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1 • *buntu review (by DaveW on 2019-10-21 01:01:46 GMT from United States)
Jesse, whichever Ubuntu flavor you review, please test the ZFS option.
2 • Never paid for any support...ever. (by tom joad on 2019-10-21 02:05:04 GMT from Austria)
I have never paid for tech support for any software...never, ever. I have used free tech support a few times over the decades but never paid for any.
Why?
Because the fun, and there is a lot of that, is the 'breaking and fixing it" mind set. Just get the software or hardware for that matter and just do it. Run it hard, break it, and then figure out how to put it all back together again.
I love that and I suspect many, many others are just like that too.
3 • @2 (by Erik on 2019-10-21 02:09:12 GMT from Canada)
Yes, agree completely.
4 • not purchasing support (by Bobbie Sellers on 2019-10-21 02:51:20 GMT from United States)
Well I I really do not purchase support but on the other hand I spend a significant part of my time doing downloads for my Linux Users Group. I show up at every meeting unless I am too sick to walk and in my early days before I was playing host to the meeting at a coffee shop a half hour bus ride from my home I got lots of help with things like WiFi on my Great Quality(it was not) laptop.
Now I donate to the PCLinuxOS64 development team so that they can hopefully afford to keep the updates coming. I used to pay for a fully functional Mandriva in the first decade of the 21st century but it was cheap next to the cost of my Amiga with accelerator cards and multiple OS upgrades from 1.2,1.3, 2.1. 3.1 and finally 3.9, I spend a small amount more on my donations and the results are wholly satisfactory. The last version of Mandriva would not run on my hardware and I picked PCLinux from among the forks.. I tried to donate to the Mageia effort as well but it took too much effort to arrange the payments to a overseas company,
Thanks for the great review of CentOS and explantion of the CentOS Stream as well as your other news.
bliss
5 • Purchasing Support (by Steve Kahle on 2019-10-21 03:40:25 GMT from United States)
I have never purchased support, and never will, because I am the guy who provides support (professionally).
6 • Ubuntu 19.10 Experimental ZFS on root. (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-21 04:33:02 GMT from Canada)
With Ubuntu's experimental ZFS on root in 19.10, Ubuntu seems like moving more towards closed source. Anyway iit's system-d is as a extra-bonus.
7 • RE:6 Ubuntu 19.10 Experimental ZFS on root. (by Henry on 2019-10-21 04:55:03 GMT from Belgium)
Your reasoning is not logical. ZFS is open source. You can even find it on github. And so is systemd. I don't use systemd nor ZFS, but it's all open source.
8 • Ubuntu 19.10 Experimental ZFS on root (by Sanjay on 2019-10-21 06:33:29 GMT from India)
ZFS use CDDL (COMMON DEVELOPMENT AND DISTRIBUTION LICENSE ) , more information cab be found here https://opensource.org/licenses/CDDL-1.0 , read 1.8. : its not truly open source.
9 • ? (by GT on 2019-10-21 06:53:34 GMT from United States)
@8, what do you mean "not truly open source"? Section 3.1 of the license you linked above makes clear any software released with that license is open source.
10 • Purchasing Support (by Gary on 2019-10-21 07:28:43 GMT from United States)
Have never paid for support. Started with Windows 3.1. Always figured the best way to learn is a DIY approach!
11 • Paid Support (by Eric Yeoh on 2019-10-21 08:39:00 GMT from Asia/Pacific Region)
I pay for support - not necessarily that I need it - but to tick some boxes on legal issues. The industry I am in requires patched SLES/RHEL servers in Production and the only way is thus to pay for subscription. Critical workloads have some legal requirements - paying for subscription not only ensures the project managers and lawyers are happy but access to KBs and updates. Personally I pay for SLED 15 because I feel it is only right to pay for a good desktop Linux distribution that serves my computing needs. Canonical only wants to take my money if I buy in bulk.
12 • Support (by Jim on 2019-10-21 09:16:21 GMT from United States)
With all the people more knowledgeable than myself willing to offer support on forums, I have not had a need to purchase support. I am thinking purchased support maybe seen more often from people running servers than from people running desktops at home.
13 • Questions and Answers section (by Longtime Reader on 2019-10-21 11:39:26 GMT from United States)
Thank you for the Questions and Answers section! I found this week's tip on how to merge two folders/directories particularly useful.
14 • OpenZFS (by Jonathan Vasquez on 2019-10-21 11:45:33 GMT from United States)
@8, the people that responded to you are correct (@7, @9), ZFS (Particularly OpenZFS which is what Linux, FreeBSD, OS X, and even Windows) people are working on. I worked on technologies that integrated OpenZFS into Gentoo back when I was a Gentoo Developer and was working alongside other Gentoo and OownZFS developers. The CDDL is a file level copy left license which is based on the Mozilla Public License 1.1. it's not a GPL type license and that's ok.
15 • Questions and Answers section mergeing directories (by Jim_nc on 2019-10-21 11:48:23 GMT from United States)
@13 dittos. Thank you DW, I found it timely and useful.
16 • Financial Support (by MikeW on 2019-10-21 14:00:29 GMT from United States)
Given that this web site often attracts folks who are comfortable navigating the inner workings of their Linux OS, the poll results are not surprising. A suggestion for a future poll would be: "Do you contribute financially to support your favorite Linux distro?"
17 • Different interpretation of "develop on RHEL" (by CS on 2019-10-21 16:59:24 GMT from United States)
I conjecture they're tired of dealing with all the CentOS -> RHEL migration questions and want more people to root these issues out themselves earlier, before they become showstoppers that Red Hat has to get dragged in to.
So your source code lives in the cloud somewhere, your CI runs on RHEL (instead of CentOS), your staging and pre-prod run on RHEL (instead of CentOS), your editor runs on your Macbook. Of the 100 or so developers I work with regularly that is /de rigueur/.
Developing on Linux desktop? Life is too short for that, IMO.
18 • Ubuntu Beta (by Computer re-user on 2019-10-21 17:22:21 GMT from United States)
Ubuntu Beta Live CD was very slow/out of memory in my 2 gig machine. Hopefully that's been fixed.
19 • Command Line (by Gary on 2019-10-21 18:59:00 GMT from United States)
Not all of Linux users are command-line proficient. Everything I have learned about computers and OS's Iis self-taught. Started using Linux somewhere between Windows XP and Windows 7. While trying to keep earlier versions of Windows working on several home computers was tough, it taught me how to research a problem and fix it. The Linux Community is great when it comes to finding out how to fix a problem. I also like the fact that I've run into far less problems than I did with Windows no matter what distro I was using. For all those command-line shy Linux users out there, ASK and thou shall receive help and even what to run in the command line to fix the problem!!!
20 • Missing repositories in CentOS, GNOME Software (by mikef90000 on 2019-10-21 19:49:22 GMT from United States)
Thanks for reminding me why I don't feel inclined to use CentOS or Fedora except when required. I read that EPEL was going to be added (but not enabled) but I guess it never happened.
I often install a DE or WM on servers but leave out the display (login) manager; I start the DE manually only when needed.
I ran into similar frustrations with GNOME Software; searching for a common package would come up empty but I could find and install it from the command line. Perhaps this is some 'curation' by the distro maintainers. Go synaptic and Debian!
21 • @20 • Missing repositories (by Marcos Pereira de Sousa on 2019-10-21 20:29:00 GMT from Brazil)
@20: "...empty but I could find and install it from the command line...Go synaptic and Debian!"
That's my much cherished one learning of years back!
22 • Astronomy & Budgie (by Dale on 2019-10-21 22:09:06 GMT from United States)
I have only used two distros so far, Astronomy and Budgie, and I don't like either one. They don't keep the apps that are installed, refuse to download others and reinstall the deleted apps that came with it.When I restart the machine, all the apps I previously installed are gone. Keeps dropping my internet connection. These two still need a lot of work. But there are a lot of other distros I can try, I'm sure eventually, I'll find one I like.
23 • Purchase support - Slackware (by John on 2019-10-21 22:35:22 GMT from Canada)
I said yes, but by "purchase support" I really mean I have a monthly donation to Slackware Linux. In reality, since Slackware provides timely patches for security issues, I look at the donation as buying support.
For work, we have a choice of using RHEL 7.7, Windows 10 or Apple. I have been using RHEL for quite a while and my company pruchases support for us.
24 • Device grabbing (gropping) (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-21 23:05:59 GMT from Canada)
Lately all new release of kernels (and distros) are exclusively expressing the great affinity for USBs AND SSDs. Until COW returns successful, devices are not available user(s), By the time devices are available to user(s), the user(s) already fallen in deep-sleep.
I do not mind if "Dirty COW" copies whole data available on device(s) by keeping device(s) available to other user(s) or resources.
Anyone knows how to issue release() system call(s) to system or whatever?
25 • Puchase Support @ Home ??! (by Edwin K. Torp on 2019-10-21 23:36:44 GMT from United States)
This is a Statistical Zero. Sure, there could be a handful of people out there doing it, but in reality, that 1% on the poll can't even be representative of the audience here. Donations to a distribution should not be considered a paid support contract.
26 • I wanna pay (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-21 23:50:33 GMT from Canada)
I really wanna pay some change in wallet to device(s) grabbers, but, unfortunately git removes all authors headers.
What do you suggest? Should I?
27 • @22 (by GuntherT on 2019-10-22 06:08:37 GMT from United States)
It sounds like you are using a live copy of the distro rather than installing it.
28 • @22 (by Hoos on 2019-10-22 07:28:42 GMT from Singapore)
There is no distro called Budgie.
Budgie a desktop environment, ie the graphical interface that gets applied to your desktop, window borders, and applications.
It is used in Solus (it's native to Solus having been created by the Solus developers). There are also Ubuntu and Manjaro variants/community respins that use Budgie as their DE.
Which one are you referring to?
29 • Dave.. HEY, DAVE (by Otis on 2019-10-22 12:39:14 GMT from United States)
@22 You're apparently running a live CD/DVD and downloading apps etc once set up. You must click the "install" link on the desktop or in the menu to actually have the distro on your hard drive.
Good luck.
30 • Do you purchase support for your distribution? (by RobertS on 2019-10-22 13:33:55 GMT from United States)
Would have been helpful to know the breakdown of the "I do not purchase support at home or at work" group. In other words, how many _worrk_ with linux and do not purchase support at work?
I work with Linux and do not purchase support. I would like to know how common or rare this is.
thanks for Distrowatch.
31 • Command line... (by Friar Tux on 2019-10-22 14:29:27 GMT from Canada)
I heartily agree with @19 (Gary). While I am 'somewhat' proficient using the command line, I hate it. This is the 21st century. Surely we could/should, by now, be able to do stuff without it. One of the BIGGEST beefs I have with command line is that there is a LOT of typing involved, and as a result, the tiniest spelling error, or wrong symbol entry, nullifies everything you've typed or 'commanded'. Or worse, totally screws up the system. However, having said that, as Gary pointed out, most instructions in Linux on doing something in the terminal are/have been quite easy and straight-forward, barring any spelling errors. (Comical side note... When I first got into Linux, one of the naive things I did was to delete the terminal in one of my first distros as 'I didn't really want it cluttering up my hard drive'. Needless to say, that was a mistake.)
32 • @31 • Command line...(by Friar Tux) (by Marcos Pereira de Sousa on 2019-10-22 15:14:23 GMT from Brazil)
Please don't say hate. That word is reserved for commercial lock-in.
A lot of typing gives you the time to detect errors... The command is entirely under your eyes in front of you, not behind a enerving semi-window popup in the middle of various clicks...
The 'click' sure is a instantaneous disaster or two, that is!
Good Luck
33 • Trying Ubuntu 19.10 ... (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-22 18:38:12 GMT from Canada)
Trying Ubuntu 19.10 with ZFS on root causes accidental data disasters. It seems like ZFS is not matured.
34 • @32 (by xt-at on 2019-10-22 18:52:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
ZFS is very mature, just not on Linux... Yet.
35 • GUI vs command line (by mikef90000 on 2019-10-22 22:59:34 GMT from United States)
@31 and @19, GUIs are great but there are some things that are difficult or near impossible to do in one.
For instance, every once in a while I run into a package dependency issue when running Synaptic - not at all common but it happens. The *only* tool that gives me multiple options is the aptitude command.
I've also run into problems in Windows that require the command prompt to resolve. That was a long time ago so no example.
36 • ZFS data recovery (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-23 06:28:08 GMT from Canada)
I have raw-disk.img of corrupted data drive, 1) How to mount raw-disk.img? 2) Will Free(ANY)BSD + gddrescue will recover data from ZFS?
37 • Ubuntu 19.10 "very" intersting so far. (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-23 08:18:04 GMT from Canada)
As I remember correctly (during installation) of Ubuntu 19.10,
EXPERIMENTAL SUPPORT: You have to erase entire disk and use ZFS.
Ubuntu 19.10 installation does NOT allow user to select specific partitions manually with ZFS.
Anyway zdb, dd, and gddrescue + FreeBSD made it rolled-back.
38 • New utility Zzz... (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-24 07:53:32 GMT from Canada)
Trying Ubuntu 19.10 risen-up new utility called Zzz.
39 • GUI vs command line again (by whoKnows on 2019-10-24 08:45:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
@19, @31 & @35
There is and never was a GUI-only OS and it'll probably never be one.
"I've also run into problems in Windows that require the command prompt to resolve. That was a long time ago so no example."
If under a "long time ago" you think of a need to check or fix your Windows 10 xxxx every couple of months, then yes, "a long time ago", otherways more "all of the time" presently.
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
Once fixed, repeat
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth
Just for the case.
40 • @39 (by OstroL on 2019-10-24 09:41:07 GMT from Poland)
>> If under a "long time ago" you think of a need to check or fix your Windows 10 xxxx every couple of months, then yes, "a long time ago", otherways more "all of the time" presently.
This is not true! This comment is sort of fanboism. There's no need to bash another OS on this site. There are enough Windows sites for that, if that's what you want.
>> There is and never was a GUI-only OS and it'll probably never be one.
This is true for today, but never say no.
41 • Oligarchies influences on OpenSource. (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-24 10:05:43 GMT from Canada)
GNOME files defense against patent troll -------------------------------------------------------
A month ago, GNOME was hit by a patent troll for developing the Shotwell image management application. It’s the first time a free software project has been targeted in this way, but we worry it won’t be the last. Rothschild Patent Imaging, LLC offered to let us settle for a high five figure amount, for which they would drop the case and give us a licence to carry on developing Shotwell. This would have been simple to do so; it would have caused less work, cost less money, and provided the Foundation a lot less stress. But it also would be wrong. Agreeing to this would leave this patent live, and allow this to be used as a weapon against countless others. We will stand firm against this baseless attack, not just for GNOME and Shotwell, but for all free and open source software projects.
For these reasons, GNOME Foundation Executive Director Neil McGovern instructed our legal counsel at Shearman & Sterling to file three papers with the court in California.
First: a motion to dismiss the case outright. We don’t believe that this is a valid patent, or that software can or should be able to be patented in this way. We want to make sure that this patent isn’t used against anyone else, ever.
Second: our answer to the claim. We don’t believe that there is a case GNOME needs to answer to. We want to show that the use of Shotwell, and free software in general, isn’t affected by this patent.
Third: our counterclaim. We want to make sure that this isn’t just dropped when Rothschild realizes we’re going to fight this.
We want to send a message to all software patent trolls out there — we will fight your suit, we will win, and we will have your patent invalidated. To do this, we need your help. Please help support the GNOME Foundation in sending a message that patent trolls should never target free software by making a donation to the GNOME Patent Troll Defense Fund. If you can’t, please help spread the word with your friends on social media.
PS: AT LEAST SPREAD THE WORD.
Any olicharchie(s) influence(s) of any sort has absolutely NO INTEREST in Open Source. Why?
42 • GNOME Foundation must claim DAMAGES (reputation). (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-24 10:09:05 GMT from Canada)
GNOME Foundation must claim DAMAGES (reputation).
43 • @40: (by dragonmouth on 2019-10-24 13:33:42 GMT from United States)
Facts are facts, whether good or bad. Naming bad features of an O/S is not bashing, it is just stating facts. Besides, in the past you've had no problems bashing various versions of BSD and Linux.
44 • @43 (by OstroL on 2019-10-24 13:59:00 GMT from Poland)
>> Facts are facts, whether good or bad. Naming bad features of an O/S is not bashing, it is just stating facts.
Talking about Windows here is sheer nonsense. This is not a Windows related web site. On the matter; Windows 10 doesn't fail, not like in the past with Win 7. There are certain stuff you can do with Windows 10 that you cannot do with Linux, for example, increasing the efi boot partition.
>> Besides, in the past you've had no problems bashing various versions of BSD and Linux.
You must've mistaken me with someone else. I haven't used BSD ever. I have lot of Linuxes all kinds, from Arch to Ubuntu, so nothing to bash.
45 • Linux to Plan9 of Bell Labs Commands Translation. (by Luxie Tuxie on 2019-10-25 07:27:29 GMT from Canada)
Linux to Plan9 of Bell Labs
It seems like SDD and USB devices are firmly grabbed by 9p dup() /fd/ctl over a large distributed network UWLAN.
How to translate ^C of Linux to BP9, where as [DEL] does not work as desired.
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• Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
• Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
• Issue 1051 (2024-01-01): Favourite distros of 2023, reloading shell settings, Asahi Linux releases Fedora remix, Gentoo offers binary packages, openSUSE provides full disk encryption |
• Issue 1050 (2023-12-18): rlxos 2023.11, renaming files and opening terminal windows in specific directories, TrueNAS publishes ZFS fixes, Debian publishes delayed install media, Haiku polishes desktop experience |
• Issue 1049 (2023-12-11): Lernstick 12, alternatives to WINE, openSUSE updates its branding, Mint unveils new features, Lubuntu team plans for 24.04 |
• Issue 1048 (2023-12-04): openSUSE MicroOS, the transition from X11 to Wayland, Red Hat phasing out X11 packages, UBports making mobile development easier |
• Issue 1047 (2023-11-27): GhostBSD 23.10.1, Why Linux uses swap when memory is free, Ubuntu Budgie may benefit from Wayland work in Xfce, early issues with FreeBSD 14.0 |
• Issue 1046 (2023-11-20): Slackel 7.7 "Openbox", restricting CPU usage, Haiku improves font handling and software centre performance, Canonical launches MicroCloud |
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Metamorphose Linux
Metamorphose Linux was a Brazilian Debian-based distribution whose biggest goal was being simple and complete with a pleasant graphical interface for beginners or advanced users. The distribution ships with KDE Plasma as the default desktop environment and WINE was present to help users run Windows applications. UEFI support was available.
Status: Discontinued
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