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1 • Fedora (by wally on 2021-03-29 00:19:35 GMT from United States)
I run Fedora (Mate) along with SUSE, Debian, Ubuntu. and Win10.
Although Deb is my main sys, I like to keep abreast of how the others are going, and I rotate my logins on my non-main boxes (4) between the other distros for that purpose.
2 • Stallman's return (by Name (mandatory) on 2021-03-29 00:59:30 GMT from United States)
It should also be noted that, in addition to the anti-Stallman letter, there's a pro-Stallman letter at https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
Red hat trying to play the "good guy" here is hilarious when they've been notorious for years for strongarming other projects. They totally wanted their guys on the FSF board and are mad about that. I actually laughed out loud when I read their official release about the situation because of how thinly veiled everything was. Give me a break.
3 • Fedora/RedHat based vs others (by Otis on 2021-03-29 01:11:20 GMT from United States)
Congratulations on a Pulitzer Prize worthy write-up on that subject, and I'm not joking. Very nice read and informative enough for a second read at least (at least by me).
Lots to stand out, but this caught my attention: "Fedora has spawned more than twice as many children as Arch, but only about 13% of them are still actively maintained." When something like that happens in other areas of concern, we experience it as moving forward away from an outdated/outmoded model (version or business). I'm wondering if the (very gradual) shift to Arch and the others from the Hat is simply telling us that it was too "clunky."
Yep there are fans of the clunky who will say, "CLUNKY?! IT JUST WORKS," while we (again gradually) move to distros families that just work quicker and ..less clunky.
4 • Response to reinstating RMS (by Richard Engkraf on 2021-03-29 01:16:00 GMT from United States)
I am sure glad I run KDE & i3 on Arch, because after their response to this I would never again consider running anything based on Red Hat or Debian and will never use Gnome again either. Campiagning against freedom of speech simply cannot be tollerated. Anyone & everyone should be able to say what they think. This is censorship and, regardless of what they think they are accomplishing, it is evil. If anyone should be boycotted it is these three entities! Just say no to institutional censorship.
5 • Fedora / RHEL / CentOS (by R. Cain on 2021-03-29 01:21:01 GMT from United States)
I run CentOS 7.9.(2009).
Compared to the sorry state of the current "one-step-forward, three-steps-backwards crop (some would spell that word as "crap") of Linux distros nowadays, this is one of the most pleasant, most stable, no-surprises, NO-REGRESSIONS distros out there.
EOL is *June, 2024*.
6 • RMS said & did some messed up things (by M.Z. on 2021-03-29 02:03:33 GMT from United States)
One of the important bits of the controversy that not enough people are pointing to is this list of allegations & reasons behind ousting RMS to begin with, available here:
https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix
There are some very legitimate concerns in there, including decades of female students complaining about feeling uncomfortable around RMS & getting some creepy pressure tactics. In addition, & perhaps most damning are things like RMS claiming that child pornography should be illegal to make, but not posses. This is a particularly sick & disturbing rabbit hole, where under the RMS theory, one could only imagine that legal possession would boost some of the most terrible & exploitative behaviour in society. All of that & he really seems to hate people with down's syndrome, in a kinda creepy eugenics sort of way.
To be fair some of the things in the list are utter BS, like the grammar/gender pronoun thing. I hate made up new grammar too, & using 'they' everywhere feels awkward & stupid to me no matter who or why it is being advocated for. Regardless of that most of the concerns seem legitimate & RMS really should have cleaned up his act regarding treating ladies with respect decades ago, let alone realize how dangerous & abusive things can get between unethical adults & minors. There are some very bad & dangerous positions to be publicly pontificating on in there.
7 • Not a Fedora kind of guy... (by Tom Joad on 2021-03-29 02:32:12 GMT from Germany)
I seriously started with Linux using Breezy back in the old days. I got a copy from a kid my son knew. I think it was breezy or edgy. Anyway, I used it and have been forever in the Debian branch.
And that is the way I look at it. Linux has only a very few main branches. I think once one starts with a branch, and Debian is a big one, one tends to just stay there.
I have wandered a time or two to other branches like Slackware but never stayed. I have never loaded anything Fedora or Red Hat...ever.
Lastly, one of the reasons I stayed with the Debian branch is the amazingly broad spectrum of software. I like that a lot!
8 • @6 RMS positions (by Man D. Tory on 2021-03-29 02:49:16 GMT from United States)
I know plenty of people who believe terrible things. I disagree with them. Do I attack them and try to ruin their lives? No. That would be petty. In fact, I don't really care about it at all as long as they do their jobs. People have different opinions, and some of them are even distasteful. I don't understand why this is any different.
9 • RMS (by Barry on 2021-03-29 03:11:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
The freedom of speech thing is an interesting debate.
As #8 mentioned " as long as the person does their job" and basicly that there are many people you are going to work with those opinions you might find distasteful.
I think the counter argument is who asked him what he thought? I'm just because you have an opinion, should you use your position whatever it may be to make make-up political outbursts? I personally think not.
For example, if I own the bar I would not distribute political leaflets. While if anybody asked me I could discuss things if I am using my position to say things and people find that distasteful I should pay the consequences. Whether you think he is being silenced or not the guy is clearly very stupid.
10 • IBM's letter (by Andy Prough on 2021-03-29 03:16:09 GMT from United States)
IBM's letter is funny on several levels.
a) continuing to call themselves RedHat as if they are still a separate company even though they've been 100% owned and controlled by IBM since 2019
b) claiming they'll stop giving money, when they were probably only giving a tiny tiny tiny fraction back of the billions they've made because of Stallman's code and license contributions since the 80s. Without GNU and the GPL there would be no RedHat to begin with
c) Suddenly having a problem with Stallman's weird political rantings in 2021, decades after he started blogging them publicly on a daily basis. During which time RedHat and IBM were happily making the aforementioned billions selling GNU binaries and GPL'd code, and never had a single disparaging word to say about RMS's rants
d) RedHat (now IBM) always loudly proclaims they contribute millions of lines of code to every project in existence. Do they even realize that the FSF doesn't host any code, and so their contributions are the same zero lines as everyone else's? Maybe they should stop copying and pasting from old press releases.
11 • RMS (by William Bean on 2021-03-29 03:27:06 GMT from United States)
RMS is a rude, self-aggrandizing, and, now I learn, perverted jerk who tried to write an OS but utterly failed because he couldn't write the part that mattered, the kernel. He left lying around a few disconnected utilities which Linus Torvalds could use with the OS he was developing. (Saving him having to write them himself.)
When Linux became enormously popular, because it ran and ran stably and safely, RMS tried to steal the spotlight and persuade people to call the successful Linux OS, the GNU/Linux OS - what a joke. Thankfully only the folks at Debian failed to catch the joke and took it seriously.
Thank you RMS for a joke to prompt sunny spirits (and hats off to Mark Twain).
12 • RE:11 • RMS (by William Bean (by TuxRaider on 2021-03-29 04:16:15 GMT from United States)
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13 • aVoid (by whoKnows on 2021-03-29 05:15:00 GMT from Switzerland)
Reminds me of latest Fedora 34 Xfce.
Some will never stop insulting us.
https://ibb.co/SNKPV9V
https://ibb.co/dGfpX79
What's the point?
14 • Void Review (by frc-kde on 2021-03-29 05:30:53 GMT from Brazil)
«The Void website also warns us not to use on-line package sources when setting up a desktop environment, though not the reason behind this advice»
If you want to install Void with one of the offered desktop environments, ─ LXDE, LXQt, MATE, Xfce, Cinnamon, Enlightment, ─ you must download the corresponding ISO image, and choose the packages that come with it.
It is to say: ─ "not to use on-line package sources". ─ You will comfortably get the full DE installation from your chosen ISO.
«To install the packages for the desktop environment, DON'T choose 'install from network' choose the 'local install' option»
Instead, I wanted to use KDE, and there were no KDE-ISO, back in 2020. ─ So, I have downloaded "void-live-x86_64-20191109.iso" (411 MiB), +/-7 months old back then, and the option to download packages from the official repository while installing was an advantage to me, as it avoided the need to update everything, right after installing Void Linux, ─ but it only offered the “basic system”, which was what I wanted.
Installing a custom and clean KDE, with just what I wanted, has been very easy, following the official documentation.
No problem to boot in UEFI mode, just by following the official manual.
No sound here, too, after installing from my no-DE ISO + manually installed KDE. So, I have runned alsamixer in order to enable the channels that I needed for Chromium and VLC. ─ No KDE panel integration, yet.
PulseAudio has not been automaticly installed. ─ I had already tried PulseAudio, too, one year before, and got no result to KDE panel, so now I didn't try again.
I don't use to change volume levels in daily use. ─ Well, it is not a great goal, but if I needed more, I could have tried more.
As said before, 2020 has been my second experience with Void Linux (just because I have assembled a new PC). So, xbps was not new to me, and I feel fine with it.
If you want more details on my experience, I have saved some notes here ─ with a "Translate button" at the top of right column, for desktop screens:
https://byteria.blogspot.com/2020/07/void-linux-kde-plasma.html
15 • Active Harm from RMS (by M.Z. on 2021-03-29 05:35:49 GMT from United States)
@8 - " ...Do I attack them and try to ruin their lives?"
Lets not skip over large swaths of the point. I never said anyone should be the thought police, but the apparent decades of harassing people was very much in the mix of serious issues. If the stories about ladies strategizing on how to get him to back down & writing a report sized complaint to MIT in the 1980s are true, then he was doing something that could have & likely did ruin a lot of potential carriers/lives. Is someone in power wreaking the potential of others not ruining lives?
16 • RMS (by kksheth on 2021-03-29 06:14:57 GMT from India)
I am using fedora since 2004. Shifted to mate after gnome-3.
I support RMS.
What has RMS done. RMS tried to defend a defamation of a dead friend. (Dead for quite some time). looking to age difference it may be a tutor to him.
Haters took opportunity to oust him by using a student.
Ever heard of Bhisam and shikhndi. (refer mahabharat)
Hate campaign against RMS is loss to linux
17 • RMS blah blah (by Dr. Dave on 2021-03-29 06:38:27 GMT from United States)
This is one of the big problems with western society, today. Disingenuous, cannibalistic leftists, frothing at the mouth, attempting to eat everyone alive, including eachother, over non-issues. Only in our 1st world countries are priorities so misaligned that hordes of bored lunatics can be herded by a digital hivemind, in to putting 90+% of their energy toward the regurgitation of rehearsed grievances; feigning outrage over manufactured problems which they don't honestly care about. The biggest corporations and universities compete over who can transmit the most social signals and anyone who does not conform is publicly immolated.
I have my suspicions about RMS (and really any 'public figure') to begin with, but let's assume that he's not just a character in a scripted show, being used to inspire some and piss off others. At least he appears to be more like a conventional liberal and not some phony baloney, authoritarian parrot, like most so-called 'liberals' today. RMS is jewish, but unlike the anxious mass of fake liberals and fake conservatives today, I bet he would defend a person's right to express so-called 'antisemitic' opinions.
This smells similar to the media campaigning to get people to subscribe to prepared opinions about something Bill Cosby may or may not have done 40 years ago. Do you really care, or are you just responding to programming put in front of you? Instructed to choose one of two opinions, on something that has no affect on your life. People need to think for themselves and stop being led around like a bunch of cattle. Calling people 'sheep' might be cliche but it's an appropriate comparison most of the time.
18 • RMS (by lupus on 2021-03-29 07:15:13 GMT from Germany)
Beeing very aggravated by the cancel culture of our times and the thought of being forced to use made up pronouns for people that might only have a special mental condition (gender dysphoria) one seems to have to defend RMS against this smear tactics that are designed to discredit even our most valuable assets. As a strong supporter for free and open source Software one feels compelled to support RMS although he seems to detest the mixing of 'free' and 'open source' as totally different entities.
On the other Hand and maybe it's a good thing that I do not have a say in this, RMS is a self righteous, obnoxious Charakter that has some merits that lie way in the past, but is one of the most disagreeable persons on this planet. Some of his statements aren't well thought through and if he had the guts to straighten them out in advance of becoming a member on the FSF Board again I wouldn't feel the need to write this dribble. As it is now I think RMS is not an asset to the FSF but a burden. They should have come clean and told him to review some of his statements before letting him crawl back. So the FSF looks absolutely spineless and I doubt that they could have a good influence on the Free and open source movement. It's a shame!
19 • @6 false accusations against RMS (by Orlando on 2021-03-29 07:19:21 GMT from Austria)
Many of the accusations against RMS are either exaggerated or downright false. (Never mind the "some people might allegedly may have probably imagined" stuff...) See https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/ , and you'll realize half of it is bullsh!t, or irrelevant when it comes to RMS's work.
20 • RMS (by G.O. on 2021-03-29 07:15:56 GMT from Spain)
"‘If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.’"
George Orwell
21 • The World Today (by Mark B on 2021-03-29 07:31:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
@17
I strongly agree with Dr Dave's assessment of the world at present. It seems that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
As for Fedora, I have never seen the point of it. It has such a short shelf life that it makes zero sense to use it for a server, for example. I think CentOS was a better idea for that role but since the debacle around Stream many will look elsewhere. I did like Vortexbox, which is based on Fedora but the project seems to have gone quiet.
22 • Void Linux Feature Story (by nanome on 2021-03-29 08:00:52 GMT from United Kingdom)
As I use Void Linux every day, there are parts of Jesse's Feature Story that are confusing.
"Booting from the Void media brings up a graphical login screen." Is confusing: if by "live media" he means booting one of the ISO images, then the user is left already logged-in to the selected desktop; no explicit login [or password] is needed. On the other hand, running the installer DOES require root login from a terminal emulator.
Sound is irritingly NOT setup from the start; however, as my main computer is for "serious" work, I prefer a quiet environment.
"XBPS is not set up with any remote package repositories when running on the live media". Not sure what this means. I often boot Void from a USB drive with a live ISO, and can add XBPS packages as needed with xbps-install; this also requires a root login.
Void Linux installation is no more complicated than [say] Devuan/Debian, and with about 11K packages available, it behaves like a general-purpose distro.
23 • Fedora and Fuduntu (by Hoos on 2021-03-29 08:36:42 GMT from Singapore)
Jesse said "...perhaps the most obvious, is that people don't make full, independent projects based on Fedora because people who like working with Fedora create spins or labs which are incorporated in the Fedora infrastructure".
Perhaps it's true for some distros, but your generalised statement isn't true of Fuduntu. It may have started being Fedora-based, but it was not fully a spin "incorporated within the Fedora infrastructure". And it soon evolved into its own independent thing, an rpm-package-based, full rolling distro.
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• RMS et al (by Kurt_Aust on 2021-03-29 08:47:43 GMT from Australia)
This reminds me of the (unfortunately successful) campaign to remove Brendan Eich as CEO of Mozilla because he (personally, not in his official capacity) opposed gay marriage.
Of course the Firefox browser could still be used by LGBT people and (horrors) could even connect to the Grinder gay dating website.
Interesting isn't it that many of those who demanded his resignation continued to use JavaScript programming language that he developed ...
25 • Red Hat, Cent OS (by Hank on 2021-03-29 08:49:23 GMT from Germany)
Heavy on memory, Short support, full of poetterings madness. Lumbering fat Gnome is the most awful desktop experience I ever had.
Tried it and left in a hurry, presumably forever.
26 • Fedora and others (by Any on 2021-03-29 08:55:48 GMT from Spain)
My first direct contact with Linux was in 2000 when I tried Zipslack from a CD which came with a magazine. I did not know what to do, so I called a friend of mine and he sad to me "Type mc, root is the administrator..." . Not interesting for a DOS,Win95,Win98 guy. So I quit :) Then a couple of years later another distro came with a CD - PeanutLinux and I somewhat liked it. Then I decided to give Linux a try and started trying what I could find. When I got RedHat 9 CD's I tried it and I liked the KDE-ish style of Gnome2, called Bluecurve, that it had. But then suddenly Red Hat announced the birth of Fedora. From the very beginning I did not like the name. Not to mention the idea and that move. So I continued distrohopping. Then came Mark Shuttleworth... And the distrohopping continued. In 2004 I tried Arch too. How tough was it to install... Installing FreeBSD or Slackware was a breeze compared to Arch. So I never gave Arch a serious try and Slackware converted to my favourite distro. Thanks to Ubuntu and Debian trying and testing things in virtual machines on today's hardware is very easy and fast. Nothing beats UbuntuMini's installer on matter of flexibility and speed of installing and configuring a virtual machine. Pity they try to deprecate it :(
So right now I am writing this on Manjaro installed on early December 2020. So far so good. Maybe a step to Arch :)
Eagerly waiting for Slackware 15 though :)
RMS - did the man commit a crime?
27 • why Fedora? (by Hayley Atwell on 2021-03-29 09:15:48 GMT from United States)
Because you're tired of the back and forth between JACK and Pulseaudio and want a modern, professional audio system -- enter Pipewire. Fedora will get to Pipewire faster than any other distro, whether it makes the cut for Fedora 34 or not. And that has implications for normal, day-to-day use, beyond future rock stars recording their masterwork on Linux.
It's a shame the Korora project shut down, 'cause it made Fedora much more approachable.
28 • Void Linux Feature Story [correction] (by nanome on 2021-03-29 09:56:54 GMT from United Kingdom)
@22: I forgot that XBPS needs to be updated with "xbps-install -Su xbps" before it will work, sorry I missed that. After that, it has access to any of the packages in the default [only] repository.
29 • RMS (by Kaczor on 2021-03-29 11:24:37 GMT from Czechia)
Without RMS, neither Redhat, Debian or even this web site would here today, don't forget that!
30 • RMS tear down (by Joe Random Hash on 2021-03-29 11:40:13 GMT from United States)
The part many people miss is that tearing down people (even those long dead who have roads, schools, or parks named after them) is frequently about the attackers getting one of their group installed to replace them.
If only we could be sure that IBM/Red Hat would not install someone to placate the attackers or get more influence for the Poettering take over.
31 • Fedora (by bananabob on 2021-03-29 11:51:47 GMT from United States)
I was a die hard fan of Linux Mint for 3 reasons. First, Linux Mint offers alternative desktop environments besides Gnome 3. Second,, it includes non-free software like flash player out of the box. Third, it offers wifi and video drivers out of the box, not included in other distros. I avoided Fedora 33 for these reasons.
But now,, I'm giving Fedora 34 beta a try. It includes an alternative to Gnome 3. Flash player is end of life and no longer needed. And, unlike Fedora 33, 34 is compatible with the wifi adapter in my laptop. I've been running it for 3 days now, and like it so far.
I tried a 30 day free trial of Red Hat. It was ok, but I didn't really need all the enterprise security features on a home laptop. I didn't think it was worth paying the for $175 annual subscription fee to continue using Red Hat. Then, CentOS was discontinued. So now I'm giving the new and improved Fedora a try.
32 • Q&A - One of the Best !! (by Ti-Paul on 2021-03-29 13:24:21 GMT from Canada)
One of the best Q&A i read for a while!
I'm on Linux since 1997 and the history of Redhat/Fedora is pretty accurate. Your statements are in-line with what i saw...
I consider myself a distro hopper since 24 years because i love to try new stuff.
Since 2-3 years, i stabilized onto Ubuntu derivative Linux Mint and Manjaro/Antergos (Arch) when installing to my harddrive.
Now i'm mostly using a Ventoy formatted USB thumbdrive where i copy all new distro that i want to try in LIVE mode... sometimes i try Fedora or its spins but they never catch my attention like they do back in the earlies 2000's...
33 • Void Linux ~ Easy setup (by Ghost 67 on 2021-03-29 13:31:29 GMT from United Kingdom)
I've been using Void XFCE since before Christmas and after perusing their wiki and asking around I've streamlined my post-install routine thus:
1) In a terminal as su:
xbps-install -Su (updates the system)
xbps-install octoxbps (for the GUI package manager)
2) Then, in Octoxbps search and install:
void-repo-nonfree
void-repo-multilib
void-repo-multilib-nonfree
(refresh the repos)
3) Still in Octoxbps install:
pavucontrol
xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
(manually add pulseaudio plugin to the xfce panel in the usual way)
4) Then install the following if you need Nvidia and Steam:
steam
libgcc-32bit
libstdc++-32bit
libdrm-32bit
libglvnd-32bit
nvidia
nvidia-libs-32bit
(REBOOT)
All done! Rock'n'roll on your new Void install :)
34 • RMS (by ionel on 2021-03-29 14:04:55 GMT from Moldova)
RMS
When FSF was started by RMS, there was UNIX, which was very expensive, more than 10k $ for a license.
And there was BSD, which was just a bunch of patches on top of UNIX, which were emailed to you.
And if you didn't have a UNIX copy, BSD patches were useless.
With UNIX kernel, you got a C compiler, a shell, a bunch of programs.
With bsd you got "vi" and a small set of programs, and a bunch of patches which made Unix kernel working better (virtual memory, bsd sockets)
so when RMS started GNU -> he had nothing
so FSF did:
1) a free compiler GCC
2) a free standard library glibc
3) a free shell bash
4) wrote all unix utilities versions
5) wrote all bsd utilities versions
and made a few mistakes when tried to do a revolutionary UNIX kernel design (microkernel)
till nowadays microkernels are interesting, but not mainstream.
GNU (and IBM too) wasted huge amount of time on fighting windmills
while the last piece -> linux was provided.
so thats how GNU + linux started.
and all open source initiative.
p.s:
so FSF founder RMS is :
0) involved into open source projects
1) teacher (or working at university)
2) open source blogger
3) political blogger
AND AFAIU he is :
0) a good open source software developer
1) a teacher which treated female students badly
2) a rather radical open source blogger, which wrote a bunch of articles with interesting point of view about internet, software etc.
3) has a separate political blog, in which for 30 years published some stuff, and nobody in 30 years gave a f*** about what he wrote there.
but one day someone decided that he had to go... and suddenly all the things he wrote in a political blog mattered
IMHO it is typical capitalist interests in FSF board membership... (look at big evil red for clues)
35 • Fedora (by David on 2021-03-29 15:41:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
The poll might have been more interesting if it had listed the option of "used to use it but stopped". I started on Red Hat and moved to Fedora when it separated. Over the years I began to feel like a hamster in a wheel keeping up with the changes and the arrival of Gnome 3 was the last straw — and too many things in Fedora depended on the presence of Gnome — so I switched to CentOS. When CentOS as we know it vanished, I moved to PCLinuxOS: it might be rolling release, but things aren't released until they actually work.
36 • RMS (by dragonmouth on 2021-03-29 15:55:51 GMT from United States)
Is IBM/Red Hat trying to "cancel" Stallman?
There are opinions we agree with and opinions we disagree with. In an enlightened society, ALL opinions are tolerated. In a "woke", oppressive society a self-appointed, self-important Thought Police dictate what will or will not be heard.
When all are thinking alike, then nobody is thinking.
Gen George S. Patton
37 • @6 M.Z.: (by dragonmouth on 2021-03-29 16:05:53 GMT from United States)
"Making females uncomfortable" and "using creepy tactics" are not illegal or criminal, or, for that matter, actionable in any way.
So RMS has ideas/viewpoint/opinions that we disagree with. On what stone is it graven that we all must think the same?
38 • @Richard Engkraf + @William Bean (by Mighty Mouse on 2021-03-29 16:06:06 GMT from Switzerland)
@Richard Engkraf
I hope you've seen that some people from Arch signed against RMS! So, some Archers are on the same line as Debian and RedHat folks. Arch made unfortunately a sad development from a distribution for Linux-enthusiasts and those who want to understand what works how to a hipster distribution à la "Look, I've installed Arch on my laptop. Now, I am a Linux hacker and expert."
@William Bean
>>> " a few disconnected utilities"
Then I suggest you remove right away from your system gcc, bison, bash, grub, make, fdisk among several other programs. If it even then does not come into your mind why it is called GNU Linux and not simply Linux (and that RMS did not intend to take over Linux, on whatever pseudofacts your ridiculous accusation is based on), then I suggest you stop commenting on behalf of this matter on any serious forum which does want to follow your admired "cancel culture".
39 • FSF Board (by R Hoagland on 2021-03-29 16:08:36 GMT from United States)
Regardless of your stance on RMS, the newly chartered FSF board governance was a long time coming, which should have been implemented when RMS initially stepped down--if not sooner.
40 • About RMS controversy, and Fedora 34 (by Jeffersonian on 2021-03-29 16:29:43 GMT from France)
Hello:
RMS and Linus Torvalds have really started the FOSS (Free Open Source) saga, they contribution technical and leadership in "Open Source patriotism" must be recognized.
They jump started it, RMS with eMacs, the C compiler (and much more) and Linux, with this "small OS kernel" ...
Now like in any endeavor, the work and the person must be separated.
To both of them, and the multitude of FOSS contributors, just a big "Job well done , thank you !".
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On Fedora 34 MATE along with RPMFUSION related support : the install was seamless, almost everything works well excepted:
1) An issue with Bluetooth speaker, fixed quickly (found the solution on line).
2) Skype rpm (No Fedora fault) also fixed quickly.
Fedora is stable, robust, reliable : one of the best Linux Disros for every day use Desktop, in my view.
Fedora 34 seems to have the same "high usability" quality that Red Hat had for a very long time !
What would make it even better:
The Install is a bit clumsy, (especially custom install) and NVIDIA when needed is hellishly difficult to install (Unlike Mint Linux where this is a lot easier).
Go for it, it Fedora 34 MATE (spin) is good stuff !
Jeffersonian
41 • Should IBM get involved in the FSF ? (by Jeffersonian on 2021-03-29 16:56:58 GMT from France)
"Red Hat has made perhaps the strongest statement against Stallman's return, stating in a blog post: Red Hat is a long-time donor and contributor to projects stewarded by the Free Software Foundation (FSF), with hundreds of contributors and millions of lines of code contributed. Considering the circumstances of Richard Stallman's original resignation in 2019, Red Hat was appalled to learn that he had rejoined the FSF board of directors. As a result, we are immediately suspending all Red Hat funding of the FSF and any FSF-hosted events. In addition, many Red Hat contributors have told us they no longer plan to participate in FSF-led or backed events, and we stand behind them."
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Comment: Red Hat, is now IBM, a very large for profit corporation, and to get involved in the politics of the FSF, (Free Software Fundation) which is "non profit" raises ethical questions, especially when they target one single person, here RMS (Stallman). The Open Source movement was started, exactly for this: regaining freedom from mercantile corporate interest.
If it is fine for IBM corporation to express opinions, without libel or defamation, about anyone, what seems to be blackmailing of the FSF does not sound right. I would say the same regardless of the issue, if a gun manufacturer company was trying to influence the NRA by funding or defunding it.
If RMS had been found guilty in a fair trial, this would be different, only slightly.
Without being naive, let's defend the relative freedom of the FSF from undue corporate interests.
Is it a fair question to ask:
"Does IBM corporate try to dismiss RMS because of his staunch stance on the "purity of the GPL" (Gnu Public License) which preserve Open Source Software from undue corporate influence ?"
Jeffersonian
42 • RMS (by vern on 2021-03-29 17:05:57 GMT from United States)
RMS is disrespectful to women, Linus Torvalds is disrespectful to everybody.
I like this quote:
"When all are thinking alike, then nobody is thinking.
Gen George S. Patton "
I find now that all our past Presidents , leaders, founders, were all racist.
Political correctness is a disease.
43 • RMS and the FSF (by vw72 on 2021-03-29 17:08:42 GMT from United States)
The debate over RMS returning to the FSF misses the point. There is no doubting that he can be divisive and his opinions on things often unrelated to FSF are quite controversial. None of that is in question.
What should be the discussion is whether or not having a controversial person as RMS on the board of the FSF enhances their mission or not?
My personal opinion is that the attention that the FSF is receiving because of RMS distracts them from their mission. Given the current environment we live in, it is hard to see how RMS's presence on the Board can be beneficial. He is entitled to his opinions, as is everybody. But like everybody else, he is entitled to suffer the consequences of making those opinions public.
The FSF is an organization and if they believe that RMS being on the Board is in the best interest of their organization, so be it. But just like many are arguing in favor of RMS' right to express his opinions, so do those who disagree with his opinions and the actions the FSF have taken. Free speech works both ways.
44 • @27 Fedora w/ Pipewire (by Dr. Dave on 2021-03-29 17:29:07 GMT from United States)
An interesting enough point on the surface, however I don't see why it matters who is first to implement Pipewire. First of all, Pipewire is still considerably buggy, so if they implement it now, it's just going to frustrate hopeful users. And while it's a 'sound' idea hyuk hyuk-- there is no guarantee that it will become the universal sound solution.
If it does work out that way and Fedora beats everyone to the finish line, how narrow will the difference be between Fedora's 'First Place' position and everyone else? A day earlier? A week, or a month? Don't forget that Fedora has been 'First' to implement a lot of things, many of them half-baked, but that hasn't helped them to win any popularity contests.
Fedora was first to implement PolypAudio and a relatively short time later, it was crammed down everyone else's throats. Does everyone use Fedora today because its implementation of Pulse is somehow better because it's older? Is Fedora today's go-to 'Pro Audio' distro? Not by a longshot. So this idea that being first to implement Pipewire will be a good reason to use Fedora is more of a Pipedream than a reality.
45 • Decision makers and theur ways (by IBM dictator on 2021-03-29 18:11:39 GMT from Greece)
RMS makes rational statements to support his opinions and arguments, and it is this tendency that founded FSF and GNU based on democratic ideals.
IBM, as all corporations, are dictatorial in nature, and use power (wealth and other means) to enforce their decisions on others. It is clear how they try to get their way here as well, which is very natural, expected, to be a dictatorial approach to decision making. FSF and dictatorships can not blend or be unified. People and corporations can not coexist as equals. Either one or the other will win.
Since I am pro-human and anti-dictatorship, whether I like RMS or not is secondary, I must support him against "it", a faceless dictatorship with only object its high profits.
Closet fascists, anti-human monsters, who hide behind their corporate-fan-boy mask should just be honest and come out and say "we are happy when humans lose and dictatorial organizations with only goal profits win". Which sadly is the case for linux, open/free software .... humans lost corporations won. Or isn't the war final yet, and some are still hopeful to coexist.
A handful of multinational corporations, control now the Linux foundations board, they have crawled all over FSF, and most likely have totally undermined the goals of GNU for their own oligopoly.
At some point we may have to accept game over and start from scratch with stronger ideals, values, and principles, where there will be not a square millimeter space and tolerance for corporate involvement. This means open/free/non-corporate hardware, compilers, kernels, etc.
46 • Void + KDE (correction) (by frc-kde on 2021-03-29 18:52:58 GMT from Brazil)
Correction to @14:
Please, ignore this:
«No problem to boot in UEFI mode, just by following the official manual»
I didn't install UEFI bootloader to Void. ─ Just updated grub.cfg in order to be read by openSUSE's Grub, which is my main Boot Menu.
47 • Fedora (by Arijit on 2021-03-29 19:19:54 GMT from United States)
I started my Linux journey with Fedora Core, then switched back to Windows fo many years. But once I again came back to Linux, I have become a Fedora guy.
I believe your point #2 (middle ground) is Fedora's strength for people like me. I want a fast-moving distro with latest version of packages, yet it shouldn't break. I am using Fedora in my two laptops, and honestly, it broke only 3 times in last couple years. But it's for my mistake only. I use in-place upgrade rather than re-install (yes, I still use ext4 as file system). Nothing ever happened.
48 • Fedora and the RMS / FSF controversy (by Scott Dowdle on 2021-03-29 21:41:41 GMT from United States)
First off, stop arguing about the FSF and RMS. This split-the-community subject couldn't have been made any more destructive by our worst enemies (whoever that might be) even if they had tried. Just let them sort it out and give them time to do so. I too have an opinion on it, and it is nuanced... but I'm not going to forcefully discuss it with others online... especially if there isn't even a perceived benefit.
Regarding Fedora remixes... I can tell you there are a lot of them out there in the wild but they aren't necessarily promoted by folks... and are largely used internally. I have my own... and have been remixing Fedora since around F7 (or was it FC7?). They make it fairly easy to do with their livecd-tools package. I'm a member of the Fedora Repin SIG which makes refreshed media twice a month... but unfortunately it isn't (yet) promoted on the main Fedora website but via IRC and Planet Fedora. It might also be useful to ask why aren't there a whole lot of SLES clones or OpenSUSE clones. There are some, but comparatively less. I don't think the factors mentioned in the fine article come into play with regards to SUSE. I do think the number of spins and lab mixes of Fedora that are provided by the Fedora Project... and the ease of self-respin/mixing means many users can easily alter Fedora to meet their needs. For stuff Fedora can't ship, rpmfusion and flatpak are both well established and one doesn't really need a derivative distro just to add on a few packages or change some defaults.
Anyhoo... Fedora is easily upgradable so in my opinion, there isn't that big of a distinction between a "rolling release" distro and one that is easy to upgrade from one release to the next especially given the 6-month release cycle and 13-month support cycle.
So far as saying Red Hat is greedy... please remember that a significant chunk of the widely adopted technology that has appeared in Linux distros was primarily sponsored (directly or indirectly) by Red Hat and most all distributions and users benefit from their work. Sure, you run Debian or Ubuntu or Arch... but so much of what you run came from Red Hat. So far as IBM completely ruling Red Hat goes... that simply isn't true. The former Red Hat CEO became the President of IBM, not the other way around... and Red Hat is still run as an independent entity... believe-it-or-not.
49 • Fedora based dstros (by pengxuin on 2021-03-29 22:44:10 GMT from New Zealand)
No, I do not use one.
regarding the relative number of offspring, .deb vs .rpm.
is a derivative of Ubuntu with new wall paper and theme a real distro?
Generally, those out in the wild .rpm distros are complete;
they have their own kernel team, their own repos and generally (with caveats), a .rpm will work between .rpm distros.
very few debian / ubuntu derivatives have their own set of repos, some have none.
as an aside, the names of some packages should reflect real world applications.
one would not expect 2 different applications to have the same name, eg: xviewer
one is a Mint created application, the other a windows application, and I suspect that a new to Linux user whom is familiar with the windows version would be...disappointed.
50 • Other Fedora/Red Hat Distros (by bananabob on 2021-03-29 22:47:16 GMT from United States)
I tried Stella, a CentOS based distro from Romania. It worked ok, but I wasn't sure about getting long term updates with a non mainstream distro like that. I tried this one as an alternative to Fedora, because it used Gnome 2 instead of Gnome 3.
The same with Hanthana Linux, a Fedora based distro from Sri Lanka. I liked the look and feel of it. But again, I wasn't sure about long term updates. Also, the Hanthana server was kind of slow and it was difficult to download the ISO file. I also like the fact that Hanthana offered LXDE instead of Gnome 3.
51 • void (by thym on 2021-03-30 00:10:44 GMT from Greece)
I tested Void about six months and was so impressed that i ve installed it, as my main system in all my boxes: a fairly new desktop computer, a tiny 8 years old netbook and an eleven years old laptop. For laptop & netbook, i opted for xfce4. For desktop, i used a nightly plasma build from https://www.voidbuilds.xyz/
Runit and xbps are very fast and relatively easy to understand.
In all the boxes, system seems fast, responsive and also very stable. Maintenance is easy and does not require much time.
A final note regarding kernels - imo, another one of Void's pros.
When a newer kernel is installed, grub is updated automatically and older kernels are not deleted. Anytime later, if the user decides to delete an older kernel (or some older kernels), there is a specific script (vkpurge) for that purpose.
52 • RMS (by Jeb on 2021-03-30 00:25:20 GMT from Australia)
RMS is a strange man, but strange people are still allowed to work. Especially for groups that they themselves started.
also I love Void, its unbelievably fast. it's the OS arch is pretending to be.
53 • RMS Stuff (by M.Z. on 2021-03-30 00:32:08 GMT from United States)
@37 - "..."Making females uncomfortable" and "using creepy tactics" are not illegal or criminal, or, for that matter, actionable in any way."
Really? Where have you been:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment#United_States
I won't claim to know what really happened, but if indeed there are a long chain of complaints as has been claimed, that seems to be credible evidence of wrong doing & abuse of power. Professors can't go around pressuring their students or underlings & it's been that way for decades. It's also caught up people of all different sorts, from Roy Moore & Sen. Al Frakin, to Trump & Gov. Cuomo. Laws about this have been created for a reason & everyone on all sides of a claim deserve an honest investigation & a justice outcome. On occasion that means some fringe lady deserves to have the book thrown at her, but what I understand to be the more statistically likely outcome is that a person in power has to go. Everyone deserves better than some animal farm garbage where some are more equal than others.
If someone has evidence that RMS has been exonerated in a court of law, that is a very valid argument against listening to the critics. I have yet to see it.
On the other had, if you go through some of the claims against him & ask yourself: "If this is true, would I want this guy in a position of power over any woman I care about?", I kinda doubt RMS supports can honestly defend him.
Ideally we'd see some suit or other legal proceeding that had a fair investigation & either got rid of RMS from any position of power or eliminated all credible allegations. In the meantime we have a lot of aggrieved fanboys who care more about their political axes than justice, so I doubt this thread is going anywhere productive or honest.
54 • @53 (by Andy Prough on 2021-03-30 01:12:46 GMT from Switzerland)
> "If someone has evidence that RMS has been exonerated in a court of law, that is a very valid argument against listening to the critics. I have yet to see it."
Justice has a presumption of innocence. What you are talking about, requiring that someone "exonerate" themselves in court before you feel they are worthy of retaining their job or position, is a presumption of guilt. You certainly wouldn't want that standard applied to yourself, where you had to run to court and clear your name anytime someone said something about you in order to keep your job. So you shouldn't apply it to others.
55 • RMS Conspiracy Theory (by Mark on 2021-03-30 03:46:28 GMT from Canada)
The dark-shadow puppet-masters are pulling the strings on this whole thing.
Their goal : Take over or kill the FSF.
Their method : Find an excuse to de-fund & destabilize the FSF. When they are on their knees, offer to reinstate funding & support if they re-structure entirely to the instructions of said “saviour”.
Their tool : Lure RMS back into the FSF with promises of forgiveness, remuneration, etc. Convince the FSF Board this is a good idea. Wait for the sh*t-storm to plaster everything.
The Result : Things are going by the playbook so far . . .
56 • Plan9 (by x on 2021-03-30 04:26:02 GMT from United States)
Glad to see Plan9 finally relicensed to something more reasonable. I would have preferred an ISC or BSD style license, however, this is a much better option than any of the former licenses.
Plan9 is an interesting approach to computing could have made an impact if ownership had furthered it's development or released it with a useable license.
Hopefully, it will receive more attention.
Will it be added to Distrowatch? I believe it should.
57 • FEDORA, RPM, or not? (by Greg Zeng on 2021-03-30 06:18:11 GMT from Australia)
Red Hat uses a version of package manager that seems the same type for all packages. However the application coders have very great trouble preparing compiled versions of RPM BINARIES. Application coders using RPM have very great trouble with their compilations for the many types of RPM
Debian has better handling of its package manager, so is preferred by application coders: Crossover, Flashpeak Slimjet, etc.
All Linux operating systems are hostile to compiled applications, which must conform to an error correcting "Package Manager" for the compiled code. Perhaps either Snap (Ubuntu-stimulated) or Flatpak might evolve further enough to replace appimage?
Sandboxing applications away from disorderly operating systems seem to be needed.
There are various other sandboxes fo user applications. Meantime both Windows & Apple are favored by the application creators, instead of the anarchy of the Linux public-usable operating systems.
Ongoing discussion on package management continues:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/866511/what-are-the-differences-between-snaps-appimage-flatpak-and-others
The RPM, DEB, etc remain the biggest barrier to application creators. The instructions about: "Zoom for Windows, Chrome, Firefox, Linux, and Android 5.6.1" show how troublesome Linux is.
58 • RMS (by Simon on 2021-03-30 10:57:31 GMT from New Zealand)
Great to see so much support for RMS among these comments. Amazing that such a flagrantly overblown witch hunt has gained enough momentum to be taken so seriously and to suck so many people in. I've read through the list of his alleged sins and it's one of the most pathetic things I've ever read: thoroughly ordinary (though occasionally unpleasant) and in some cases even perfectly reasonable (or even admirable, in the case of his courageous defence of rationality in the face of vindictive lynch mobs) actions being presented as monstrous and somehow invalidating his history-shaping leadership of software freedom. The people howling for his blood are doing so on software that exists thanks to his GPL, built with software he wrote, making money off industries that only exist thanks to the movement he founded and champions...and they have the arrogance to position themselves as his moral superiors because they lack the courage to speak truth to power as recklessly as he does? What a pack of simpering cowards. One more nail in the coffin of any respect I had for Red Hat. They've been subverting Linux for years, making it more Windows-like in an effort to disempower users and make them more dependent on Red Hat products...and now they're openly using their money to block the influence of free software's staunchest advocate? Wow.
59 • Fedora (by Roger on 2021-03-30 12:25:34 GMT from United States)
The subject is Fedora which I've used since it was a glimmer in Red Hat's eye. Screw RMS. Get a haircut!
60 • RMS... (by Vukota on 2021-03-30 13:37:11 GMT from Serbia)
Linus was also accused in the past of "making females uncomfortable" and "using creepy tactics", and I haven't seen IBM or Red Hat, or anyone accusing RMS today, ditching use of Linux kernel, or trying to ban Linus from working on Linux kernel as they are making money of it.
IBM supported Adolf Hitler before WW2. Should we boycott IBM (and now Red Hat) because of it? Should we demand that IBM give up their ownership in Red Hat because of it?
I agree with people who think this is a power/money grab scheme.
61 • Gnome 3.x -> 40 (by silent on 2021-03-30 13:50:38 GMT from Austria)
So what was the purpose of the 3.x ->40 version jump? Was the aim to upset packagers? It is sort of confusing, because it is not linked to GTK 4.0 at all.
62 • oo noo (by fonz on 2021-03-30 14:16:33 GMT from Indonesia)
void was a fun distro ive tested years ago on a now dead laptop, the HD still lives but im guessing its prolly better to start again from scratch. pretty curious why they didnt decide to bundle audio controls over the years when most things were already in place.
i havent tried fedora ever since ubuntu came out a long time ago. making things like installing drivers and whatnot (IMHO) is more important than staying 100% FOSS. add to that a few reviews here on DW IIRC had a bit of a bumpy ride. the Q&A section might also apply to opensuse and their remixing, same quirks apply, but there is gecko for a more streamlined install.
so much drama nowadays, making fence sitting more fun in terrible ways. people who scream 'free speech' tend to forget the limit of it (libel). heres a view i dont mind spreading around. do X crime Y times, you go bye-bye, wee. tax money is better spent elsewhere, like education in these troubled times -_-
also wondering why numb jumped from 3 to 40. i thought 40 was a new numb app or something. is it because numb 40 ate 4-39..?
63 • This RMS drama is strangely familiar (by Style99 on 2021-03-30 15:04:05 GMT from United States)
Remember back when Hans Reiser faced accusations and a sudden tidal wave of white knights made a lot of noise about him being innocent until proven guilty?
64 • RMS, Reiser, RRR (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2021-03-30 20:28:49 GMT from United States)
Yes, and many of the witch-hunters still demand they both be persecuted - instead of doing something constructive for the community. Clearly they're not interested in rehab.
Go figure.
At least Linus T. got someone with diplomacy skills.
65 • RMS cancellation (by Davd on 2021-03-31 00:36:43 GMT from United States)
RMS is part of the old guard, it's time to CANCEL him!
There needs to be someone else, someone with a more 'diverse' background', the 'woke' mob demands it! Of course, that person must support the correct causes and say the right things. You just can't have an actual individual in a position of power like that. He might say something that the thought police don't like, which would reflect badly on Corporate.
66 • Political Correctness (by x on 2021-03-31 05:12:25 GMT from United States)
At one time burning witches at the stake was politically correct.
So which distribution is developed by only those who meet or excede the litmus test for purity of action and thought or word? If this is not possible which lines of the tainted code must be removed in order to achieve perfection, or should we toss out the GPL and create a new one witten by people without the stain of human fraility.
I just want to make sure I do not have to face the Inquisitors.
67 • Oh the Humanity... (by Tech in San Diego on 2021-03-31 06:45:55 GMT from United States)
@48 - So many distros and so few developers. There are other alternatives however, Windows for Workgroups 3.10, Novell 3.11 and who could forget OS/2. They sure bring back fond memories.
@53 - On August 17, 1998, President Clinton was asked whether the statement by his lawyer Robert S. Bennett to Judge Susan Webber Wright that, “there is absolutely no sex of any kind in any manner, shape or form, with President Clinton [and Monica Lewinsky]" was truthful, President Clinton replied, “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” Clinton explained that if “is” meant “never has been” that is one thing; but, if “is” meant “there is none currently” then the statement by Mr. Bennett was correct.
@64 - I happen to enjoy RMS's Tye-died T-Shirts, ketchup stains and all.
68 • @66 x: (by dragonmouth on 2021-03-31 13:47:58 GMT from United States)
The problem with Political Correctness and "wokeness" is that both are moving targets. Anything that is "PC" or "woke" today, may be totally abhorrent to the Thought Police by next week.
Not too long ago, the Women's Lib movement demanded that every occurrence of "man" or "men" be replaced by the gender neutral "person". Would have made for some interesting new franken-words. For example: "woman" would become "woperson" or "mental" would become "persontal".
69 • Fedora - Redhat - Debian (by Will on 2021-03-31 18:42:23 GMT from United States)
I started with Slackware, back in the early 1990's. I quickly moved over to RedHat, through about version 5. Then, I found Debian and stuck with it up until about Mint 16, when I went all in on Mint. Nowadays, I flit back and forth from Mint to Debian to K/Xubuntu and back again, with most of my time spent in Debian. Ubuntu's starting silently installing snaps, another ecosystem I can't stand, so even though I have a working method of disabling snaps, it's pushing me back to Debian.
My main issues with RedHat are:
1. RPM's - can't stand the ecosystem
2. Gnome/MATE - disliked from day one - too dumbed down and space inefficient for my taste
Fedora's got the same issues, plus it won't install on my T430, some deal with the oldness of the UEFI support. Which is sad, since I have installed dozens of other distros and OSes on the thing without any problems.
I know I can install other desktops and package managers, but there's a world of difference between adding stuff, and having it delivered as a standard configuration. Yes, debian offers Gnome as the default desktop, who knows why, but KDE and XFCE are still 1st class citizens there, as well.
70 • critical_user (by nanome on 2021-03-31 20:19:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
Jesse writes: "When I started using Void it was in a VirtualBox environment. I found the distribution was quick to start and responsive."
You ask: "And are there good accessibility features?": these are always a function of the desktop environment; XFCE4 is pretty good on accessibility, I am forced to use sticky keys to write this.
CUPS printing works [I use it].
71 • Fedora (by Jeffrydada on 2021-03-31 22:52:34 GMT from United States)
I still use Jam! in my studio. But the Fedora offshot I loved was Korora, it was the "Mint" of Fedora spins.
72 • Fedora and Korora - @71 (by Hoos on 2021-04-01 03:09:22 GMT from Singapore)
Korora was indeed excellent and nicely set up with all the appropriate non-free repos. But for existing users of Korora, there was no need to abandon it after the developer stopped work on it.
Most of the applications are actually installed from the standard and non-free repos. You could simply remove the korora repo, the korora release/os file and the other branding files that came from that repo, and just continue the distro as a pre-configured Fedora.
73 • Fedora won't install (by whoKnows on 2021-04-01 07:17:31 GMT from Switzerland)
@69 • Fedora - Redhat - Debian (by Will from United States)
"My main issues with RedHat are:
1. [...]
2. Gnome/MATE - disliked from day one - too dumbed down and space inefficient for my taste
Fedora's got the same issues, plus it won't install on my T430, some deal with the oldness of the UEFI support."
Some people prefer coffee to tea, or the other way round; some open the bottle of whiskey early in the morning, instead of both ...
However, “space inefficient” is relative — Gnome3 really is the best Linux DE on any “2 in 1” or “3 in 1” device, and it still can be used with a mouse.
As of Fedora “won't install on my T430”, I can only say, I don't know what's your issue, but it is YOUR ISSUE, and not Fedora's (33/34), nor Lenovo's.
Works just fine here on T420/T430.
https://ibb.co/4fkBMHZ
74 • Fedora and derivatives (by Wally on 2021-04-01 18:16:39 GMT from United States)
I am a fellow Korora enthusiast! I came around in the Korora 22 days (Fedora 22). That was my first choice for a desktop Linux distribution. And I like that analogy, "Korora was the Mint of Fedora." It's what turned me on to Numix icon theme, even though I don't normally go for that flat look.
I still have one Fedora system, which has an Nvidia graphics card (the cheapest one that my friends recommended that could run the one game I care to play). And I was manually installing the proprietary Nvidia graphics every month or two, but then I discovered that rpmfusion-nonfree already includes them for me! I can't recall if it's dkms or already bundled into the kernel or whatever, but it made it way easier.
I love the selinux, and pre-configured firewall on by default,versus wide open lack of firewall by default on Devuan.
75 • firewalls by default (by nanome on 2021-04-01 21:30:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
@74: as it's a quiet week, I noted that you were critical of Devuan for lack of a firewall. In fact hardly any distros enable or even install any kind of Firewall. These days, most people rely on whatever their broadband router provides. Or are oblivious.
Even deploying gufw or ufw would be better than nothing. It would be better to deploy a firewall during and after installation, and leave a note, just in case it interferes with applications at a later time.
What will it take for distro-makers to take firewalls seriously?
76 • RMS (by Andy Figueroa on 2021-04-02 03:18:10 GMT from United States)
People need to be allowed to have been wrong in the past, and to mature into having better personal opinions. RMS' treatment is in the worst tradition of today's cancel culture.
77 • Think first, talk second (by whoKnows on 2021-04-02 06:00:33 GMT from Switzerland)
@76 • RMS (by Andy Figueroa from United States)
“People need to be allowed to have been wrong in the past, and to mature into having better personal opinions.”
People ARE allowed to have been wrong in the past, and to mature into having better personal opinions — “to mature into having better personal opinions” does (and should) not imply letting RMS stay for any longer on any of his previous positions.
If “to mature into having better personal opinions” would imply reinstalling somebody back to his previous position, then why not reinstall Phillip R. Bennett again as a Refco's CEO and chairman?
I don't know what exactly RMS exactly did or did not, neither most of you here. We only know what somebody told us, and we can't really make any own objective opinion on that matter.
78 • Void (by Erin on 2021-04-02 08:53:48 GMT from Spain)
Void isn't built to be for newbie. The documentation is reasonable, it is rock solid and updated (actively). Been using the glibc and musl versions for a long time. Yes it is different in several respects, yes it doesn't have lots of packages installed, yes you'll probably need to tweak it to work for you BUT there are lots of options open and an active community to help.
Is it the best distro in the world - possibly but it depends on what you're trying to achieve and how willing you are to spend time with it!
79 • Gnome 40 and Ubuntu (by Kaczor on 2021-04-02 20:07:23 GMT from United States)
Gnome 40 was released on 24th March, 2021
Fedora 4 Beta with Gnome 40 was released on 23rd March, 2021
Ubuntu would/might release a distro with Gnome 40 sometime in October, 2021. But, by that time, there could be Gnome 41.
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| • Issue 1082 (2024-08-05): Linux Mint 22, taking snapshots of UFS on FreeBSD, openSUSE updates Tumbleweed and Aeon, Debian creates Tiny QA Tasks, Manjaro testing immutable images |
| • Issue 1081 (2024-07-29): SysLinuxOS 12.4, OpenBSD gain hardware acceleration, Slackware changes kernel naming, Mint publishes upgrade instructions |
| • Issue 1080 (2024-07-22): Running GNU/Linux on Android with Andronix, protecting network services, Solus dropping AppArmor and Snap, openSUSE Aeon Desktop gaining full disk encryption, SUSE asks openSUSE to change its branding |
| • Issue 1079 (2024-07-15): Ubuntu Core 24, hiding files on Linux, Fedora dropping X11 packages on Workstation, Red Hat phasing out GRUB, new OpenSSH vulnerability, FreeBSD speeds up release cycle, UBports testing new first-run wizard |
| • Issue 1078 (2024-07-08): Changing init software, server machines running desktop environments, OpenSSH vulnerability patched, Peppermint launches new edition, HardenedBSD updates ports |
| • Issue 1077 (2024-07-01): The Unity and Lomiri interfaces, different distros for different tasks, Ubuntu plans to run Wayland on NVIDIA cards, openSUSE updates Leap Micro, Debian releases refreshed media, UBports gaining contact synchronisation, FreeDOS celebrates its 30th anniversary |
| • Issue 1076 (2024-06-24): openSUSE 15.6, what makes Linux unique, SUSE Liberty Linux to support CentOS Linux 7, SLE receives 19 years of support, openSUSE testing Leap Micro edition |
| • Issue 1075 (2024-06-17): Redox OS, X11 and Wayland on the BSDs, AlmaLinux releases Pi build, Canonical announces RISC-V laptop with Ubuntu, key changes in systemd |
| • Issue 1074 (2024-06-10): Endless OS 6.0.0, distros with init diversity, Mint to filter unverified Flatpaks, Debian adds systemd-boot options, Redox adopts COSMIC desktop, OpenSSH gains new security features |
| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
| • Issue 1066 (2024-04-15): Fun projects to do with the Raspberry Pi and PinePhone, installing new software on fixed-release distributions, improving GNOME Terminal performance, Mint testing new repository mirrors, Gentoo becomes a Software In the Public Interest project |
| • Issue 1065 (2024-04-08): Dr.Parted Live 24.03, answering questions about the xz exploit, Linux Mint to ship HWE kernel, AlmaLinux patches flaw ahead of upstream Red Hat, Calculate changes release model |
| • Issue 1064 (2024-04-01): NixOS 23.11, the status of Hurd, liblzma compromised upstream, FreeBSD Foundation focuses on improving wireless networking, Ubuntu Pro offers 12 years of support |
| • Issue 1063 (2024-03-25): Redcore Linux 2401, how slowly can a rolling release update, Debian starts new Project Leader election, Red Hat creating new NVIDIA driver, Snap store hit with more malware |
| • Issue 1062 (2024-03-18): KDE neon 20240304, changing file permissions, Canonical turns 20, Pop!_OS creates new software centre, openSUSE packages Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1061 (2024-03-11): Using a PinePhone as a workstation, restarting background services on a schedule, NixBSD ports Nix to FreeBSD, Fedora packaging COSMIC, postmarketOS to adopt systemd, Linux Mint replacing HexChat |
| • Issue 1060 (2024-03-04): AV Linux MX-23.1, bootstrapping a network connection, key OpenBSD features, Qubes certifies new hardware, LXQt and Plasma migrate to Qt 6 |
| • Issue 1059 (2024-02-26): Warp Terminal, navigating manual pages, malware found in the Snap store, Red Hat considering CPU requirement update, UBports organizes ongoing work |
| • Issue 1058 (2024-02-19): Drauger OS 7.6, how much disk space to allocate, System76 prepares to launch COSMIC desktop, UBports changes its version scheme, TrueNAS to offer faster deduplication |
| • Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
| • Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
| • Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
| • Issue 1054 (2024-01-22): Solus 4.5, comparing dd and cp when writing ISO files, openSUSE plans new major Leap version, XeroLinux shutting down, HardenedBSD changes its build schedule |
| • Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
| • Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
| • Issue 1051 (2024-01-01): Favourite distros of 2023, reloading shell settings, Asahi Linux releases Fedora remix, Gentoo offers binary packages, openSUSE provides full disk encryption |
| • Issue 1050 (2023-12-18): rlxos 2023.11, renaming files and opening terminal windows in specific directories, TrueNAS publishes ZFS fixes, Debian publishes delayed install media, Haiku polishes desktop experience |
| • Issue 1049 (2023-12-11): Lernstick 12, alternatives to WINE, openSUSE updates its branding, Mint unveils new features, Lubuntu team plans for 24.04 |
| • Issue 1048 (2023-12-04): openSUSE MicroOS, the transition from X11 to Wayland, Red Hat phasing out X11 packages, UBports making mobile development easier |
| • Issue 1047 (2023-11-27): GhostBSD 23.10.1, Why Linux uses swap when memory is free, Ubuntu Budgie may benefit from Wayland work in Xfce, early issues with FreeBSD 14.0 |
| • Issue 1046 (2023-11-20): Slackel 7.7 "Openbox", restricting CPU usage, Haiku improves font handling and software centre performance, Canonical launches MicroCloud |
| • Issue 1045 (2023-11-13): Fedora 39, how to trust software packages, ReactOS booting with UEFI, elementary OS plans to default to Wayland, Mir gaining ability to split work across video cards |
| • Issue 1044 (2023-11-06): Porteus 5.01, disabling IPv6, applications unique to a Linux distro, Linux merges bcachefs, OpenELA makes source packages available |
| • Issue 1043 (2023-10-30): Murena Two with privacy switches, where old files go when packages are updated, UBports on Volla phones, Mint testing Cinnamon on Wayland, Peppermint releases ARM build |
| • Issue 1042 (2023-10-23): Ubuntu Cinnamon compared with Linux Mint, extending battery life on Linux, Debian resumes /usr merge, Canonical publishes fixed install media |
| • Issue 1041 (2023-10-16): FydeOS 17.0, Dr.Parted 23.09, changing UIDs, Fedora partners with Slimbook, GNOME phasing out X11 sessions, Ubuntu revokes 23.10 install media |
| • Issue 1040 (2023-10-09): CROWZ 5.0, changing the location of default directories, Linux Mint updates its Edge edition, Murena crowdfunding new privacy phone, Debian publishes new install media |
| • Issue 1039 (2023-10-02): Zenwalk Current, finding the duration of media files, Peppermint OS tries out new edition, COSMIC gains new features, Canonical reports on security incident in Snap store |
| • Issue 1038 (2023-09-25): Mageia 9, trouble-shooting launchers, running desktop Linux in the cloud, New documentation for Nix, Linux phasing out ReiserFS, GNU celebrates 40 years |
| • Issue 1037 (2023-09-18): Bodhi Linux 7.0.0, finding specific distros and unified package managemnt, Zevenet replaced by two new forks, openSUSE introduces Slowroll branch, Fedora considering dropping Plasma X11 session |
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