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1 • Kernels (by Brad on 2021-02-22 00:24:35 GMT from United States)
I wonder if this poll will be relevant to many folks, since one of the reasons to use Linux, is to keep old hardware going.
Personally, I see no reason to refresh my hardware every two or three years - when I'm "ready" for a hardware change, it's usually for an older piece of affordable hardware.
2 • Kernel (by Tim on 2021-02-22 00:51:11 GMT from United States)
I chose "I don't know" because that's as close as I can get to "I don't care..." unless I'm in the situation like the person Jesse was replying to and my system has a problem with a specific kernel. It was interesting hearing the different Ubuntu packages though, I will keep this in mind if I need it.
I've been using Mobian with phosh (and Mate) on my Pinephone. I've been really happy with it. How have people found other distros?
3 • HWE (by wally on 2021-02-22 00:52:28 GMT from United States)
no HWE on any machines, even one a few months old
4 • Ubuntu LTS HWE Kernels (by Wedge009 on 2021-02-22 01:21:20 GMT from Australia)
Had to revert to the older generic kernel due to amdgpu-pro support (or rather, lack of support for HWE kernels).
5 • Ubuntu LTS HWE Kernel (by RogerInLawrenceville on 2021-02-22 01:35:02 GMT from United States)
I upgraded an HP DL380 G5 from 16.04 to 18.04. The server wouldn't boot because the newer kernel had removed support for my HP RAID controller. Luckily the previous kernel was still present so I was able to boot the server.
6 • HWE kernel (by Andy Prough on 2021-02-22 02:34:06 GMT from United States)
I run a HWE kernel with MX KDE which has AHS (advanced hardware support) on one system, mainly to test certain features and to create one of my respins. But on my other systems I find that the 4.19 LTS kernel usually works best. Usually all I need is the Linux-libre kernel, which is kind of the opposite of HWE.
7 • Mageia & LMDE kernels (by M.Z. on 2021-02-22 03:51:41 GMT from United States)
I suppose I run an older kernel on Mint Debian, but for Magiea it's kind of none of the above, as it is a fixed release with a modern kernel. I'm on Linux 5.10.14 right now, though much of the rest of the software like LibreOffice is getting a bit old & Firefox is the ESR version. I've got no stability issues & no kernel issues that I can remember. I get why Debian, RHEL, & other things targeted at a production environment/big IT shop would do things wilt old kernels, though it really isn't necessary for most users. Given how good Mageia is, I'm a bit surprised that Ubuntu & similar distros don't just have some box on their upgrade system to automatically got to the latest LTS kernel.
8 • kernel ver. (by Marvin (P.) Android on 2021-02-22 06:30:03 GMT from New Zealand)
My daily driver is on kernel 5.7.19, but Mageia is offering Linux 5.10.14. I have yet to update.
I dont have the latest hardware - my youngest h/w is late 2014, oldest is a 32bit Athlon xp2400+ desktop, and a variety in between.
Mageia 7 runs on them all, that includes (OOTB) 32bit UEFI hardware. The oldest hardware runs a bit slower, but is still usable - even Firefox. Some programs however are not compatible with SSE due to age, so they just do not run. So not a kernel problem, per se, but libraries that have been deprecated.
Oh, nearly forgot - never used timeshift (or equivalent) to recover a borked update, because, well, I have yet to experience one. I use Clonezilla as an irregular backup tool.
9 • Roll your own kernel (by James in NZ on 2021-02-22 07:02:20 GMT from New Zealand)
I roll my own kernel using the sources on kernel.org (5.11); I recently had to do this to use usb adapters that were not previously supported in "stable" distro kernel release (5.10)
10 • Septor (by Barnabyh on 2021-02-22 07:53:34 GMT from South Africa)
Well-written review, thanks Jesse. The previous version of Septor had a tool called MAT, the Metadata Anonymisation Toolkit. It would be interesting to know why this is not there anymore if it was omitted.
11 • Septor (by Marko on 2021-02-22 08:17:18 GMT from Serbia)
@Barnabyh MAT2 is here now. Right click in Dolphin - Actions - Clean metadata.
12 • HWE kernels, and stable fixed feature complete in general. (by henry on 2021-02-22 09:55:31 GMT from Belgium)
I think these are the last years/decade of "stable fixed feature complete" of anything. Unfortunately. From win10 - linux distro's - up to the kernel. It's telling the user never to get too comfortable, and never really rely on anything. Just go with it. Accept you are no longer in control.
Stable fixed feature complete releases are key to guarantee long term compatibility for software/hardware vendors. But also that is no longer necessary. If it doesn't work anymore, you can buy something new.
Supporting stable fixed feature releases of anything costs money and dedication. It's cheaper to support just one branch. So it must go. F the user!
13 • MAT (by Jesse on 2021-02-22 11:19:05 GMT from Canada)
@10: It looks like the MAT package for removing metadata from files was dropped from Debian. Since Septor uses Debian as its base, that would explain why the tool is missing. https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mat.html
14 • slow and steady wins the race (by fonz on 2021-02-22 11:21:14 GMT from Indonesia)
while i do prefer LTS stuff, my new desk+laptop dont really work at peak performance. its a bit of a small trade off IMHO, but still slow and steady wins the race. not a fan of all the new shiny stuff being heavily promoted (but being very borked) as said on last weeks weekly. take a look at all the modern games. so shiny, yet so borked. i remembered back in the 90s we could get product recalls, get a free updated game/app + a coupon as an apology for releasing something buggy...
OTOH, manjaro on a pinephone does seem fun. not liking where droids are going to as undoing droid 10 (borked) forced me to buy a new phone anways.
also kudos to DW for reviewing obscure distros nowadays. although i dont think i really need an anonymity focused distro for the foreseeable future, having a few reviewed should help privacy noobs like me make a more educamacated guess...
15 • slackware "..but you can call it 15.0-alpha1" edition (by henry on 2021-02-22 11:25:25 GMT from Belgium)
I'm am really looking forward to Slackware 15. I already have the "15.0-alpha1" running on my PC. And it is running great. No issues and very fast. However I am running it with the 5.4.99 kernel, because of compatibility. When running current, and when you have stuff that is using specific compiled kernel modules for stuff you run like the nvidia driver or virtualbox-kernel, it's best to roll your own kernel outside package management. If not, you can go for stock kernel.
Installation was fast, and performance is great. And as host for virtualbox it's behaving well. There are a lot of new tools, but luckily the oldskool tool sets are still there. Stuff like lftp, mc, etc that I use on a daily base. For the fun stuff, games from steam run also great. gta5 is running just as fast as on windows these days. Hell, even the default shortkeys in xfce made a lot of sense out-of-the-box.
16 • slackware - maybe one the best distros ever (by slack- on 2021-02-22 13:49:33 GMT from Brazil)
Slackware 15 will be the first release with kde 5, perhaps the last kde-based distro to adopt it. Will replace my debian 10 machine with it when it is ready.
Btw, Slackware uses SySV. "because PID1 must be simple, secure and stable." (quote from ArtixLinux website)
17 • Eqonomize (by pepa65 on 2021-02-22 14:10:01 GMT from Thailand)
Jesse said: "do not name your applications things like Eqonomize, it is hard to tell people how to find your website" -- I am baffled by this. I googled "Eqonomize" and the top link was the desired result. You tell people "with a Q instead of a C" and they will find it. Had they called their app Economize, it would have been very hard to find...
18 • HWE (by Tad Generic on 2021-02-22 15:00:35 GMT from Canada)
No Idea if I have one or not. I'm just at the level where I'll distro hop until I find one that just works on whatever I'm installing it on. This took a bit of time on a 4 year old Acer Expire (AMD A9) where the screen would flicker periodically. I tend to favour the rolling release model, because I don't like doing periodic reinstalls, and traditionally don't use LTS versions on desktops (though perhaps I should reconsider that). OpenSuSE Tumbleweed and Manjaro are current favourites. I'm going to give Mabox a look today, out of curiosity.
19 • App names (by Jesse on 2021-02-22 15:13:00 GMT from Canada)
@17: "Jesse said: "do not name your applications things like Eqonomize, it is hard to tell people how to find your website" -- I am baffled by this. I googled "Eqonomize" and the top link was the desired result."
Of course it was, because you spelled the search the way the app is named, not the way it sounds. Which was entirely my point. If someone had _told_ you to search for an app named "economize" you'd never find the website you wanted. The first 200 pages of search results wold be about finances. It's only because you know (from reading its name in text) that the app has a misspelled name that you were able to find it.
The same goes for apps like Kontact or Konquorer. These are terrible because anyone who hears them (rather than seeing them in text) will never find them.
20 • kernels (by Otis on 2021-02-22 15:52:02 GMT from United States)
Some people and a lot of companies have more than one machine and type of machine, so kernels are going to be more important to them, perhaps even HWE kernels if the computers they use are across more than one generation of hardware evolution.
But I'm wondering if the poll question is moot to most of the population of linux users with older hardware. And yes I do wonder often what those percentages are now days. Some of us began our linux journey on state of the art machines in 1995.
Many of us kept going as to updating our computers to newer laptops and PCs, but still installed linux distros on the new machines, even wiping out Windows, but often also just purchasing spare hard drives for linux; we were doing it both ways, even usb sticks, etc.
21 • @19 - eqonomize (by Andy Prough on 2021-02-22 17:02:33 GMT from United States)
Just say "e-kwon-omize". My search engine finds eqonomize as the first hit whether I spell it "eqonomize" or "equonomize".
22 • kernels (by David on 2021-02-22 17:34:48 GMT from United Kingdom)
Using PCLinuxOS you get a choice of how to handle the kernel. I opted for a fully rolling-release, so I've just got version 5.10, but you can opt to use a LTS kernel — currently either 5.4 or 4.19.
23 • Rolling release and kernels (by Bobbie Sellers on 2021-02-22 18:49:45 GMT from United States)
All my hardware is used from 11 to 6 years old. I run PCLinuxOS64 and my kernel is 5.10.17 and today I am using that on my Latitude E7450
PCLinuxOS64 using that kernel, latest iso to avoid excess updates to KDE is 2021.0215. I look forward to using it on my older machines two Dell Latitudes E6520 and E6540. I only use older kernels when I have some problems with the newest kernel.
bliss -“Nearly any fool can use a computer. Many do.” After all here I am...
24 • #19 (by Essexson on 2021-02-22 18:58:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sorry Jesse, your misspelling was misspelt. Konquorer should be Konqueror :)
25 • HWE?? WTH?? :) (by Jan K. on 2021-02-22 19:15:54 GMT from Denmark)
How does one vote, when running huge kernel 5.11 in a not fixed nor rolling distro?
According to the wiki definition, "huge kernel" is not HWE....
Sigh
26 • HWE (by Penguin86 on 2021-02-22 19:20:43 GMT from United States)
I'd rather see continued support for older hardware. Most of my hardware is at least 5 years old. If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it.
27 • Linux kernel discussions: HWE, GA, etc. (by Greg Zeng on 2021-02-22 21:55:42 GMT from Australia)
Tried to make sense of this week's topic. So many unanswered questions. The official Ubuntu site on HWE & GA showed more unanswered questions, referring to the years of 2016 & 2018. Other years of LTS releases do not exist: 2020, etc? Is the discussion only about server operating systems, without or with a desktop environment? Seemingly unknown are many other Linux facts. More creators of Linux operating systems use Ubuntu LTS CORE systems than any other core base (Debian, Red Hat, Arch, Open Suse, Manjaro, etc). Does this HWE discussion apply to these Ubuntu LTS systems as well? Mint, Pop!_OS, KDE Neon, Zorin, etc? Ubuntu itself has official Linux kernel releases, new every few days. These officially compiled releases include all the old, new, alpha & beta releases of all Ubuntu kernels ever released: "Index of /~kernel-ppa/mainline" The reasons why these are published is that bug fixing, optimizations and features being added & removed are continuous processes. "Perfection" does not exist. OK performance is the best possible, since accidents, changed environments & malware can be continually happening. The derived creators of the know the "bug" that Jesse's OP mentions. Some later derivative operating systems have GUI versions of this Distrowatch CLI solution. The system administrator is given the GUI choice of staying with any of the Linux kernel choices, easily, now or forever. Reading the users' comments, some users have simple family computers that never are exposed to malware & changed environments. Yet they still use the latest Linux operating systems that are aware of the newer Linux kernels? The other problem of all Linux systems that allow updates to the Linux kernel are the accumulated files, file spaces & administrative overheads demanded with so many old or new Linux kernels. There are ways to remove these unwanted pieces, if they are allowed to clutter the operating system.
28 • Septor & Kernels (by Cheker on 2021-02-23 00:47:00 GMT from Portugal)
Septor seems nice. I haven't tried it myself yet because I felt like it wasn't gonna be too different from Tails.
I'm on LTS kernels (5.4 and 4.19) on both machines (one new, one old), even though the new one is a rolling release. I don't think I have a use case for newer kernels, so I'll take the stability.
29 • Re. No26, distros, versions, colonels and co, (by Someguy on 2021-02-23 08:49:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yes, No.26, and older kit. Who are all these fellas actually 'buying' ready-build hardware?! ASPs are the obvious route even for new builds. Best to specify your own hardware right down to the nuts & bolts as well as the distros, colonels, boot options, etc. There's good parts that can be recycled from really ancient kit, too. I have a really old 'full tower' case running my latest hardware - mostly empty space inside keeps everything nice and cool & quiet, can sit on it or put a vase of tulips on for an early Spring display. With older stuff, sometimes run into nV incompatibilities and don't like Intel hardware for choice. Otherwise, rolling, HWE, SySV, - whatever works. Looking forward to Slack15.
30 • HWE kernel (by John on 2021-02-23 11:07:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
I am running the 4.15 kernel. In the past I too have had issues rebooting following a kernel upgrade (hwe or otherwise). Whether rightly or wrongly, I rebooted into an older kernel version, fired up synaptic, and removed all references to the newest kernel (headers, image, extras etc.) - then rebooted, and everything was back to normal. I usually wait at least a month before updating again, and by that time the kernel has been sufficiently modified to not cause any further problems.
Don't laugh, and it's certainly more work than Jesse's two lines of code, but us newbies lacking in the knowledge have to find our own solutions!
31 • Older Mint Installs (by Chris on 2021-02-23 12:21:37 GMT from United States)
I'm running Mint 18.3 since that's the last one with KDE. I tried adding KDE to the current version using instructions from various web sites, but the end result was a total mess. I do keep my 18.3 up to date though (so far).
32 • HWE Kernel (by dragonmouth on 2021-02-23 13:19:59 GMT from United States)
For the past 5 years or so I've been using PCLinuxOS. Never had any problems with using different kernels. Sometimes I would have 4 of them on my PC and use them interchangeably. Then I was forced to switch to antiX. The first time I tried using a kernel other than the default, I got an error on boot. So I'm stuck using 4.9.212.
33 • HWE needed for newer AMD processors (by mikef90000 on 2021-02-23 19:28:07 GMT from United States)
On Linux Mint 20 I've confirmed that the HWE 5.8 is required for stability. The early 5.4 kernels showed many amdgpu warnings in syslog and the graphics on my APU would occasionally stop responding (logout or reboot required). On lower memory systems the newer kernels seem a little slower but RAM is usually an easy upgrade.
34 • both (by Tim on 2021-02-23 22:27:16 GMT from United States)
I just want to point out that supporting old kit and new kit is not mutually exclusive. The oldest of my internet connected computers, a 2008 Core Duo, is running the 5.10 kernel currently in Debian testing.
The nugget from this week is that Ubuntu gives easy options of multiple supported mainline kernels. I’ll use that if I ever have trouble with one, whether it’s the original or the hwe.
I’ve never had to roll my own kernel on any machine. Regressions on older hardware are often random and disappear on the next release. New hardware we have rolling releases for until supported kernels end up in a formal release. At any given time, there’s a Debian stable, a Debian oldstable, a Debian Testing, 3 Ubuntu LTSs, a Ubuntu interim, and 2 supported families of Mint. One of those options is usually going to work fine, and with /home on a separate partition an OS refresh takes about half an hour and fixes the vast majority of any problems.
35 • @32 - switching kernels on antiX (by Andy Prough on 2021-02-23 22:30:37 GMT from United States)
> Then I was forced to switch to antiX. The first time I tried using a kernel other than the default, I got an error on boot. So I'm stuck using 4.9.212.
I switch kernels and add kernels frequently on antiX. Works quite well. Possibly you grabbed a kernel from an incompatible source, like from an Ubuntu PPA?
36 • To HWE or not to (by whoKnows on 2021-02-24 09:29:08 GMT from Switzerland)
@33 • HWE needed for newer AMD processors (by mikef90000)
"On Linux Mint 20 I've confirmed that the HWE 5.8 is required for stability."
As always, you need to know what are you doing and why exactly.
As Jesse explained:
"These special kernels [Hardware Enablement (HWE) kernels] include updated driver support to allow the distribution to run on more modern hardware. These kernels can be useful to people installing a distribution on new computers [...]"
Example:
You build yourself a new Ryzen PC and use the Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 motherboard.
https://www.gigabyte.com/de/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-ELITE-AX-V2-rev-10/sp#sp
If you check its specs, you'll find out that it uses Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN chip (2.5 Gbit/1 Gbit/100 Mbit).
The first Kernel that supports it was the 5.9 Kernel.
Obviously if you're still on Kernel 5.8, you'll have "no internet" (no driver for your Realtek Ethernet chip) at all.
Either you'll have to use some old, supported NW LAN card, or you MUST use the 5.10+ Kernel, or the 5.8 HWE (where applicable).
This has nothing to do with "stability" but more with to have or not to have something (internet connection in this example) at all.
37 • kernel vs modern hardware (by Otis on 2021-02-24 15:17:24 GMT from United States)
@36 "Either you'll have to use some old, supported NW LAN card, or you MUST use the 5.10+ Kernel, or the 5.8 HWE (where applicable)."
Those aren't the only two choices, fortunately. A linux user savvy enough to build their own system can (learn to) build a customized kernel for said system. Many do.
The wonders of linux/bsd.
38 • MAT / MAT2 debian (by Dimitris on 2021-02-24 18:14:20 GMT from Greece)
@10 , @13 mat privacy tool, has been removed, because there is mat2 around : https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mat2 so you can still get it in debian / debian based
39 • Kernel version (by Adam Drake on 2021-02-24 22:02:01 GMT from United States)
5.8.0-45 on my laptop with Ubuntu installed and groovy-proposed enabled. If my "new" home server ever arrives, it will run whatever Buster is up to these days.
40 • @36 - 5.9 Kernel and new ethernet chip (by Andy Prough on 2021-02-24 22:04:37 GMT from United States)
> If you check its specs, you'll find out that it uses Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN chip (2.5 Gbit/1 Gbit/100 Mbit). The first Kernel that supports it was the 5.9 Kernel.
That's usually how it works - if you want to use something that first came to market in 2020, like the Realtek 2.5GbE LAN chip, you'll want to use a kernel or firmware from 2020 that supports it.
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• Issue 991 (2022-10-24): XeroLinux 2022.09, learning who ran sudo, exploring firewall tools, Rolling Rhino Remix gets a fresh start, Fedora plans to revamp live media |
• Issue 990 (2022-10-17): ravynOS 0.4.0, Lion Linux 3.0, accessing low numbered network ports, Pop!_OS makes progress on COSMIC, Murena launches new phone |
• Issue 989 (2022-10-10): Ubuntu Unity, kernel bug causes issues with Intel cards, Canonical offers free Ubuntu Pro subscriptions, customizing the command line prompt |
• Issue 988 (2022-10-03): SpiralLinux 11.220628, finding distros for older equipment and other purposes, SUSE begins releasing ALP prototypes, Debian votes on non-free firmware in installer |
• Issue 987 (2022-09-26): openSUSE's MicroOS, converting people to using Linux, pfSense updates base system and PHP, Python 2 dropped from Arch |
• Issue 986 (2022-09-19): Porteus 5.0, remotely wiping a hard drive, a new software centre for Ubuntu, Proxmox offers offline updates |
• Full list of all issues |
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