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1 • Manjaro (by Pumpino on 2021-04-26 00:43:33 GMT from Australia)
As an ex Arch user, I find Manjaro Testing to be perfect. The packages are newer than stable, but I'm not bombarded with updates every day like with Unstable. If there's a particular package that I want to access prior to it reaching Testing (such as Evolution recently), I temporarily enable the Unstable repo to install it. I never encounter issues with doing this like with some other distros (eg. Debian).
2 • Manjaro (by Guido on 2021-04-26 01:20:49 GMT from Philippines)
I really like Manjaro. However, it also has a disadvantage. Some of the programs I need are only available in the AUR. They have to be compiled with great effort. That costs a lot of time and energy.
3 • manjaro (by papapico on 2021-04-26 01:43:03 GMT from Australia)
has become bloated. arch itself is great, has the basic installer prompts for a very basic set up, can install yay from CLI and if you really want things like pamac you install them. I am not sure why, it feels like manjaro as an os fights me almost every step of the way. artix, archo, archlab, etc all do a better job of installing arch and keeping the relevant install to what you actually need vs what manjaro thinks might be needed. I feel they maybe latched on to being one of the more presentable arch based distro initially and have not been shaken free since.
4 • Manjaro (by anon on 2021-04-26 06:01:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
I used Manjaro for several years but found it to be less stable than Arch. The developers default choices sometimes outraged the user community and the forum became less and less friendly.
Now I use EndeavourOS for my 64 bit machines and Archlinux32 for old 32 bit machines.
The EndeavourOS forum is the most friendly and helpful I have ever come across.
5 • Xubuntu 21.04 (by Anis on 2021-04-26 06:23:18 GMT from Germany)
Thank you Xubuntu for adding the minimal install option, I will and many others will enjoy this option.
6 • Manjaro 21.0 (by Jules on 2021-04-26 06:30:09 GMT from Australia)
Hi, Installed Manjaro 21 install went well on a older gigabyte motherboard with intel CPU. All initial updates succeeded. However after installing openssh, I could not connect from a windows 7 client PC to the manjaro box. I performed the usual procedures, modified the sshd_config file to suit.I am a medium level linux user this was not a newbie problem.
Still no connection after debugging with ssh -vvv {username}@192.168.1.30,. Strangely from another linux box (a raspberry pi) to the manjaro box workd thru openssh. From a windows 7 PC to the manjaro, openssh does not work. Manjaro 20 worked fine for openssh from any client, so I am totally confused.
Manjaro 21 is good, sleek and has a few more functionalities, but this issue of openssh might force me back to manjaro 20. Regards
7 • Manjie (by Someguy on 2021-04-26 06:41:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
Nice review of Manjaro, Jessie. Confirms all my experiences of this bloated, less than 'standard' (whatever that means!) offering. Used to use KDE couple of decades ago, but it's just too clumsy for rapid daily use. No idea why this one should lie second on the PHR. Carry on advocates but not for me.
8 • Manjaro and updates. Ubuntu and Wayland (by Any on 2021-04-26 06:43:02 GMT from Spain)
I have used Manjaro for the past 5 months as my daily driver. Well, I like it but updates though not that frequent may break some things. The last update caused "kate: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libKF5TextEditor.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZN9KLineEdit16returnKeyPressedERK7QString"
I searched it and found this page. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kate-stop-working/63266
The suggested solutions did not help. That's not a big issue but when someone writes: "Try searching before posting. Your exact issue has been addressed a couple of times in the last few days." that is not helping but repelling. A much more helpful answer would have been: "Your exact issue has been addressed a couple of times in the last few days. You can see that here and there."
And this is only an editor but what happens when an update breaks the entire DE as it did occur in late December? The Plasma desktop went completely unusable and I thought that fiddling with the settings I had broken something. Eventually it got fixed after another massive update of Manjaro.
Thankfully despite not being an expert I can find my way in the Linux world but a novice could not.
A colleague of mine told me that he had installed Ubuntu but had issue with the graphics desktop. Finally he went Linux Mint. As a person who did not played previously with Linux and did not know that Ubuntu 21.04 defaults to Wayland and it is not polished to work well with nVidia and Xorg can be used , he eventually went to another distro.
9 • 'Buntus (by kaczor on 2021-04-26 09:06:04 GMT from United States)
Isn't it strange that while all the flavors had the newest DE, the default Ubuntu is still stuck with an older DE?
10 • use login and Manjaro (by James on 2021-04-26 10:07:31 GMT from United States)
Seeing I am the only user of my computer, there is not need to keep track of user logins.
While it has admittedly been a long time since I tried Manjaro, I agree with Guido, it lacked the software I needed.
11 • Topic (by Cheker on 2021-04-26 11:07:17 GMT from Portugal)
I used to be on Manjaro KDE, but it had some dumb freezing for a split instant in certain occasions, so now I'm on Xfce. I blame the Nvidia card. It's fine, it gave me a newfound appreciation for Xfce and now I'm honestly over Plasma.
Jesse, you mentioned that "Timeshift is somewhat limited in its utility on the default ext4 filesystem". Could you please elaborate on that? Cheers
12 • Timeshift (by Jesse on 2021-04-26 11:31:37 GMT from Canada)
@11: 'Jesse, you mentioned that "Timeshift is somewhat limited in its utility on the default ext4 filesystem". Could you please elaborate on that? Cheers'
Certainly. Timeshift is a backup tool which makes copies of files used by your operating system and (optionally) from your home directories to make a snapshot of your running system. The idea being that if something damages the system you can use the Timeshift copy to restore your operating system back to its original state.
When using Timeshift on Btrfs you can get native filesystem snapshots which are taken and restored instantly. They require almost no extra drive space and distros have the option of making it possible to boot into these snapshots from GRUB. It's a very powerful tool.
When you use a traditional filesystem like ext4 Timeshift can't use snapshots (they don't exist on ext4), so you need to use rsync to copy the filesystem file by file. This doubles the amount of storage space needed, the system cannot be rolled back through the boot menu, and it can take hours to create/restore backups.
13 • Timeshift (by DaveW on 2021-04-26 11:38:39 GMT from United States)
I also would like to have an explanation of "Timeshift is somewhat limited in its utility on the default ext4 filesystem". Is this the Timeshift from the Linux Mint system? If so, it must have been designed for the ext4 filesystem, as that is the default. Maybe you mean that it just cannot do some things a filesystem like Btrfs can do?
14 • Manjaro (by Otis on 2021-04-26 12:02:07 GMT from United States)
I did not read the review, as I had that distro on my main laptop since I first saw it rising on the DW PHR list.
Something happened.. and I thought it was my fault, that maybe I'd introduced too many conflicting files/apps etc into the system.
Turns out it was just getting bloated. So I cleaned my hard drive after saving a few things I wanted in a fresh OS, and installed Manjaro again from a new iso. I found that the new installation itself was bigger, "heavier" etc so I did a search here and found the one I've been on since, Artix. GhostBSD is on another machine and I've become what I call permanently happy with both.
15 • Manjaro (by Sanjay on 2021-04-26 12:23:37 GMT from India)
Manjaro, a fantastic distro, only one complain from side is sometimes its update make it unbootable ....
16 • manjaro (by ionel on 2021-04-26 12:33:45 GMT from Moldova)
for those who use manjaro but miss some packages which can only be found in AUR, can use additional repositories like chaotic https://aur.chaotic.cx/ which compiles packages from scratch from AUR, so that you don't need to do it locally...
17 • manjaro (by ionel on 2021-04-26 12:47:12 GMT from Moldova)
also, I would like to defend manjaro, and say that pacman logs everything it does in /var/log/ and when you read logs you some times see blablabla, but file.pacnew
and when you have pacnew files and compare them to older versions, you can easily see whats going on.
Other distributions do this too (.dnfnew files in fedora), but other distributions upgrade once in 6 month or whatever, but Manjaro is a rolling release, so you need yourself to be careful.
So if you are careful to read logs, and when you have conflicts to read manjaro blog, and arch news, you will never have any problem at all.
This is a distribution which you install once, when you bought your PC, and then throw it away after ~ 10 years when your PC is broken.
18 • Ubuntu 21.04 is buggy in virtualbox (by Kingneutron on 2021-04-26 13:17:56 GMT from United States)
I did the install to ZFS boot/root and wayland is buggy in virtualbox 6.1.20 even with the guest additions installed.
Switching to tty1 gives you a blank terminal, you need tty3 to login as root. Switch to tty2 and is tanks X resolution back to 800x600. Pressing the Activities button at the top left (show all open windows) there is no way out of it short of restarting the gdm3 service. All latest package upgrades are installed.
Right now it's too buggy to use.
19 • Manjaro... (by Tech in San Diego on 2021-04-26 14:06:32 GMT from United States)
As a pure Arch user for many years, I too tried Manjaro as a daily driver with limited success in my environment. I'm going to respectfully go with the DW community this time regarding Manjaro. A little heavy on the resources, not as "zippy" as it was when it first arrived several years ago and full of unwanted applications that took some doing on my part to remove without breaking some other applications that I use on a daily basis.
I've been pleasantry surprised with openSUSE Tumbleweed, although the weekly updates are "ginormous" as was quoted by the openSUSE developers on their own forum.
@7 If you truly want to get a feel for how a distribution is ranking, go to https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ranking
All the Best! Tech in San Diego
20 • On Tumbleweed (by Martin on 2021-04-26 14:52:59 GMT from Brazil)
@19 If you want, you can update from snapshot to snapshot: https://github.com/boombatower/tumbleweed-cli
Because RPM tracks shared libraries, you won't experience any issues, even when combining multiple repositories (say, packman + the standard ones, for example).
21 • Manjaro (by Tad Strange on 2021-04-26 14:58:58 GMT from Canada)
I've been using Manjaro at work for several months, without real complaint other than not being able to chromecast from my old Thinkpad W520.
Main reason I went with this is I wanted a rolling release, and I was not sure how suitable OpenSuSE Tumbleweed was for boring old daily use. Plus the huge updates were a touch off-putting.
I've put EndeavorOS on another old laptop to try, and will evaluate that. I'll put Artix on the testing list, per recommendation by an above poster (cheers).
I'm not a tinkerer - I just want a PC that I can use and maintain with a minimum of fuss once it's up and running, but which also tracks reasonably recent software, so I don't really go for "LTS" offerings, save on embedded systems
22 • Manjaro is obsolete (by Jyrki on 2021-04-26 19:34:04 GMT from Czechia)
I removed Manjaro in favour of Artix and/or BSDs everywhere.
23 • T2SDE vs Buildroot (by Justin on 2021-04-26 20:56:07 GMT from United States)
I saw T2SDE in the release announcements. Does anyone have experience with it? I just started using Buildroot and found it to be a cool way to build small Linux systems. I am wondering if I should use T2SDE instead or keep learning where I am. I had no idea how old T2SDE is, it predates Gentoo! Guess I learn something new every week.
24 • Manjabloat (by The Blob on 2021-04-26 23:16:42 GMT from India)
@19 " full of unwanted applications that took some doing on my part to remove" Manjaro does offer a minimal install, as does Ubuntu.
@21, I ran Manjaro for several years on different hardware, and had no problem with Chromecast. Maybe it's your particular unit.
25 • @18, Not so Hairy Hippo (by Buntuboy on 2021-04-27 01:07:22 GMT from United Kingdom)
"I did the install to ZFS boot/root and wayland is buggy in virtualbox 6.1.20 even with the guest additions installed."
Running fine here. Using it to send this.
26 • @24 (by Tad Strange on 2021-04-27 01:58:43 GMT from Canada)
I suspect it's the old wifi card, as 11n hardware seems to be giving me the most grief with the Chromecast. Though an equally vintage Acer has no issues (though it's not running Manjaro).
Nor have I any issues with any hardware under Windows. I'm just stubbornly not wanting to run Windows right now
I need to test with a USB dongle, as the ThinkPad is from that era where non-IBM hardware won't work (nor could I flash a patched bios that is supposed to get rid of that BS)
27 • Timeshift (by Flyingalone on 2021-04-27 02:01:24 GMT from Australia)
Thanks Jesse for the review about Manjaro and the comment about timeshift I noticed it's the one main thing in Manjaro that's really sloow, could be the ext4 filesystem will read up about Btrfs and do a fresh install on Btrfs, ( soon ) after 20 + months of good service from Manjaro and no Nvidia or flatpaks just a boring workstation it just keeps going except some apps that weren't suited/useful. and to the community here Thank you for all the other comments, good info.
28 • Xubuntu and Ubuntu MATE (by Carlos Felipe on 2021-04-27 13:10:14 GMT from Brazil)
I loved the Yaru MATE (and colors, especially orange and teal) despiete be a snap package. Is it posible Xubuntu project use Yaru theme too? I'd like to see yaru for xfce fully ported.
29 • @23 T2SDE and Buildroot (by Thomas Mueller on 2021-04-28 07:46:56 GMT from United States)
I was surprised to see the announcement of T2SDE 21.4, thought T2SDE was a less-used obscure build system. I used T2SDE many years ago with Linux Slackware 13.0, trying to build something better. I also tried Buildroot more recently but it fell flat. Buildroot says it does not build any compilers (such as gcc) and development tools for target system, which makes it not useful for my purposes. OpenWRT (openwrt.org) kept stumbling on xz package. There are other cross-)build systems such as crosstool-ng (crosstool-ng.org), ptxdist (ptxdist.org), OpenADK (openadk.org), and then there is Linux From Scratch and Cross Linux From Scratch.
30 • Manjaro (by Option 1 on 2021-04-28 09:52:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
Well I've been using Manjaro as my main OS for about a year now, and despite one Nvidia/update related hiccup it has been absolutely perfect. Not sure why people who are usually Arch users would have any cause for upset over it. Just use Arch. Manjaro is likely not for you. But for the rest of us wanting a quality and easy to use OS, it fits the bill neatly and cleanly.
31 • Manjaro since 2014 (by Luca on 2021-04-28 11:14:45 GMT from Italy)
I have been using Manjaro since 2014.
Manjaro is the distro which allowed me to permanently switch to Linux. Previously I had tried several times with different distributions, but I always ended up coming back to Windows.
The rolling release model is essential for me. With Manjaro, I always have up-to-date software in a stable environment, without the need to periodically reinstall my OS. In fact I installed Manjaro just once per computer, on some "main" computers (old personal, new personal, work) as well as several "backup" PC's.
I use some "tricks" to improve the stability of my system: - I wait at least 2-3 days before applying an update (unless it is a security update) - I use snapper with brtfs, or timeshift, so that I can roll a broken update back if needed - I avoid compiling packages from the AUR.
The last point is important, because you may need to recompile AUR packages after an update, due to changes in dependencies. Whenever possible, I prefer to install packages that are not part of the main Manjaro repository as flatpak, using KDE Discover.
Using these tricks, as I said I haven't had any major breakage in 7 years of use.
32 • @31 Arch (by Kaczor on 2021-04-28 14:11:15 GMT from United States)
Use Calam-Arch and install "pure" Arch Linux without any strings. You are your own boss.
33 • @32 (by Prole on 2021-04-29 18:31:36 GMT from Canada)
I suppose one should qualify the nature of said strings if one was to make a more compelling argument.
The time in my life where I enjoy tinkering just to get a computer to work are long in my past.
34 • Arch alternatives (by Otis on 2021-04-30 00:58:34 GMT from United States)
@31 those tricks you use are common linux parlance for those of us who love the rolling release model but do not love systemd so moved into the ecosphere that is (rather sparsely) populated by Arch based distros...
You said:
"- I wait at least 2-3 days before applying an update (unless it is a security update)" "- I use snapper with brtfs, or timeshift, so that I can roll a broken update back if needed" "- I avoid compiling packages from the AUR."
sudo pacman -Syu is my friend for sure, but the best for me in that list is the patience to wait for the often daily updates the Artix devs offer to mature; I wait two weeks before applying ANY update.. every other Wednesday (favorite day of the week all my life and I've never known why for sure). I've culled the list from time to time, shying away from certain updates until I read about it at its wiki.
Bonus: great way to learn linux.
35 • Fedora 34 (by penguinx86 on 2021-04-30 10:23:30 GMT from United States)
I'm liking Fedora 34 with Gnome 40. I think it's great that Fedora beat Ubuntu to the punch by releasing Gnome 40 as the default desktop environment this week. The new Activities screen looks more like a normal desktop than previous Gnome 3.x versions. I'm running it on my laptop right now. And unlike Ubuntu, Fedora 34 is 100% compatible with the wifi adapter in my laptop. Works great! Thank you Fedora
36 • Fedora 34 and Ubuntu (by Kaczor on 2021-04-30 18:15:10 GMT from United States)
There's nothing Ubuntu can do about it, for Gnome 40 had not reached Debian repos. It won't be there for Debian 11 and no one really knows when Debian 12 would arrive. The chances that Ubuntu might get Gnome 40 in Ubuntu 21.10 in October is really slim.
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• Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
• Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
• Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
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ROCK was a distribution build kit, or in other words, a software development toolkit for building OS solutions. You can configure your personal build of ROCK and easily build your own distribution directly from source code. Most of the ROCK Linux development was done on ix86 hardware, But ROCK Linux also supports the Alpha AXP, PowerPC, Sparc32/Sparc64 and MIPS architectures.
Status: Discontinued
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