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1 • Solus (by vern on 2020-03-02 00:47:22 GMT from United States)
I tried Solus, and I believe it uses way to much efi, fat partition memory for me to use. There was something on that line that didn't work well.
2 • Solus (by Carlos Felipe Araujo on 2020-03-02 01:12:19 GMT from Brazil)
I tried Solus, but I love XFCE and I can't use it...
3 • Solus 'Budgie': another viewpoint. (by R. Cain on 2020-03-02 01:21:02 GMT from United States)
"Solus 4.1 Budgie review - Me luck has run out"
Updated: February 22, 2020
“...Sometimes, I wonder if I should stop testing Linux distributions for good. The soul toll is immense. Not just the fact that things can fail, which can be okay now and then, but the whole unnecessary rollercoaster of pointless regressions and unpredictability...”
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/solus-4-1-budgie.html
4 • Solus (by jonathon on 2020-03-02 01:32:04 GMT from Australia)
When distrohopping to Solus I'll often choose Mate over Budgie. This is mainly due to the lack of a system monitoring applet for Budgie, and my laziness, for not just overlaying conky. I think I am just spoilt for choice by all the richness of the Linux world.
5 • Seeking-older-packages (by Jeffrydada on 2020-03-02 01:52:51 GMT from United States)
Rosa, ships both a KDE4 and Plasma versions in it's latest releases. I don't know the level of maitenance they provide for KDE4 applications but the default KDE4 desktop uses the "Homerun" style full screen menu which I always favored, going all the way back to Mandrake/Mandriva - that Rosa is a fork of. Once apon a time Mandrake was the King of Linux Distros and I loved it. For a nostalgic reason I once rebranded a Rosa KDE4 (desktop fresh 9) with artwork and logos from Mandrake 9. It was very cool!!
6 • KDE's Plasma 5 updated loses functionality for personalizations. (by Bobbie Sellers on 2020-03-02 04:59:19 GMT from United States)
With its latest revision Plasma 5 has become less pleasant to work with but not as
bad as it was when introduced,
I have been using KDE since Mandriva 2006, the updates have always caused
problems for me because I am accustomed to using it in a certain way and
that is almost always changed at the beginning of a version number.
Eventually the flaws are ironed out but some of the best features have
been neglected in the recent flood of releases.
KDE System Settings
Currently the login screen is stuck with the user name revealing version
or a completely blank login which does not even show "***" for the password
characters. So far I see no way to change this.
No longer can we download to the relevant directories background,
themes or any other part of the system we are used to altering.
This machine which has been upgraded since 5 came out has
not yet lost that capacity but my machine which I take to LUG
meeting can no longer demonstrate the capability.
bliss
7 • Solus MATE thank you (by mojo on 2020-03-02 05:23:15 GMT from New Zealand)
I just replaced a flaky (but highly rated on DW) distro with Solus MATE 4.1. A gust of fresh air in a room full of stuffy same-as distros. The updater may be a bit slower than bigger distros with more and faster mirrors, but Solus has a good selection of very up to date software (way ahead of the Debuntu clan). Smooth and solid, predictable in operation - which is exactly what my application needs.
:) I always smile at all the quotes "attributed" to (Mark Twain) ... haha :) Prolific he was, quoted he is.
8 • OpenSUSE Leap 15.2 (by Gerhard Goetzhaber on 2020-03-02 06:46:47 GMT from Austria)
Evenly using it as my main system for any purpose, I've been working on this alpha for more than two months continously. While having liked Leap much from it's beginning, I can't do but seeing this latest edition as the greatest milestone OpenSUSE has ever brought to engaged GNU Linux customers as besides it's wellknown reliability it's now shipped with a contemporary kernel (5.3 with Leap's own backports) the first time. However, same-same all Linuxes getting installed to my workstations and laptops, due to my best experience it's set up with XFS partitions (as root, too) and Xfce (Phoronix nerds will not like me : ) exclusively ...
9 • Solus, into dismal darkness (by hank on 2020-03-02 07:36:05 GMT from Germany)
Black on black with blurry blackness, makes you think your eyesight is failing.
No one action way to go to light theming. Fonts look out of focus, like through mucky glasses or
trying to read after too much guiness.
Sorry this only moves me in one direction. Reformat USB stick and forget.
10 • Solus (by OstroL on 2020-03-02 08:22:45 GMT from Poland)
@Joshua Holm,
Would you like say something about the fact that the Budgie DE is not moving ahead any more?
11 • Solus (by Roger on 2020-03-02 12:35:48 GMT from Belgium)
Mate, always Mate it is my prefered desktop.
I install it in every Distro I test, otherwise XFCE when there is no other way or I don't want to do much.
12 • SolusOS (by Barnabyh on 2020-03-02 12:43:00 GMT from Germany)
Hi Joshua, thanks for the review. I tried all four editions of Solus recently for comparison and the one with the Budgie desktop is by far the heaviest, it responded slowly even on an eight core and ram usage was through the roof (in comparison). It uses even more resources on top of GNOME. GNOME Shell fared marginally better but I found only Plasma or MATE are useful choices if one actually wants to use their desktop without getting frustrated by that heavy, slow feeling interaction.
Otherwise nice looking but too dark, as mentioned.
13 • KDE 4 vs. CentOS (by Microlinux on 2020-03-02 12:52:59 GMT from France)
Hi,
There's a mistake in the text above. KDE 4 is still shipping with CentOS 7 and will thus be maintained until june 2024.
Slackware 14.2 is still maintained and also offers a very polished KDE 4.
14 • Solus 4.1 (by Rick on 2020-03-02 13:26:24 GMT from United States)
"Solus 4.1 is a very polished distribution" Really? Dedoimedo says, "But these (good points) are more than offset by glitches, bugs and the installation trouble. It's a no-go. Dedoimedo, sad and out." I've had niightmares with other Solus releases and have never managed to install it on any of my Lenovo Thinkpads. Nothing personal, but I will go with Dedoimedo's assessment and have done so for years.
15 • Older versions of KDE (by dragonmouth on 2020-03-02 13:53:49 GMT from United States)
PCLinuxOS offers a version with Trinity DE which they maintain up to date.
16 • Solus and DE (by Friar Tux on 2020-03-02 13:58:31 GMT from Canada)
I voted 'I don't use Solus'. I tried it, but it didn't seem to wanna play nice for me. Besides, my DE of choice is Cinnamon. (Though I HAVE given Budgie the occasional sideways glance. I kind of like the Raven idea.)
As for the black-like background, I prefer it, for the very reason Joshua mentions - my eyesight. I find staring at the average 'light' theme is like staring at a 60 watt bulb so I use a 'dark' theme. However, I have come to hate the standard 'dark' themes that most distros use as they are just variations of a really ugly grey. I usually rework any theme to a background of black, with the font in cyan and any borders in dark cyan. I find this quite easy on my eyes. (Since I've discovered the Oomox Theme Builder, themes have been so much nicer to adjust and/or build, and Oomox does a beautiful job.) By the way, the black background also extends the battery life on my HP Pavilion quite a bit.
17 • Solus (by Hoos on 2020-03-02 14:44:39 GMT from Singapore)
Solus is an OK choice as the only distro on a computer if you're happy with the packages in their curated repository. You get a rolling distro you don't have to worry about updating.
However, it doesn't seem to play nice with others when you try to install it on a multi distro machine where you don't want it to control the bootloading.
I say this as someone who has been trying out different versions of it, including the latest 4.1, since it was EvolveOS.
18 • Solus and Budgie (by akoi on 2020-03-02 15:51:01 GMT from United Kingdom)
Budgie won't go forward. Maybe, one of the reasons why its creator had left suddenly and without letting others know. He has been starting something, then dropping it halfway.
19 • Solus (by Otis on 2020-03-02 15:58:45 GMT from United States)
As noted @18 there have been team issues at Solus.. but at least they're moving along and the distro did not go the way of others which ended or were absorbed by other projects. I can see what they're trying to do at Solus. It looks good to me and the hope is that it'll pick up energy and live up to expectations.
My experiences with Solus over the years has been very good. I just ended up gravitating to Arch based distros.
20 • Trinity (by Cheker on 2020-03-02 18:26:32 GMT from Portugal)
I use Q4OS Trinity on my laptop held together by duct tape. I love it. In certain ways I think Trinity has surpassed KDE as my favorite DE (I realize it's a fork of KDE3). I currently have it set to resemble WinXP, which it already does a fair bit as it is. I hope it doesn't go away anytime soon.
21 • Trinity - TDE (by Andy on 2020-03-02 19:42:11 GMT from United States)
The Trinity Desktop, TDE, is a continuation of KDE3.5, updated and improved.
It is available in PCLinuxOS as a very polished community desktop project with frequent releases. PCLinuxOS is a systemd-free distro.
It is available in Q4OS.
The Exe GNU/Linux distro is Devuan based, previously Debian, with TDE as the desktop environment.
Trinity is alive and, hopefully, well. Viva TDE!
:-)
22 • @21 - Exe GNU/Linux (by Andy Prough on 2020-03-03 05:35:14 GMT from United States)
> The Exe GNU/Linux distro is Devuan based, previously Debian, with TDE as the desktop environment.
Exe GNU/Linux is also a Libre-Linux distro, which is a big plus. Also, it gives a very simple way of installing Devuan testing, which is a huge bonus.
23 • Comment on #6 (by cholo on 2020-03-03 20:06:34 GMT from United States)
I have to agree with most of what Bobbie was saying, KDE was my favorite DE, until 5. It seems they were taking more and more personalization away all the time. So I moved on to XFCE. It's lighter and you can still customize it the way I want. KDE moved down to almost the bottom anymore, along with Unity and Windows. Such a shame!
24 • Where to vent? Who is to blame? (by surrender on 2020-03-04 03:22:14 GMT from New Zealand)
Today I have reached the very end of my tether of patience with distros. Bling, UI bling, and half broken applications. I keep saying it, a distro has to just DO a job, production counts, playing sysadmin nanny is not an option.
The hero of today's misadventure is Inkscape. Under Extensions, Render, Barcode you can create EAN-13 and several others. Well, under Mint 19.3, you can't:
The fantastic lxml wrapper for libxml2 is required by inkex.py and therefore this extension.Please download and install the latest version from http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/lxml/, or install it through your package manager by a command like: sudo apt-get install python-lxml
Technical details:
No module named lxml
Is it Debian to blame, or Ubuntu, or Mint? I think the grenade lands closer to the root of the tree than the minty leaves. For crying out loud guys, this is 2020. Solus, works fine. Manjaro, work fine. What is up? I really want to understand why this is broken in a distro that has prided itself for over a decade with "everything just works". Is this Debian and down, and I must dump the whole family tree? So please post replies, I genuinely wish to understand before just throwing in the towel and just migrating for one dependency that was somehow skipped in the packaging.
25 • @24: Where to vent? Who is to blame? (by Titus Groan on 2020-03-04 06:48:27 GMT from New Zealand)
to be honest, you should first look further up the tree.
of course, to be absolutely sure, install Debian, and see if there is a problem there.
you have already explored some non-Ubuntu distros and discovered that the problem does not appear to exist in those linux branches.
you have already learnt your way around the ubuntu universe of doing things.
maybe it is time to throw in the towel and learn some non-ubuntu ways of doing things.
so many things to try: gentoo and friends, arch and friends, the RPM clan and of course The Slackers.
if I missed someone, it was unintentional.
and desktops too, why limit yourself to just Mints offerings, after all, pure Gnome, Budgie, Pantheon and all the rest are available, who knows you might just like them all!
26 • @ 24 where to ask... (by OstroL on 2020-03-04 07:24:52 GMT from Poland)
"Well, under Mint 19.3, you can't:"
Well, go ask in the Mint forums.
27 • @24 (by Debian User on 2020-03-04 12:38:56 GMT from Canada)
You're right, libxml2 is not in the Debian repos. Why? You can find the deb packages here https://pkgs.org/download/libxml2 I assume the Ubuntu packages work in Mint.
28 • Oh yes it is (by anticapitalista on 2020-03-04 13:56:59 GMT from Greece)
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libxml2&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
29 • @24 (by Andy Prough on 2020-03-04 17:21:24 GMT from United States)
Both libxml2 and python-lxml are in the Debian Buster repo.
My bigger concern with Debian is the age of many of their packages in the stable and testing repos. For example, they are running a version of KDE packages that's a couple years old. If I want the latest PDF editing features from okular, I can't get it without switching to Debian Sid unstable and pulling in all the newer KDE packages, or using a flatpak okular package that is crippled and cannot print and cannot save most changes.
30 • systemd release (by knightly koders on 2020-03-05 01:45:40 GMT from Australia)
There's a major update of systemd (245) coming out soon, with even more control tools. so it looks like the complaints against it are falling on deaf ears. it seems to be living up to its reputation as being a feature-creep software that is typical of monolithic OSs.
31 • Issue raised in comment #30 (by Barnabyh on 2020-03-05 12:45:05 GMT from Germany)
It's all a concerted effort to bring GNU/Linux and open source to heel and make it more 'manageable' for the powers that be with backdoors and surveillance. A multi-pronged approach to manage it from the inside.
If you also consider the changes at the Linux Foundation with several ex-MS employees now in inportant positions
http://techrights.org/2020/03/05/lf-leadership/
http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
and that Let's encrypt is obviously owned by the security services and just had to revoke more than 3 Milion certs http://techrights.org/2020/03/04/lets-ask-lets-encrypt/ it all adds up. Embrace and extinguish. Still not sure that the unique MachineID generated by systemd is that harmless either.
The days of changing over to BSD draw ever closer (for me).
32 • systemd(isaster) (by Renan Figueiredo on 2020-03-05 13:51:39 GMT from Brazil)
@30: * it seems to be living up to its reputation as being a feature-creep software that is typical of monolithic OSs. *
@31: * The days of changing over to BSD draw ever closer (for me). *
Yes, knightly koders and Barnabyh, you are right. Red Hat became powerful enough to dominate everything, from kernel to userland. The days of community-controlled Linux development are numbered. The dream is over!
I'm now flirting with NomadBSD (on the desktop) and OpenBSD (on the server) trying to get rid of those increasingly "pestilent" Linux distros. I prefer to be a "masturbating monkey" than a slave of any evil corporation.
33 • Gave it a chance. (by Garon on 2020-03-05 14:33:11 GMT from United States)
I went to the website techrights.org, even tho it's not a secure connection, and had a look around. It is more or less a conspiracy theory site. It's not all bad but it's not all good either. Was reading an article titled "THIS IS ETHICS*!" and had to just stop when I read the statement, "Eric Raymond, whose essay ‘The Cathedral and the Bazaar’ served as a call to arms for what he began to term the ‘open-source’ software movement, accompanying the release of his open-source operating system Linux."
Wow! That's when I stopped reading. How can you be so wrong about something? I wonder what else they're totally wrong about? Not saying they are bad people or trying to mislead, but just not always correct.
Back on topic. It seems that Solus with the Budgie environment is what people really have problems with. Otherwise it's not a bad distro.
34 • systemd/bsd/evil empire etc (by Otis on 2020-03-05 19:20:16 GMT from United States)
..and why would bsd be not in the sights of these neferious spies from Microsoft?
35 • systemd/bsd/evil empire etc (by Marcos Pereira de Sousa on 2020-03-06 00:22:59 GMT from Brazil)
@34 - "..and why would bsd be not in the sights of these neferious spies from Microsoft? "
Of course they are, as anything that is *open*...also known as "no secrets to spy here, only open source software..."
36 • Cynic (by Cynic on 2020-03-06 16:28:14 GMT from Ghana)
Given the number of choices this site alone has to offer, I am a bit surprised at the number of people saying they're going to stop using a kernel based on a distribution's choices.
Imagine if X11 was rejected simply because someone had a philosophical disagreement over a Window managers design or implementation.. it makes no sense.
While I do have a passion for the BSDs, until the hardware support and app availability improves, I (sadly) have little use for it. It is possible that many who wish to switch to BSD are also simply fans of the "underdog" which isn't really that bad (as it will help the project develop), but it should not be done without at least making the differences clear to those who may expect full compatibility.
If you are looking for a Linux which has (always) remained pure to the UNIX philosophy, not the SystemD-to-rule-them-all monolithic monstrosities, do the reading and use Slackware. Hopefully new distros will start to consider that solid base in the future.
37 • @36 Cynic (by Friar Tux on 2020-03-06 21:49:18 GMT from Canada)
While I agree 100% with your BSD opinion, I do have a problem with Slackware and Slackware derivatives - they simply DO NOT WORK (some don't even instal (some sort of error)). And I've tried them all. In fact of the hundreds of distros I've played with only the ones with systemd worked out-of-box. And of those Linux Mint was the most consistent. To me the number one priority to having an OS is that it WORKS when and the way I need it to work. I have copious notes on all the distros I tested:- most non-systemd distros did not work out-of-box - with the exception of MX linux, though it needed a bit of fiddling to find the wifi; none of the grandad distros worked (SUSE, Slackware, Fedora, Debian, etc.). So, while most of the opinions here are great reading, the final straw is that, whatever you choose, it has to work. (Unless, Linux really is just a hobby OS for you and you have the desire and time to fiddle with it.)
"Given the number of choices this site alone has to offer, I am a bit surprised at the number of people saying they're going to stop using a kernel based on a distribution's choices.
Imagine if X11 was rejected simply because someone had a philosophical disagreement over a Window managers design or implementation.. it makes no sense."
I'm as surprised as you, Cynic. It does make no sense.
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| • Issue 996 (2022-11-28): Void 20221001, remotely shutting down a machine, complex aliases, Fedora tests new web-based installer, Refox OS running on real hardware |
| • Issue 995 (2022-11-21): Fedora 37, swap files vs swap partitions, Unity running on Arch, UBports seeks testers, Murena adds support for more devices |
| • Issue 994 (2022-11-14): Redcore Linux 2201, changing the terminal font size, Fedora plans Phosh spin, openSUSE publishes on-line manual pages, disabling Snap auto-updates |
| • Issue 993 (2022-11-07): Static Linux, working with just a kernel, Mint streamlines Flatpak management, updates coming to elementary OS |
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