really interesting edition fedora silverblue, which uses rpm-ostree. IMHO it is easier to use than dnf.
Also dnf itself is slow and heavy, I use microdnf instead, started to use it inside docker containers, but then switched to it from dnf itself.
19 • UEK SUX (by Oracle...NOT on 2021-05-17 13:14:26 GMT from United States)
Linux user since 1997 and have used it daily in the enterprise for almost 20 years. Oracle Linux UEK absolutely blows. I have lost more Oracle Linux servers then any other OS or device I maintain including Microsoft. Calling it 'unbreakable' is the most ironic name of all time.
I can't recommend an alternative, but I can recommend you stay away from Oracle Linux if you care about your time.
20 • technology demo (by Tad Strange on 2021-05-17 15:29:06 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the review, reminding me why I shouldn't bother with the latest Fedora alpha release.
I'll run any of the X number of rolling release distros if I want current software without being an unpaid beta tester. Not to disparage anyone who enjoys such a hobby - Fedora obviously has its place and its fans.
RHEL and its derivatives are not really relevant to my current work. In my previous work we generally preferred a Ubuntu LTS server edition for the stuff that we didn't want to license a Windows server for.
21 • Fedora 34 (by Basilio on 2021-05-17 16:20:11 GMT from Italy)
I am using Fedora 34 KDE spin (x11) and it looks much better to me than F32 and F33. Dnfdragora is still not completely mature and slow, but it is safely usable. I would rate Fedora 34 more than sufficient, bearing in mind that a Fedora user is always a beta tester also. My fairly positive experience probably depends on the fact that I have not a discrete video card and I don't use any "Software Store". To have Vlc you need to install the RPMfusion repositories (Vlc is clearly superior to Dragon Player) and I suggest installing Clementine instead of Elisa. For those who want Google Chrome there is an excellent guide of "If not true then false" at this address: https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2010/install-google-chrome-with-yum-on-fedora-red-hat-rhel/
22 • Fedora 34 (by Tech in San Diego on 2021-05-17 19:37:48 GMT from United States)
Every new version of Fedora that I've installed has had the same overarching challenges that preceded it. Jeff correctly pointed out the same issues that this distro is known for is performance. And I'm only talking about the average desktop client. Server usage on the other hand has a phenomenal track record of security, performance and reliability.
I didn't find a lot of documentation about PipeWire on either the Fedora website, (Fedora Magazine) and even less on the PipeWire official website. My goal is to merge JACK, ALSA and Pulse support with PipeWire for my A/V apps, LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Shotcut, DeadBeef, etc.
I'm not going to bother to install Fedora 34 this time, but I am curious about what the community is observing when it comes to the system resources (@ idle). Fedora has always been in the "heavy weight" class, but I'm curious to hear from anyone who has installed F34 with GNOME 4. Faster, Slower, about the Same?
All the Best! Tech in San Diego
23 • RHEL Clones (by Ubuntu on 2021-05-17 20:20:37 GMT from United States)
Never had a good experience with anything Red Hat has put out. It's always slow and buggy. Has been since I started using Linux over 15 years ago. For personal machines I use nothing but Gentoo. For servers I use nothing but Ubuntu. Both work, both are fast and neither gives me any problems.
24 • Oracle (by Charlie on 2021-05-18 01:39:59 GMT from Hong Kong)
@15
"Contrary to what's been said here, OL is 100% compatible to RHEL"
Look at the DW database, Oracle Linux 8.3 uses kernel 5.4.17: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=oracle
While RH 8.3 is 4.18: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat
How come this is 100% compatible? Or is there any other non-default method to install a bit-by-bit RH compatible Oracle Linux?
25 • Oracle and RHEL (by Jesse on 2021-05-18 01:54:18 GMT from Canada)
@24: Oracle ships with two kernels. One is their custom Oracle kernel - it is the 5.4.17 one you mentioned. The other is the RHEL compatible 4.18 kernel. The admin picks which one they want to run. So you can either have 100% compatibility with RHEL or you can have near-compatibility with Oracle's custom kernel.
You can see both kernels listed if you bring up a complete package listing for version 8.3: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=oracle&pkglist=true&version=8.3#pkglist
26 • Server OS/CentOS Clones (by Cynic on 2021-05-18 11:39:16 GMT from Ghana)
CentOS used to be a favorite for me.. the 5.x releases in particular were such solid releases I even ran them on my primary computer for years.
With the incorporation of Gnome3 and systemd, my liking started to fade. The discontinuation of CentOS's point releases presented the proverbial 'straw that broke the camels back'...
All these binary 1:1 distributions coming out are essentially fragmentation of a project that (in my opinion) already went 'south'. Server OS's used to be lightweight and headless (I do like a GUI on a server due to the ease of use it adds, but Gnome3.. seriously..?).
What's worse is the idea that Ubuntu (which is so far from vanilla Linux it's like Windows 10 compared to it's original DOS base) is a decent server environment. Personally, when running servers I want to know that how and what I set up the 'last time' will hold true 'this time', but as Canonical makes changes and everyone says "how high?!" - it kills this idea entirely.
I'll be sticking with Slackware and/or its derivatives for my servers whenever possible. Stability and predictability are what servers need to run and thrive - not forced upstream changes from developers retrofitting a desktop OS into a server OS. Abstraction hell at it's worst..
27 • Poll (by anon on 2021-05-18 21:21:29 GMT from United States)
I voted other as I believe PCLinuxOS counts. If it does not count, sorry.
28 • Clones Vs Descendants (by M.Z. on 2021-05-19 04:32:57 GMT from United States)
@27 "I voted other as I believe PCLinuxOS counts."
The poll was on the identical twins of RHEL, you're talking about a cousin at best, or possibly distant step child depending on how you count the Linux family tree. They are all RPM & PCLinuxOS was originally based on Mandriva, which was in turn originally based on Red Hat. That being said the PCLOS part of the family tree is quite separate from current versions of M OpenMandriva & both are quite separate from RHEL & its clones. I run PCLOS cousin Mageia in a few places, but I still answered that I don't run any RHEL clones.
29 • Poll Question (by Otis on 2021-05-19 22:07:22 GMT from United States)
"Clone?" Okay.. but my mind doesn't wrap around that term for tributary distros branched from others. Children .. heck who cares, I guess.
I found the 70% "I don't run RHEL clones" predictable. Of the other 30% of users responding, a pretty good chunk of them say they're running Rocky. Very interesting. Hope abounds, as we see a lot of hard luck stories of experience with Fedora/RedHat etc.
30 • Red Hat Clones (by penguinx86 on 2021-05-20 07:58:21 GMT from United States)
I used CentOS and Oracle Linux when I was learning Linux and distro hopping a lot. But when I studied for the LPIC-1 exam, I downloaded actual Red Hat 8 on my laptop. I was able to get a 30 day trial license. But when the license expired, I didn't want to pay $179 for an annual license renewal fee for a home laptop for non-enterprise use. Red Hat still worked, but I couldn't get any more updates. So, I wiped the SSD and installed Fedora for free instead instead. Now I'm using Fedora 34 instead with Gnome 40. I'm liking Gnome 40, but the inability to minimize windows is soft of a deal breaker. I'll probably switch back to Xfce instead.
31 • Debian Clones (by Amin on 2021-05-20 20:46:48 GMT from France)
It depends on different parameters. But I personally prefer to use Debian and its subsets like Ubuntu. For security, I will definitely use Kali.
32 • About RTFM and "deal breaker" (by whoKnows on 2021-05-21 05:54:47 GMT from Switzerland)
30 • Red Hat Clones (by penguinx86 from United States)
“I used CentOS and Oracle Linux when I was learning Linux and distro hopping a lot. But when I studied for the LPIC-1 exam, I downloaded actual Red Hat 8 on my laptop. I was able to get a 30 day trial license. But when the license expired, I didn't want to pay $179 for an annual license renewal fee for a home laptop for non-enterprise use. Red Hat still worked, but I couldn't get any more updates. So, I wiped the SSD and installed Fedora for free instead instead. Now I'm using Fedora 34 instead with Gnome 40. I'm liking Gnome 40, but the inability to minimize windows is soft of a deal breaker. I'll probably switch back to Xfce instead.”
I very much hope that you are referring to Local Professional Institute of Carpentry, when you mention LPIC.
1. The users of RHEL have fundamentally different needs from the users of Fedora, but yes, both are operating systems.
2. “Inability to minimize windows”? Didn't you just say that you used CentOS/Oracle/RHEL? They all use Gnome-Classic by default, and they have minimized button on the windows.
3. One can change between Gnome and Gnome-Classic on the login screen.
If Gnome-Classic:
4. Minimize/maximize buttons are on the windows. Start menu is there.
5. One single extension is needed if one wants to put favorites on the task bar. It's called TaskBar 2020.
If Gnome (40):
6. Right-click on the window frame on top and there is “minimize” option. Double-click (left) is “maximize”.
7. One can install Tweaks (gnome-tweaks) and go to: Tweaks/Window Titlebars/ Titlebar Buttons and enable the minimize/maximize buttons.
8. One could also install “Hot Edge (by yoda)” extension, if one's so desperately missing the program launch-dock. “Add a hot edge that activates the overview to the bottom of the screen”.
But ... nobody needs any of it. It is user who must adapt himself to his/her operating system. Exactly the same as when one buys the car. Gear-changing lever might is not always bottom-middle ...
Have you ever checked RedHat documentation on how to use Gnome?
33 • GUI best practice (by Somewhat Reticent on 2021-05-21 17:02:30 GMT from United States)
@32: "It is user who must adapt … to … operating system. Exactly the same as when one buys the car. Gear-changing lever … is not always bottom-middle …"
"You Will Adapt; Resistance is Futile."
Sure - unless you are the buyer, and you require "bottom-middle" shift-control. Either seller offers a suitable model, or offers to adapt an otherwise suitable model, or competition gets the sale.
A good GUI shouldn't need reference to the Full Manual (which hasn't been provided in decades); if a proper introduction (perhaps with demo video) is not provided, that's a fail.
34 • About the “GUI practice” ... (by whoKnows on 2021-05-21 18:37:21 GMT from Switzerland)
@33 • GUI best practice (by Somewhat Reticent from United States)
““You Will Adapt; Resistance is Futile.”
Sure — unless you are the buyer, and you require “bottom-middle” shift-control.”
Wrong. Nobody MUST use modern Gome — Gnome-Classic is included. And ... one could still install IceWM, Xfce or whatever — but even then, the user MUST adjust himself towards IceWM, Xfce or whtever ... simple logic.
“A good GUI shouldn't need reference to the Full Manual (which hasn't been provided in decades); if a proper introduction (perhaps with demo video) is not provided, that's a fail.”
Some people ALWAYS need manual — no matter what they do or use. ;)
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