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1 • minix (by vern on 2020-08-17 00:09:12 GMT from United States)
I haven't run minix in years. I enjoyed trying to get the thing to work correctly.
Its interesting how many old distro that are not here anymore, that I enjoyed playing around with.
These days I prefer stability over experimenting.
2 • Minix (by bison on 2020-08-17 00:31:54 GMT from United States)
I like Minux a lot, but as far as I know they never succeeded in getting a modern web browser running on it. Back around 2007 they were trying to port Firefox, but Minux's lack of virtual memory (at the time; I don't know about now) was a problem.
3 • Everyone with an Intel CPU is running MINIX (by denPes on 2020-08-17 00:35:29 GMT from Belgium)
Everyone that runs an Intel CPU, that features the Intel management system, is running Intel's own fork of Minix (Since that is always running in the background).
I unfortunately have 1 PC and one laptop with an Intel CPU, so I voted: I run an install of MINIX.
4 • Minix (by Al on 2020-08-17 00:48:59 GMT from United States)
I thought the design and philosophy of Minix were really interesting. Unfortunately progress seems to have stalled... Another one bites the dust
5 • Minix (by DaveW on 2020-08-17 01:11:37 GMT from United States)
I have an 8-year old computer with an Intel Core I5 3550 CPU. The Intel specs page doesn't mention a Management Engine, so I have to assume no Minix.
6 • minix (by Friar Tux on 2020-08-17 01:15:54 GMT from Canada)
Like Vern (@1), above, I once played with it. That was a long, long time ago. Can't remember much about it. Now-a-days, I don't believe it's on my laptop as I run AMD. And, like Vern, at this age, I, too, prefer stability on my main machine. I do have a machine for messing with distros, but that's getting fewer and farther between.
7 • @5 (by Ben888 on 2020-08-17 02:13:26 GMT from Canada)
The ME engine run in the chipset of the motherboard not into the cpu... Check your chipset instead...
8 • Intel and MINIX (by Wedge009 on 2020-08-17 03:16:12 GMT from Australia)
I worked with MINIX in the early 2000s as part of my university course on operating systems but I don't recall actively using it since.
The situation with Intel using MINIX in the way described here doesn't sound nice but if Jesse's analysis is accurate it sounds like there's nothing technically wrong beyond not clearly showing the licence.
9 • minix (by Ciscoer on 2020-08-17 05:49:22 GMT from United States)
I only use AMD for my DT & LT. Android for the rest. AMD's the best all around.
10 • zenwalk (by working crass on 2020-08-17 09:38:19 GMT from United States)
A number of weeks ago I installed zen on an dell laptop (i7 16gb-ram). I ran into problems after installation. The home directory was not automatically created, I found it puzzling that zen has its own repo but is not included in the slackpkg mirrors file - had to entered manually and needed to go to website to get the url/s.
Its desktop IMHO is trying to mimick a mxlinux default desktop.
Overall I was lukewarm to this slackware based distro.
Slackware is the best followed by Salix.
11 • Zenwalk (by barnabyh on 2020-08-17 10:34:48 GMT from Germany)
Zenwalk was good in 2005, 2007, even 2009. I always had a ZW install on a machine back then and it was wonderfully fast and light. Looking at the problems Jesse encountered it seems to have got worse rather than improved.
These days I do expect a bit more - but that doesn't pertain to including Flathub (which doesn't even work). Netpkg is a bit arcane and I'm wondering why they're not just using the Slackware package management or slapt-get. Perhaps because Netpkg is the main developers baby and the main tool to differentiate.
Thanks for the review. I had considered trying it again but can shelve that now.
12 • zenwalk (by noarbaby on 2020-08-17 11:52:45 GMT from United States)
When I first started with linux, Slackware was my home. From there I tried various flavors of it's offspring, one being Zenwalk. Back then (early 2000's), Zenwalk struck me as the most polished of the lot, yet I never did run it as my goto for some reason. Slack's dependency hell was for me back then just part of the learning curve, so it was a plus not a minus, at the time. It also made sense to me as I was on a slow modem connection so I could just grab individual packages at a time. Well it made sense back then.) I still like to drop in on Zenwalk out of curiosity as to where they are now, and still find it a nice distro, but it is not a goto one for me.
13 • zenwalk (by dolphin oracle on 2020-08-17 12:37:44 GMT from United States)
To me Zenwalk gets bonus points for not being too serious and using ZOMG PONIES! by default for notifications! That's priceless! YOU WILL see these notifications, dang it!
14 • Salix (by gplcoder on 2020-08-17 13:36:13 GMT from United States)
@10 Salix is marked dormant.
15 • Minix, Zenwalk (by Robert on 2020-08-17 15:48:14 GMT from United States)
I previously used an Intel Skylake cpu, which I assume had the IME.
Zenwalk I don't really understand as a distro. I get slackware as a historical curiosity, or an education into low-level Linux, or even bragging rights like people think of arch or Gentoo. I just don't get why you'd bother with 'desktop' slack without making it user friendly like Manjaro does for Arch.
16 • Reply to 15 (by barnabyh on 2020-08-17 17:54:10 GMT from Germany)
True. I consider Slackel at the moment the best of the bunch for getting an up to date Slack, or aliens Live spins.
I'm pretty sure Slackel combined with the Plasma 5 in ktown would be nice but it's no Manjaro by far. An idea if someone is willing to put in the time.
17 • About Zenwalk (by César on 2020-08-17 20:19:22 GMT from Chile)
Slackware is for those who like the system as simple as possible, it could be said "only text", the installation is simpler than Arch's, keeping it up to date is the easiest thing in the world, just use "slackpgk" to install others. programs with "sbopkg" simplifies the matter a lot, and finally there is the repo of "alienbob".
Zenwalk is for those who like simplicity, but do not want to use or do not like KDE 4, in addition to having a more "beautiful" staging, since XFCE in Slackware is more crude; also, the kernel is newer (5. *), since Slackware uses version 4. *, in short, it's a matter of taste.
Years ago I used Zenwalk and I remember getting a really good image of the distro, maybe trying it one of these days.
Let's celebrate that Zenwalk has stayed true to its guidelines for so long.
Moving on, I have never used Minix as I tried to install it once for testing and failed, I remain true to Linux.
Greetings from Santiago de Chile.
18 • MINIX (by Otis on 2020-08-17 23:41:56 GMT from United States)
I.Had.No.Idea.
Yipe.
So, a linux vulnerability in all Intel CPU machines out there, Windows or not? I must get into this deeper to find out for real, with no emotion or politics or fanboi prejudgements, just what.the.hell.is.going.on.
19 • Intel CPU Vulnerabilities (by David on 2020-08-18 00:36:38 GMT from United States)
@18
Here's a few fairly recent links FYI -
"New Intel CSME CPU Bug is 'Unfixable' Security Vulnerability Affecting Chipsets Released Over Last Five Years"
https://www.newsweek.com/intel-csme-cpu-bug-unfixable-security-vulnerability-chipsets-five-years-1490746
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21167782/intel-processor-flaw-root-of-trust-csme-security-vulnerability
I
Excerpt from the link above -
"The flaw exists at the hardware level of modern Intel processors released in the last five years, and could allow attackers to create special malware (like keyloggers) that runs at the hardware level and is undetectable by traditional antivirus systems. Intel’s latest 10th Gen processors are not vulnerable, though."
"This Unpatchable Flaw Affects All Intel CPUs Released in Last 5 Years"
https://thehackernews.com/2020/03/intel-csme-vulnerability.html
JMHO
20 • @9, AMD (by Angel on 2020-08-18 00:43:06 GMT from Philippines)
"I only use AMD for my DT & LT."
A backdoor by any other name. . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processor
21 • minix and new distro releases (by yrotadnam on 2020-08-18 00:49:54 GMT from New Zealand)
Intel's ME - using Minix isn't the problem. Its the implementation. Just as Android implements Linux minus security and plus much googly shimware. Anyway, for my new rig, I moved to AMD. Note that Linus also moved to AMD. Someone said its in the chipset, not the CPU, and I'll read more and check my older Intel machines. How much other vulnware is baked in - Intel, and maybe AMD too?
This week has been interesting. MX releasing a formal KDE - and being systemd-optional - gives them another leap forward, if it is implemented right. I can't stand xfce, popular as it may be, it just does not work for me. And nice to see another distro like LinuxFX to bridge the waters for Windows refugees.
22 • Minix Way Back Machines (by R O on 2020-08-18 03:23:55 GMT from United States)
I dabbled with Minux in the late 90's for some years, mostly to see what it could do with old 8080/8086/80286 CPU's as I recall. After it came out with a 32-bit version (?), I dabbled on some 80386's (I think). It was designed by a Dutch CS professor, Andrew Tanenbaum, to get CompSci students involved with OS internals at a low level. He was motivated by AT&T commercializing UNIX version 7, and forbidding dissemination/study of the source code. So Tanenbaum came up with Minux (Mini Unix) to fill the gap in education. Nice Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX
23 • Minix, way back then (by SuperOscar on 2020-08-18 06:47:27 GMT from Finland)
I actually ran Minix 2 (or even 1, I’m not sure) in the early 90s in a 286 PC, because a friend of mine was studying computer science in university and was fascinated by it. I couldn’t be since all I could do with it was change the virtual console and run `ls` commands in each.
24 • MINIX (by rmcconnell on 2020-08-18 13:27:18 GMT from United States)
When first looking for an alternative to MS Windows back in '91, I downloaded enough of MINIX 2 to try it out. I also looked at many of the enhancements being pushed out for the upgrade to 3.0. I even bought the book. It looked very good as an educational tool, but not so impressive as a working platform. Dr. Tanenbaum's expressed plan was to keep it simple enough to learn the kernel through a one or two semester course, with the rest of the platform to be developed as side projects and class assignments. That severely limited what applications could be added, with most of them focused on tools for the system admin or developers. As the disappointment set in, I found Soft Landing Systems, which was already a much more rounded system, so I started using that. After they folded their tent in '92, I switched to Slackware, and have never found a need to move elsewhere. It now runs on everything I use except the Firewall (hardened FreeBSD), a MyCloud NAS (Debian 7.1) and a Raspberry Pi (Raspian is a derivative of Debian).
25 • Minix (by gplcoder on 2020-08-19 13:54:58 GMT from United States)
I started using and studying Minix i ~1987 when I purchased V1 of the book Operating Systems: Design and Implementation and also purchased the source code and binaries for the PC. I have been using and studying Minix ever since. It is an excellent platform for low-level, non-GUI software development (in my case, inter-process communication [IPC]) since it is micro-kernel based, not a monolithic kernel like just about all other OS's (except GNU Mach and QNX). There was a famous flame-war between Andy Tanenbaum and Linus Torvalds about a monolithic verses a micro kernel. I have always believed that Linux and BSD should be micro kernel based, not monolithic.
26 • Minix (by Banana Bob on 2020-08-20 08:01:26 GMT from United States)
I tried Minix, but gave up when it didn't recognize the wifi adapter in my laptop.
27 • Backdoors (by Dr. Dave on 2020-08-21 01:54:28 GMT from United States)
Another reason to keep using old hardware as long as possible. Of course, none of that changes the fact that the Internet itself is a military-designed killgrid. I've always supposed the benefits of avoiding Windows, systemd, Intel Management Engine / AMD Platform Security, etc are effectively cancelled out by using the Internet.
Besides that, there have been 'ethernet-over-powerline' solutions for years. Considering all the backdoors and chicanery we DO know about, we should assume there is a lot we DON'T know about. I have long assumed that most 'offline' systems are not truly offline. Anything connected to the power grid is probably vulnerable to something of which we are currently unaware. Wake-on-LAN features probably have more uses than we like think.
Anything with built-in wifi is probably never 100% truly offline + there are plenty of non-phone products that rely upon built-in cellular connections. Today, one should always assume they are in some way 'online'.
28 • Zenwalk review (by Hyperion on 2020-08-21 06:43:11 GMT from France)
- Zenwalk network packages manager is netpkg, it handles several repositories, provides dependency resolution, and has powerful "user friendly" search features not found in other package managers. Most users find it more efficient than apt-get. Netpkg doesn't replace Slackware native tools : it's complementary.
- Flathub is not a package manager : it's a more to be considered like a "playstore". It's a web app, and it works out of the box. Clicking on "install" button in the web app downloads a "flatpakef" file that can be easily processed in Thunar with right-click -> "Flatpak install". Flatpak can also be managed through CLI, of course, like packages should always be.
- The initial setup is text based, because a setup doesn't have to be graphical : it has to be quick and easy. Many recent OS have text based installers.
- Zenwalk is easier to use than most big bloated distributions, it provides latest mainstream applications and desktop. It targets experienced Linux users who wants more control over the operating system and want to be able to do things that bloated distros are not able to do, anymore.
29 • Zenwalk unclear (by curious on 2020-08-21 08:39:25 GMT from Germany)
@28: You state that netpkg provides dependency resolution. Jesse's review states that it does not. You state that clicking on the "install" button in the Flathub web-app downloads a file. Jesse's review states that nothing happens when clicking on "install".
I have NO reason not to believe what Jesse states in his review, especially considering his experience in reviewing Linux distros.
To me, it appears that you describe what should happen in Zenwalk and Jesse describes what really does.
Like in many other cases, I would assume that the main problem is lack of quality assurance and/or testing, and that the only people actually using Zenwalk are those that already know how to work around the problems, so they do not get adressed.
And what are the "things that bloated distros are not able to do, anymore"?
30 • YMMV (by Somewhat Reticent on 2020-08-21 11:46:42 GMT from United States)
@28, @29 - Perhaps the "things that bloated distros are not able to do anymore?" are "quality assurance and/or testing"?
…
Vintage rules.
31 • @ 29--"...the things that bloated distros are not able to do, anymore" (by R. Cain on 2020-08-22 18:23:03 GMT from United States)
You need to (a) listen to @28 and @30; and (b) be more aware of history.
It is a well-documented fact that the reason(s) that distros are now so bloated is because of the fact that MOST distros are in such a rush to crank out the biggest, fastest, newest, most feature-filled distro they can possibly imagine, and--here's the *really, REALLY* important part--do this EVERY SIX MONTHS.
Here's the other very important part, which every one of you who demand this be done (and make no mistake; it IS done because you expect and demand it): this leaves absolutely NO--as in ZERO--time to fix any bugs YOU might report, let alone even looking for bugs on the part of the distribution's seriously overworked developers. It is NOT at all uncommon to read comments in Mint's Blog very similar to "...hey, GREAT job on this newest release. *WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE COMING OUT?* And by the way, the bug I reported about the screen being trashed when I do XXX, in MINT 18, still hasn't been fixed...". (think I'm kidding? Take the time to read Mint's Blogs and forums).
The standard way, the ONLY way, bugs get fixed in any distribution any more is FBIY: Fix-By-Ignoring-You. Why not?--the NEW release will be out in less than six months, and if you can lulled into thinking that any bugs you find now will be fixed, great! If you can't, you'll be so overwhelmed by the NEW release, you'll ignore the fact that the bug (along with all previously reported, un-fixed bugs still there. Along with the inevitable NEW BUGS and NEW REGRESSIONS, due to all the code-bloat.)
And yes, @29 is absolutely correct: the things that bloated distros are incapable of doing any more is to provide you with a brand-new product EVERY SIX MONTHS which has been subjected to rigorous quality assurance, and validation testing.
Just for your information, people--
two of the absolute BEST Linux Mint distros EVER were Mint 13 (Maya), at less than 900 MB; and THE BEST one was the last one to EVER occupy DistroWatch's top slot, as well as being proclaimed that year's best-of-the-best Linux distros: Mint 17.3, at approximately 1300 MB. Got that? 900 MB and 1300 MB. Impossible; no way! Right, millenials?
And here's the best part of what and how Mint USED to be--very good Quality Assurance; outstanding validation testing; most all of your reported bugs acknowledged and fixed. Weren't the 'old days' absolute s**t, boys and girls?
THESE are the things that bloated distros are not able to do anymore. Isn't progress wonderful?
Oh, I forgot one of the best parts: over to you, Mint fanboys.
32 • Cue the Fanboy (by Friar Tux on 2020-08-23 00:21:56 GMT from Canada)
@31 (R Cain) OK, right on cue... Linux Mint. Some of us don't really care about the six month thing. I still have until 2023, so 'llI use my version 19.3 till then - unless something runs amok. I'll go the usual 5 years before going to the next version. As for the bloat, I like my distros well stacked - like I like my... oops, sorry, getting carried away, here. Mind you, I have my favourite apps and programs so I've been known to install and delete until I have what I think works best. Four years of absolutely no worries as definitely turned me into a Linux Mint fanboy.
33 • QA (by Cheker on 2020-08-23 02:00:06 GMT from Portugal)
R Cain is right, lack of proper QA is a common theme across IT in general. Everybody is so worried about the latest and greatest that they trip all over themselves and bugs get overlooked. That Red Hat recently rendered several installations temporarily unusable should tell you all you need to know about the state of QA across the tech industry.
34 • @31, blabbering about bloat (by Angel on 2020-08-23 02:02:58 GMT from Philippines)
"Right, millenials " [sic]
Hah! Been around since the 1st half of the 20th century, but managed to adjust to modern things like indoor plumbing, in spite of its complexity as opposed to latrines. Funny thing, but I seem to have more problems when trying out the old tried and true than with newfangled over-bloated minty things. Take Zenwalk, please! (If you remember Henny you ain't no millennial.)
One of the things most modern bloated distros don't do is tick me off enough to feel like smashing the PC. Maybe they are better, or maybe it's the Zanax.:-)
First installed Linux Mint in 2006 on an HP laptop with a 20GB HDD. Took about 3 hours to download, and then I had to extract the Windows XP driver and use ndiswrapper to get WiFi. Impressive for its time. Now I can download it in 10 minutes and install it in a 240GB SSD, all drivers present. I'm not using Mint as my main distro these days, not because it's gotten worse, but because others have gotten much better. It still sits in a VM with no complaints.
Done ranting. Need to go and crank my old car, if I can remember where I put the crank.
35 • @33 QA (by WhatMeWorry on 2020-08-23 05:05:54 GMT from United States)
Anyone using "Red Hat" and "latest and greatest" in the same sentence must have been in a coma for a while. Try Arch, Tumbleweed, etc.
36 • Each to his own (by Friar Tux on 2020-08-23 13:35:18 GMT from Canada)
I think bloat can be good IF it works and doesn't get in the way. Also, it may be time to just have a distro that doesn't feel the need to add something 'new' and flashy every six months. (One reason I prefer LTS distros.) When I test distros I use the 'catch and release' method (if your a fisherman), or the 'probe and release' method (if your an alien). I install it (NEVER use a VM), if everything works out of box - great. It's a keeper. If it had issues - back into the pond. So far, of the hundreds I've tried only three have been totally flawless - as in install and go right to work - Linux Mint, Q4OS, and Triquel, in that order. Anyway, 'nuff said.
Oh, @34, I have a spare crank if you need it, though I think she might protest, vehemently.
37 • Something new?? (by Friar Tux on 2020-08-23 13:43:23 GMT from Canada)
Note to Jesse and Team:- I love the new banner popping up at the top. New for me, anyway. It's a great way to highlight new distros - Garuda Linux, this time. Going to have to try it out.
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| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
| • Issue 1066 (2024-04-15): Fun projects to do with the Raspberry Pi and PinePhone, installing new software on fixed-release distributions, improving GNOME Terminal performance, Mint testing new repository mirrors, Gentoo becomes a Software In the Public Interest project |
| • Issue 1065 (2024-04-08): Dr.Parted Live 24.03, answering questions about the xz exploit, Linux Mint to ship HWE kernel, AlmaLinux patches flaw ahead of upstream Red Hat, Calculate changes release model |
| • Issue 1064 (2024-04-01): NixOS 23.11, the status of Hurd, liblzma compromised upstream, FreeBSD Foundation focuses on improving wireless networking, Ubuntu Pro offers 12 years of support |
| • Issue 1063 (2024-03-25): Redcore Linux 2401, how slowly can a rolling release update, Debian starts new Project Leader election, Red Hat creating new NVIDIA driver, Snap store hit with more malware |
| • Issue 1062 (2024-03-18): KDE neon 20240304, changing file permissions, Canonical turns 20, Pop!_OS creates new software centre, openSUSE packages Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1061 (2024-03-11): Using a PinePhone as a workstation, restarting background services on a schedule, NixBSD ports Nix to FreeBSD, Fedora packaging COSMIC, postmarketOS to adopt systemd, Linux Mint replacing HexChat |
| • Issue 1060 (2024-03-04): AV Linux MX-23.1, bootstrapping a network connection, key OpenBSD features, Qubes certifies new hardware, LXQt and Plasma migrate to Qt 6 |
| • Issue 1059 (2024-02-26): Warp Terminal, navigating manual pages, malware found in the Snap store, Red Hat considering CPU requirement update, UBports organizes ongoing work |
| • Issue 1058 (2024-02-19): Drauger OS 7.6, how much disk space to allocate, System76 prepares to launch COSMIC desktop, UBports changes its version scheme, TrueNAS to offer faster deduplication |
| • Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
| • Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
| • Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
| • Issue 1054 (2024-01-22): Solus 4.5, comparing dd and cp when writing ISO files, openSUSE plans new major Leap version, XeroLinux shutting down, HardenedBSD changes its build schedule |
| • Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
| • Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
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