 DistroWatch Weekly |
| DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 898, 4 January 2021 |
Welcome to this year's 1st issue of DistroWatch Weekly!
The Linux community is full of new approaches and new styles. Developers are always trying out fresh ways to solve persistent problems. To kick off the new year we begin with a look at MocaccinoOS, a distribution that experiments with a new package manager called Luet. MocaccinoOS includes a few other unusual features, including its lightweight C library and runit init software. Our Feature Story offers more details about this young project and its multiple editions. In our News section we talk about Fedora speeding up package management via the Btr filesystem and managing low-memory situations using a systemd utility. Plus the Haiku project has been improving its desktop and the appearance of text. We are also pleased to report the HAMMER2 filesystem can now span multiple local volumes and we share more on this feature below. Last year iXsystems merged the FreeNAS and TrueNAS projects and we have updated our information pages to track this change. Late last year Red Hat announced CentOS Linux is being phased out and our Question and Answers column is a response to people who wrote in asking about alternative long-term support platforms. Then we are pleased to share the releases of the past two weeks and list the torrents we are seeding. Going into the new year we have been decluttering a bit and are curious to know how many packages people have installed on their Linux machines. Let us know how many pieces of software you have installed in the Opinion Poll. We wish you all a wonderful start to the new year and happy reading!
Content:
- Review: MocaccinoOS
- News: Fedora using Btrfs to speed up package upgrades, Haiku improves text contrast, HAMMER2 gets multi-volume support, FreeNAS merges with TrueNAS
- Questions and answers: Longest supported distribution
- Released in the past two weeks: 4MLinux 35.0, Parted Magic 2020_12_25, deepin 20.1
- Torrent corner: 4MLinux, Arch, ArchBang, deepin, Gardua, KDE neon, Nitrux, OSMC, Rescuezilla, Septor, Slackel
- Opinion poll: How many packages are installed on your main computer?
- Reader comments
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| Feature Story (by Jesse Smith) |
MocaccinoOS
MocaccinoOS is a young Linux distribution which is experimenting with a new approach to package management. In particular, Mocaccino uses the Luet package manager which acts as a front-end for container-based software.
Luet uses container technologies (Docker) to build packages. It provides an abstraction over the Dockerfile format introducing relation and versioning of images. Versioned rootfs as layers, delivered as upgrades or multiple single packages.
Though it is not explicitly stated, it looks like the idea here is to provide new applications and dependencies through containers to better handle dependencies and allow for for more stable upgrades.
At the time of writing there are two editions of Mocaccino. The first is Mocaccino Micro, a distribution which runs on the musl C library. It is stated to be based on Linux From Scratch using Luet for package management. Micro is minimal and reportedly suited for cloud and Docker, deployments. The second edition is Mocaccino Portage, a Gentoo-based operating system suited for desktop environments. At the moment it appears Mocaccino Portage is available in one desktop flavour: GNOME.
The Mocaccino website repeatedly warns us development of the project is still in its early stages. The distribution is not, the developers tell us, ready for production. We should regard Mocaccino, therefore, as an interesting work in progress. This approach is reflected in the documentation which is sparse and mostly talks about how to migrate from an existing Sabayon installation to Mocaccino and set up the new project's software repositories.
I downloaded both editions of Mocaccino. The Portage edition with the GNOME desktop is a 2.2GB ISO file while the Micro edition weighs in at a relatively small 334MB.
Portage edition with GNOME
I started off trying the Portage edition, with the idea that it would be easier to begin with a pre-configured desktop edition. Unfortunately this edition failed to load properly. During the early boot sequence the system displayed several errors declaring "Device device name has no proper overlay structure." This was followed by a message saying, "Rootfs not found." At this point the operating system gave up and dropped to an emergency shell prompt. No services were running, there were no recognized network devices, and no way to access the desktop. I tried loading the Portage edition a few times and it always ended up with me at a shell prompt with a minimal, recovery environment.
I was a little disappointed, but not really put off by this turn of events. After all, the distribution is still very much in its early development stages and the website is clear about not expecting things to work yet.
Micro edition
I had better luck with the Micro edition. This edition booted successfully and brought me to a text-based login screen. From there I could sign into the console using the username "root" and by guessing the password "mocaccino".
Exploring the Micro edition I discovered a few things about its minimal, command line only environment. Pleasantly, if a wired network connection is available, Mocaccino will automatically connect to it for us. The distribution mostly uses Busybox for its command line tools. For example, the ls, grep, and man commands are all links to Busybox. Unfortunately the man command does not work and was unable to show me any documentation for installed programs.
The Micro edition uses runit for its init software and runs on version 5.4.0 of the Linux kernel. It looks like the kernel package is provided by the Sabayon project. A newer version of the kernel, 5.7.0, is available if we want to upgrade. The distribution appears to be set up to run on 64-bit (x86_64) machines only.
The Micro edition boots and shuts down very quickly, taking only a few seconds to get going or stop. This is probably due to a combination of runit which is blazingly fast and the distribution running very few services by default. In fact, Mocaccino only consumed about 30MB of RAM when I was logged into the console.
Package management
As I mentioned earlier, Mocaccino uses a new package manager called Luet. While Luet works a bit differently and acts as a front-end for container-based packages, the commands Luet recognizes are mostly familiar. The key commands most people will want to use are "search", "install", "uninstall", and "upgrade" which are pretty self-explanatory. There are other Luet sub-commands for managing repositories, building and packaging software, and getting helpful tips on how to use Luet.
When we install or upgrade software through Luet the output from the package manager is very verbose and scrolls across the screen quickly. This meant I usually did not know what was going on, apart from it looked like package data from each repository is being downloaded. This happened every time I performed a search for a package; it seems Luet downloads repository information every time we do a search and that slows down the package manager a lot. Presumably caching in future versions will remove the need for the frequent pulls from the remote servers.
To be fair, while searches are slow with Luet, compared to other package managers, the refresh and search functions probably take less than ten seconds. It only adds up a lot when we perform multiple searches back-to-back. Also on the topic of searches, Luet appears to search for items by name, but not by description. This means a search for "ftp" returns nothing, but searching for "cur" returns curl, the FTP and web client, along with the ncurses package.
Installing new software worked smoothly and, from the user's perspective, works exactly the same as command line package management on other distributions. I was wondering if using containers behind the scenes might complicate things, but everything was seamless. The only quirk of Luet I ran into come when installing software. I needed to specify the category of software I was installing along with its name. For example, I had to run "luet install development/make" to get the make package and "luet install utils/curl" to get the curl program. The category is provided in search results so we immediately know which category to use, it's just a little extra typing.
At first I couldn't find any way to show which software was installed on the system. I get the impression most of Mocaccino is meant to be considered an atomic whole, rather than a collection of packages, so listing installed packages in the default system is not an obvious procedure. That being said, I did find I could list all the packages I had installed by listing the contents of the /var/cache/luet directory. This directory keeps a cache of software we have downloaded.
Installing
I could not find instructions for installing fresh copies of either edition of Mocaccino. The project's documentation does explain how to convert an existing Sabayon install into the new Mocaccino Portage distribution. The documentation also mentions that the Micro edition can be run as a Docker container. However, I have not found a method to do a clean install of either edition to a hard drive.
Conclusions
As I mentioned before, MocaccinoOS is very much in its early stages. Its core operating system and package manager are closer to proof-of-concept creations than complete tools. However, I do think there may be promise here, at least with the Micro edition. It's small, light, and fast. It feels akin to Alpine Linux with its tiny footprint and I suspect it could be used as a practical base for container management.
Luet, while still in its early stages, looks like it could be very useful with a little polish and faster searches. I can't say I have, as of yet, found a practical difference between Luet and, for example, DNF or APT, but perhaps this will change as the distribution matures and its container-focused approach takes on more distinct features. I wouldn't recommend using Mocaccino yet, but I feel it will be worth watching and trying again in a year.
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| Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith) |
Fedora using Btrfs to speed up package upgrades, Haiku improves text contrast, HAMMER2 gets multi-volume support, FreeNAS merges with TrueNAS
The Fedora developers are working on new changes expected to arrive in Fedora 34. Some of the proposed alterations include using the systemd out of memory process killer, which would replace EarlyOOM, and using Btrfs copy-on-write features in parallel with the package manager to change the way new updates are applied to the system. The new approach to package management could greatly improve upgrade times on systems using Btrfs. "Ballpark performance difference is about half the duration for file download+install time. A lot of RPMs are very small, so it's difficult to see/measure. Larger RPMs give much clearer signal."
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The Haiku team published a newsletter which outlines work being done to their lightweight, desktop operating system. The project is doing quite a bit of clean-up, improving their ARM port, and polishing the user interface. One immediately practical feature is the attempt to make text always visible, even when the background colour has changed. "nephele and PulkoMandy modified the algorithm to decide the text colour on the Desktop and in other Tracker windows. Now the document background and foreground colours are used by default, and the text automatically switches to white or black when needed to make sure the text remains readable with a custom background color (for example on the desktop)."
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The DragonFly BSD developers have been working on making their HAMMER2 advanced filesystem more flexible. The second version of HAMMER is now able to span multiple physical volumes. This allows the HAMMER2 filesystem to be spread over multiple local hard drives, expanding its storage space. "This commit adds initial multi-volumes support for HAMMER2. Maximum supported volumes is 64. The feature and implementation is similar to multi-volumes support in HAMMER1." More detailed technical information on this change and HAMMER2 can be found in this mailing list post.
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Back in March of 2020 we reported that the FreeNAS project would be merging with TrueNAS. The idea was for FreeNAS to become the no-charge, community-oriented branch of TrueNAS and would carry the name TrueNAS Core. Meanwhile the existing TrueNAS product, backed by iXsystems, would be branded TrueNAS Enterprise. As the transition appears to be complete and a new version of FreeNAS/TrueNAS Core has been released under the new name, we have updated our information pages to match on DistroWatch. All old ratings, news stories, and release announcements can now be found on our TrueNAS page.
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These and other news stories can be found on our Headlines page.
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| Questions and Answers (by Jesse Smith) |
Longest supported distribution
Here-for-a-long-time asks: I'm looking to set up a system that is minimal and requires minimal maintenance, meaning a static OS so no rolling releases. Which distros have the longest support?
DistroWatch answers: The answer to which distribution has the longest support cycle, meaning you will not need to upgrade your operating system during that time, will depend on whether you are planning to pay for support or not. Both Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SUSE Linux Enterprise have been providing at least ten years of support for their commercial distributions for a long time. I say at least ten years because these companies also offer extended support contracts. SUSE offers three year extensions, making for a total of thirteen years of support. Canonical also offers paid support for some versions of Ubuntu for ten years.
However, if you are looking for a non-commercial distribution then the maximum time span you are likely to get is from Springdale Linux which provides about ten years of support, courtesy of Red Hat's upstream patches. Some other distributions provide five years of support, though sometimes the timeline is unofficial. Ubuntu, along with many of its descendants, and Debian provide five years of support for free. The openSUSE distribution receives about three years of free support.
Though not a Linux distribution, FreeBSD supports major releases for five years.
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Additional answers can be found in our Questions and Answers archive.
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| Released Last Week |
4MLinux 35.0
Zbigniew Konojacki has announced the release of 4MLinux 35.0, a quarterly update of the project's minimalist desktop and server distribution featuring "four Ms": maintenance (as a system rescue live CD), multimedia (for playing video DVDs and other multimedia files), mini-server (using the inetd daemon) and mystery (providing several small Linux games). As usual, the new release updates many of the base packages, but it also includes some new ones, such as Inkscape and Dangerous Dave (a game): "The status of the 4MLinux 35.0 series has been changed to stable. As always, the new major release has some new features. Inkscape (vector graphics editor) is now available as a downloadable extension. Dangerous Dave has been added to the collection of games which can be played via DOSBox. Notepad++ (advanced code editor) has been included in the 4MLinux WINE package. Nmap (network scanner) and ircII (IRC client) have been added to the 4MLinux Server." Here is the complete release announcement as published on the project's Blogspot pages.
Parted Magic 2020_12_25
Parted Magic is a small live CD/USB/PXE with its elemental purpose being to partition hard drives. Although GParted and Parted are the main programs, the CD/USB also offers other applications, such as Partition Image, TestDisk, fdisk, sfdisk, dd, and ddrescue. The project's latest release updates the desktop to Xfce 4.14 from 4.12. "This version of Parted Magic comes with a huge number of package updates and improvements. Most notable is the upgrade to Xfce 4.14. I spent a lot of time tweaking the general look and feel. It looks significantly better than the last version. The boot menus have some changes so it's easier for people the find the more common booting work-a-arounds. Fcitx has been added to further improve input support. A menu allows you choose between Fcitx and Ibus. The old PXE version download has been discontinued. I highly suggest using the new method to boot Parted Magic via PXE: https://partedmagic.com/pxe/. If you really need to use the old slow PXE method you can build it with the included script: boot/pxelinux/pm2pxe.sh." The project's news page has more information. Parted Magic can be purchased from the distribution's online store for US$11.
deepin 20.1
The deepin project has published a new update to the distribution's 20.x series. deepin 20.1 features a new kernel, Linux 5.8, along with bringing the rest of the operating system up to date with Debian 10.6. There have also been a number of performance improvements. "In deepin 20.1, the operating efficiency of processors, network transmission and response, file reading and writing, and graphics display has been significantly enhanced by overall optimization of kernel configurations and codes; and conventional operations have been fully optimized. You will enjoy smoother experiences and faster responses from these improvements. Control Center: The new power settings - Power Plans supports three modes: Balanced, Power Saver, and High Performance. When ultimate performance is required, the high-performance mode offers smoother user experiences." Further details and screenshots can be found in the distribution's release announcement (Chinese, English).
Slackel 7.4 "Openbox"
Dimitris Tzemos has announced the release of Slackel, a Slackware-based distribution. The project's latest release is Slackel 7.4 which brings the distribution up to date with Slackware's Current development branch. It also introduces support for 64-bit UEFI systems. "The new version is available in 64-bit and 32-bit builds. The 64-bit ISO image support booting on UEFI systems. ISO images are isohybrid. ISO images can be used as installation media. It is good to read the Slackel Startup Guide before install Slackel. What is new: Slackel can be installed (real installation) in an external 16GB or 32GB USB stick or SSD disk and have a portable fast system always with you. You can upgrade it also having the latest programs. It is a real installation. You will not notice you run Slackel from a USB. System is fast. In details: Slackel Live Installer (SLI) now can do a real installation to an external USB stick or USB SSD or USB hard disk, creating the necessary initrd for booting...." Further details can be found in the distribution's release announcement.
Slackel 7.4 "Openbox" -- Exploring the application menu
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Septor 2021
The Debian Srbija project has announced the release of Septor 2021, a brand-new version of its Debian-based distribution with a focus on preserving the anonymity and privacy of users. Unlike the versions of Septor released last year, which were all based on the stable Debian 10 "Buster" version, this latest release is based on Debian's testing branch, which will eventually become Debian 11 "Bullseye". This means a complete upgrade to the distribution's based systems and applications, including Linux kernel 5.9.15 and KDE Plasma 5.20.4, the default desktop. Browsing is done with the Tor Browser and most internet applications connect to the outside world through the Tor network - this includes Mozilla Thunderbird, the qTox internet messenger, HexChat, QuiteRSS and the OnionShare file sharing utility. The live image also comes with a variety of productivity, graphics and multimedia applications as well as general-purpose utilities. See the release announcement (in Serbian, with a video and a number of screenshots) and also visit the project's home page on SourceForge for further information.
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
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| Torrent Corner |
Weekly Torrents
The table below provides a list of torrents DistroWatch is currently seeding. If you do not have a bittorrent client capable of handling the linked files, we suggest installing either the Transmission or KTorrent bittorrent clients.
Archives of our previously seeded torrents may be found in our Torrent Archive. We also maintain a Torrents RSS feed for people who wish to have open source torrents delivered to them. To share your own open source torrents of Linux and BSD projects, please visit our Upload Torrents page.
Torrent Corner statistics:
- Total torrents seeded: 2,285
- Total data uploaded: 35.6TB
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| Upcoming Releases and Announcements |
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Summary of expected upcoming releases
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| Opinion Poll (by Jesse Smith) |
How many packages are installed on your main computer?
Modern operating systems are made up of hundreds, often thousands, of individual packages and components spread across tens of thousands of files. Typically these files are tracked and maintained by a package manager as staying on top of updates for every component manually would be a full time job.
We would like to hear how many packages are currently installed on your Linux distribution. If you are uncertain how to get this information, then visiting our Package Management page may be useful. Listing the installed packages on your system and running the result through the wc command will give you the number of installed items.
Here are the commands for checking the number of installed packages on distributions in the Fedora, Debian, and Arch Linux families:
Arch Linux:
pacman -Q | wc -l
Debian:
dpkg -l | grep "^ii" | wc -l
Fedora:
rpm -qa | wc -l
You can see the results of our previous poll on migrating away from CentOS Linux in last week's edition. All previous poll results can be found in our poll archives.
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How many packages are installed on your Linux system?
| Less than 100: | 58 (4%) |
| 100-500: | 68 (4%) |
| 501-1000: | 102 (7%) |
| 1001-2500: | 734 (47%) |
| 2501-5000: | 363 (23%) |
| Greater than 5000: | 38 (2%) |
| Unknown: | 151 (10%) |
| I am not running a Linux system: | 34 (2%) |
| My Linux distro does not have a package manager: | 8 (1%) |
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1 • Linux Packages (by Dan on 2021-01-04 00:25:48 GMT from United States)
I didn't bother counting everything included with the distro out of the box,but I use 4MLinux, and there is no package manager included with it,.
2 • MocaccinoOS (by FabioLolix on 2021-01-04 00:39:25 GMT from Italy)
MocaccinoOS also have Mate and KDE desktop
3 • If it runs, leave it be... (by Friar Tux on 2021-01-04 00:50:19 GMT from Canada)
I voted 'Unknown'. As I have state many times - ad nauseam - as long as the systems runs, and runs without a hitch, I don't care what's under the hood, or, in this case, how much is under the hood.
On a more festive note, I hope the DW team had a great Holiday and I wish you guys a fantastic and prosperous New Year!
4 • Synaptic (by Bob on 2021-01-04 01:37:55 GMT from United States)
For anyone using synaptic, just look at the status bar on the bottom.
On my Xubuntu: "1480 Installed"
5 • Linux Packages (by David on 2021-01-04 04:41:09 GMT from United States)
On my Crux system: 434 packages
+ a couple of other programs that I did not bother to package.
6 • No. of pkgs (by pin on 2021-01-04 05:23:22 GMT from Sweden)
680 on Void-musl and 202 on NetBSD
7 • Package Bloat (by Dr. Dave on 2021-01-04 05:30:13 GMT from United States)
How many packages are installed on my Linux system?? TOO MANY !!!
I knowingly have a lot of unused crap installed. After just now blowing thru it a bit, I was able to reduce it from 2379 to 2177-- Still too many!! I could probably get it slightly under 2000 if I devoted more time.
It's to be expected, though; the OotB convenience of MX apparently demands a certain amount of bloat.. Annoyingly, while hunting down the fluff, I discovered some peculiar dependencies. Some of the Apple / iDevice junk that comes preinstalled (for which I have no use) can't be removed without also removing Xfce's 'Power Manager' utility, as well as breaking an MX-specific meta package that seems possibly 'important'.. we'll see!!
A fun poll to remind me of how much I yearn to return to a less bloated system. It really wouldn't take THAT much work and I WOULD be happier with the user experience in the end, but ehhh-- nowadays, even though I could easily make the time to do it, I have almost zero motivation to properly rice a desktop; plenty more meaningful, non-computer things to do.
One of these days, though. Until then 2000+ packages will have to do.
8 • Number of packages (by eznix on 2021-01-04 06:57:40 GMT from United States)
The interest in the number of packages installed by any given Linux distro is utterly pointless. Each distro packages its software in slightly different ways (sometimes vastly different ways), making a direct comparison meaningless. Show me a person concerned that X distro only uses 500 packages to achieve the same result that Y distro achieves with 1500 packages, and I will show you very inexperienced user. I have the same software installed on my Debian system as I do on my Arch system. Each distro has very diffferent ways of packaging software, so the number of packages is quite different. However, both installs take up about 6Gb of hard drive space in the root partition. The number of packages means absolutely nothing.
9 • USB wear for permanent installation? (by Anon on 2021-01-04 07:16:53 GMT from United States)
Re Slackel permanent installation to USB, wouldn’t that kill the drive relatively quickly?
About a decade ago, I tried Debian (Lenny iirc) CLI netinstall on a CF card for a NAS. The non-cheapo card was toast after iirc a month or so.
10 • @ #8 Speaking in unnecessary extremes to rationalize belittling others (by Dr. Dave on 2021-01-04 08:00:49 GMT from United States)
Certainly the number of packages is not the only measure of bloat, but the value is definitely not 'utterly pointless' nor 'meaningless'.. of course, you're right about different methods resulting in a different number of packages for the same basic results, but show me a distro where you have the same software installed using only 1 package, as you would with 1500 in another and only then would I agree that it 'means absolutely nothing' .. it definitely means SOMEthing, unless you have no package management and compile 100% of the system from source.
I get your contrast of Arch vs Debian, but being that I tend to only use variants of Debian, it's pretty much an apples-to-apples comparison for me to weigh my current MX package count versus that of my previous antiX install. The antiX install took up less space BECAUSE it had less packages installed-- not because the packaging methods are vastly different from MX. Yes there are still bound to be SOME differences, but not many.
There is also the matter of additive versus subtractive customization; whether a user begins with a standard 'it just werx' release and whittles away at the bloat, to cut it down to size, or whether they begin with a minimal system and carefully install only what they need.. but I suppose that's a side issue and/or I'm just an 'inexperienced user' after 15 years of using Linux. LOL
11 • Number of packages (by Alexandru on 2021-01-04 08:53:43 GMT from Austria)
The number of packages may be misleading, because it depends on 2 important features:
1. Different packaging of the same software. In case your distribution's packagers decide to reuse as much of the code as possible, they usually end up with many tiny packages for some large software application, whose number may be well greater than 100. On the other hand, if you install the same application as snap, AppImage or something similar, it will be 1 package for the very same piece of software.
2. Pre-installed packages of your distribution. Especially if some of them are completely ignored and unused. Very seldom will somebody uninstall such packages. And if he will try, he will observe that such packages are installed as dependency of metapackage of their desktop environment, and uninstalling them will lead to uninstall whole desktop environment. That being said, there are 2 opposed strategy in providing software in distributions: minimalistic - which encourages manually installation of what you really need, and maximalistic - provide software for all common task even if you do not care about it.
Probably more relevant question would be: How many packages do you manually install after your distribution installation? I personally install less than 10 packages, but some of them (texlive-full) are metapackages, which depend on hundreds of other packages and take ~4 GB of storage when installed.
12 • Number of packages & TeXlive (by SuperOscar on 2021-01-04 09:51:57 GMT from Finland)
I voted ‘over 5,000’, wondered about that for a while, then tried `rpm -qa | egrep \^texlive | wc -l` and that gives me *3,481*. So well over a half of the installed packages on my system come from TeXlive.
13 • SystemD out of memory management (by Hank on 2021-01-04 09:58:41 GMT from France)
SystemD out of memory management problems were easily and elegantly solved by solved by installing antiX Linux which runs like lightning, Stable as the debian we once knew and Low system requirements, fantastic forum. Best of all NO System D.
14 • @9 USB wear (by Chris Whelan on 2021-01-04 09:59:52 GMT from United Kingdom)
Just for information, antiX and MX Linux limit writes when running live from USB. There are users who have had the same USB over several releases, and used daily.
CF and SD cards are generally less capable of multiple writes than USB, but seem to survive in things like the Raspberry Pi quite well.
15 • Number or packages (by James on 2021-01-04 10:23:46 GMT from United States)
There is no way to separate out system packages from user install packages, so I find the exercise totally useless.
16 • freebsd packages vs mint (by Will on 2021-01-04 10:29:05 GMT from United States)
After reading the weekly, I was curious just how many packages I had on my system(s). So, I fired up a console in FreeBSD and Linux Mint 20 and wow, massive difference. On my 6 month old FreeBSD 12.2 desktop and server, I had a measly 406 packages. Compare that with my pristine new install of Linux Mint 20, weighing in at a whopping 2009 packages, and it's no wonder my FreeBSD instance is so much cleaner and more stable. I didn't have access to my year old mint laptop or I would have checked it out, too, probably quite a few more packages, though.
17 • @15 (by pin on 2021-01-04 11:08:21 GMT from Sweden)
No, not on Linux but, on *BSD these are different things and ARE separated.
18 • Debian package count (by Head_on_a_Stick on 2021-01-04 11:32:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
@Jesse: the provided command will over-estimate the number of installed packages for a Debian-based system.
This is more accurate:
dpkg --list | grep -c '^ii'
On my system your command is out by 44 packages (2806 vs 2762).
HTH
19 • Packages and LTS (by cykodrone on 2021-01-04 12:40:47 GMT from United States)
3K+, I love fonts, so they put me up over 3K. I install everything plus the kitchen-sink (not this libsdl-kitchensink1, at least not yet), any game that looks like I might play (eventually), hack/crack tools, editors, multimedia, you name it, I got room for it, and I might use it, it gets installed. No sense letting some of these nifty packages go stale, and possibly deprecated, they're still useful and fun.
As for (free) LTS, back in the day, had better luck with Debian or Mint (yes, I know, Mint is/was based on Ubuntu, but they do custom quality control and tweaks). I found the *buntu (the offspring follow the momma distro) LTS release support to be flakey at best, and sometimes just dropping right off, even occasionally borking my install after a refresh and upgrades. Don't know what it's like now, heard the *buntus are more buggy than they used to be, especially after packing spywared. Not anti-buntu, just being honest. Some of the Arch based, etc, are rolling, perpetual bleeding edge, and never a reinstall (supposedly), but I guess that goes against the whole stable/LTS ideology. Have no clue what Debian is like now either, jumped ship and went to a no sys'd distro when the support for the last 'clean' Debian ended.
20 • # of packages (by Otis on 2021-01-04 13:54:35 GMT from United States)
First of all, thanks for the code to find that out. This Manjaro XFCE distro is home to over 1200 packages. I had no idea.
21 • Number of packages (by cor on 2021-01-04 14:16:00 GMT from United States)
My system reports 2510. I have ample memory and storage space. This is not an issue. The majority of the packages are system installed.
22 • MocaccinoOS (by OstroL on 2021-01-04 14:29:36 GMT from Poland)
"Sabayon project is rebranding to MocaccinoOS.
Migration to MocaccinoOS will work from any flavour of Sabayon, and we will keep pushing updates on the Sabayon Linux main repo until MocaccinoOS is fully bootstrapped and officially released to the world.
At the moment of writing, MocaccinoOS is not ready yet for daily usage, and we suggest you do not attempt to migrate any machine you rely upon just yet. That said, we welcome everyone to test out Mocaccino on any spare hardware you might have, or in virtual machines and provide feedback on where we might improve it."
So, it is not a young distro, but an old one, rebranding. "The new package manager, called Luet, which will eventually replace Entropy."
Maybe, we'd have to wait for a while to review MocaccinoOS, at least when there'd be a stable release.
23 • About "Opinion poll" (by Yuri on 2021-01-04 14:31:18 GMT from United States)
Hi and happy new year.
I'm interested to find out which OS use users who voted for item: "Less than 100"?
24 • 4090 packages! (by Matt on 2021-01-04 14:49:23 GMT from United States)
Debian testing on my workstation has 4090 packages installed! I use it for writing, video editing, 3D CAD, electronic circuit design, creating G-code for 3D printing, Python coding, and other stuff. I also have multiple desktop environments installed in case an system upgrade causes a problem with one.
25 • How to test pre-release distro (by Lin on 2021-01-04 15:23:53 GMT from United States)
How to test pre-release MocaccinoOS; https://community.mocaccino.org/t/welcome-to-the-pre-release-testing-category/69
26 • I just love Linux (by tom joad on 2021-01-04 16:18:45 GMT from United States)
One reason I love Linux is there is a command for discovering just about anything one needs to know about one's computer! Now that is truly open source in my humble opinion.
The Debian command I used produced a pretty normal 2101 packages on my laptop today. I would never have guessed the number would be that high. I suspect I am not alone in stating that.
Salud!
27 • Package Count (by ChocolateChipCookie on 2021-01-04 16:19:32 GMT from United States)
Wishing the options were more granular.
28 • Packages and "bloat" (by David on 2021-01-04 16:33:46 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm always surprised by people who complain their system is bloated. I have 1756 packages installed and they occupy just 9 GiB. What sort of hardware do these people have that they can't find that much storage?
29 • @16 will: (by dragonmouth on 2021-01-04 16:49:56 GMT from United States)
"Linux Mint 20, weighing in at a whopping 2009 packages"
The default install of any Ubuntu-based distro dumps close to 200 language packs, 150 font packs, hardware drivers for almost all printers, video cards, Ethernet and WiFi cards on the market. If you total up all the unneeded packages, it could be close to 400 packages, if not more. So if you uninstall the unneeded and unwanted packages, you might wind up with a little more reasonable 1700 package version of Mint.
There seem to be two philosophies among the distro packagers for default installs. Either include only enough packages to provide a running system and let the user add more packages as needed. Or include everything, including the proverbial kitchen sink and let the user uninstall any unneeded package.
30 • @28 Dave: (by dragonmouth on 2021-01-04 17:09:11 GMT from United States)
"Bloat" is a relative term. If considered as a percentage of the entire storage device, "bloat" is not a problem. With 10 TB, 12 TB HDDs available relatively cheaply today, why worry whether one has 1800 packages occupying 9 GB or 5000 packages occupying 20 GB. In either case, only a minuscule part of the HDD is taken up. However, when "bloat" is considered in terms of overall percentage of unneeded/unwanted packages then in some distros it is serious. If you use most of the packages installed by default, then you have no "bloat". If, OTOH, you only use 25% of the packages then your system is "bloated". How many language packs do you use? How many hardware drivers? How many fonts? etc, etc, etc. Every package you do not use increases the "bloat".
31 • Package Count (by JonG on 2021-01-04 17:14:25 GMT from United States)
Using Jesse's method my count was 2454, the @18 alternative was 2445 - a difference of 9.
However, from the 2400+ New Year's Resolutions I made, only 9 are left.
I guess that means Life follows Linux...
32 • Packages included for install (by Otis on 2021-01-04 17:19:08 GMT from United States)
@29 dragonmouth said, "There seem to be two philosophies among the distro packagers for default installs. Either include only enough packages to provide a running system and let the user add more packages as needed. Or include everything, including the proverbial kitchen sink and let the user uninstall any unneeded package."
Yes I've noticed that, too. At the extreme ends of those two philosophies there are itty-bitty distros vs HUGE distros. Looking them over for usability should include your hardware/storage capabilities first, imo, then your needs as you peruse the spectrum of distros between those two extremes. I've wasted a lot of time over the just trying to find a distro that "just works." I'd search on "best distro of (year I'm searching)."
33 • The kitchen sink... (by Friar Tux on 2021-01-04 17:20:00 GMT from Canada)
@29 (dragonmouth) My preference is the second option. Give me everything and let me decide what to keep and remove. This is probably because when I first switched to Linux I had no clue as to what app/program did what job. It helped that the distro I chose dumped a truckload of stuff for me to play with. I think I only removed, maybe, four or five programs that sat there for a year, never used. Oh, and I've added three programs I can't do without.
34 • Packagenumbers (by MInuxLintEbianDedition on 2021-01-04 18:08:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
On my desktop, 1922, I think I use less than half of them.
On my asus eee pc 4G boxes, getting LMDE down to less than 1100 packages was satisfying. Less than 1000 on Devuan was fun
35 • @ 29 dragonmouth (by Will on 2021-01-04 18:54:41 GMT from United States)
Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not keen on uninstalling stuff that I didn't install though - dependencies are a pain to figure out/keep track of/keep from destroying stuff.
36 • @14 antiX USB (by Anon on 2021-01-04 19:51:04 GMT from United States)
Chris Whelan, thanks for mentioning antiX. I wasn't unfamiliar with antiX/MX, but I was completely unaware at how particularly nice antiX is for USB installs. I'll likely take that route, even though I bias towards Slackware-based distros. Thanks, mate.
37 • Re: @23 • About "Opinion poll" (by Oko on 2021-01-04 23:08:54 GMT from United States)
"I'm interested to find out which OS use users who voted for item: "Less than 100"?"
OpenBSD. Admittedly, I use kerTeX instead of the official TeX Live packages
http://kertex.kergis.com/en/index.html
but other than that and having only one web browser chromium-87.0.4280.88p0 installed (Firefox and Firefox-esr run great on OpenBSD), it is a standard desktop. When I say standard desktop, I mean I (my wife and kids) print, scan, download photos, play music and movies, read books, etc. I do a lot of text editing (mathematics) but since Julia is not ported to OpenBSD I have to ssh to my FreeBSD computing node when programming. If I was not doing as much scientific computing as I am doing now I could probably get away with AWK and Perl which are in the base of OpenBSD. I also use my smartphone for work-related Zoom calls. FYI Jitsi works fine (including video) but I have to use Zoom per my employer's requirement. Google classroom if you have kids of school age works out of the box (no screen sharing)
https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/ish1yg/video_conferencing_with_openbsd/
They edit their documents in the browser. My kids do know enough TeX to write a term paper or similar but they are used to Google tools.
If you have to use Linux try Alpine. It should be about the same as OpenBSD but YMMV because of musl instead of glibc. I manage a few Alpine Xen Dom0 at work so I don't need glibc on Alpine but you will definitely need it to run desktop stuff.
38 • @35 Will: (by dragonmouth on 2021-01-05 00:28:19 GMT from United States)
Most of the time I use Debian-based distros and Synaptic package manager. It handles any dependencies flawlessly. In over 15 years I have not had any dependency uninstalled in error. I have not had the same experience with Ubuntu-based distros. When I try using Synaptic to uninstall software, it always wants to uninstall "ubuntu-minimal" and/or other system files. No biggie since I do not particularly care for *buntus. :-)
39 • @37 About "Opinion poll" (by Yuri on 2021-01-05 10:05:56 GMT from United States)
Oko, thank you very much for yoer answer.
Which DE (or WM) you usage on your OpenBSD?
40 • 35 • @ 29 dragonmouth Packages (by James on 2021-01-05 10:31:38 GMT from United States)
I also prefer a minimum install, adding only what I need. I use Ubuntu Mate, that gives you an option for both kinds of installs. I started using minimum installs on PC Linux years ago, and found I liked adding what I want better than removing what I do not want.
41 • Unwanted bloat (by cykodrone on 2021-01-05 12:03:38 GMT from Germany)
@7 First thing I do (in Synaptic), is turn off 'consider recommends as dependencies'. I also hate that I can't (surgically) uninstall unwanted bloat without its 'dependency tree' wanting to yank out half the system with it (nutty and ridiculous). When you go to the dentist, the dentist yanks out just the bad tooth, not the neighboring six teeth (3 on either side of the bad one). I mean, I could get fancy in the command line, and get some level of de-bloat satisfaction, but sometimes I just get sick of all the nonsense and just want to use my system. This is a big reason why I abandoned MS years ago, the constant maintenance, detective work, and digital surgery. I am OK with bloat that I allow, that is my pirogi.
42 • Slackware-based USB install (by whoKnows on 2021-01-05 12:53:06 GMT from Switzerland)
36 • @14 antiX USB (by Anon)
"I wasn't unfamiliar with antiX/MX, but I was completely unaware at how particularly nice antiX is for USB installs. I'll likely take that route, even though I bias towards Slackware-based distros."
Salix.
Just check the website.
43 • OS within OS (by whoKnows on 2021-01-05 13:01:20 GMT from Switzerland)
@37 • Re: @23 • About "Opinion poll" (by Oko)
"... having only one web browser chromium ... installed ... I mean I (my wife and kids) print, scan, download photos, play music and movies, read books, etc. ... I also use my smartphone for work-related Zoom calls. FYI Jitsi works fine (including video) but I have to use Zoom per my employer's requirement. Google classroom ... They edit their documents in the browser ... they are used to Google tools."
If "this was it", you need as many packages to get get audio, video and Google Chrome / Chromium running.
Chrome / Chromium is not a webbrowser - it is an "OS within OS".
There is a Chrome App for everything.
Except privacy.
44 • About drones and "Unwanted" ... (by whoKnows on 2021-01-05 14:14:42 GMT from Switzerland)
@41 • Unwanted bloat (by cykodrone)
Wrong as usual and as expected.
Less packages IS NOT neccessarily less bloat.
Just take a look at BSD. Unix (BSD) ist the best example.
Core (11 MB)
"Core is the base system which provides only a command line interface and is therefore recommended for experienced users only. Command line tools are provided so that extensions can be added to create a system with a graphical desktop environment. Ideal for servers, appliances, and custom desktops."
TinyCore (16 MB)
"TinyCore is the recommended option for new users who have a wired network connection. It includes the base Core system plus X/GUI extensions for a dynamic FLTK/FLWM graphical desktop environment."
CorePlus (106 MB)
"CorePlus is an installation image and not the distribution. It is recommended for new users who only have access to a wireless network or who use a non-US keyboard layout. It includes the base Core System and installation tools to provide for the setup with the following options: Choice of 7 Window Managers, Wireless support via many firmware files and ndiswrapper, non-US keyboard support, and a remastering tool."
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html
45 • Re:39 • @37 About "Opinion poll" (by Oko on 2021-01-05 14:30:54 GMT from United States)
Calm Window Manager (cwm) comes with OpenBSD. I used it since OpenBSD crew forked the original cwm and made it part of the Xenocara (OpenBSD fork of X.Org). FYI OpenBSD ships with the cwm, fvwm (old BSD licensed one), and twm.
46 • Re: 43 • OS within OS (by Oko on 2021-01-05 14:59:57 GMT from United States)
"If "this was it", you need as many packages to get audio, video and Google Chrome / Chromium running"
What packages? audio and video drivers are part of OpenBSD OS. OpenBSD ships with sndio. Privilege separation and enhanced security both for audio and video.
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=160918011003591&w=2
You need 100+ packages plus infamous glibc to have that on Linux.
"Chrome / Chromium is not a web browser - it is an "OS within OS"."
And the alternative is? Hearing crickets. Firefox which is also an OS within the OS with a cavitate of being designed insecurely so it can't be pledged and unveiled? Unfortunately, massive surveillance which relies on proliferation technologies like JavaScript has made use of browsers like NetSurf (my favorite) impractical.
"Except privacy"
Sadly my and I am sure your quest for privacy is about as successful as Winston Smith's quest for truth.
47 • ??? (by whoKnows on 2021-01-05 15:37:30 GMT from Switzerland)
@46 • Re: 43 • OS within OS (by Oko)
Unnecessary post, unless you misunderstood something badly.
--
"Chrome / Chromium is not a web browser - it is an "OS within OS"."
"And the alternative is? Hearing crickets. Firefox which is also an OS within the OS with a cavitate of being designed insecurely so it can't be pledged and unveiled?"
Did I ever claim anything else?
"OS within OS" means simply that there are browser apps for everything and anything.
All one needs is a running OS and a webbrowser and one can do almost anything.
--
"If "this was it", you need as many packages to get audio, video and Google Chrome / Chromium running"
"What packages? audio and video drivers are part of OpenBSD OS. OpenBSD ships with sndio. Privilege separation and enhanced security both for audio and video.
You need 100+ packages plus infamous glibc to have that on Linux."
The number (count) is irrelevant for what I said previously: "... you need as many packages to get audio, video and Google Chrome / Chromium running".
--
"Except privacy"
"Sadly my and I am sure your quest for privacy is about as successful as Winston Smith's quest for truth."
I did not say that I am looking for more nor for less privacy - I mentioned it as a simple "hard fact".
"The store" knows what App you downloaded when and where, how often did you use it and so on, and so on.
Some people can live with it, some not - I did not say I can, nor I can not.
--
So again, what did you exactly misunderstood (except all of it)?
48 • # of packages (by Otis on 2021-01-05 18:13:50 GMT from United States)
Artix 728 (after installing some needed stuff). Amazing distro. No systemd. You'll have to learn OpenRC command line stuff which veers a bit from Arch now.
49 • Nix Guru (by HortonHearsAWho on 2021-01-05 21:51:28 GMT from Germany)
Sounds more like disgruntled IT guy, fired for being a (wannabe) know it all. Some people need a fully working system with a GUI, and lots of apps. If a headless command line is your thing, good for you.
50 • PackageCount (by nanome on 2021-01-06 09:13:04 GMT from United Kingdom)
VoidLinux MUSL 64bit: I have two laptops
865 packages [308 shared libraries] XFCE4+bloat
665 packages [254 shared libraries] Openbox
both include essentials for daily work [Firefox, GCC, etc]. The "bloat" includes experiments over the years where I have installed packages and haven't deleted mess afterwards.
Interesting is the modern trend for almost every program to have its own shared library. There are many packages [eg fonts] which get dragged in silently by the package manager [xbps].
51 • Bloat (by Friar Tux on 2021-01-06 13:50:53 GMT from Canada)
While I don't really care much how many packages my distro piles into my machine (see @3), I do realise that there are a ton of I'll-never-use-this things on my laptop. The number of fonts, as mentioned elsewhere, is one. The number of background pictures, language packs, and apps/programs are another. However, if we pick one font as default to install, one language pack, one background picture, then the distro would be even more difficult to manage when you have to switch out the defaults for every country you try to release the distro in. I believe the better path is what we have presently, where we have "bloat" by default and can remove what we don't need or use.
On a side note, regarding language packs, I once removed all the packs I don't use (except UK and USA English) and when I tried to view a document with a non-Arabic/Latin script I got tons of little boxes where the letters should be. It was a nice experiment. Now I keep all the language pack that come with the distro. (Oh, at the time, I also removed all the "foreign fonts", which I now also keep.)
I also believe that with the amount of memory on today's machines, the extra packages really don't take up much space, and are basically out of the way, anyway.
52 • Packages (by Dino on 2021-01-06 14:42:51 GMT from Denmark)
On Ubuntu I have 1873, and on Debian (Testing, XFCE) around 1650 packages.
53 • Packages with Kubuntu (by Darkman on 2021-01-06 16:56:43 GMT from United States)
With a stock version of Kubuntu, I have 2,539 packages. (I've been living in a Debian/KDE world for almost 20 years now.)
54 • @51 Friar Tux: (by dragonmouth on 2021-01-06 17:18:15 GMT from United States)
"I also believe that with the amount of memory on today's machines, the extra packages really don't take up much space, and are basically out of the way, anyway. "
LOL! Then you run into a vicious circle of: Since there is now more RAM and storage available, apps run faster. But because there is more RAM and storage available cheaply, developers stuff more "features" (bloat) into apps, which makes them run slower, necessitating more RAM and storage. Rinse and repeat. Ad nauseam.
55 • Number of packages in MX Linux (by Jeff on 2021-01-06 19:54:37 GMT from United States)
If you would prefer more of a start smaller and build it up your way approach, one of the MX devs has made some base ISOs:
https://mxlinux.org/blog/mx19-3-base-4-new-isos/
I have tried it both ways and prefer build up over strip down, but seem to end up doing strip down more often because of what I start with.
My current main MX install is at about 1660 packages, but I have not really wanted to make and keep this minimal there are just some things I have no need for.
56 • choice to install big or build to suit (by Otis on 2021-01-07 14:35:26 GMT from United States)
@55 Yes we have that in the Linux world in general, but it's great to see more distros offering users those choices, not just as this or that desktop, but ISOs as small kits or nicely crafted, full featured distros.
57 • Sign of the times (by Barnabyh on 2021-01-07 16:40:24 GMT from Germany)
Quite like the idea of MX base install isos, but since when qualifies "the Fluxbox ISO uses only 260MB RAM at startup" as light? Not long ago I could run a LXDE desktop at 50 MB, admittedly on one of the cleaner distros like Slackware and Crux, and an Openbox !Bang desktop on a little over 200 with Dropbox also taking up 20 MB.
If Fluxbox didn't get a lot heavier then quite a few things are running in the background.
58 • Sign of the times (by anticapitalista on 2021-01-07 21:36:11 GMT from Greece)
@57 MX Linux has never claimed to be lightweight. Their fluxbox implementation is over xfce.
59 • bloat / language packs (by Titus_Groan on 2021-01-07 22:54:20 GMT from New Zealand)
@51: "However, if we pick one font as default to install, one language pack, one background picture, then the distro would be even more difficult to manage when you have to switch out the defaults for every country you try to release the distro in."
that is the job of the system installer. Calamares does not cut it for me.
suggest you look around at some other distros.
The install media of my preferred distro ships with more than 90 languages.
You, the installer / user, get to choose the installed langauge(s), no others are installed as default or dependencies.
Locales, more than 110, and I CAN choose more than 1 during install.
I speak English in an English speaking country, I dont want or need -zh_CN installed so choose not to install a distro that does not respect my choices. (nothing against China, personally).
Same with keyboard layouts, qwerty, azerty, who cares, lets have both installed and no others.
Timezones, lets have several enabled at once with the installer (during or after install). Local, USEastern, London, not difficult at all.
Agree with the installed fonts -hundreds included, 56MiB worth though, so maybe some bloat there, but easy enough to exclude from installation or to remove after install if I was pressed for HDD space.
But I would be in a hard place if 56MiB was going to save me!
Linux is all about choice, I have made mine.
60 • Poll missing "So many I'm constantly nagged to upgrade something inconsequential (by CS on 2021-01-07 23:13:21 GMT from United States)
Subj
61 • BLOAT (by Velho Rabujento on 2021-01-08 23:26:10 GMT from Brazil)
@59:
Yes, Titus_Groan, I also have nothing against China or any other country (including New Zealand), but I definitely do not need in my Linux installations a truckload of language-packs and keyboard-maps. This is what I call... USELESS BLOAT.
Why Linux installers are not "all about choice" as they should be?
O.K., I agree that a gazillion of pre-installed fonts is fine. Sometimes, I even install a bunch of extra fonts. This is what I call... USEFUL BLOAT.
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| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
| • Issue 1066 (2024-04-15): Fun projects to do with the Raspberry Pi and PinePhone, installing new software on fixed-release distributions, improving GNOME Terminal performance, Mint testing new repository mirrors, Gentoo becomes a Software In the Public Interest project |
| • Issue 1065 (2024-04-08): Dr.Parted Live 24.03, answering questions about the xz exploit, Linux Mint to ship HWE kernel, AlmaLinux patches flaw ahead of upstream Red Hat, Calculate changes release model |
| • Issue 1064 (2024-04-01): NixOS 23.11, the status of Hurd, liblzma compromised upstream, FreeBSD Foundation focuses on improving wireless networking, Ubuntu Pro offers 12 years of support |
| • Issue 1063 (2024-03-25): Redcore Linux 2401, how slowly can a rolling release update, Debian starts new Project Leader election, Red Hat creating new NVIDIA driver, Snap store hit with more malware |
| • Issue 1062 (2024-03-18): KDE neon 20240304, changing file permissions, Canonical turns 20, Pop!_OS creates new software centre, openSUSE packages Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1061 (2024-03-11): Using a PinePhone as a workstation, restarting background services on a schedule, NixBSD ports Nix to FreeBSD, Fedora packaging COSMIC, postmarketOS to adopt systemd, Linux Mint replacing HexChat |
| • Issue 1060 (2024-03-04): AV Linux MX-23.1, bootstrapping a network connection, key OpenBSD features, Qubes certifies new hardware, LXQt and Plasma migrate to Qt 6 |
| • Issue 1059 (2024-02-26): Warp Terminal, navigating manual pages, malware found in the Snap store, Red Hat considering CPU requirement update, UBports organizes ongoing work |
| • Issue 1058 (2024-02-19): Drauger OS 7.6, how much disk space to allocate, System76 prepares to launch COSMIC desktop, UBports changes its version scheme, TrueNAS to offer faster deduplication |
| • Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
| • Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
| • Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
| • Issue 1054 (2024-01-22): Solus 4.5, comparing dd and cp when writing ISO files, openSUSE plans new major Leap version, XeroLinux shutting down, HardenedBSD changes its build schedule |
| • Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
| • Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
| • Issue 1051 (2024-01-01): Favourite distros of 2023, reloading shell settings, Asahi Linux releases Fedora remix, Gentoo offers binary packages, openSUSE provides full disk encryption |
| • Issue 1050 (2023-12-18): rlxos 2023.11, renaming files and opening terminal windows in specific directories, TrueNAS publishes ZFS fixes, Debian publishes delayed install media, Haiku polishes desktop experience |
| • Issue 1049 (2023-12-11): Lernstick 12, alternatives to WINE, openSUSE updates its branding, Mint unveils new features, Lubuntu team plans for 24.04 |
| • Issue 1048 (2023-12-04): openSUSE MicroOS, the transition from X11 to Wayland, Red Hat phasing out X11 packages, UBports making mobile development easier |
| • Issue 1047 (2023-11-27): GhostBSD 23.10.1, Why Linux uses swap when memory is free, Ubuntu Budgie may benefit from Wayland work in Xfce, early issues with FreeBSD 14.0 |
| • Issue 1046 (2023-11-20): Slackel 7.7 "Openbox", restricting CPU usage, Haiku improves font handling and software centre performance, Canonical launches MicroCloud |
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