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1 • Wanting-a-different-version (by Andy Prough on 2020-03-23 01:38:29 GMT from United States)
Jesse said: "In cases where you are using a more cutting edge distribution, such as Gentoo or a member of the Arch Linux family, you can install a new version of an application and then "pin" or "lock" it using your package manager. This causes the package to no longer get updated, letting you stick with the version you like for as long as you want."
Tumbleweed allows you to lock packages as well.
This is something I need to try on Artix, as there are a few packages for which a more conservative approach would be nice.
The ability to easily install different versions of packages is something I like about MX. In the MX Package Installer, you've got the conservative stuff from Debian Buster for the most part, but MX also makes the Debian Backports plus MX's own testing repo available with more recent packages.
2 • Anarchy Linus Review (by Vern on 2020-03-23 01:45:02 GMT from United States)
It's been a while since I use Anarchy Linux. I recently forgot all about it. Been using another distro. Thank you for a great review. I think I moved away from Arch type installs because of all the constant updates. Athough I sure one can limit that to a minimum.
3 • Software versions (by DaveW on 2020-03-23 01:54:34 GMT from United States)
I am running Linux Mint 18.3. I have 6 versions of LibreOffice installed in parallel, from 3.3 to 7.0-alpha. They are all usable, and I have applications for each. Just one example of what can be done with Linux.
4 • Anarchy review and related thoughts (by randomly generated entity on 2020-03-23 02:05:15 GMT from United States)
I'm sure Anarchy is a fine way to more easily install Arch, with the assorted gotchas encountered by the reviewer to be expected. Arch is about as bleeding edge as it gets after all, and installing it via any non-"Arch Way" is bound to require a little extra effort/research. Might as well just do it their way in the first place if you ask me...
What I find odd is that Plasma/KDE is not one of the default desktop options. Instead we find three different flavors of Gnome-ishness (Budgie and Cinnamon are both, to my mind, just Gnome made less inherently insane), Openbox(!), and Xfce. Why the heavy lean towards GTK and away from QT, which Arch does just fine with?
I wouldn't mind seeing a more KDE-centric simplified Arch (anyone else remember Bridge?). One that's genuinely up to date (unlike Manjaro) and perhaps offers the user an easier way to strip out some of the less useful bits (all the PIM stuff, Kmail, baloo, etc.). There's so much to the whole KDE experience that it just begs for a way to more specifically fine-tune the install.
5 • A Fair & Balanced Anarchy Linux Review (by David on 2020-03-23 02:26:49 GMT from United States)
Joshua -
Thanks for your insightful review of my favorite Arch installer, which I have used with regularity over the past few years, after having failed to succeed repeatedly by doing it "The Arch Way."
I would hesitate to call it a distro though, since it installs virtually plain vanilla Arch without the bloated proprietary repositories that all of the Arch offspring distros such as Manjaro and Arco include in their ISO files, also including the Zen Installer in that category, which falls just short of Anarchy in that regard.
I'd recommend that anyone interested in using Anarchy do just the base installation first, then add desired packages post-installation. I always use the Packages tool to uninstall any packages that I do not need or want during post-installation as well, with a word of caution to keep an eye on any possible broken dependencies that might crash the system. I've learned which packages I can dump, and those that I must retain via trial and error during my first several installation attempts.
I've never had the requirement to do a server installation, so the issues that you encountered have never had any bearing on my single-user status, but it is a responsible consideration for any potential server user to have a clear perspective on the installation problems that you encountered.
Using Anarchy Linux eliminated the intimidation factor that Arch can impose on some potential users, as it did for me, and I know there are those that will never use it because of SystemD, but for anyone that is interested in learning about and evaluating pure Arch for themselves, Anarchy Linux will provide the fastest and easiest startng point.
JMHO
6 • Anarchy (by Rick on 2020-03-23 12:07:34 GMT from United States)
Thanks for reviewing Anarchy! I eased into using Arch with other Arch based distro (Antergos) to see if it was for me before installing the "Arch way". Anarchy fills the niche left by Antergos by providing a near stock Arch install to get a user started.
I recently tried Anarchy and found it a rather good way to get going with an Arch-based install that has a nearly stock configuration.I found that removing theming gave me a very close to vanilla Arch install.
I did not try the advanced install and revisited it after reading the review. It is a very nice option and also provides a way for KDE lovers to install a plasma desktop,
This is a great way to test the Arch Linux world and see if it is for you! Thanks!
7 • Arch Linux installers (by OstroL on 2020-03-23 13:01:49 GMT from Poland)
It is good that there are developers/users, who care enough to create an installer for Arch Linux, because that way an ordinary user an install Arch Linux. Once, Arch Linux is installed, there's no need to install again, or wait for a periodic release. Simply update your installation once in a while. That's the beauty of Arch Linux.
8 • Anarchy (by Bob on 2020-03-23 13:06:13 GMT from United States)
...meh...I'll stick with current Archman and Manjaro install styles. It isn't that difficult to remove unwanted features and add my preferred applications. Nuff said.
9 • Arch installer - Archlab (by Simon on 2020-03-23 13:35:43 GMT from Switzerland)
I've never used Anarchy Linux and I cannot say how good it is.
But, recently, I've tried Archlab, which uses its own installer to install Arch. It is very good. You end up whit a slick Arch install with very little customization. Archlab works very well on my Asus laptop: the only point which bothers me are the endless Arch updates. But lets see hot it goes.
10 • Doesn't matter which Arch installer (by Lin on 2020-03-23 14:49:38 GMT from United Kingdom)
Doesn't matter which Arch installer, as far as it installs pure Arch Linux. After that, it is just a question of periodical updating of the installed system.
11 • Anarchy lost in the crowd (by Vern on 2020-03-23 15:22:18 GMT from United States)
I'm a bit confused. I used Anarchy in the distant past, and have forgotten about it because its not on the top 100. Once I found it, it appears to show that it first release is Jan 2020. that's not so:
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=anarchy
12 • RockSolid Signage (by Alexandru on 2020-03-23 15:26:08 GMT from Austria)
We were already witnesses of Oracle Unbreakable Linux, which silently changed its name into Oracle Linux. Such strong names are an invitation for crachers to test just how unbreakable / rock solid is the distribution.
13 • Anarchy releases (by Jesse on 2020-03-23 15:45:17 GMT from Canada)
@11: The page you linked to isn't indicating Anarchy's first release was in January 2020, only that the first one since DistroWatch started tracking it occurred in January. Release information is not retroactively added once a project gets put in the database.
14 • Anarchy (by Jeffrydada on 2020-03-23 18:45:10 GMT from United States)
@6 If you liked Antergos try RebornOS it is the spiritual successor to Antergos. Find in on the waiting list
15 • EarlyOOM service in Fedora 32 (by vasea on 2020-03-23 22:22:28 GMT from Republic of Moldova)
besides other there should be "I use BSD" option in the poll,
cause BSD has such functionality implemented ages ago.
I always was frustrated by linux running OOM, this was the only one feature in windows i missed.
Until I found BSD systems.
16 • #13 Tracking Anarchy (by Vern on 2020-03-23 23:31:40 GMT from United States)
Jesse, I didn't realize Distrowatch only started tracking Anarchy in 2020. I used it over a year ago. Seems to me there was a name change along the way, as Arch Linux didn't like its first naming.
17 • EarlyOOM (by Hoo Da Hell on 2020-03-24 03:13:42 GMT from Brazil)
In a desktop PC with 16GB RAM, like mine, EarlyOOM serves to nothing.
18 • @16 (by Hoos on 2020-03-24 05:44:20 GMT from Singapore)
'Twas called Arch Anywhere.
I do like its installer, but I can see why Arch objected to its original name, since they disagree that a system installed via any installer tool remains pure Arch. It's their right, as the IP owner of the name.
19 • Early OOM (by hank on 2020-03-24 07:12:06 GMT from Germany)
Early OOM, is this the answer to the Gigabyte Log files System D was writing to my SDD, slowing down my system and finally leaving me with no more space for files.
Thank you Mr Pottering, this issue encouraged me to try a system death free Distro.
I will NEVER install a Distro with that crap again.
20 • If EarlyOOM would stop me from opening one more tab, maybe (by Ole 1-2 GB Laptops on 2020-03-24 09:48:34 GMT from Austria)
I already know opening too many browser tabs is what causes my OOM swapping. So EarlyOOM will kill my browser so I don't have to cycle power...Maybe that's a small improvement, but not much. If it would pop up a "No More Tabs" warning when approaching the limit, that would be helpful.
21 • @4 (by James on 2020-03-24 11:14:16 GMT from United States)
The Anarchy installer offers KDE as an option in the non-customized desktop section. Meaning it installs the vanilla KDE Plasma desktop without any Anarchy customization. You can install every other supported DE in the same way if you don't want the Anarchy customization.
22 • Anarchy (by pavlos on 2020-03-24 17:12:46 GMT from Poland)
@ Joshua Allen Holm
Please be so kind and correct the very first sentence of the article - Anarchy is definitely NOT an Arch-based distribution. This is pure Arch distribution with the Anarchy installer add-on. Which is also bolded out on the Anarchy website.
Anarchy does NOT offer its own repository or any other distribution than Arch's own. During installation pacstrap pulls everything from original Arch repos.
By the way, such installers are against Arch purists. I would rather agree with them - proper manual installation may be tricky, but offers the fastest possible learning curve for newcommers. First, you can practice it as many times as necessary on a VM, then how frequently you need trepeating the process? Maybe if you work at a datacenter... This was also my case - I have tried all Manjaros, Antergoss's, all Architects, Archmans etc in VM... Finally I have finished with pure Arch installation. Knowing and understanding much more...
Do you have a brain? You'd better use it - doesn't pain, and brings a lot of fun,,, :)
23 • @21, @22 (by randomly generated entity on 2020-03-24 17:57:31 GMT from United States)
Yes, I gathered that KDE was an option if one were to go the "Anarchy-Advanced" route. I mean... that's fine, but if you're gonna do that, is an "Arch Way" install really that much more difficult? Furthermore, I wonder what the "customized" actually entails with the less advanced desktop options. If, as @22 claims, Anarchy is "a pure Arch distribution", why/how would anything be changed from what Arch provides?
Look, I'm well aware of the "btw, I use Arch" thing and how elitist it appears, but it seriously ain't all that hard to do a real Arch install, especially now that wifi-menu has been added. I can remember beating my head against the old fashioned way of getting wifi working from the install iso (before I became a chroot aficionado) and that was really the only sticking point. It's worth the minimal extra effort to gain a bit more understanding of what makes Arch's implementation of Linux tick.
24 • Anarchy status (by Jesse on 2020-03-24 20:19:58 GMT from Canada)
@22: "Please be so kind and correct the very first sentence of the article - Anarchy is definitely NOT an Arch-based distribution. This is pure Arch distribution with the Anarchy installer add-on. Which is also bolded out on the Anarchy website."
Anarchy Linux meets all the qualifications of a distribution. The developers may not see it that way, but they meet all our criteria of a distro, based on Arch. Holm's observation is accurate.
25 • EarlyOOM and Anarchy (by Bill on 2020-03-24 20:26:59 GMT from Australia)
Doesn't the kernal already do what EarlyOOM does?
I would be interested to try it on one of my lower power laptops anyway.
Arch is pretty easy to run and rarely breaks these days, while I wouldn't recommend it to a newcomer, anyone who has been using Linux for a few months should be able to manage it and there is no reason not to have a simple installer in 2020. Thanks Anarchy for saving me precious time.
26 • Arch Installer (by Justin on 2020-03-24 21:08:45 GMT from United States)
Having an Arch installer is the same reason to have automated build scripts for LFS... to save time for those who have done it several times before (but don't have it memorized) and want to stand up another machine efficiently (i.e., do other work while waiting for the install).
I agree with the reasoning that the manual install scares away newbies that will be over their head, and going through the process manually does teach you a lot. At the same time, I understand the process, I understand what the choices mean, I just want to set and forget an install, not babysit it for 15-20 minutes (and forget to install the bootloader and so have to do it all again). Having DE options is a nice perk so that, again, I avoid stupid mistakes like forgetting to install xorg-xinit because I'm in a hurry.
27 • Arch way no way. (by Vern on 2020-03-24 23:14:57 GMT from United States)
I've installed Arch, the Arch Way several. Never again. I would now prefer a distro like Anarchy to do the mundane tasks so I don't skip a step.
On the same note, I have in the past compiled my kernels. It takes a lot of time, and in the end, for me, not worth it. It was a learning experience while I was doing it.
28 • Anarchy status (by pavlos on 2020-03-25 00:36:55 GMT from Poland)
@24: I wouldn't agree that Anarchy meets all qualifications to be a separate distribution.
After the DW glossary: "A project which ships an operating system that includes the Linux kernel is said to be a Linux distribution.". This project does NOT ship any other operating system and any other Linux kernel than Arch's own.
Archman ISO is just the installer, doesn't ship anything important to your finally installed system. As I said, during the install all OS core contents is pulled directly from Arch repo, especially the kernel. You simply can't install it without the Internet - can you?
@26: I can fully understand that such an installer may facilitate a lot and our life becomes much easier... This is nothing wrong about the installer in itself... Yes, I have made my own notes to not to forget about xorg-xinit during installing a desktop environment...
And some of us have also tried gentoo, a hardcore DIY distro... Linux From Scratch?... No, I didn't, didn't have to. Life is too short to spend hours/days/weeks on recompiling every piece of code with each update... On the other hand, it really may be so interesting to know "how the hell it works" :-)
29 • Anarchy (by Jesse on 2020-03-25 00:53:04 GMT from Canada)
@28: "This project does NOT ship any other operating system and any other Linux kernel than Arch's own."
This isn't entirely true. As pointed out in the review, Anarchy customizes their supported desktop environments. You don't end up with pure Arch if you use the anarchy installer. Also, if you claim Anarchy isn't a distribution then Antergos, EndeavourOS, and Reborn aren't distributions either. Basically almost no Arch-based projects could be considered distributions.
Anarchy provides an operating system, Linux kernel, customized packages, an installer and independent ISO. It has its own website, dev team and support resources. That makes it a separate distro by my standards.
30 • The 'Feynman Disease'. (by R. Cain on 2020-03-25 02:49:54 GMT from United States)
@27--
"...On the same note, I have in the past compiled my kernels. It takes a lot of time, and in the end, for me, not worth it. It was a learning experience while I was doing it. "
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"You know how, after doing something, the Universe says to you, 'Don't do that again'? That's called a 'learning experience'."--Douglas Adams
31 • Anarchy installation: true distro? (by Hoos on 2020-03-25 04:51:54 GMT from Singapore)
It's been a while since I tested an anarchy install (VM), but I seem to recall that the installer gave the user the option to only have the Arch repos, or to also include their customised DE. The latter would include their choice of gtk theme and icons, and also their wallpapers. Certainly the wallpapers don't come from pure Arch repos.
Looks like you have a choice; in fact, there were lots of options in the installer for your setup, as I recall. That's distro-ish enough to me. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
32 • What is best? (by One year-old newbie on 2020-03-25 09:45:24 GMT from United States)
@3 "Just one example of what can be done with Linux"
Compaq Armada 110 that come with Millennium, today runs XP 32bit OS with Office XP, Office 2007 & Office 2010 (no internet of course, because of the browsers not the OS)
As W7 refugee newbie I tried Antix, MX, Netrunner & after PCLinuxOS bricked a 32GB USB stick, I moved to Arch-based, since SistemD-free distros don't like to run on my old machines.
Arch-way was to much, so I installed Anarchy, thanks to its installer. After a short while with Manjaro, I moved to Arco, installed on a 64GB USB stick. (even if installed on its own HDD, runs way slower than W7, freezes and "gives" me a myriad of updates, so I don't like it too much, either.)
33 • EarlyOOM (by Ankleface Wroughlandmire on 2020-03-25 13:14:23 GMT from Ecuador)
I use EarlyOOM on my openSUSE laptop with 8GB of RAM to keep me out of trouble when I have to run Windows 10 in a VM. Frankly, I hate the idea of a user-space process being in charge of such a fundamental function as memory management, but it is unfortunately necessary. In my experience, the Linux kernel has laughably poor memory management for desktop usage patterns. It doesn't manage swap space well, leaving junk in the swap space even after manually closing processes to free up plenty of RAM. And even if there is no swap space configured, it still thrashes the disk, I don't remember the exact technical explanation of what it's exactly doing, but it brings the system to its knees. And that's the problem, in my opinion, the kernel should never *ever* allow a user-space process to bring down the system. Sure, the kernel and the daemons are technically still running, but anything that requires user interactivity with the mouse is rendered useless, and everything goes into a death spiral unless you SysRq out of it to manually invoke the OOM killer. Hence the necessity of EarlyOOM.
34 • @33 (by Justin on 2020-03-25 15:50:33 GMT from United States)
I ran into the disk thrashing with kwapd0 eating up 100% CPU on an old netbook with no swap configured. The problem is that the file cache is being purged to free up memory for programs. The kernel uses your excess RAM to cache files from disk to speed up performance. This is why when you open Firefox the first time it is one speed and closing and reopening is much faster. All the files to load from disk are already in memory.
What bugs me is that this thrashing can happen even with a fair amount of free memory. I was experimenting with KDE Neon so that I had a modern KDE experience (supposedly the latest KDE has lower memory requirements, and Trinity is just so old, a bit slow, and I question the security). With 1.1GB/1.7GB used, the browser thrashes like crazy if I open more than 2 or 3 tabs. Apparently so much memory is needed for KDE and the browser that the kernel loads one file, does its thing, then unloads it to load another file, run a little more code, then go back to the first... you can see where this is going.
Incidentally, I like how KDE Neon looks, but KDE on this netbook runs like Windows 7 (looks as good if not better, but all the lag is there unfortunately). I wish there were more nice looking desktops like KDE that were lighter (not just memory but CPU; I could buy more memory if I really cared). I'd love to show off this KDE setup, but it lags too much. Showing off JWM+ROX just doesn't do it for anyone any more. I wish there were a foundation, distro, or someone that we could donate to so that they could hire some artists to update icons, do more HiDPI, etc., that would benefit the entire Linux ecosystem / desktop selection.
35 • Arch/Anarchy (by Otis on 2020-03-25 18:16:41 GMT from United States)
Is Anarchy a distro? Not according to the Anarchy home website:
Anarchy Linux
A simple and intuitive Arch Linux installer
In nice bold font.
But, as pointed out by the DW site operator/maintainer, Anarchy fits his standards/definition of a distro in and of itself.
So, we have to agree to disagree.
36 • To Be a Distro or Not Be a Distro (by David on 2020-03-25 20:22:34 GMT from United States)
I think the point is a valid one that the only true "pure" Arch distro is that which is constructed manually - "The Arch Way."
While I am guilty of having characterized Anarchy as installing pure Arch, I usually describe it as being 99.99% pure Arch, which I feel is generally accurate. I must confess that I now regard Anarchy Linux as fitting the description of a distro.
I do, however, differentiate Anarchy, and find it unique and separate from the rest of the Arch-based distros, in the fact that the installation process draws directly from the default Arch repositories. It installs ZERO proprietary repositories, as virtually all of the Arch re-spins do. If you want all the packages in those proprietary repos, then that is your option. If you want reduce system bloat, and get access to ONLY the Arch default repos, then Anarchy is the installation option that you should consider. In my work, I require a relatively small number of packages, and I've never installed any packages from the AUR, which are not always properly vetted. The only serious breakage I've ever had running Arch was caused by a defective LightDM update that crashed one of my systems sometime last year. Otherwise, Arch has run virtually error-free for me for several years.
@23
From one "elitist" to another, I'm just a guy that prefers Arch to whatever distro(s) you like, which I've probably already tested and moved on from. After a couple of years with Mint/Cinnamon, I started distro-hopping like a psychotic bunny rabbit on steroids. I tried Slackware, Gentoo and many of their offspring, like Calculate. Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, PCLOS, you name it, I tried it, motivated by pure curiosity. I wasn't until I finally and painfully was able to successfully install Antergos, that I gained my positive perspective on Arch. After having run virtually every Arch offspring distro on the DW/HPD list with varying success, I ran across Anarchy, and it's "as close to pure Arch as you can get" installer. It lead me to the distro that fulfills and optimizes my work flow. While I'm still reviewing the only viable non-SystemD Arch alternative, Artix Linux, in both Runit & OpenRC flavors, I've still found "plain vanilla" Arch to be the most stable & powerful distro I've every rolled with.
So, yes, I am an Arch user. If that makes me an elitist, then so be it.
I've also have been to "reverse-engineer" my Arch knowledge by reviewing some of the many Arco Linux YouTube tutorial videos produced by the Arco lead developer Erik DuBois, so any potential Anarchy users should check those out to get up to speed with Arch in a hurry.
JMHO
37 • @36 and Arch "elitism" (by randomly generated entity on 2020-03-25 21:50:54 GMT from United States)
@36 - My experience is similar to yours in many ways. Like you, I've tried just about any distro you could name - I have most of the major ones installed as a matter of fact, and wander from one to another as I get bored or my mood changes. I'm a curious guy, and I like keeping up to date on the current state of the distro world.
My first Arch-ish distro was probably Chakra, though Archbang is another possibility. But once I figured out how to do the "Arch Way" install, I found no reason to bother anymore with the various "make Arch easier" distros. I guess if I had to constantly deploy Arch on multiple machines, maybe I'd go another way, but I only have two machines, so that number of installs was trivial. Rolling release means no reinstalls and all that...
The "elitist" thing is really only important when it comes to support (if needed), because as we all know Arch's forum folks can be rather unforgiving in general, downright ornery if one hasn't installed Arch as opposed to one of their offspring distros. And they have every right to be! Unless you go through the install guide step by step and do your research and all that, why should they be expected to handhold anyone through the same issues over and over again? Is this elitism? Maybe. I call it protecting the brand and ethos of what has grown to be one of the most important distros in existence.
Arch and Arch-based distros are leaps and bounds more popular now than they were even a few years ago, which is a good thing if you ask me. I just hope that all the "I made an installer!" distros - and there are more of these every day it seems - are prepared to do user support, because it isn't Arch's problem if you don't follow their rules.
38 • Doing It The Arch Way (by David on 2020-03-25 22:40:33 GMT from United States)
@37
In between my last Arch offspring distro test - EndeavourOS - which I like very much because of it's XFCE4 ISO exclusivity (my favorite DE), and reduced system bloat, I was determined to install Arch manually, which I was able to accomplish exactly once, after about my fourth try. It was painful & time-consuming. The primary conclusion that I carried forward from that learning experience was that I'll never do another manual install.
I run as many as six PC's on my home network, and after I discovered the Anarchy installer, Arch became the standardized computing platform on all of my production PC's.
I'd still like to effectively ditch SystemD at some point, which is why I'm running two Artix init versions on my test boxes right now.
I've never encountered an Arch breakage that I couldn't fix myself by finding a solution in either reading the Arch Wiki, or by watching an Arco/Arch system recovery tutorial video on YouTube. I'm aware of the attitude of some of the Arch forum members, which as you say is probably justified. I have never asked a question of any of them, nor do I intend to start now.
Maybe I am an elitist, because I have no requirement for the forum member's back and forth advice or disdain.
JMHO
39 • @38 Further curiosity (by randomly generated entity on 2020-03-26 01:57:55 GMT from United States)
Wow, it sounds like you'd be someone ideally suited to being able to do an Arch Way install easily! I've probably done it 7-8 times over the years and, while I've certainly had to follow the instructions closely each time, it's never gotten me too frustrated - aside from back before wfi-menu removed that particular obstacle. Granted, things do get a little fuzzy between getting the base system installed and getting a DE/X up and running. They sure could make that more clear by putting it all in fewer jumps to other parts of the wiki, but I've never ended up with anything less than success. I don't think I ever even had to use my now-favorite trick of chroot-ing into installs to do fixes/updates/maintenance.
Can you recall at which point it caused issues for you? I'm not pointing fingers or anything, just genuinely curious. I mean, if you were able to get Gentoo (my current distro of choice with a lean and mean plasma) up and running, Arch should be much much easier. I've had some definite moments of confusion with Gentoo! Mainly due to having an older nvidia graphics card requiring the 340 series driver, but not always. For a while I was having trouble even getting a bootable kernel from genkernel!
Anyway, thanks for the back and forth, and happy distro-ing. I hope you find your perfect fit soon.
40 • @34 lxqt DE, or Knoppix KDE Plasma (by Elcaset on 2020-03-26 02:27:58 GMT from United States)
I prefer KDE Plasma, but you might enjoy the lxqt DE. It's fast on netbooks. Knoppix is also fast on netbooks, even when running KDE Plasma. I don't know how Klaus makes that happen!
41 • Transparency & Full Disclosure (by David on 2020-03-26 02:38:12 GMT from United States)
@39
In the interest of transparency and full disclosure, I mentioned Calculate because I used it as an introductory on-ramp to the Gentoo branch, which proved to be too much of a culture shock, and too much work to get up & running fast and efficiently. My interest in the Gentoo branch evaporated rapidly. The Calculate ISO also irretrievably corrupted the thumb drive upon which the image was burned, so buh-bye to Gentoo and its offspring.
I think @26 and @27 and @28 said it best -
"And some of us have also tried gentoo, a hardcore DIY distro... Linux From Scratch?... No, I didn't, didn't have to. Life is too short to spend hours/days/weeks on recompiling every piece of code with each update... On the other hand, it really may be so interesting to know "how the hell it works" :-) "
I don't recall where I went wrong with my manual Arch install attempts, I'm sure the bootloader omission crashed me at least once.
The point is Anarchy just works - for me, the installer is bulletproof, and has never failed me as a user. Non-SystemD Artix is promising, but I'm not ready to fully commit to it yet.
Over and out...
JMHO
42 • OOM/BSD (by Otis on 2020-03-26 16:05:21 GMT from United States)
@15 I don't know about the OOM thing.. yet, but I can tell you that GhostsBSD is one cracking operating system. 20.02 has no hitches or glitches that I can detect at this point (second day of use).
BSD in general could be the way to go for much of the expressed anxieties about the direction Linux distros have been heading.
43 • oom-killer and EarlyOOM (by CS on 2020-03-27 14:15:22 GMT from United States)
Sorry BSD fans, oom-killer is not new to Linux. oom-killer has been around since, I don't know a long time ago and in my experience works well on server workloads where usually just 1 process goes out of control.
I agree with what Ankleface says that if you ever hit oom-killer in a desktop environment your system will never behave quite right again till you reboot it.
https://github.com/rfjakob/earlyoom is a userspace implementation, the author went this route because you can make it behave however you want, e.g. to kill things earlier before all swap is gone. Maybe that will be better.
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| • Issue 1037 (2023-09-18): Bodhi Linux 7.0.0, finding specific distros and unified package managemnt, Zevenet replaced by two new forks, openSUSE introduces Slowroll branch, Fedora considering dropping Plasma X11 session |
| • Issue 1036 (2023-09-11): SDesk 2023.08.12, hiding command line passwords, openSUSE shares contributor survery results, Ubuntu plans seamless disk encryption, GNOME 45 to break extension compatibility |
| • Issue 1035 (2023-09-04): Debian GNU/Hurd 2023, PCLinuxOS 2023.07, do home users need a firewall, AlmaLinux introduces new repositories, Rocky Linux commits to RHEL compatibility, NetBSD machine runs unattended for nine years, Armbian runs wallpaper contest |
| • Issue 1034 (2023-08-28): Void 20230628, types of memory usage, FreeBSD receives port of Linux NVIDIA driver, Fedora plans improved theme handling for Qt applications, Canonical's plans for Ubuntu |
| • Issue 1033 (2023-08-21): MiniOS 20230606, system user accounts, how Red Hat clones are moving forward, Haiku improves WINE performance, Debian turns 30 |
| • Issue 1032 (2023-08-14): MX Linux 23, positioning new windows on the desktop, Linux Containers adopts LXD fork, Oracle, SUSE, and CIQ form OpenELA |
| • Issue 1031 (2023-08-07): Peppermint OS 2023-07-01, preventing a file from being changed, Asahi Linux partners with Fedora, Linux Mint plans new releases |
| • Issue 1030 (2023-07-31): Solus 4.4, Linux Mint 21.2, Debian introduces RISC-V support, Ubuntu patches custom kernel bugs, FreeBSD imports OpenSSL 3 |
| • Issue 1029 (2023-07-24): Running Murena on the Fairphone 4, Flatpak vs Snap sandboxing technologies, Redox OS plans to borrow Linux drivers to expand hardware support, Debian updates Bookworm media |
| • Issue 1028 (2023-07-17): KDE Connect; Oracle, SUSE, and AlmaLinux repsond to Red Hat's source code policy change, KaOS issues media fix, Slackware turns 30; security and immutable distributions |
| • Issue 1027 (2023-07-10): Crystal Linux 2023-03-16, StartOS (embassyOS 0.3.4.2), changing options on a mounted filesystem, Murena launches Fairphone 4 in North America, Fedora debates telemetry for desktop team |
| • Issue 1026 (2023-07-03): Kumander Linux 1.0, Red Hat changing its approach to sharing source code, TrueNAS offers SMB Multichannel, Zorin OS introduces upgrade utility |
| • Issue 1025 (2023-06-26): KaOS with Plasma 6, information which can leak from desktop environments, Red Hat closes door on sharing RHEL source code, SUSE introduces new security features |
| • Issue 1024 (2023-06-19): Debian 12, a safer way to use dd, Debian releases GNU/Hurd 2023, Ubuntu 22.10 nears its end of life, FreeBSD turns 30 |
| • Issue 1023 (2023-06-12): openSUSE 15.5 Leap, the differences between independent distributions, openSUSE lengthens Leap life, Murena offers new phone for North America |
| • Issue 1022 (2023-06-05): GetFreeOS 2023.05.01, Slint 15.0-3, Liya N4Si, cleaning up crowded directories, Ubuntu plans Snap-based variant, Red Hat dropping LireOffice RPM packages |
| • Issue 1021 (2023-05-29): rlxos GNU/Linux, colours in command line output, an overview of Void's unique features, how to use awk, Microsoft publishes a Linux distro |
| • Issue 1020 (2023-05-22): UBports 20.04, finding another machine's IP address, finding distros with a specific kernel, Debian prepares for Bookworm |
| • Issue 1019 (2023-05-15): Rhino Linux (Beta), checking which applications reply on a package, NethServer reborn, System76 improving application responsiveness |
| • Issue 1018 (2023-05-08): Fedora 38, finding relevant manual pages, merging audio files, Fedora plans new immutable edition, Mint works to fix Secure Boot issues |
| • Issue 1017 (2023-05-01): Xubuntu 23.04, Debian elects Project Leaders and updates media, systemd to speed up restarts, Guix System offering ground-up source builds, where package managers install files |
| • Issue 1016 (2023-04-24): Qubes OS 4.1.2, tracking bandwidth usage, Solus resuming development, FreeBSD publishes status report, KaOS offers preview of Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1015 (2023-04-17): Manjaro Linux 22.0, Trisquel GNU/Linux 11.0, Arch Linux powering PINE64 tablets, Ubuntu offering live patching on HWE kernels, gaining compression on ex4 |
| • Issue 1014 (2023-04-10): Quick looks at carbonOS, LibreELEC, and Kodi, Mint polishes themes, Fedora rolls out more encryption plans, elementary OS improves sideloading experience |
| • Issue 1013 (2023-04-03): Alpine Linux 3.17.2, printing manual pages, Ubuntu Cinnamon becomes official flavour, Endeavour OS plans for new installer, HardenedBSD plans for outage |
| • Issue 1012 (2023-03-27): siduction 22.1.1, protecting privacy from proprietary applications, GNOME team shares new features, Canonical updates Ubuntu 20.04, politics and the Linux kernel |
| • Issue 1011 (2023-03-20): Serpent OS, Security Onion 2.3, Gentoo Live, replacing the scp utility, openSUSE sees surge in downloads, Debian runs elction with one candidate |
| • Issue 1010 (2023-03-13): blendOS 2023.01.26, keeping track of which files a package installs, improved network widget coming to elementary OS, Vanilla OS changes its base distro |
| • Issue 1009 (2023-03-06): Nemo Mobile and the PinePhone, matching the performance of one distro on another, Linux Mint adds performance boosts and security, custom Ubuntu and Debian builds through Cubic |
| • Issue 1008 (2023-02-27): elementary OS 7.0, the benefits of boot environments, Purism offers lapdock for Librem 5, Ubuntu community flavours directed to drop Flatpak support for Snap |
| • Issue 1007 (2023-02-20): helloSystem 0.8.0, underrated distributions, Solus team working to repair their website, SUSE testing Micro edition, Canonical publishes real-time edition of Ubuntu 22.04 |
| • Issue 1006 (2023-02-13): Playing music with UBports on a PinePhone, quick command line and shell scripting questions, Fedora expands third-party software support, Vanilla OS adds Nix package support |
| • Issue 1005 (2023-02-06): NuTyX 22.12.0 running CDE, user identification numbers, Pop!_OS shares COSMIC progress, Mint makes keyboard and mouse options more accessible |
| • Issue 1004 (2023-01-30): OpenMandriva ROME, checking the health of a disk, Debian adopting OpenSnitch, FreeBSD publishes status report |
| • Issue 1003 (2023-01-23): risiOS 37, mixing package types, Fedora seeks installer feedback, Sparky offers easier persistence with USB writer |
| • Issue 1002 (2023-01-16): Vanilla OS 22.10, Nobara Project 37, verifying torrent downloads, Haiku improvements, HAMMER2 being ports to NetBSD |
| • Issue 1001 (2023-01-09): Arch Linux, Ubuntu tests new system installer, porting KDE software to OpenBSD, verifying files copied properly |
| • Issue 1000 (2023-01-02): Our favourite projects of all time, Fedora trying out unified kernel images and trying to speed up shutdowns, Slackware tests new kernel, detecting what is taking up disk space |
| • Issue 999 (2022-12-19): Favourite distributions of 2022, Fedora plans Budgie spin, UBports releasing security patches for 16.04, Haiku working on new ports |
| • Issue 998 (2022-12-12): OpenBSD 7.2, Asahi Linux enages video hardware acceleration on Apple ARM computers, Manjaro drops proprietary codecs from Mesa package |
| • Issue 997 (2022-12-05): CachyOS 221023 and AgarimOS, working with filenames which contain special characters, elementary OS team fixes delta updates, new features coming to Xfce |
| • Issue 996 (2022-11-28): Void 20221001, remotely shutting down a machine, complex aliases, Fedora tests new web-based installer, Refox OS running on real hardware |
| • Issue 995 (2022-11-21): Fedora 37, swap files vs swap partitions, Unity running on Arch, UBports seeks testers, Murena adds support for more devices |
| • Issue 994 (2022-11-14): Redcore Linux 2201, changing the terminal font size, Fedora plans Phosh spin, openSUSE publishes on-line manual pages, disabling Snap auto-updates |
| • Issue 993 (2022-11-07): Static Linux, working with just a kernel, Mint streamlines Flatpak management, updates coming to elementary OS |
| • Issue 992 (2022-10-31): Lubuntu 22.10, setting permissions on home directories, Linux may drop i486, Fedora delays next version for OpenSSL bug |
| • Issue 991 (2022-10-24): XeroLinux 2022.09, learning who ran sudo, exploring firewall tools, Rolling Rhino Remix gets a fresh start, Fedora plans to revamp live media |
| • Issue 990 (2022-10-17): ravynOS 0.4.0, Lion Linux 3.0, accessing low numbered network ports, Pop!_OS makes progress on COSMIC, Murena launches new phone |
| • Issue 989 (2022-10-10): Ubuntu Unity, kernel bug causes issues with Intel cards, Canonical offers free Ubuntu Pro subscriptions, customizing the command line prompt |
| • Issue 988 (2022-10-03): SpiralLinux 11.220628, finding distros for older equipment and other purposes, SUSE begins releasing ALP prototypes, Debian votes on non-free firmware in installer |
| • Issue 987 (2022-09-26): openSUSE's MicroOS, converting people to using Linux, pfSense updates base system and PHP, Python 2 dropped from Arch |
| • Issue 986 (2022-09-19): Porteus 5.0, remotely wiping a hard drive, a new software centre for Ubuntu, Proxmox offers offline updates |
| • Issue 985 (2022-09-12): Garuda Linux, using root versus sudo, UBports on the Fairphone 4, Slackware reverses change to grep |
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