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1 • Fedora - a distro without a compelling argument to use it (by Andy Prough on 2019-11-11 00:36:15 GMT from United States) |
Fedora appears to offer nearly nothing to older machines with fewer resources, as it seems to only offer x64 versions with fairly bloated requirements such as Gnome and Flatpak.
At the same time, it seems to offer almost nothing of interest to a power user with recent modern, expensive hardware.
And web pages and documentation seem to have the oddest mistakes. For example, their download page says "But Wait there's More! Check out our other workstation downloads here..." - and yet, there's absolutely nothing linked to it. I get the feeling that there are more architectures or versions to choose from, but how do you find them? Kind of similar to them not mentioning that you need Flathub to actually make any good use of Flatpak.
I guess that's just the way it is when your distro is nothing but a testing ground for a big multi-billion dollar enterprise offering. RedHat is quickly becoming the new Oracle. Got to wonder how long before Fedora goes the way of Solaris. In the meantime, I'm not sure the Fedora project leaders have a clear vision for what type of user would be compelled to use it instead of a growing number of technically advanced distros that target actual user needs.
2 • No main computer here (by Ed Ktorp on 2019-11-11 00:39:53 GMT from United States)
There is a computer connected to the TV in the living room, but it's not "the main home computer" by any stretch. Multiple people might touch that computer in a single day, but calling it the main computer wouldn't be true to the definition. All systems in this home are essentially single user configurations.
3 • WLAN (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-11-11 00:34:56 GMT from United States)
I only have user name and password. I hate accumulating electronics junk.
On W-WLAN and with GNU/Linux, username and password are just enough to access the internet from anywhere. By the way FreeBSD networking capabilities is awesome.
4 • home computers (by Tim on 2019-11-11 00:49:52 GMT from United States)
We don't have a main computer persay but several computers scattered in various places around the house. All users can use any of them, and do. They're all currently running Debian Buster except an old iMac G4 that runs Ubuntu Karmic and is our main music player. We have a VM that runs Windows 10 if we need it.
5 • Main Computer (by Zephyr on 2019-11-11 00:51:49 GMT from United States)
Have 5 computers, 2 multi-drive build boxes for office and a Rasp Pi 4, 2 laptops, 1 on the dining table, and other on the coffee table. Honestly, just need 2 but other machines just showed up as fix it and keep it!
Computing is a lot of fun, both learning Linux and dabbling with building computers of various types.
6 • home computer (by wally on 2019-11-11 03:19:08 GMT from United States)
not a straight forward answer -
two main pcs, one main user each, but may be used by others on occasion
three laptops, my own use
7 • Home Computer (by Terry on 2019-11-11 03:39:22 GMT from United States)
Me and my wife each have our own computer and we don't need to share either. We both have Mac mini's and love it. I run multi-platform operating systems to meet all my needs.
8 • Home Computer (by Gary on 2019-11-11 04:52:56 GMT from United States)
My wife has a laptop she uses exclusively. I use several computers at home including one desktop. Usually I use the desktop, but I have a laptop, an older mini, and a tablet depending where, what, and the need.
9 • Home computers (by Ravi on 2019-11-11 05:29:04 GMT from India)
I have 3 PCs all running Debian buster. All used by me and occasionally used by my cat.
1 power user(My beasty muscular cat)
10 • Home Computer (by Geoff_the_Chef on 2019-11-11 09:19:29 GMT from United States)
So many. I've one main computer that'll do anything. My principal OS is Mint because it's bulletproof, very easy to use and maintain, but there are three other OSs I could boot into. Dozens of virtual machines and networks on that one too. Every Windows OS from 3.11 to 10, including servers, Linux and BSD desktops, firewalls, servers. That not all, a NAS, two other PCs, three Laptops 17", 13", 10" to hand more in the cupboards. To top it off there's another modo in the post. Why? I guess I'm just a nerd.
11 • @ Joshua Allen Holm - installing on a eMMC (by OstroL on 2019-11-11 09:23:21 GMT from Poland)
"I installed Fedora 31 on a small 64GB eMMC drive."
Joshua, thank you for the review. I would like to know, how to install a Linux distro on an eMMC laptop/tablet, either dual boot or single boot. It'd be nice to have a how-to on it. It'd be nice, if you can write a comment on that, how you did it on your ASUS VivoBook E406MA. Thanks!
12 • F31 on eMMC (by Maarten Hendrickx on 2019-11-11 09:45:36 GMT from Belgium)
I also installed Fedora on a few machines with eMMC. Nothing special, you can just select it when you start the installer.
13 • @12 on eMMC (by OstroL on 2019-11-11 10:13:16 GMT from Poland)
Have you done that on tablets too? Can you tell how you did that?
14 • Fedora (by Pat on 2019-11-11 11:21:30 GMT from United States)
I like the many interesting "spins" and "labs" available from Fedora to look at but I prefer a Debian-based distro for regular usage (at least for now). Keep up the good work!
15 • Main Computer Poll (by Rick on 2019-11-11 12:27:26 GMT from United States)
I can't take the poll because there is no main computer in my home. My wife and I each have our own laptops. I also have a laptop to test various Linux distros. Finally I have a media laptop attached to our main TV. For these reasons I think this week's poll is somewhat useless.
16 • Computer poll (by Friar Tux on 2019-11-11 13:29:08 GMT from Canada)
While I'm exactly in the same boat as @15 (Rick), I'm didn't find the poll useless. It's interesting to see how folks actually use their machines (if they have more than one). The Wife has her own laptop running Mint/Cinnamon. I have two - one is my main work station, also running Mint/Cinnamon; the other is my testing laptop, running whatever OS I happen to be checking out. It appears by these comments that I'm not alone in this 'hobby'. Love it.
17 • Main Computer Poll (by Jeff from Unites States on 2019-11-11 14:20:00 GMT from United States)
@15 There was an option to say no main pc at home. If you don't like the question then don't post anything.
18 • one screen (by Lee on 2019-11-11 14:25:01 GMT from United States)
My 14 yo 26 in LCD TV also serves as my computer monitor. I watch TV and surf the web from my recliner. If I didn't go to the gym my legs would fall off.
19 • Slowing down? (by Ralph Smole on 2019-11-11 05:51:44 GMT from United States)
Every week I look forward to Sunday when new distros are posted in DistroWatch weekly. Seems like every week there's less and less. Is this due to fewer people creating new stuff?
20 • Main Computer (by Bill Donnelly on 2019-11-11 15:29:25 GMT from Canada)
I am running Debian Stretch on a Lenovo M700 mini-computer, which is my main computer. I run openSUSE Leap on my Lenovo T530 laptop. No other users in this household. Debian Buster has difficulty finding my intel 8260 wireless chip on my M700 whereas Stretch works, so I am staying with it, also Buster really has nothing new to offer except for automatic fstrim of my SSD.
21 • Re: 1, Fedora (by The Walrus on 2019-11-11 15:51:04 GMT from France)
Once, sometime between 2006-2008, I gave Fedora a spin and after just a few minutes of of clicking around and looking at things I was confronted with a large pop-up, telling me something like ...
You have just bla bla bla bla.
This incident will be reported!
... needless to say, I've never been back since. Unfortunately, practically all of the well established, great old Linux distros and their gazillions of spin-offs have by now gone down that same road. To me they're all poorly documented, in-transparent, bloated, patronizing corporatised junk that doesn't work in the user's best interest. And while they are still all making a lot of noise about being "open source", you'll find the word "free" much less frequently on their pages.
Thankfully, there are still some distros that seem to resist this trend. So far, Slackware hasn't been afflicted by such maldevelopments and newer projects like Alpine and Void look very promising.
22 • One user (by Dino on 2019-11-11 15:51:55 GMT from Denmark)
My main production machine with Linux Mint 19.2 Cinnamon Ed. is used almost solely by me. The 13 year young Inspiron 6400 with LXLE (soon Void Linux) is also used by me. :) Kids and wide have their own tablets, Airs or laptops.
23 • Fedora Silverblue (by silent on 2019-11-11 15:59:41 GMT from Hungary)
I think that SIlverblue must be a great tool for RHEL business.deployment, but not so interesting for home users.
Now I have the latest Ubuntu and Fedora Mate desktops and frankly there is no difference but the wallpaper. They have the very same new features or bugs (for some strange reason Thunderbird cannot be removed from the indicator applet, network-manager-applet only works with that) The fedup uprade was so incredibly slow and I had some conflicting packages. The only issue with Ubuntu was that my proprietary video driver had to be reinstalled after the upgrade to 19.10. Of course, I use open source video driver with Fedora.
As for Gnome, it is sad to see that many great GS extensions no longer work with the latest version(s), and their developers are stopping the support being tired of fixing the unpredictable compatibility issues instead of adding new features. I have read in the reviews that now GS is faster and more stable. It is true after removing all the deprecated extensions. But then it is no longer my desktop, it is that of GS think tank. So I just take *WM, learn the text config, and I can do whatever I want. Freedom.
24 • Just 1 (very old) desktop PC (by Flavio on 2019-11-11 16:23:01 GMT from Brazil)
Just 1 very old (2008) Bios-MBR desktop PC with 3 HDDs + 1 old USB2 SSD ─ and my dogs cannot reach it.
Dualbooting (multibooting) 10 Linux distros just now, although there are 12 "slots" ─ one of them used to try a 2nd Arch by "the long way".
25 • I thought it odd... (by tom joad on 2019-11-11 16:27:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
I thought it odd that that 10% of the poll admit to having either no home computer or 3 or more users per computer which is like not having a computer in a way. I wonder too if those with no computer at home use their 'smart' phone heavily instead.
As for me, I have four computers with me being the only user. I have my tower, mint/cinn. My laptop, mint/cinn. Two tor relays running mx Linux.
Lastly, I can not imagine the state of mind of folks not having any computer of some sort. Odd.
26 • Red Hat offers free developer subscriptions (by Distrowitch on 2019-11-11 16:57:09 GMT from United States)
Since RHEL 8.1 was just released I thought it might be a good idea to remind people or let folks know that you can have a registered, maintained copy at no charge with a free Red Hat Developer Subscription: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2016/03/31/no-cost-rhel-developer-subscription-now-available/
27 • How many people use my home computer? (by Niki Kovacs on 2019-11-11 17:13:08 GMT from France)
Guess you'd have to ask the good people working for the NSA.
28 • @1 - Lots more Fedora flavors to pick from (by Scott Dowdle on 2019-11-11 19:29:04 GMT from United States)
Fedora offers a handful of different desktop spins as well as Lab spins for a fairly wide variety of options from lower end hardware, arm, etc. I can't imagine a higher end then their support for IBM z Systems' s390x.
So far as Red Hat being the "new Oracle", I guess you missed the memo from 15 years or so ago... Red Hat was the "new Microsoft". If you are going to completely mis-characterize them without any evidence, I'm glad you broke the mold and went with something new... but why call them Oracle when you could just call them who they are now, IBM. :)
The truth is that Red Hat is changing IBM more than IBM is changing Red Hat. Fedora hit 15 years old not too long ago and I look forward to the 20th anniversary.
29 • Why Fedora is not on my list .... and home computers (by mikef90000 on 2019-11-11 20:03:58 GMT from United States)
Thank you Mr. Holm for reminding me why evaluating Fedora is so frustrating.
IIRC many releases ago the team was looking at including (but probably not enabling) links to RPM Fusion, still waiting ..... No easy access to Flathub and its 'whopping' selection of apps .........
BTW do any of the Fedora community spins include the above repos?
In my household there are multiple computers per person. Besides a daily driver desktop with Linux Mint, I have a backup desktop with Windoze for helping friends, an 'occasionally on' file server, a Raspberry Pi 3 with new uses discovered frequently, a Thinkpad for news browsing / travel and an old Intel Compute Stick (extremely limiting form factor, not recommended).
30 • Home Computers (by Charles Hale on 2019-11-12 00:03:29 GMT from Philippines)
Lets see, there's the bedroom computer, the theater computer in the media room, the NAS and the one I'm writing this comment on, also in the media room. It's really the main computer for me. But then there are the tablets and smart phones. For those who use them, they are the MAIN computer. The smart phones get more use via wifi and boardband then any of the 'computers'.
"Linux for all, not just the few."
31 • Re: "How many people use your home computer?" (by eco2geek on 2019-11-12 00:28:17 GMT from United States)
As the comments suggest, the poll isn't very applicable to this site's readership, because the poll's question implies that a person only has one home computer. However, the readership here isn't likely to have only one home computer. Nor is the readership here likely to run only one OS on their computers.
For example, my wife and I have separate computers and separate laptops. She may or may not be able to log onto my computer, because I have multiple OS's on it, and there's an account for her on some of them but not others.
So I didn't take the poll because none of the options fit my circumstances.
32 • Re: Old Fedora error message (by eco2geek on 2019-11-12 00:49:18 GMT from United States)
@21 -- Off the top of my head, Linux will give you that error message when you try to "su" to a particular user, but that user isn't in the "sudoers" file.
Point being, the operating system was doing what it was supposed to, by implementing its security protocols. It wasn't proof that Linux is (as you wrote) "poorly documented, in-transparent, bloated, patronizing corporatised junk". In fact, it was trying to, as you put it, "work in the user's best interest."
Try googling for more information about that error message. There's tons of documentation available.
33 • Re: you'll find the word "free" much less frequently on their pages (by Charles Hale on 2019-11-12 02:09:19 GMT from Philippines)
@21 -- the word "free" for linux open source distros is somewhat of a miss understood term to many. For a distro to be considered TRULY "free" it must contain ONLY OPEN SOURCE CODE. If a distro contains even one proprietary driver then it should not describe itself as "free". Since many distro DO contain a few proprietary drivers, mainly wifi and/or video drivers, they, rightfully, do not advertise themselves as "free". They're still free to download and free to use, they are just NOT "free" in the open source sense of "free". Got it!!
Linux for all, not just the few!!
34 • Free (by Friar Tux on 2019-11-12 13:35:46 GMT from Canada)
@33 (Charles) The word 'free' means different things to different people. To me, if I can use it, do with it as I wish, share it with whom I wish, and all that at no cost (financially) to me, then it is free in the truest sense of the word. The 'open source' term is there to simply describe the fact that the code, within, is open to all to use. Linux is FREE, whether it uses proprietary drivers/codex or not. Having said all that, I do believe that we should encourage/help Linux developers by making financial donations. We tip waiters/waitresses if they do an exceptional job, don't we?
35 • Fedora's Unique Theme (by Larr on 2019-11-12 14:48:00 GMT from United States)
I miss the uniqueness of Fedora’s gnome 2. Their blue along with the max and min icons were truly beautiful. As I recall, the login sound was also different from other distribution. Please bring these back!
36 • Home computers (by Gordo on 2019-11-12 15:49:25 GMT from Canada)
In our home there are 2 desktop machines and an older Asus Laptop that we take travelling.
One computer runs Windows 10 and the other is a dedicated Linux box running the latest Mint at the moment, although I tend to switch up Distro's when something shiny and new strikes my fancy. (I do tend to return to Mint on a regular basis however)
We consider our home computers to be very welcoming in that they are totally accessible to anyone who visits, whether it's grandchildren, friends or other family. Of course I have backups of anything that's truly important and Quicken is password protected.
This idea of having the computers open and accessible have made for some interesting observations. For one, my wife has become very adept at moving from Windows to Linux and actually uses the two operating systems with equal skill and ease.
My grandchildren (6 and 8 years old) are equally comfortable playing "their" games on either machine and have favorites on both systems. They never have to ask me to get things running either... they handle it all themselves. (Proud grandfather moment)
I can't forsee a time when there won't be desktop computers in our home!!!
37 • Home computers (by Davide on 2019-11-12 16:57:20 GMT from Italy)
Almost no more pc in my house, only two notebook.
But to every tv is connected an android tv box.
38 • Re: you'll find the word "free" much less frequently on their pages (by Charles Hale on 2019-11-12 23:10:12 GMT from Philippines)
@34 (Friar Tux) my ranting is in reference to @21 statement "you'll find the word "free" much less frequently on their pages". According to a gnu.org document sponsored by the Free Software Foundation:
A program is free software if the program's users have the four essential freedoms:
1.The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose.
2.The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
3.The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others.
4.The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others. By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
Therefore, because a distro contains some proprietary code it does not represent itself as "free" in it's documentation or web page.
Some,like gNewSense, Dragora, BLAG Linux,Musix GNU/Linux and Trisquel, contain NO non-free software and therefore advertise themselves as 'fully free software" or "Libre" software.
We don't hear about these distros very often because without some non-free software drivers, like Broadcom WIFI drivers, they won't work with a lot of hardware, say netbooks and laptops.
I totally agree with supporting those who spend their time to provide us, the masses, with premium distros and apps.
39 • home computers (by GreginNC on 2019-11-13 07:06:51 GMT from United States)
Seven total, two in my bedroom and one in basement that only I use, one gaming computer in each of my sons rooms that only they use, one in my wifes bedroom that only she uses, and one in living room connected to the TV.
40 • Fedora User (by Tourniquette on 2019-11-13 23:49:19 GMT from United States)
I've been a happy Fedora user since Fedora 20, it usually just needs a little setting up. I used to distrohop a lot, used openSUSE, Mint, Sabayon, and Arch just to name a few of my old primaries. I prefer Fedora because it was the first distro I used that had Delta-RPMs to make updates and installs soooo much faster. I also really liked Yum (now dnf), and like that it's one of the more bleeding-edge distros out there. I've toyed around with the idea of switching to an Arch based system again, but for right now I'm happy with 31.
41 • @40 Fedora: Delta-RPMs for small and fast updates and installs (by curious on 2019-11-14 13:33:17 GMT from Germany)
Now, they are doing exactly the opposite by leveraging Flatpaks.
42 • openMandriva Lx (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-11-14 04:22:14 GMT from United States)
Just tried OpenMandriva with KDE Plasma packed with systemd, wayland, OMA-welcome, Calligra, Krita, LibreOffice, and Firefox which is not too bad. Chrome can be installed very easy.
43 • Fedora 31 - Performance Woes (by Jason the Destroyer on 2019-11-14 18:55:45 GMT from Mexico)
I just installed Fedora 31 Workstation as I read that it does not suffer from the security flaw that Ubuntu has. I was hoping that what I was getting was hopefully slicker than Ubuntu, or at least equal. Alas, dreams have been crushed today. As I was copying back files from an external HDD, i experienced frequent system freezes. WTF! This never happened in Ubuntu 18.04. I checked the scheduler and it was using BFQ. Perhaps that is why but there is no option for CFQ in Fedora. I am so gutted, honestly, especially after having to download about 1GB of "updates" (why the f&ck can't they make point releases with upgrades like Ubuntu). For me this abysmal performance lag is unacceptable. I have also found no solution online. I will now have to dump this turd, and try Manjaro. If anyone from Fedora is reading this, please, get your shit together.
44 • Computers (by Zarg on 2019-11-15 12:09:41 GMT from United States)
Main is an Acer 64x2 with MX 19. Backup is a 32 bit cell inspiring 4700 which has sparky or mx laptop is an Acer 720p chrome book converted to gal!jumps which is the main look stuff up computer. My wife does not know or care about the operating system as long as everything works.
45 • Multiple computers (by Lucky Linux on 2019-11-15 13:30:38 GMT from United States)
Have one in the living room for the TV , and two desktops that my wife and I use for various
46 • @42 security flaw (by Jason the Destroyer on 2019-11-15 18:01:39 GMT from Mexico)
I was reading an article that i regrettably did not bookmark, regarding the differences between Ubuntu and Fedora. In the article there was a section about a long standing security vurnerability in Ubuntu, for the login as it was possible to umask permisisons on $USER $HOME directories in Ubuntu(and Debian), but that this had been patched in Fedora making it more secure.
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|• Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell|
|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
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