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1 • Fairly small amount of memory (by whoKnows on 2019-12-09 07:02:51 GMT from United Kingdom)
"Trident, when running from a command line, uses a fairly small amount of memory (150MB) ..."
If memory usage is important at all, since today, even the cheap computers alredy have 8GB RAM ...
Astra Linux (Orel) is using custom KDE Plasma (== "Fly") and is using approx. 180 ~ 190 MB RAM. More or less, close to antiX with IceWM. ;)
Just sayin'.
2 • Trident (by m3city on 2019-12-09 08:29:36 GMT from Poland)
That move is an essence of failure. What is left from bsd after that move? Why bother using it if developers jump like jumping jack on system's backbone? (Btw, Is there anyone out there who remembers an amiga game of that title?;)
Such a waste of resources. Further fragmentation. I understand and appreciate selection in linux world, but this diversity might have been usefull years ago. I believe that what is neccessary today is consolidation and focus on projects that can be kept afloat. We are constantly underpressure of mortages, underpaid jobs, uncertainity of life in general, and thus it's a little bit useless if talented and generous people, who donate their free time to develop programs/distribute linux spend it that way.
3 • Trident (by DaveT on 2019-12-09 08:49:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
I understand their decision to move away from FreeBSD to Void but I am saddened by it,
I like the BSDs and would have preferred that they add what they need into FreeBSD. And yes, I know that would have been a major task!
The downside to FreeBSD is they don't support older hardware. I like to keep my old stuff running. OpenBSD and NetBSD allow me to do that.
The Lumina desktop is not bad, getting it running well on linux will be well worth it.
Void looks like a really good choice to move Trident to.
4 • Trident (by Georigios on 2019-12-09 10:19:36 GMT from United States)
@2 You seems to overestimate the move of Trident from Free Bsd to Void.
"That move is an essence of failure" - Why? It is a start of a new project.
"What is left from bsd after that move?" - What is left? Well, the entire FreeBsd.
"Why bother using it if developers jump like jumping jack on system's backbone?" - Maybe because it works. Ask Netflix, Sony, Yahoo, Yandex etc.
Stop complainig abour fragmentation and waste of resources. People are free to work on project they like.
" We are constantly underpressure of mortages, underpaid jobs, uncertainity of life in general" -- oh hell yes, yes, yes!!!!!! But this is not Tridents or Linux` fault.
5 • Trident (by Chris on 2019-12-09 12:59:38 GMT from United States)
While I understand the reasons why the Trident project wishes to move to Void as its new base, I hope they understand that many people used their operating system because they wanted a BSD and not just another Linux distro. There are already myriad Linux distros for every taste and function. Once Trident fully transitions, what will it have to offer that the many other distros already do? My guess is not much.
6 • Trident (by Roy Davies on 2019-12-09 14:20:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
I am not familiar with Trident, nor do I wish to be. Like @5, why try reinventing the wheel?
All of the Linux distros that interest me are tried and tested, and satisfy my requirements.
7 • Trident (by IamWhoIam on 2019-12-09 15:16:44 GMT from Hungary)
A BSD-to-linux switch is so huge leap time will tell was it a good idea.
As the say in benefits: "Stable: Keep it running all day, every day, without loss of performance."
Hope keep that stable tag!
NomadBSD 1.3 is now available! - 2019-12-07
https://nomadbsd.org/
8 • @6 Ron Davies: (by dragonmouth on 2019-12-09 16:26:28 GMT from United States)
"why try reinventing the wheel?"
Because of developers' hubris. Every one of them is convinced that their way is the best and the only way. All this blather about "People are free to work on project they like." and "providing choice" is just an attempt to justify a selfish and self-centered "I want to do MY way!" Out of the 900+ distros in the DW database, more than half are either dormant, discontinued or dead. Who knows how many more are breathing their last? All that "choice" has accomplished is to create confusion, fragmentation and splintering.
9 • Trident switch to Void Linux (by Ankleface Wroughlandmire on 2019-12-09 16:30:04 GMT from Ecuador)
I am cautiously optimistic about Trident switching to Void Linux. I think it has become abundantly clear after all these years that *BSD will never make for a good desktop system, despite its many technical superiorities over Linux. Especially for using proprietary software and drivers, I think that it's just not worth the effort on *BSD, if it's even possible at all. And I'm not even referring just to graphics hardware, for example I have an Epson printer that works perfectly on Linux, but with a proprietary driver that's installable via a DEB or RPM package. And there's a plethora of proprietary remote access and VoIP applications that also have DEB and RPM packages. Whether we like it or not, there will always be a usage case for some users that *need* the functionality that only proprietary packages can provide.
With that being said, I also wonder about the effort barrier of getting proprietary software and drivers running on a Void base, with its non-standard package and filesystem layout.
I think it makes sense for Trident to choose Void as a base, since the base system is definitely less user-friendly but technically very well put-together, similar to the *BSDs. So there should be a lot of opportunity for Trident to apply its special sauce.
I am excited about Trident offering ZFS on root, although I was hoping that it would come from a normal binary package, not DKMS. I don't know if Void already handles the ZFS module matchup with their latest kernel versions, or if Trident will have to always chase after the latest Void kernel releases to keep the ZFS module current. They'll have to be careful to not let users get into situations where the kernel upgrades but the ZFS module is no longer compatible, even if they do have boot environments to rollback and save the ship.
I really wish that Trident would eventually offer editions with any other desktop that is not Lumina, which frankly seems pointless and deficient compared to pretty much any other desktop option, especially now that they're no longer limited by the difficulty of getting other desktops running on the *BSDs.
So, thanks and congratulations to Trident for their pragmatism and efforts in this interesting space.
10 • Trident (by Cheker on 2019-12-09 18:25:19 GMT from Portugal)
For Linux it's just another user friendly(ish) distro that joins dozens. For BSD it's one of the only ones that it had to begin with. But if the devs feel the Void base better serves their objectives, then more power to them. They obviously have that right.
11 • @9: (by dragonmouth on 2019-12-09 19:36:50 GMT from United States)
"I think it has become abundantly clear after all these years that *BSD will never make for a good desktop system, despite its many technical superiorities over Linux."
The same has been claimed by Windows supporters about Linux vis-a-vis Windows.
12 • @ 9 (by Lin on 2019-12-09 19:59:53 GMT from United States)
"I think it has become abundantly clear after all these years that *BSD will never make for a good desktop system, despite its many technical superiorities over Linux."
You forgot Mac OS...
13 • Trident (by poseidon on 2019-12-09 20:46:32 GMT from Moldova, Republic of)
I think that ditching FreeBSD is a mistake,
It would be really nice if they wouldn't do it,
but still would move to Void and keep existing bsd version too.
In this way there would be 2 distributions of Lumina.
which would benefit Lumina working with current mesa and hardware
and porting it to wayland right now,
instead of waiting for wayland to be ported to BSD and rewriting lumina.
I think that current situation is still a win,
BSD will still get a new desktop which works with wayland and mesa and new hardware,
and Linux will get better ZFS userspace tools.
14 • Project Trident migrating (by Roger on 2019-12-09 22:46:59 GMT from Belgium)
I think they should migrate to a different platform, namely Debian.
That's my opinion, after trying different distro I stick with Debian based ones.
Another distro that joins the club makes Debian stronger.
For me it's Linux Mint Mate number one (all PC), Ubuntu Mate two (only one PC) that is to keep an eye on Mate my desktop of choice.
15 • Trident Project (by Galo on 2019-12-10 02:59:33 GMT from Peru)
No confidence ...
Searching for a replacement to Windows 7 y found PC-BSD 10 ... the best O.S. and distro I ever foound. Its main drawback: ZFS took the whole HD drive,
Sooner PC-BSD become a bare bones O.S. with another name. Later it was switched to "Trident Project" under freeBSD.
Now it is becoming a LinUX distro. There is no heck on it.
16 • Project Trident migrating from FreeBSD to Void. What do you think of the move? (by R. Cain on 2019-12-10 05:50:09 GMT from United States)
Does what we think matter one whit to the developers?
Are they going to change their mind(s) on the basis of this poll?...on the basis of what *WE* think?
17 • Linux Mint 19.3 Xfce (by R. Cain on 2019-12-10 06:36:04 GMT from United States)
"...Further details can be found in the project's release announcements (Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce) and in the What's New document. Download (pkglist): ... linuxmint-19.3-xfce-64bit-beta.iso (1,900MB, SHA256, signature, torrent)..."
1.9 GIGABYTES FOR THE XFCE VERSION?
When their same "Number-One-On-Distrowatch-Since-The-Last-Ice-Age version" was 1300 MB? (which was almost four years ago. Mint has never even APPROACHED being “Number One” on DistroWatch, since.)
Getting not just a little fat, are we? Wonder why their donations are dropping? Could be because they don't have time to fix all the bugs and regressions they introduce with their latest, greatest and glitziest copy of Ubuntu. Besides, ALL those bugs and regressions will be fixed in the NEXT latest, greatest...
18 • Devuan (by Cray XMP on 2019-12-10 09:23:18 GMT from France)
@14 "I think they should migrate to a different platform, namely Debian."
You probably meant Devuan ! If not, why add the systemd burden to the move ?
19 • Project Trident (by anon on 2019-12-10 10:35:19 GMT from United States)
I don't understand IX Systems. The one thing that Trident/TrueOS/PC-BSD had going for it was that it was a desktop focused BSD that the average non-unix user could install and immediately use with little to no issues. Abandoning *BSD alienates the only people who had any real interest in the project, and rebasing to Linux makes the project pointless and irrelevant due to the fact that there are several highly polished distros that offer what Trident offers, but at a much higher level of quality.
Similarly, what about Lumina? The only thing that made it worthwhile was that it was a native DE for the BSD world. The quality of Lumina is laughable compared to the more established Linux focused DE's, but it was forgivable because it represented an attempt to do something that had not been done before on its target platform. Now, what do they do with it? If they abandon it, then it was a complete waste of time. If they make it Linux native, then it becomes just another DE in an ocean of DE's, and it is not even close to the quality of what Linux offered even 5 years ago.
And TrueOS? The standalone fork of FreeBSD, not the desktop focused spin with Lumina DE (let me be specific because IX Systems has an issue when it comes to naming things). With the new focus on Linux, will they continue to maintain their own BSD fork? Judging by the number of commits, it seems like a firm "no". How will this affect FreeNAS going forward?
I'm sorry to sound so negative, but this decision was a slap in the face to everybody who believed in what IX Systems was trying to do. It leaves a lot of people in an extremely awkward situation, and it calls into question the legitimacy of everything that IX Systems does going forward. Even Eric decided to switch GhostBSD's base back to FreeBSD, and leave TrueOS behind. Besides, if somebody wants a BSD-like experience without dealing with the BSD's, they could just use Gentoo and its portage system. Oh, and as far as ZFS goes, there is the ZOL project. So, what do they bring to the table with Trident + Void base other than the fact that they have turned their backs on their BSD supporters? They've basically waved the white flag and destroyed their reputation in the process.
20 • Don't diss the GPL dragonmouth (by Garon on 2019-12-10 13:30:47 GMT from United States)
dragonmouth said, All this blather about "People are free to work on project they like." and "providing choice" is just an attempt to justify a selfish and self-centered "I want to do MY way!" All that "choice" has accomplished is to create confusion, fragmentation and splintering.
I have never seen so much disrespect for the GPL and the FLOSS world. You very much sound like you want everyone in the world of Linux to be doing the same thing, working on the same thing and thinking the same way. Maybe Linux and BSD are not for you. You could very well fit in the world of MS Windows or maybe even Apple. You would be very happy without having all of those confusing choices.
21 • Trident and Void (by FedUpMonkeyMan on 2019-12-10 15:04:15 GMT from Mexico)
One thing that nobody has so far mentioned about this migration, which is worth mentioning is that Voisd Linux is one of the few distros that do not use Systemd, it uses Runit. In my opinion, that makes this migration a definite candidate as my future OS especially with the inclusion of ZFS. They just need to make the installed a bit more user friendly as well as the partitioning. Make they could use Calamares in the future. It is also missing a package manager. I dont know why they cant use something from Solus for packages.
Void has massive potential, but those few kinks need to be ironed out.
22 • @20 Garon: (by dragonmouth on 2019-12-10 17:48:05 GMT from United States)
"I have never seen so much disrespect for the GPL and the FLOSS world. "
That is only YOUR interpretation. You are seeing disrespect where none exists. You are over analyzing and over thinking. My comments are directed at the one trick ponies who create a distro with some minor cosmetic differences and then abandon it.
"you want everyone in the world of Linux to be doing the same thing.............."
Now you are over dramatizing. There is a BIG difference between "doing the same thing" and over 900 distros and over 75 Window Managers and Desktop Environments. Seems like you are misunderstanding my post on purpose.
"You could very well fit in the world of MS Windows or maybe even Apple."
OH! Now you've hurt my feelings! NOT!
23 • @21: (by dragonmouth on 2019-12-10 17:51:47 GMT from United States)
If Trident developers wanted to avoid systemd, they should have kept the FreeBSD base since BSDs do not use systemd.
24 • Trident (by Joe Blogs on 2019-12-10 19:25:17 GMT from New Zealand)
I agree with many of the above. Moving from a BSD base to a Linux base is a poor choice and taking the easier route in my opinion. People that want to use a BSD desktop without the hassles tied to it, will use Trident whether features are present or not.
FreeBSD and many of the other BSDs are great platforms with tonnes of potential in the desktop space. That's what made Trident interesting. Persisting with FreeBSD as the base while harder would eventually yield greater results.
Granted Linux is alot easier to develop and maintain a desktop platform for, but there are so many. To be noticed you have to really have something to offer.
25 • Dragonmouth etc (by DaveT on 2019-12-10 19:58:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
It's like this: the developers can do whatever they want whenever they want.
How much are you paying them?
Nothing.
So STFU.
You could always develop your own BSD or Linux distro.
I can't be bothered. I have better things to do.
FYI neither systemd nor Windows nor Mac OSX are allowed in my house.
BSD first, Devuan for those few and very specialist things the BSDs can't do.
26 • At least we can agree (by CS on 2019-12-10 22:11:50 GMT from United States)
"It's like this: the developers can do whatever they want whenever they want.
How much are you paying them?
Nothing.
So STFU."
How much do I have to pay before I'm entitled to an opinion, kind sir? Is there a rate sheet posted somewhere?
Once I have paid up I'll feel free to state my opinion that these developers have chosen to move from filling a legitimate, albeit very small, niche in the market to being an inferior, me-too distribution to add to the pile of pointless Linux distributions nobody needs. Of course I won't think such forbidden thoughts until I've paid somebody!
27 • Trident to Void .. BSD vs Linux (by Jordan on 2019-12-10 22:53:16 GMT from United States)
And of course systemd comes into the discussion.
Good on all who seem to see this as freedom of developer forethought for their project(s), and of course the freedom of expression we all have in this fine comments area.
Those of you trying to stop the expression here.. well, you must be very frustrated.
Kudos to CS, post #26.
28 • Project Trident migrating (by Roger on 2019-12-10 23:17:21 GMT from Belgium)
@18 " You probably meant Devuan "
No I really mean Debian, tried Devuan and it dose not work at all !
29 • BSD to Linux (by angel trumpets on 2019-12-11 00:28:08 GMT from Australia)
There are lots of apps to choose from for one's use. But there aren't lots of OS's to choose from due to hardware / driver compatibility issues. Shame. It would be fun to be able to try lots of different OS's, but it's hard to get most of the alternative ones to even boot.
30 • Trident, systemd, etc.. (by Friar Tux on 2019-12-11 14:33:02 GMT from Canada)
While I've tried Trident, last month, and found it a total failure, I CHOOSE not to use it. Similarly, I CHOOSE to use systemd, as I find it superior and it works beautifully on my machine. The bottom line, for me, is will it work - period. If Trident plus Void works then great. If it doesn't work then don't use it. If systemd works - great - use it. If it doesn't - well, you get the drift. Just as there are many different opinions, here, there really ARE different choices as well. When I go into the local supermarket, to the soft drink aisle, I see hundreds of different brands and flavours of soft drinks. I try a few and find the ones I like best. I DO NOT stand there loudly expressing my dislike for the ones I have not chosen. (I think security would probably get involve if I did.) There is a Mark Twain quote at the bottom of this page/site that is quite appropriate here - "A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval." (Well said, Mr Twain. Well said.)
31 • Trident and Void (by FedUpMonkeyMan on 2019-12-11 15:53:29 GMT from Mexico)
Another issue which has been missed in this discussion, is the undeniable fact that Linus has complete control over the Linux kernel. He has the last say in what is included or excluded in the kernel release. Linux is an authoritarian dictatorship controlled by one man.
BSD, or rather the big 3 BSDs, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD, seem more democratic in their development approach from what i have read, but correct me if I'm wrong, but according to this article it states,
"The BSD code is not "controlled" by any one user, which many people see as a big bonus. Whereas the Linux kernel is mostly controlled by Linus Torvalds (the creator of Linux), BSD does not have a single person dictating what can and can't go into the code. Instead, BSD uses a "core team" to manage the project. This core team has more say in the direction of the project than all non-core members of the BSD community."
I think, that BSDs like FreeBSD and their flavours such as TrueOS, NomadBSD and GhostBSD have a lot to offer, namely security and for devs a more democratic avenue of software development.
I will be testing GhostBSD and if it works for my needs, will make the switch permanent.
32 • @31: (by dragonmouth on 2019-12-11 19:13:15 GMT from United States)
With the " the developers can do whatever they want whenever they want" attitude of Linux, do you want each distro developer to use his own version of the kernel??? Things are bad enough when every Tom, Dick or Harry fancies himself to be a Linux distro developer.
33 • @21 Void package manager (by Amy on 2019-12-11 19:43:43 GMT from United States)
Void _does_ have its package manager, XBPS. Or did I misunderstand your post?
34 • What does Trident bring to Void? (by Artemis3 on 2019-12-12 01:00:44 GMT from Venezuela)
I'm actually more interested to learn the differences from Void vs Trident. What is Trident adding that would be worth using vs a regular Void Linux install?
I don't need to be sold on the idea of moving into Void Linux, it is a distro i have already used before. Void Linux is not based in Debian, and that is VERY GOOD. In fact, its very BSDish because one of its developers worked on Netbsd.
Its too early to tell, but so far i think ZFS at install time is one of those. Ironically, and this wasn't mentioned in the review, ZFS is a memory hog. That 150MB number is probably half if using ext4. This might be useful for servers, but not so much for desktops. I personally use Btrfs in my desktop and that still uses far less ram (with compression).
Lumina was already available, but maybe now it will get a little better Linux support. Lumina is a very light desktop with no dependencies beyond X11 libs IIRC.
I also agree that developers are entitled to use the projects and take them where they see fit, you are welcome to follow them or not. There are other BSD desktop distros out there, not many but there are. BSD is great, and i encourage you to do so. Vanilla Freebsd with your favorite desktop should do just fine for most tasks such as in a working environment where all you use is a browser or an office suite without any weird proprietary hardware.
Someone said Linux is systemd, no it isn't. There are several distros without it, and Void happened to be one of them. Yes, runit starts real quick, for desktop use is great. Artix and Devuan can use it among others. Its anyone's choice to pick and choose what elements they want in their distro. If you want systemd, go elsewhere. Just because its Linux, doesn't mean it has to use any particular init, text editor, or desktop. Linux itself can be swapped too, but this is a counter example.
35 • Trident joining Linux (by A-Man-Who-Does-Not-Like-BSDs on 2019-12-12 01:28:04 GMT from Brazil)
I have tried a lot of BSD variants (TrueOS, Trident, GhostBSD, NomadBSD, etc). All of them where a total waste of time. The only half-decent one was NomadBSD, but it didn't recognize my USB WiFi device...
Now that the Trident project developers decided to abandon the FreeBSD base, I think it will be much positive, especially if they adopt LXQt as the new graphical environment and Otter as the standard web-browser. However, it would be even better to replace FreeBSD for Slackware Stable/Release instead of Void.
36 • @19 (by xt-at on 2019-12-12 10:40:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
iXsystems only develop FreeNAS and partner FreeBSD. To paraphrase their website blurb they are primarily "storage and server solution providers".
37 • @33 (by FedUpMonkeyMan on 2019-12-12 14:50:42 GMT from Mexico)
Misunderstood. It does have a package manager however, in the context of making Void more user friendly, they should make a graphical front end for XBPS or use something like Solus's package manager (borrow the code and modify). Command line packcage management works but its not for everyone.
38 • @37 I gave up on GUI Package Managers (by nanome on 2019-12-12 16:26:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
@37 I gave up using graphical package managers almost a decade ago. They are hard for even major, established distributions to get right and bug-free. The illusion that a graphical version of XBPS would be helpful to users new to Linux is debatable, but in those distros with both [debian, slackware?] I wonder what people choose.
39 • @38 (by FedUpMonkeyMan on 2019-12-12 19:28:53 GMT from Mexico)
For most of my installs I also use command line, but we aren't n00bs so to speak. For n00bs or relative n00bs graphical front ends for package managers are necessary. Searching for applications is much easier when using a GUI than the terminal as you don't have to remember the exact name of the package plus they usually provide an informative description for the program. There are many reasons why GUI is preferred over command line.
I think we can all agree that using a GUI package manager is what new linux users prefer regardless of the distro. The progression to command line installs happens, but over time and with experience, confidence and necessitude.
Void Linux, in that it does not use Systemd would provide relative new linux users an alternative to Systemd distros but as said, it does need a better installer and GUI package manager to be more user friendly.
Other non Systemd distros like Devuan, are a little better, so perhaps this is a better choice for someone wanting this type of system.
40 • @37 - GUI for xbps (by Uncle Slacky on 2019-12-12 20:44:34 GMT from France)
There is already a GUI front end for xbps, it's called octoxbps: https://github.com/aarnt/octoxbps
41 • @35: (by dragonmouth on 2019-12-12 22:27:35 GMT from United States)
Why are most BSDs a "total waste of time"? You are the first in a long time to express a dislike for BSDs. Just wondering.
42 • octoxbps package manager (by nanome on 2019-12-12 23:54:52 GMT from United Kingdom)
@40 I just tried octoxbps [I installed it with "xbps-install -S octoxbps"] on a quiet computer and I was immediately disappointed by the response. Typing "bash" into the GUI search box echos 1 character every 1-2 seconds. Maybe it's because it is version 0.2.2, but still not ready.
43 • Mint (by M.Z. on 2019-12-13 00:43:34 GMT from United States)
@17
"Could be because they don't have time to fix all the bugs and regressions they introduce with their latest, greatest and glitziest copy of Ubuntu"
You know Mint has been all LTS for several years know right? They don't change bases until after a new LTS comes along. You'd come off better if you did a little more research & promoted what you like rather than trashing other things.
44 • Trident (by koolaid guzzler on 2019-12-13 02:46:20 GMT from United States)
Cmon who honestly cares? Probably less than a dozen people. It's a confusing strategy to advance a confused and insignificant set of priorities. Lumina is junk and I aint talkin about Chevrolet or Secret of Mana. With such an abundance of desktop options, it boggles the mind how the rationale even formed to initiate such a DOA project. And now Linux people are supposed to care? Please.
All this soulless marketing from the neverending churn of forks/distros/etc is so mind numbing. The amount of projects on here presenting themselves as the next hip thing is nauseating. But as comment #8 said "HUBRIS" leads arrogant coders to needlessly fragment their efficiency and hide this shame behind logos, uninteresting names and cookie cutter slogans about "OS for humans/people/everyone", etc. Inability to work with likeminded people? I can barely see a point to fork FreeBSD, but why why why fork TrueOS?? Fork Void? Why not just fork Arch? It's like going from not being able to work with FreeBSD/TrueOS people to not being able to work with Void/Arch people.
On 1-20-2020, SystemD/Linux becomes Windows 7. Such an odd time to move toward the growing Linux sinkhole, instead of farther away from it. Please just install Windows and get a different hobby-- you're doing this one wrong.
45 • Waste of time (by whoKnows on 2019-12-13 06:38:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
"Why are most BSDs a "total waste of time"? ... Just wondering."
It's probably the simple fact that an OS is basically nothing but the app-starter. It doesn't help anything having all the freedom and the most sophisticated OS on Earth, if you can't get Adobe Suite or MS Office running on it.
The same is also truth for Linux, even if, to somewhat lesser extent.
If you're not a “militant, idealistic freedom fighter” that only needs a surf-station or some hobby-tools, you've got no other choice but use the only one OS left, which can do it all.
46 • @45 (by OstroL on 2019-12-13 13:42:38 GMT from Poland)
While agreeing with you, I'd like to add that
It's probably the simple fact that an OS is basically nothing but the app-starter on given hardware.
47 • @44 (by FedUpMonkeyMan on 2019-12-13 15:05:49 GMT from Mexico)
Totally agree with Koolaid Guzzler; these forks of forks that don't bring anything new to the space is so mind numbing.
There are many interesting projects that are trying new things, really amazing things like these privacy focused distros like Qubes or Subgraph. But there are so many mundane mind numbing POS distros that only change the artwork, slap on a different wallpaper and think they are a new distro. No. Enough of these turds, please.
Void incorporating ZFS is something interesting and that's possibly good for the Linux space.
Trident forking from TrueOs which in turn was PCBSD which in turn is based on FreeBSD.....well, this exhaustive circle jerking can just fork-off.
Please review Subgraph. In this age of privacy errosion another privacy distro is needed.
48 • Subgraph (by Bloob on 2019-12-13 19:11:56 GMT from Portugal)
Seems Subgraph already dead.
49 • The Last To Know (by Trihexagonal on 2019-12-13 20:29:01 GMT from United States)
@45 "If you're not a “militant, idealistic freedom fighter” that only needs a surf-station or some hobby-tools, you've got no other choice but use the only one OS left, which can do it all"
@9 "I think it has become abundantly clear after all these years that *BSD will never make for a good desktop system, despite its many technical superiorities over Linux."
I hate being the last one to find these things out.
I currently have 4 laptops running FreeBSD and 1 running OpenBSD. I don't use Linux or Windows and was not aware I was missing out on anything. It's all so abundantly clear to me now.
I don't need Adobe Suite or MS Office. Those are Windows hobby-tools in my opinion. How I've managed with only programs from the ports tree all this time is a mystery in itself.
I do have a site and Beginners Tutorial on Building A FreeBSD Desktop From Scratch, but don't consider myself to be a "militant, idealistic freedom fighter". I'm a lot of things but idealistic freedom fighter not one of them.
But I could be mistaken. It took me 14 years using FreeBSD to find out I had no choice but stick with Debian for a "good desktop". Pay no attention to all the screenshots on my site, or those from other FreeBSD forum members.
@3 "The downside to FreeBSD is they don't support older hardware."
Well that's just great. What am I supposed to do with all these 11-12 year old laptops running BSD? I didn't even know they stopped supporting i386.
Now I really am embarrassed...
50 • @49 Trihexogonal: (by dragonmouth on 2019-12-13 22:06:19 GMT from United States)
LOL!
Thanks for the site address. I was looking for a tutorial on installing BSD.
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