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1 • Ubuntu 20.10 (by vern on 2020-11-02 01:20:01 GMT from United States)
One disappointing experience with 20.10 is It no longer recognizes my USB Cannon scanner. Manjaro is still able to use it, just any Ubuntu product under 20.10, my scanner doesn't work. I've check all connected variables. I can't seem to find the culprit.
2 • Microsoft Linux Distro (by Tux Raider on 2020-11-02 02:26:12 GMT from United States)
it will be interesting to see where Microsoft goes with their distro if they do make a Linux distro
3 • Gnome 3.38 and Wayland (by Sam Crawford on 2020-11-02 02:43:49 GMT from United States)
I installed Ubuntu 20.10 with Gnome on my Dell XPS 13 9300 laptop. It's high spec'd with an 8 core I-7 processer and 32GB of ram. Ubuntu ran great with either display manager and I couldn't really tell the difference.
That said, I installed Debian Bullseye with the same version of Gnome and everything seems to run smoother. On Debian I only ran on Wayland with no issues.
I like the newest version of Gnome and found on Debian I had to install Gnome-Tweaks, that is included in Ubuntu's version. Otherwise both versions are pretty similar.
Gnome 3.38 seems ready for prime-time.
4 • Microsoft Windows on Linux Kernel (by Wedge009 on 2020-11-02 02:57:07 GMT from Australia)
I read through ESR's post, the zdnet article, as well as Jesse's Q&A analysis. I agree it sounds like a nice idea for long-term planning for Micorosft but also that it's a huge risk and investment to undertake such a project. Perhaps there is a small division of MS experimenting on this idea already, we don't know.
But the sheer volume of things tied to the Windows ecosystem leads me to agree with Jesse that - at least for the moment - MS is unlikely to be considering such a step. I was among those who made the jump from Windows 7 to Linux with the end of public support for that particular OS at the beginning of the year, and I brought my father and best friend - both reasonably tech-savvy users albeit perhaps not as keen on the details as I am - along for the ride. My brother chose to pay for Windows 10 instead.
One of the major things I see keeping Windows around is the games industry, at least relating to the majority of large developers in the market. The (over-)reliance on DirectX by many/most major PC games (and the Xbox too, I suppose), even with the emergence cross-platform Vulkan, I think it's just too big a hurdle for most studios to consider moving away from right now. Wine (and Proton) have made remarkable strides in allowing Windows-based games to run on Linux in recent years, but there are still a lot of problems such as the DRM-heavy nature of game releases today. I haven't been able to get anything besides Valve's Steam running on Linux (since only Valve was willing to make Steam cross-platform). (And even this was threatened with the push to remove 32-bit library support from mainstream distributions.)
There is still too much money to be made in keeping the games industry tied to Windows and DirectX, I think. I would love to be proven wrong, to see more Windows and/or Windows-based games move to Linux, but I just don't see it happening any time soon.
5 • 20.10 (by Tim on 2020-11-02 04:10:11 GMT from United States)
I’ve been running Ubuntu MATE 20.10 since the end of July, I can’t speak for Ubuntu proper but for me this has been a very stable and non problematic release. Were it LTS I might leave a system on it.
6 • Mandatory Subject (by Baskin Robin Williams on 2020-11-02 04:15:11 GMT from Romania)
@4:
Just as Google challenged Microsoft, just as Shuttleworth launched Ubuntu into the public eye (even a quote on The Big Bang Theory program about Ubuntu) so people could actually know about Linux, so too should a wealthy individual or company come and do three things:
1) Get behind Linux gaming for real (and not settle with WINE)
2) Promote Linux via marketing (like Firefox in the NYT, for example) efforts in mainstream mediums
3) Break the OEM market up so One Microsoft Way does not have the advantage
7 • Wayland vs. Xorg (by Linuxista on 2020-11-02 04:41:47 GMT from United States)
I would use wayland, but still no way to assign custom buttons to my mouse with libinput, so Xorg it is. Also no relief on the horizon as far as I can see.
8 • Microsoft and Lilnux (by Bobbie Sellers on 2020-11-02 05:09:03 GMT from United States)
As soon as Microsoft figures out a way to make a great deal of money out of Linux
you can expect them to try and do so.
Pushing Linux as though it were a consumer product would be futile at this point.
But MS could perfect WINE and would do as soon as it figures out a route from
your wallet to their bank account.
The MS OEM market is breaking up as we speak with Lenovo as well as
Dell among the well-known producers. Several other smaller companies
are selling at prices above the generic product their own systems with
one or another variety of Linux installed One has even setup their own
distro, PopOS.
I think that slow and steady with Linux efforts will eventually win the day
with more people becoming computer savvy enough to switch to Linux
without problems and learning to run Windows in a VirtualBox or a
similar product.
bliss - who runs PCLinuxOS 64 2020.11 with kernel 5.9.3 on used
Dell Latitude laptops but wants to remind you all that, “Any fool
can use a computer. Many do.” and I am proof,
9 • Wayland: Still not there (by SuperOscar on 2020-11-02 07:23:22 GMT from Finland)
I test Wayland sessions every now and then, but all too often I’m forced back because of quirks or just plain system freezes. It’s worse if you have an Nvidia graphics card but happens in any case if you use a DE such as KDE Plasma. Sway mostly works.
10 • Linux from MS (by Any on 2020-11-02 07:46:18 GMT from Spain)
The change does not need to be of a sudden. It could be a lengthy process. One bit of a time, step by step. They first need to learn to walk and then to run in the Linux world.
WSL, Hypervisor, Edge...
There are plenty of FOSS text editors, office suits, image editors, file explorers and so many other tools.
They just need to invent and adapt a form to have everything under their control in this new situation.
11 • Ubuntu 20.10 (by Sam on 2020-11-02 08:19:12 GMT from Switzerland)
"I'd recommend passing on this release..." yes, like any other Ubuntu non-LTS release.
12 • The disappearing connection illusion... (by Sondar on 2020-11-02 08:42:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
... may be occasional, difficult to reproduce, but infrequent? It can seem to be both hardware, esp. Intel, and distro/kernel dependent, notably in MX. Sometimes it can be induced by installing with only a wi-fi connection and later running on a wired connection, in which case, I wonder whether the 'disconnection' refers to the removed wi-fi dongle/disconnected wi-fi driver whilst the wired connection continues? For me, this has only started happening within the last year, so guessing, could it be a recent kernel feature?
13 • *** (by whoKnows on 2020-11-02 09:14:17 GMT from Switzerland)
@1 • Ubuntu 20.10 (by vern)
"One disappointing experience with 20.10 is It no longer recognizes my USB Cannon scanner."
Are you absolutely sure that it is Ubuntu and not your network issue?
Works fine here. https://ibb.co/fM0rMsS
@4 • Microsoft Windows on Linux Kernel (by Wedge009)
"I haven't been able to get anything besides Valve's Steam running on Linux ..."
https://www.feralinteractive.com/en/
I got more than few games running through WINE, but it's ultimate fiddling for the nerds.
@5 • 20.10 (by Tim)
"Were it [Ubuntu 20.10] LTS I might leave a system on it."
Who wants LTS, takes LTS, but LTS has always old software.
Where's the problem in automatic upgrades every 6 Months?
@6 • Mandatory Subject (by Baskin Robin Williams)
"1) Get behind Linux gaming for real (and not settle with WINE)
2) Promote Linux via marketing (like Firefox in the NYT, for example) efforts in mainstream mediums
3) Break the OEM market up so One Microsoft Way does not have the advantage "
1. There are ways for game developers to make "universal" games, but there's no need (market).
2% (Gamers) of 2% (Linux users) interests nobody.
2. For promotion, you need a product first. Linux is (non or partially working) "project".
3. See 2.
@8 • Microsoft and Lilnux (by Bobbie Sellers)
"I think that slow and steady with Linux efforts will eventually win the day
with more people becoming computer savvy enough to switch to Linux ..."
Not very likely to happen any time soon.
Linux is about diversity (anarchy and chaos) and it's a project.
It would take a (fully functional) product to have something to market on OEM's.
It would have to have more software for it, if it's to challenge Microsoft.
Why change to something worse, that can do less?
10 • Linux from MS (by Any)
"The change does not need to be of a sudden. It could be a lengthy process."
Very lengthy indeed.
12 • The disappearing connection illusion... (by Sondar)
"... may be occasional, difficult to reproduce, but infrequent?"
Getting any connection at all seems to be the bigger problem in my case.
I'm wondering if it has something to do with updates that we got for our gateways.
14 • MS Linux (by Commissioning Engineer on 2020-11-02 10:13:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
The problem with the idea that Microsoft will move to a Linux base will be corporate customer resistance to it. Think of the cost involved if say 1 in 10 of users in a company of 100k people generate even a single support call when they changed over. Even worse, imagine you and your colleagues find your systems do not interchange data freely and work together seamlessly during the changeover period which could easily be a couple of years in a big company.
If I was a CIO I would be telling MS that if you fundamentally change Windows you had better make sure everything we are using continues to run on it and our users had better not notice any differences that generates support work. If not there are other SW and cloud providers we can look at.
If you produce SW company yourself you would be thinking of all the work to rework your SW, especially if it uses low level functions and also how you can support legacy users.
For the above reasons I agree with Jesse that the amount of time and effort MS would have to put it to support all the old SW would make it unviable for them and customer resistance would anyway probably be too high.
Probably there would also be some public resistance. Recently I changed my partner's computer over to using Libre Office as her MSO stopped working and required a change to O365 with an annual subscription which I was not going to pay (admittedly this is because I got the MSO from the HUP program and our company has moved to O365). There was quite a lot of resistance until I pointed out that all the features she uses in MSO exist in LO and that MSO can read LO files and vice versa.
@13. The problem with 6 monthly upgrades is that your setup does not always work after them. In the last 12 months I have had to roll back updates on both Manjaro and Mint and whilst this has never happened to me before it certainly made me think about using only LTS versions of Mint.
15 • Wayland screen sharing (by Codalunga on 2020-11-02 10:30:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
My only issue with Wayland - and is a big one, as I'm a teacher who works remotely due to COVID - is that I can't seem to share single windows on Google Meet. Works just fine on X.org.
16 • Wayland vs Xorg (by Bob Blogger on 2020-11-02 10:40:59 GMT from Australia)
I don't see a huge difference between wayland and Xorg in everyday use.
Although I do know that wayland has a lot of features missing that Xorg provides. Especially from a BSD or customization standpoint.
Though in terms of code and portability I prefer wayland. It provides everything including Xorg support
17 • Game DRM (by Wedge009 on 2020-11-02 11:01:57 GMT from Australia)
@13 Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I have used Wine plenty of times - in many (not all, but many) cases it works quite well for my older games before the age of Internet-based DRM. I know of Feral's quality porting work too. The remark you quoted from me was in reference to game store fronts - Steam, Origin, Uplay, etc. I have only got Steam working on Linux and with Proton/SteamPlay I found myself buying something there instead of the DRM-free GOG.com release - it was slightly cheaper too. I'd prefer to avoid the DRM too, but with Steam making many game-related things seamless the lower cost and the benefit of Proton swayed me to go with their distribution instead. Sad as it may be to some.
18 • What about Office? (by Hail the Raspberry Pi! on 2020-11-02 11:24:46 GMT from United Kingdom)
More so than a full-fat windows on Linux, I am far more interested in having the ability to run full-fat Office on Linux.It's already ported to MacOS and there are mobile versions for Android and iOS so I don't think it would be that challenging for them to do. On the one hand it would seriously undermine Windows (almost any person I know that has a slight interest in Linux usually needs full-fat MS Office for work or college), but on the other hand their Office 365 subscription service is rather lucrative. I'm not saying it will happen, but I sure wish it did!
19 • Ubuntu 10.0: Why an EOL kernel? (by Didier Spaier on 2020-11-02 12:28:47 GMT from France)
I can understand that the Ubuntu team doesn't want to ship an LTS kernel as the next one will be 5.10, but then why ship an EOL one? I'd have expected a 5.9 instead. This being said I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu anyway, even less of Gnome, so that doesn't matter much for me. Just curious.
20 • MS and Linux (by MikeOh Shark on 2020-11-02 12:32:08 GMT from France)
It's always surprised me that people keep saying it's difficult to move to Linux after Windows. Hasn't anyone heard the screams from users of Windows Millenium, Vista, Windows 8...? People eventually find their solutions or get used to it.
I had planned to help my parents move to Linux. Step one was to get them away from IE and on to Firefox. Then away from multiple web sites for mail to Thunderbird. With LibreOffice set to save as MS formats and VLC they have a group of programs that they are familiar with and love that happen to be available on Linux. ;)
Perhaps the easier way would be for MS and HP or Dell to make a bootable flash drive for rescue to include with new computers instead of rescue partitions. By including popular programs and a way to backup settings from your Windows programs so they can be used by a rescue drive people could at least try Linux without difficulty.
21 • Ubuntu 20.10 vs LTS (by fox on 2020-11-02 12:47:20 GMT from Canada)
I recently purchased a 2019 27" iMac, and tried running both versions of Ubuntu on it. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. Things that don't run on either are the internal speakers and mic and the Broadcom internal wifi card (BCM4364). All are easily fixed with usb accessories. The display brightness keyboard key doesn't work in 20.10, but this is fixable with a small app called Brightness Controller. Neither version is able to "see" external drives plugged into one of the Thunderbolt ports, but those ports work with other peripherals attached with a usb3.1 to 3.0 adapter. But the big problem with the LTS version is that use of any more than the four usb ports causes the boot-up to freeze and if you plug in additional things to a 5th port after boot-up, then shutdown doesn't finish and you end up with roaring fans. For this reason, I use Ubuntu 20.10. Ironically, everything except the brightness keyboard key works in the much older 2011 27" iMac. I hope that Ubuntu or Debian developers eventually provide drivers for the wifi card, internal sound and mic and thunderbolt 3 ports of the newer iMacs because they are great computers for running Linux.
22 • MS Linux (by OstroL on 2020-11-02 12:52:03 GMT from Poland)
In a way, I'd welcome MS Linux. I don't really care about all those "privacy" matters most of the Linux users here cry about, which practically none of the Windows users appear to be interested. Since it arrived in the dev section, I am using MS Edge daily for work, even leaving aside Opera for a while. I don't seem to miss Opera much., by the way. MS Edge is quite fast, much faster than any other Chromium based web browser. So, if MS would create an MS Linux, it would be one of the best out there. It would be done with the community, but with a corporate plan.
Before you shout, I am a Linux user for more than 15 years. I use Windows without bias. Everything is a learning process. If anyone wants "hate," one should join a party or a "religious" corporation. :)
23 • Xubuntu 20.10 (by jan on 2020-11-02 13:33:45 GMT from Poland)
Having installed all Xubuntu versions since 15.04 up to 20.04 without any problem (Lenovo Z70 80, no HW changes since 2015, always dual boot with windows 7) I was very surprised that my Xubuntu 20.10 installer complained that it could not find the efi partition (it really was there since 2015) and that this situation was a fundamental error. Knowing that to expect different results when using the same ingredients under the same conditions is a sure sign of desperate madness, I nevertheless tried to prove that black can be white, but after two days I gave up. No amount of grub repair, partition deletion and reformat, MBR erasure, Google search, nothing worked - Xubuntu refused to install. Indeed it was a fundamental error: after 5 years of flawless use, my favorite distro tells me I and my laptop are not welcome any more. At this moment I realized that for my pc to work, I need to stop behaving like an idiot (regardless of whether I am nuts or not).
I downloaded and installed MXlinux - everything took me less than 20 minutes. Works perfectly, no mistaken conclusions or questions asked.
What I learned is that Canonical does not care too much about user experience - no amount of words can convince them that releasing half-baked products every six months, with less than enough skilled resources is a real waste and it does not contribute to the user satisfaction. It took me two days to stop ramming the wall with my head, but it seems that Canonical will never stop.
My case should also shut the mouths of all those false friendly advisers calling for less fragmentation and consolidation of the linux world. Just image where I (or You) would be left, if all things linux you could get were Canonical and Red Hat, all under the benign and all encompassing watchful monitoring by the MS Linux Foundation (a horrible perspective)?
24 • Redmond Linux (by Jerry Perkins on 2020-11-02 14:13:14 GMT from United States)
I have a disc of "redmondliuxs personal" dated October 15,2001. At that time I was a bit interested in Linux and tried MS version of Linux. You could place an order for a copy thru their web site at "www.redmondlinux.org" and support with version RC2 by email to "support@redmondlinux.org"
The last I heard about their interest I Linux was a statement saying that Linux would not last very long. JP
25 • Ubuntu 20.10 Software Manager (by dragonmouth on 2020-11-02 14:23:35 GMT from United States)
All the various Software Managers included in Ubuntu-based distros are more form than function. When and If I use an Ubuntu-based distro, one of the first things I do is to install Synaptic. It may not be glitzy and it may not show me user ratings of various packages but it is eminently more useful and functional than any Software Manager.
26 • @23:P (by dragonmouth on 2020-11-02 14:31:47 GMT from United States)
" Just image where I (or You) would be left, if all things linux you could get were Canonical and Red Hat, all under the benign and all encompassing watchful monitoring by the MS Linux Foundation (a horrible perspective)?"
FUD, You can imagine that if you are a sado-masochist. I'd rather imagine if all things Linux came from Slackware, PCLinuxOS and Arch with no corporate entanglements.
27 • the MS philosophy isn't Linux compatible (by Matt on 2020-11-02 16:21:46 GMT from United States)
I just set up a new laptop last night that dual boots Windows 10 and Debian Testing. The differences in the installation of the two operating systems are stark.
The Windows install enforces or encourages handing over an email address, phone number, syncing your files to a cloud that they own, syncing contents of your cellular telephone with their servers, opting into all sorts of privacy intrusive things like tracking your use of software, your location, browsing history and creating an advertising ID to make it easier for advertisers to track you. They also opt you in for a trial of Office 365 that comes with recurring fees if you decide to keep using it. These are the things that they make public, who knows what other things are being done by Microsoft in the background because everything is closed source.
On the other hand, the only thing the Debian installer wanted to know is if I want to participate in a package popularity contest, and the default answer selection was set as "no".
I do not see how Microsoft would do anything with Linux other than ruin it by trying to eliminate the freedom, choice, and privacy that has driven Linux development from the beginning.
28 • ubuntu 20.10 review (by random on 2020-11-02 19:18:32 GMT from Austria)
The animations can be turned off via the tweaks utility (General section).
The attaching of modal dialogs (responsible for the observed LibreOffice issue, but happens with other applications too) can be turned off via the tweaks utility too (Windows section).
29 • 227 Matt: (by dragonmouth on 2020-11-02 21:57:56 GMT from United States)
"I do not see how Microsoft would do anything with Linux other than ruin it by trying to eliminate the freedom, choice, and privacy that has driven Linux development from the beginning. "
If MS got into Linux seriously, I would expect them to try to pull the same stunt that SCO pulled, i.e. declare that they own Linux and everybody has to pay them to use it.
30 • Ubuntu dependencies (by mikef90000 on 2020-11-03 01:48:55 GMT from United States)
I've used Ubuntu for a long time and have had pretty seamless expeiences until recently.
- Around 20.04 Ubuntu started pushing gdm3 in preference to lightdm. On my servers I disable the display (login) manager to allow optional startup of a DE. When I disabled lightdm or gdm3 on Xubuntu the DE would no longer launch with startx.
- On 20.10 removing grub2 in preference to rEFInd gives me a Critical error message that I've never seen before.
Looking a lot more seriously at Debian and the like .....
31 • Switch to Linux (by whoKnows on 2020-11-03 14:51:08 GMT from Switzerland)
@20 • MS and Linux (by MikeOh Shark)
"It's always surprised me that people keep saying it's difficult to move to Linux after Windows ... I had planned to help my parents move to Linux ..."
People are saying it because it is hard. The issue is very multifaceted and it's impossible to explain it properly in a couple of sentences, but basically it comes down to two things - no Linux software and low Linux quality.
Private people mostly don't care about the OS, but about the applications they are using. Almost anybody will miss MS Office and a dozen of other applications not available for Linux. Yes, in many cases, one can replace product A with a project B, but ...
Basically all people (are lazy, you and me included, and ...) don't want to learn and get used on again some new or different stuff and prefer to stick with what they know and its (e.g.) MS Office they use in the company.
Since almost none of them are actually able to use PC at all, they have more or less often some small issues and it's much easier/cheaper for them to ask a friend, a neighbor or a colleague in the company - the probability is high that another user is using what everybody else uses and that's not Linux.
For the middle and big companies, the issue is costs, as @14 explained and then there's again, "no software issue", which would be solvable, but it produces again more costs. Developing the software for the own needs and supporting it costs a fortune - Microsoft and Oracle support prices are the real bargain in comparison.
What we have left is, very small "companies" like your doctor, lawyer or private detective - 1 person, evtl. 2 or 3 at the max. Here the problem is often that they are bound to some SW by somebody. For example: Insurance requests from the doctor to transfer the data over the "Wonder" client, which is available only for the one, most used OS. It is irrelevant if there is SW "Magic" for all platforms that could replace it, because the big company dictates the rules (== SW) to our good doctor.
Move to Linux might be easy in some cases, for nerds like we are, for the people open to experimenting, for people with low needs etc., but generally speaking, I would be surprised if somebody would claim that it's not difficult to move to Linux after Windows.
32 • Xubuntu != Canonical (by whoKnows on 2020-11-03 15:10:31 GMT from Switzerland)
@23 • Xubuntu 20.10 (by jan)
"Xubuntu refused to install ...
What I learned is that Canonical does not care too much about user experience - no amount of words can convince them that releasing half-baked products every six months, with less than enough skilled resources is a real waste and it does not contribute to the user satisfaction. It took me two days to stop ramming the wall with my head, but it seems that Canonical will never stop."
You'd better continue ramming the wall with your head for the next 2 days - because you didn't realize, that you got, what you deserve.
Xubuntu is not Canonical. It's officially supported (some funding) Community project.
If you use Ubuntu, you can make support contract and you'll get support - even if they have to fly on the other side of the world for it.
If you are not prepared to make such support contract, then it's your own fault and not Canonical's.
If you have any issue with "[Canonical] releasing half-baked products every six months", then you should add 4 more days of ramming your head against the wall.
1. You didn't have to use "half-baked" product at all - you could've stuck to LTS
2. You didn't realize that any user of "half-baked" product is a free beta tester
Canonical is generous enough to allow you to use their product and you are bitching about them letting you use it for free, and then you even choose the beta product and complain even more!!
33 • The MS philosophy is User compatible (by whoKnows on 2020-11-03 15:27:48 GMT from Switzerland)
@27 • the MS philosophy isn't Linux compatible (by Matt)
"The Windows install enforces or encourages handing over an email address, phone number, syncing your files to a cloud that they own, syncing contents of your cellular telephone with their servers, opting into all sorts of privacy intrusive things like tracking your use of software, your location, browsing history and creating an advertising ID to make it easier for advertisers to track you."
You might be right from your own perspective, or the perspective of "the 2 %", but you're completely missing the point - what you write is exactly what most users want and why do they have a PC for.
Take them Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Amazon, Zalando, OneDrive, Gmail, Gdrive, Box, DropBox, Cloud Bookmark-Sync, Cloud Backups and such away, and the most users have no more need for the "Personal Computer" at all.
34 • WOW (by Friar Tux on 2020-11-03 16:53:06 GMT from Canada)
@33 (whoKnows) Wow! Man, you could not be farther from the truth. From your list I only have Facebook and gmail (a great way to stay in touch with kinfolk). However, I use my laptop for just about everything. It is my library (books, newspapers, magazines, technical journals), recipe box, encyclopedia, writer's tool (stories, poems, articles, etc.), graphic artist's tool (painting, drawing, 'needle-work' - yup, you read that right), communications device, and much, much more. I usually spend about 15 hours a day on it. This has helped to declutter/downsize the amount of stuff I would have had to cram into my, now, small apartment (780 sq. ft.). (The Wife and I are retired, by the way. And enjoying it.)
35 • The philosophy of success (by whoKnows on 2020-11-03 17:38:20 GMT from Switzerland)
@23 • Xubuntu 20.10 (by jan)
"My case should also shut the mouths of all those false friendly advisers calling for less fragmentation and consolidation of the linux world. Just image where I (or You) would be left, if all things linux you could get were Canonical and Red Hat, all under the benign and all encompassing watchful monitoring by the MS Linux Foundation (a horrible perspective)?"
What you write is a complete nonsense.
@32 • Xubuntu != Canonical (by whoKnows) was the first reason.
Now let us take a look at the second one.
If Linux should ever become a product instead of staying the project forever, then it needs somebody who will "declare that they own Linux" (@29 • by dragonmouth).
Let me explain it only in very basic lines.
Every single thing has some advantage and also some disadvantage. The community is a Linux advantage in the way that we get hundreds of thousands 1-man shows - that bring fresh ideas and could make a successful product if it wouldn't be for its disadvantage - diversity and "fragmentation", which is actually anarchy and chaos and as long as it stays that way, Linux will never become a product, but will forever stay only a project.
Linux works like Solus: 1 guy organizes project named Solus. It gets bored and let it sink. Then it gets another "vision" and transforms it into Evolve OS, until he doesn't get bored by it and leaves the ship again. This shows us that you can't count on anything for sure under "Linux chaos & anarchy" - most of "the Linux" consists exactly of such (now you see me, now you don't) projects.
Now let's have a look where the Linux is successful and why.
It makes a great server. All top ten multibillion companies and millions of others are running on Linux.
Those biggest don't need support, they have their own support and are the biggest Linux supporters/contributors - directly or indirectly.
Android is also Linux and its successful, some will say. Yes it is and it is successful exactly and only because there is a multibillion company pushing it and taking care that fragmentation doesn't get a chance.
Chromebooks also run on some sort of Gentoo and are also successful - because the Google is behind and pushes it.
Any other really successful Linux? A bit of Red Hat and Canonical, but those are also servers for small and mid-size companies and that's why - Nope. Because none of the rest is a really fully usable product.
Each time somebody comes and tries to make a product out of a project, somebody complains about it, about the partnership with Amazon, about collecting the telemetry data, about ... you name it.
A high-class product without collecting telemetry data is not possible - one can't develop something and just hope to get a bug report of a dozen nerds - one needs a telemetry data of millions of users to be able to decide in which direction the future product should go. Everything else is gambling instead of certainty.
Software development costs money and somebody must pay for it. Why develop some function further that nobody uses? How do we know what somebody is using? Not because of a handful of bug reports.
Successful product takes a lot of preparations, planing, development time and all other kinds of resources. That can be done only by a strong company behind it.
If such strong company would make a high quality, successful product, with an aim to earn the money, but at the same time still keeping it open source, than we would get the best of both worlds. The people who want a high quality product would be able to buy it, or buy support for it, and the rest that can live with some half-baked project stuff, could still keep their diversity (and fragmentation).
With a multibillion company behind it, Linux could take the world over.
36 • Extensive vs non-extensive user of a computer (by Ted H in Minnesota on 2020-11-03 17:39:15 GMT from United States)
@34 (Friar Tux) re nr 33 WhoKnows -
[Yes, but as @33 pointed out of being a minimal computer user, you are NOT a typical Windows-only MINIMAL computer user. You are an extensive user AND a linux-nerd!
Ted MN
37 • WOW - 15 hours World of Warcraft? (by whoKnows on 2020-11-03 17:46:55 GMT from Switzerland)
@34 • WOW (by Friar Tux)
"... you could not be farther from the truth. From your list I only have ..."
"I" is your mistake. You and I are maybe sitting 15 hours behind a keyboard, maybe some other 2 % also, but that still doesn't make the "most users" and that's what we should consider.
You, me and those 2 % aren't even relevant for the statistics.
By the way, I wasn't talking about the people who make their leaving by working on PC.
38 • Xorg vs Wayland (by Nathan on 2020-11-03 18:42:19 GMT from United States)
@15 • Wayland screen sharing (by Codalunga)
"My only issue with Wayland - and is a big one, as I'm a teacher who works remotely due to COVID - is that I can't seem to share single windows on Google Meet. Works just fine on X.org."
I couldn't agree more! Same story on zoom. I'm running i3 (xorg) on one machine and sway (wayland) on another, and screenshare works out of the box on i3 but not on wayland. It seems to mostly have to do with the scope of the respective projects, though. Still, it's possible on wayland to make a virtual video device using v4l2loopback and wf-recorder, and it would be easy enough to restrict it to a single window. The result can then be shared over Zoom (and probably Google Meet) as a "webcam". Not sure of any existing projects that'll do it all for you, but the building blocks are there!
39 • Wayland & Security (by whoKnows on 2020-11-03 19:29:22 GMT from Switzerland)
@15 & @38 Xorg vs Wayland
Check this links - it'll help to find others if you're more interested on why.
Screenshot and screen sharing tools as well as XAMPP and some others would have to be rewritten to be able to work under Wayland.
It's not a bug - it's a security feature - for good or for bad.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/961967/why-dont-gksu-gksudo-or-launching-a-graphical-application-with-sudo-work-with-w
https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/#:~:text=Even%20though%20Wayland%20eliminates%20most,developed%20and%20has%20better%20extensibility.
40 • Microsoft and Xenix (by Xe NiX on 2020-11-03 22:01:03 GMT from Canada)
Xenix is a discontinued version of the Unix operating system for various microcomputer platforms, licensed by Microsoft from AT&T Corporation in the late 1970s. The Santa Cruz Operation (SCO) later acquired exclusive rights to the software, and eventually replaced it with SCO UNIX (now known as SCO OpenServer).
In the mid-to-late 1980s, Xenix was the most common Unix variant, measured according to the number of machines on which it was installed. Microsoft chairman Bill Gates said at Unix Expo in 1996 that, for a long time, Microsoft had the highest-volume AT&T Unix license.
@ #29
"I do not see how Microsoft would do anything with Linux other than ruin it by trying to eliminate the freedom, choice, and privacy that has driven Linux development from the beginning."
And, rest is ruined by linux developers themselves.
If any one ever has created a beautiful piece of work,
the beauty lies in preserving it,
not to ruin it any more.
Corporations like Microsoft have only one and the one interest with Open Source.
Second is patent troll on Open Source Codes, owning individual contributors work.
41 • @23 (jan of Poland) (by Stefan on 2020-11-03 22:59:22 GMT from Brazil)
Your frustration with Xubuntu 20.10 seems to be even bigger than my deception with the bug-ridden Windows '98 SE. But I say it's WONDERFUL because led you to conclude that your hardware didn't deserve such a high level of humiliation. Trying a first class distro (MX Linux), instead of another half baked 'buntu, is a proof that you are now acting with more respect for yourself. So I rejoice and CONGRATULATE you.
By the way, I had the same bad feeling the last time a virus made my Windows XP unbootable and then I decided to install Linux many years ago... (What a glorious day!) And the rest is history.
If you accept a suggestion to make you happier this week, take a look at the latest edition of GhostBSD, with MATE desktop environment. This is a very special kind of BSD, since it's the only one I can call "a true rival for Linux". Beautiful, stable, and user-friendly. Xubuntu has no chance against such a valuable system with the DNA of FreeBSD.
42 • @31: (by dragonmouth on 2020-11-03 23:51:15 GMT from United States)
You are wrong. For someone who is completely computer illiterate Linux is no harder to learn than Windows. What IS hard for the "let me try Linux" dilettantes is to UNlearn all the habits they picked up using Windows. They want Linux to work, look and feel just like Windows. Those who really want to switch to Linux, have no problems learning it.
"Developing the software for the own needs and supporting it costs a fortune - Microsoft and Oracle support prices are the real bargain in comparison."
There is only one problem with your declaration. MS and Oracle provide the same standardized software to all their customers. They WILL NOT provide software that is
customized to a customer's specific needs and circumstances. Nor will they allow the customer to in any way change MS and Oracle software. So the companies either must settle for one-size-fits-all software or must spend a "fortune" on developing and maintaining their own frontends and backends for the standard software provided by MS and Oracle. In addition to spending money on developing their own software, these companies must pay licensing and maintenance fees to MS and Oracle. The bottom line is that dealing with MS and Oracle (and most other software houses) is NO bargain.
43 • Linux, have no problems learning it (by Xe Nix on 2020-11-04 00:26:12 GMT from Canada)
Those who really want to switch to Linux, have no problems learning it.
But most of the *nix users have developed the habbit of lurking instead of learning.
In past I have tried all most all *nix flavors, and really picked-out some thing good.
Real crap-garbage just thrown in to trash.
But, if any one who has bad syndrom of "lurking" might get badly hurt,
if any package just downloaded to get know how, and thrown into trash.
For those who are complaining about *buntu should always keep in mind that *buntus are based on Debian, and Debian can be re-mastered better than *buntus.
All the missing information from published manual are already out-there.
Only thing is one is not looking at. If it is followed will definitely lead you extactly where you wanna be.
There is a reason for no-firewalls, and running distro with avahi, bbc-config,
cups-ftpd, dropbear, samba and YASSM. All doors for lurking is already kept already open, as far as I know. If you get the message at-least you got all.
44 • Literate illiterates ... will and costs (by whoKnows on 2020-11-04 06:07:06 GMT from Switzerland)
@42 • @31: (by dragonmouth)
Unfortunately, you are wrong.
Your statement is absolutely correct, but your conclusion is wrong because of wrong premises. We know that from "the law of logics".
The point here is that "Those who really want to switch to Linux, have no problems learning it" nobody really wants to switch in the first place. Why to switch to something inferior?
Most people don't work with a Kernel, nor with an OS, they don't even know what OS they exactly have installed - they work with their Applications. If the desired application works, they don't have to learn at all since Telegram, Skype ... client (e.g.) will behave the same way in Linux, Mac and Windows.
When they have to use LO instead MSO, the problem becomes more obvious. Instead of practical and modern ribbons, they end up in some "2000's menu", "save" doesn't work anymore - they have to explicitly choose save and then as .docx, functions of LO itself are different ... and people still don't want to change the OS, nor they want to learn another replacement application.
You are right on - it doesn't matter what OS or application one uses, as long as it looks and behaves exactly like MS, Adobe ...
It seems like you misunderstood "developing the software" issue.
One purely fictional example:
I'm opening the "Greatest Design" Company. I can take Windows 10 or I can take Ubuntu LTS. No other Linux is good enough for professional use.
Now, if I take Windows, all I have to do is get MS and Adobe support contract. For me and my 10 ~ 12 people I need to count with some $300 per workstation for MS and $50 per workstation and month for Adobe. All in all - bargain. Peanuts.
If I take Ubuntu, beside making a Canonical Support contract, I must also find somebody who is able to produce me a software which is matching Adobe Design suite and it has to be continuously developed further and maintained for many years to come too. Cheaper with Ubuntu?
Also don't forget that my development has to be 100 % compatible in every single function and format - I have to work with the rest of the world and one file must be 100 % interchangeable, in 100 % of cases!
This is the problem that the whole planet is facing and while it can/could work in some rare cases, it doesn't work for the most.
That's the main problem why the whole world is using Windows. Reasoning that "They WILL NOT provide software that is customized to a customer's specific needs and circumstances" is false because they don't need to - they already have the highest quality software that evolved over many years and sometimes even decades and I'll adjust my workflow if some small issue appears.
As seen in my example above, those costs are a joke in comparison to what would it cost me to develop it for myself, just because I choose to use OS without a software.
We know of few examples like https://itsfoss.com/vicenza-windows-zorin/, but what we don't know is what exact software needs they had, what they had to develop on their own, how many percent of that infrastructure is actually purely Linux only and how many virtualized Windows installation they had to keep because of lack of proper applications ... we don't even know if they are actually using it at all - pilot project could've stay pilot forever and for the serious work, they maybe still use the serious products. That's why München is abandoning Linux.
I was personally involved in such big IT Windows-free project. Windows-free is what you later got to read in the newspapers, but they somehow forgot to mention that if I turn off all the Windows VMs, the system would collapse.
So, yeah ... I get it that many here don't get it. It's complicated.
But ... thankfully the things are slowly getting better. More and more things are moving to the cloud and more and more applications are becoming nothing more than a web client. Operating systems are getting less and less important.
45 • MS Linux (by OstroL on 2020-11-04 15:24:43 GMT from Poland)
Still using MS Edge dev for Linux, and liking it. It'll be nice to have an MS Linux distro. Why not? it is all about diversity.
Oh, I can hear the rumblings... :)
46 • @45: (by dragonmouth on 2020-11-04 20:02:54 GMT from United States)
There's diversity and then there is balkanization.
47 • Ubuntu 20.10 (by PC4Life on 2020-11-04 22:53:29 GMT from United States)
I would not expect any modern OS to run well with those 2011 AMD hardware specs used for the review. Is that common for these reviews?
48 • Hardware (by Jesse on 2020-11-04 23:13:51 GMT from Canada)
@47: "I would not expect any modern OS to run well with those 2011 AMD hardware specs used for the review."
Why not? Virtually every other distribution runs fine on this same hardware. Linux Mint, which shares a common base with Ubuntu runs well. Even Pop!_OS 20.10, which uses the same packages, kernel, and desktop environment, runs beautifully on this same equipment. Ubuntu is rare in that it gives poor performance on this hardware while other distros in its same family (Ubuntu MATE, Pop!_OS, Mint, etc) run smoothly.
I'd like to also point out that my resource requirements (CPU, memory, disk) are all lower now than they were five or six years ago. Software is not taking up more resources over time like it did back in the 90s. Most distributions are trying to get lighter to work on platforms like the PinePhone, not heavier.
49 • Wayland (by Cheker on 2020-11-05 01:44:32 GMT from Portugal)
I've been playing around with Fedora 33 on a VM as I read a book on it and Wayland has been smooth thus far. That said, it being a VM, I don't know how much this anecdotal experience is worth in the grand scheme of things.
50 • "Diversity" ... (by whoKnows on 2020-11-05 17:23:54 GMT from Switzerland)
@45 • MS Linux (by OstroL) & @46 • @45: (by dragonmouth)
Let me show you something.
https://ibb.co/PQVKWS5
https://ibb.co/4VLst5r
https://ibb.co/tDrWZTs
https://ibb.co/9VrG8Gs
https://ibb.co/jzZK1GY
https://ibb.co/8PS9xwW
What you see here is one (1) and the (EXACT) same file open in 2 (3) text editors.
You see Geany and Gedit (and Notepadqq) in Ubuntu 20.04.1/Zorin 15.3, Fedora 33.
Please watch the path /usr/share/backgrounds/lis_dynamic/ closely - the images are big enough.
If somebody can't see or doesn't understand the importance of the problem:
PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT!
What we can see here is the following:
There is one path .../lis_dynamic/... which is obviously NOT the same as .../lis dynamic/...
Underline shows up in Gedit (and Notepadqq), but not in Geany!
If we copy that "no underline" path from Geany to Gedit (and Notepadqq), we will again have one "underline"!
Will say, the underline is actually all the time there, but invisible/"hiding".
And the Geany itself is not broken.
https://ibb.co/CJz9ySR
One in a million similar examples.
Some people say: "It's always surprised me that people keep saying it's difficult to move to Linux ..." or they say "Linux is good for developers", or simply ask "Why not Linux?" and I can only repeat: "Linux is a project and not a product" ("project" to avoid calling it by the name) or "Linux is unsuitable for serious work".
Linux as is right now, is gambling - one never knows if it'll still work tomorrow.
Linux has "diversity" created by some hobbyists, a broken essential concept (repositories with their "dependency hell") and no multibillion company behind it to quit that "democratizing" and put the things in (the right) their place.
All of it would be easily solvable, but the will (and somebody with a fat wallet) is missing.
Most of us here now how installing one small KDE program under Gnome (or vice versa) can pull half a GB or more of dependencies; how uninstalling a couple of KB xawtv would uninstall X-server a couple of years ago, how uninstalling python, uninstalls Ubuntu ...
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383588
We all know that Linux upgrade seldom works without problems, but Windows XP / Vista / Windows 7 / Windows 8 / Windows 8.1 / Windows 10 / and every six months a new Windows 10 version, works without any bigger issues, and we also know that using a 5, 10, 15 or 20 years old program in Windows 10 is in 98+ % cases possible without any problems, but in Linux we can't even expect a current version to work properly.
Changing the update/upgrade to the one that is similar to the one of Windows would solve the problem and one could finally start working and stop fixing.
I am for the diversity, but that does not imply the blindness and the stupidity, and does not exclude the sanity. One has to look for the good and for the bad side of each thing.
I love Linux and I'm using it for some two decades already and I'm sad to see it declining from year to year.
In my opinion, the best thing that could ever happen to Linux would be if some multibillion company "Imagination" would take it over and clean up the existing chaos. They could make a 1st class product out of the (free) community ideas and sell it (with support) to the companies, but let it open source and open for fiddlers to fiddle (and bring in fresh and (again free) new ideas).
Example on Gnome (but it could also be a KDE ... or Vision ... or ...):
We decided to use Gnome3 as our main GUI. In our repository is only the Gnome3 and independent "known working" SW. In our "diversity" repository, you (which you can and MUST add yourself) can enjoy your full "freedom and diversity", but without a warranty that it'll work (== or with breakage warranty; as it is right now).
That way, we could have the best of both worlds - finally a useful product and a never ending project at the same time. Win-win for all.
Diversity is great - if it works!
51 • Whoops... (by Friar Tux on 2020-11-05 20:48:18 GMT from Canada)
@50 (whoknows) You almost had me convinced you knew what you were talking about, until you said "We all know that Linux upgrade seldom works without problems, but Windows XP / Vista / Windows 7 / Windows 8 / Windows 8.1 / Windows 10 / and every six months a new Windows 10 version, works without any bigger issues,". Whoops. Nope, my friend, it is the other way around. I was an avid MSWindows fan until Windows 10. I even enjoyed Windows 8/8.1 as I remember 3.1 and found 8.1 to be a modernized version of it. HOWEVER, Windows 10 is a broken mess that has turned many to Linux and/or Apple. It is Linux that, in my EXPERIENCE, has issue-free updates/upgrades. With Windows, you gamble with what will work and what will not after a lengthy update, and at times, multiple reboots. I have not had an issue with Linux (Mint, specifically) in four whole years on two laptops. And you know from a previous comment how much time I spend on my laptop. The other laptop is The Wife's.)
Also, while a one multibillion dollar company may steer OS development on, maybe, a smoother course, it has disadvantages that most of us Linux users are against. The development will be steered according to the wishes of said company/owner not the wishes of the user - Microsoft being the best example, here. Yes, Linux development is fragmented and we occasionally re-invent the wheel, but it is far better this way with multiple distros, init systems, etc., etc.. I see it as going into an ice cream shop. I like a certain mix of flavours. The Wife likes another certain mix. We pick and choose want we want and come out happy. In the MS ice cream shop you get what they give you. If you don't like the taste - tough luck. We, both, have found Linux to be a great product - not project - as it has helped us get our work down in a timely, efficient manner - unlike Windows - which proved to be a big pain where the sun don't shine.
52 • @50 whoknows? (by dragonmouth on 2020-11-05 23:28:23 GMT from United States)
"We all know that Linux upgrade seldom works without problems, but Windows XP / Vista / Windows 7 / Windows 8 / Windows 8.1 / Windows 10 / and every six months a new Windows 10 version, works without any bigger issue"
As soon as someone says "We all know" I know that it definitely ain't so. The speaker is trying to claim that his opinion is THE ONE AND ONLY opinion and that EVERYBODY shares it. The apocryphal ALL and EVERYBODY cannot agree on whether the water is wet or that sky is blue and you claim that they agree on Windows vs Linux???!!! Of all the infernal chutzpah!
I have been using Linux just about as long as you and have used about 30 or 40 distros. Some I liked better than others. Some were easier to use than others. All distros had their individual quirks. But, like FriarTux, I never had problems with updates/upgrades with any distro.
Windows, OTOH, is another story. Every time MS forces an update on the users, within hours there are posts on various Windows forums complaining that the update broke this or that or even bricked the PC. Within days there are articles on various sites decrying the latest problems and suggesting possible solutions. Unfortunately, considering the MS corporate policies and culture, there is no permanent solution other than to switch to another O/S.
Did you ever consider that it is you, not Linux, that is the cause of all your update/upgrade problems?
53 • @#50 Diversity is great - if it works! (by Xe Nix on 2020-11-06 00:17:15 GMT from Canada)
Diversity is great - if it works!
Only, and, only "The Linux" is the Best.
10 out of 10.
The main reason I moved on to FreeBSD is, I still have -i386 machine which is fully functional.
ATM, I am using light-weight linux distro on same -i386 machine, which also works like a charm and lightening-fast. Further more I do not have much requirements from the machines neither I am gonna upgrade. And, FreeBSD adopted the hardware like charm, while on linux choices are slimmed to a straw.
54 • @51 & @52 (by whoKnows on 2020-11-06 07:48:01 GMT from Switzerland)
Every OS can break during the upgrade, but it comes down to understanding of what got broken and why, and the forums of all OS are always full of "heeelp" calls with or without update & upgrade issues, sometimes because something really got screwed up, but usually because "users" are and were not able to use their PCs.
I'll never forget the panicked face of my friend after his try to remove xawtv, that removed him the basic system components. The issue got fixed in the meanwhile, but nevertheless...
Maybe "We all know" was not precise enough, maybe I should have said: "All who use the OS long enough AND really understand what their OS is doing, AND who tried enough different OS's, AND during the decades, AND..." - Yes, "We all know". ;)
Those who don't, shouldn't discuss - as always.
One has to understand and differentiate what caused upgrades to fail. Most failed Windows upgrades failed on: A) private peoples computers (not knowledgeable users) and B) because of some AV-Programs and some OEM components with some strange drivers.
In almost all cases Windows upgrades always work.
Compare that to @14 • @13 (by Commissioning Engineer), or Mint 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 Upgrade. You've got little chance that it'll work at all, let alone without a problem. And I'm not even taking into account, what if you have some 20 PPA's installed.
Or make a Manjaro test installation. Install OS, make an image and let it stay for a couple of years. Then take it out, put the image back and try to upgrade it to the last stand. Wish you luck. Don't even want to know what about AUR - even a "simple" updates break more often than not - and you also spend half a day waiting while it compiles.
I can take any old Vista image and bring it to 10 with 99+ % certainty that "it'll just work".
In Linux, upgrades are complicated, time-consuming and brake much more stuff than in Windows - in rare cases when Windows upgrade fails, the system will usually stay in the state it was before the upgrade and almost everything will still work as it worked before - in Linux, one will end up in front of a black screen - on a Terminal prompt.
The reason why the Linux updates and upgrades are worse is simple - because of its bad basic concept - repositories and collection of single shared packages, which different programs share among each other. This can screw up not only one or two applications, but the whole bunch of stuff, the whole system. That's the same reason why one can't install anything freely under Linux, but it can install only what is allowed. That's also why we get that desperate try to save the day with some Snaps, Flatpaks and AppImages, but again - multiple formats and again with "1001" issue on their own - if and when they work at all.
ksnip AppImage works in Ubuntu, Fedora ... and it won't start in my Slackware. Universal format or not universal? What now?
"Did you ever consider that it is you, not Linux, that is the cause of all your update/upgrade problems?"
Yes - I did. It was always Linux concept.
"I am for the diversity, but that does not imply the blindness and the stupidity, and does not exclude the sanity. One has to look for the good and for the bad side of each thing."
55 • MS vs. Must (by whoKnows on 2020-11-06 08:01:24 GMT from Switzerland)
52 • @50 whoKnows? (by dragonmouth)
"Every time MS forces an update on the users, within hours there are posts on various Windows forums complaining that the update broke this or that or even bricked the PC. Within days there are articles on various sites decrying the latest problems and suggesting possible solutions. Unfortunately, considering the MS corporate policies and culture, there is no permanent solution other than to switch to another O/S."
Does that surprise you?
Windows runs on billions of devices from all possible HW manufacturers and with almost all sorts of SW existing.
And once more for all and everybody:
MS DOES NOT force you to update or upgrade - they are "pushy", but:
1. You don't "MUST" update or upgrade ever - you'll just have unsecured PC
2. One can turn off all of those "pushy" stuff off in Windows settings.
My Windows 10 is exactly as "pushy" as my Ubuntu, Mint and Fedora.
The only difference - it's more reliable.
56 • MS Linux (by OstroL on 2020-11-06 09:09:55 GMT from Poland)
@ 50,
"We all know that Linux upgrade seldom works without problems..."
Maybe, because you are using Gnome 3 and most probably with Ubuntu. :)
It doesn't happen with Kubuntu.
After more than 15 years using Linux, I can't say I love Linux. I like Linux, and that's about it. I also time to time use Windows 10, sometimes for few months, just to see how it works. On that note, I can honestly say that I'd welcome MS Linux. And, it'll be a good thing, distancing the megalomaniac MacOS.
57 • "It doesn't happen with Kubuntu." (by whoKnows on 2020-11-06 09:56:18 GMT from Switzerland)
56 • MS Linux (by OstroL)
Just because you didn't experience it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Are you IT-Professional dealing with users problems, the whole day, every day?
Actually, I had more Manjaro and OpenSuSe and anything KDE/Plasma in my mind.
"My mind simply cannot reconcile with breakages and compatibility issues."
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/plasma-5-19.html
"Upgrade process - Not the smoothest."
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/asus-vivobook-upgrade-kubuntu-bionic-focal.html
"Thus we end up here, and I'm ... torn."
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/plasma-desktop-adventures.html
. . .
It's EVERY Linux ... Check again the images in @50 and tell me how can I start, let's say a new, big website project and count that I'll be able to finish it on time if I rely on Linux QA?
A couple of years ago, when I was giving courses, I even recommended students using Fedora / Ubuntu and Geany IDE as alternative.
Thankfully they didn't join "The 2 % Club", because otherwise, I wouldn't only feel stupid, but guilty too.
EVERY OS has some issues, but the fact is, that some have many more issues than the others and it makes me sad, when my favorite has the most.
58 • Anything MS (by Dave Postles on 2020-11-06 13:07:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
I come here for information about BSD, Linux and OpenSource. I don't want to tackle the stuff about anything Apple or Microsoft. I'd prefer not to have to assess whether a post is about BSD/Linux or Apple/MS.
59 • Re: Anything MS (by Friar Tux on 2020-11-06 17:00:49 GMT from Canada)
@58 (Dave) If you want info, go to the main DW page. Info galore. Here, we bicker and complain and express our passions. Here we don't always agree so you will get opinions as opposed to info (though there may be smatterings of info interjected). Also, there are a lot of Linux magazine type sites you can read on the web - a few of my favourites are 'Dedoimedo', 'Linux Links', 'Ars Technica'... there are many more. Also go to the individual OS blogs and forums. Not here. This place is like an old Norse Viking banquet table where we expound the virtues of our favourite weapons and club each other over the head with said weapon to prove our point, but no serious killing, though.
By the way, speaking of reading, @55 (whoKnows) have you got a blog or website up? I'd be interested to read more.
60 • x.org vs wayland (by Jeff on 2020-11-06 17:08:56 GMT from United States)
As far as I can tell the X.Org devs see Wayland as the replacement and have given up on X.Org years ago.
As proof you only need to look at the fixed 96 DPI in x.org which has been reported as a over 10 years ago and answered as notabug and wontfix.
The X.Org devs seem to believe that if you are not using an old 96 DPI CRT monitor you should be using Wayland.
61 • @ 57 (by OstroL on 2020-11-06 21:10:48 GMT from Poland)
It is just dedoimedo's opinon, so?
62 • Opinion or the fact? (by whoKnows on 2020-11-06 21:14:56 GMT from Switzerland)
@59 • Re: Anything MS (by Friar Tux)
"By the way, speaking of reading, ... (whoKnows) have you got a blog or website up? I'd be interested to read more."
Not enough time for everything - it just happened that I had a few days free and tried to "think different" here - for good or for bad.
I tried to give you one more reading, but the filters didn't let me write - that must be that "free speech" filter. ;)
Please check it here:
https://gofile.io/d/edOORw
@61 • @ 57 (by OstroL)
Nope. All others abandoned KDE. ;)
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| • Issue 1099 (2024-12-02): AnduinOS 1.0.1, measuring RAM usage, SUSE continues rebranding efforts, UBports prepares for next major version, Murena offering non-NFC phone |
| • Issue 1098 (2024-11-25): Linux Lite 7.2, backing up specific folders, Murena and Fairphone partner in fair trade deal, Arch installer gets new text interface, Ubuntu security tool patched |
| • Issue 1097 (2024-11-18): Chimera Linux vs Chimera OS, choosing between AlmaLinux and Debian, Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition, Fedora previews new installer, KDE testing its own distro, Qubes-style isolation coming to FreeBSD |
| • Issue 1096 (2024-11-11): Bazzite 40, Playtron OS Alpha 1, Tucana Linux 3.1, detecting Screen sessions, Redox imports COSMIC software centre, FreeBSD booting on the PinePhone Pro, LXQt supports Wayland window managers |
| • Issue 1095 (2024-11-04): Fedora 41 Kinoite, transferring applications between computers, openSUSE Tumbleweed receives multiple upgrades, Ubuntu testing compiler optimizations, Mint partners with Framework |
| • Issue 1094 (2024-10-28): DebLight OS 1, backing up crontab, AlmaLinux introduces Litten branch, openSUSE unveils refreshed look, Ubuntu turns 20
| | • Issue 1093 (2024-10-21): Kubuntu 24.10, atomic vs immutable distributions, Debian upgrading Perl packages, UBports adding VoLTE support, Android to gain native GNU/Linux application support |
| • Issue 1092 (2024-10-14): FunOS 24.04.1, a home directory inside a file, work starts of openSUSE Leap 16.0, improvements in Haiku, KDE neon upgrades its base |
| • Issue 1091 (2024-10-07): Redox OS 0.9.0, Unified package management vs universal package formats, Redox begins RISC-V port, Mint polishes interface, Qubes certifies new laptop |
| • Issue 1090 (2024-09-30): Rhino Linux 2024.2, commercial distros with alternative desktops, Valve seeks to improve Wayland performance, HardenedBSD parterns with Protectli, Tails merges with Tor Project, Quantum Leap partners with the FreeBSD Foundation |
| • Issue 1089 (2024-09-23): Expirion 6.0, openKylin 2.0, managing configuration files, the future of Linux development, fixing bugs in Haiku, Slackware packages dracut |
| • Issue 1088 (2024-09-16): PorteuX 1.6, migrating from Windows 10 to which Linux distro, making NetBSD immutable, AlmaLinux offers hardware certification, Mint updates old APT tools |
| • Issue 1087 (2024-09-09): COSMIC desktop, running cron jobs at variable times, UBports highlights new apps, HardenedBSD offers work around for FreeBSD change, Debian considers how to cull old packages, systemd ported to musl |
| • Issue 1086 (2024-09-02): Vanilla OS 2, command line tips for simple tasks, FreeBSD receives investment from STF, openSUSE Tumbleweed update can break network connections, Debian refreshes media |
| • Issue 1085 (2024-08-26): Nobara 40, OpenMandriva 24.07 "ROME", distros which include source code, FreeBSD publishes quarterly report, Microsoft updates breaks Linux in dual-boot environments |
| • Issue 1084 (2024-08-19): Liya 2.0, dual boot with encryption, Haiku introduces performance improvements, Gentoo dropping IA-64, Redcore merges major upgrade |
| • Issue 1083 (2024-08-12): TrueNAS 24.04.2 "SCALE", Linux distros for smartphones, Redox OS introduces web server, PipeWire exposes battery drain on Linux, Canonical updates kernel version policy |
| • Issue 1082 (2024-08-05): Linux Mint 22, taking snapshots of UFS on FreeBSD, openSUSE updates Tumbleweed and Aeon, Debian creates Tiny QA Tasks, Manjaro testing immutable images |
| • Issue 1081 (2024-07-29): SysLinuxOS 12.4, OpenBSD gain hardware acceleration, Slackware changes kernel naming, Mint publishes upgrade instructions |
| • Issue 1080 (2024-07-22): Running GNU/Linux on Android with Andronix, protecting network services, Solus dropping AppArmor and Snap, openSUSE Aeon Desktop gaining full disk encryption, SUSE asks openSUSE to change its branding |
| • Issue 1079 (2024-07-15): Ubuntu Core 24, hiding files on Linux, Fedora dropping X11 packages on Workstation, Red Hat phasing out GRUB, new OpenSSH vulnerability, FreeBSD speeds up release cycle, UBports testing new first-run wizard |
| • Issue 1078 (2024-07-08): Changing init software, server machines running desktop environments, OpenSSH vulnerability patched, Peppermint launches new edition, HardenedBSD updates ports |
| • Issue 1077 (2024-07-01): The Unity and Lomiri interfaces, different distros for different tasks, Ubuntu plans to run Wayland on NVIDIA cards, openSUSE updates Leap Micro, Debian releases refreshed media, UBports gaining contact synchronisation, FreeDOS celebrates its 30th anniversary |
| • Issue 1076 (2024-06-24): openSUSE 15.6, what makes Linux unique, SUSE Liberty Linux to support CentOS Linux 7, SLE receives 19 years of support, openSUSE testing Leap Micro edition |
| • Issue 1075 (2024-06-17): Redox OS, X11 and Wayland on the BSDs, AlmaLinux releases Pi build, Canonical announces RISC-V laptop with Ubuntu, key changes in systemd |
| • Issue 1074 (2024-06-10): Endless OS 6.0.0, distros with init diversity, Mint to filter unverified Flatpaks, Debian adds systemd-boot options, Redox adopts COSMIC desktop, OpenSSH gains new security features |
| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
| • Issue 1066 (2024-04-15): Fun projects to do with the Raspberry Pi and PinePhone, installing new software on fixed-release distributions, improving GNOME Terminal performance, Mint testing new repository mirrors, Gentoo becomes a Software In the Public Interest project |
| • Issue 1065 (2024-04-08): Dr.Parted Live 24.03, answering questions about the xz exploit, Linux Mint to ship HWE kernel, AlmaLinux patches flaw ahead of upstream Red Hat, Calculate changes release model |
| • Issue 1064 (2024-04-01): NixOS 23.11, the status of Hurd, liblzma compromised upstream, FreeBSD Foundation focuses on improving wireless networking, Ubuntu Pro offers 12 years of support |
| • Issue 1063 (2024-03-25): Redcore Linux 2401, how slowly can a rolling release update, Debian starts new Project Leader election, Red Hat creating new NVIDIA driver, Snap store hit with more malware |
| • Issue 1062 (2024-03-18): KDE neon 20240304, changing file permissions, Canonical turns 20, Pop!_OS creates new software centre, openSUSE packages Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1061 (2024-03-11): Using a PinePhone as a workstation, restarting background services on a schedule, NixBSD ports Nix to FreeBSD, Fedora packaging COSMIC, postmarketOS to adopt systemd, Linux Mint replacing HexChat |
| • Issue 1060 (2024-03-04): AV Linux MX-23.1, bootstrapping a network connection, key OpenBSD features, Qubes certifies new hardware, LXQt and Plasma migrate to Qt 6 |
| • Issue 1059 (2024-02-26): Warp Terminal, navigating manual pages, malware found in the Snap store, Red Hat considering CPU requirement update, UBports organizes ongoing work |
| • Issue 1058 (2024-02-19): Drauger OS 7.6, how much disk space to allocate, System76 prepares to launch COSMIC desktop, UBports changes its version scheme, TrueNAS to offer faster deduplication |
| • Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
| • Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
| • Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
| • Issue 1054 (2024-01-22): Solus 4.5, comparing dd and cp when writing ISO files, openSUSE plans new major Leap version, XeroLinux shutting down, HardenedBSD changes its build schedule |
| • Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
| • Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
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