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1 • Linux Mint MATE (by Steve Kahle on 2019-09-23 01:01:54 GMT from United States) |
After installing, testing and using dozens of Linux distros over the past 15 years or so, my favorite distro, the one that I use regularly on my main Linux computers, and the one I recommend and install on computers for others is, guess what?, Linux Mint MATE!
2 • Sisyphus — really? (by Rufovillosum on 2019-09-23 01:09:20 GMT from United States)
Why would anyone name a program after the Greek myth of a never-ending uphill struggle? Possibly truth in advertising, as this was precisely Jesse’s experience.
3 • Linux distro for newbies (by Jason Hsu on 2019-09-23 01:31:14 GMT from United States)
While one cannot go wrong with Linux Mint, another great option is MX Linux, which is now #1 on DistroWatch. Like Linux Mint, MX Linux is very user-friendly and has a substantial community, which means that help is easy to find.
MX Linux has the advantage of being lighter, faster, and lower maintenance than Linux Mint. Because of the speed advantage, MX Linux extends the useful life of your PC. The reason for this is what's under the hood. MX Linux is based on Debian Stable, while Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS. Debian Stable has a much lower overhead, and the updates required are much more modest.
4 • Distro recommended to use for newbies (by Terry on 2019-09-23 01:36:07 GMT from United States)
I too recommend Linux Mint. I grew up with Linux Mint and watched this distro grow thru the years. They have never failed to make better and better distros. As a beginner you get use the linux OS over the years and then you can venture off to other Linux OS's according to your specific needs.
5 • Linux distro for newbies (by Terry on 2019-09-23 01:40:17 GMT from United States)
You are right. As of lately, MX Linux is awesome and it is my current Linux system. Very fast and has pretty much everything you need!
6 • Yikes, Jesse, regarding disk space requirement with Redcore (by RJA on 2019-09-23 02:41:52 GMT from United States)
With the installer requiring a Windows-NT6x-like 20 GB, it can be surprising that it only used a more-XP-x64-Edition-like 260 MB of RAM. After seeing the disk space requirement, I was imagining it possibly requiring 700 MB+ of RAM just being at the desktop. I was thinking at that point, they would also likely let the RAM usage balloon out. Kudos for the low RAM requirement to Redcore.
7 • @5, Kudos to MX (by RJA on 2019-09-23 02:52:20 GMT from United States)
MX is looking very good, similar to how I was thinking about Q4 weeks ago. Seems like Debian and Devuan-based distros are the most predictable.
8 • @7 predictable (by Dr. E.S. Ktorp on 2019-09-23 03:29:05 GMT from United States)
Speaking of Debian/Devuan and predictability, who else predicted Debian would quickly back down on their claim of supporting sysvinit. I used to love Debian, but today, it is a disgrace. Either this new project leader is in over his head, or he is the most disingenuous hatchetman in the bunch, but either way, I'm tired of reading his meandering thoughts about everybody's emotions. Maybe they voted him in because he talks like softspoken corporate pushover. What made this guy an expert on everybody's emotions anyway and why are claims of fraid emotions being utilized in this manner in the 1st place; to continue the push for systemd?
First they performed the universal systemd ramrod, then they CoC'd up every major distribution, then Debian began their diversity hires at the very highest echelon. I do not trust Hartman. He complains about people acting unprofessionally and yet his behavior in the position of LEADER reeks of unprofessionalism. So long as sysvinit is still on life support somewhere downstream, Debian will continue to elect Judas Goats to lead the project in a downward spiral toward merging with Fedora or whatever grim future awaits the Linux landscape.
I'm tired of Debian jerking people around. I hate systemd and I wish they would just get it over with. Everyone knows they're gonna do it. I'm tired of reading lies from slick con men pushing this agenda. Pull the plug, you monsters.
9 • Opinion on your topic (by Chris on 2019-09-23 03:45:17 GMT from New Zealand)
In your topic "Wondering Why asks" "They could give Windows away for free and still be highly profitable "
No they cannot give Windows away for free because they insist on a form of EULA ( End User Licence agreement ) which legally binds each named user to their conditions. The basis for enforcing a EULA is payment to them. Software with restrictive EULA's in this case dwell in some form of obtuse submission, and they absolutely need the identity of the user to enforce their licence conditions. As absurd as that sounds history shows a lot of humanity has taken that path.
10 • DNS over HTTPS (by x on 2019-09-23 04:57:23 GMT from United States)
I like the basic concept, however, the implementation may proove to be worse than what currently exists. I agree with OpenBSD's decision. Best stated at https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20190911113856.
This is something that should not become a standard.
11 • Richard Stallman (by Douglas Hinds on 2019-09-23 06:13:33 GMT from Mexico)
Without Richard there would be no Linux (and GNU/Linux is a more accurate term).
How divisive is that?
12 • Richard Stallman (by Douglas Hinds on 2019-09-23 06:14:57 GMT from Mexico)
13 • DoH poll missing option (by Arve on 2019-09-23 07:34:01 GMT from Norway)
The poll is missing an option:
* I like the idea of DoH, but the browser should not be deciding what to use, the OS should.
14 • The Matter of RMS (by Eric Yeoh on 2019-09-23 07:34:31 GMT from Malaysia)
I have sat through a couple of Stallman's talks and I can say this - he is a very smart, eloquent and knowledgeable in his field. He is also a very opinionated person who - I suspect gain a lot of amusement and joy from making others feel uneasy and upset - especially with hid demands and quirks - heck I have dealt with Royals who made far fewer demands. No doubt that he is a genius and without him there would be no FOSS and the Linux-based OS I use and make a living off supporting and working with - but that doesn't excuse him from the many idiosyncrasies and mean-spirited comments he has made. He knows those comments/acts can be or were/are hurtful - he just couldn't be bothered because HE knows he could get a way it. Not a matter being PC - and being smart and honest doesn't excuse one from being polite and decent.
15 • DNS over HTTPS (by Az on 2019-09-23 07:49:20 GMT from France)
Couldn't have said it better :)
16 • DNS (by Simon Plaistowe on 2019-09-23 08:29:05 GMT from New Zealand)
My ISP supports DNSSEC, as does my firewall (IPFire). For my purposes I reckon that's sufficient for now.
17 • Debian Issues (by Herol on 2019-09-23 10:07:23 GMT from Netherlands)
When lunatics lead,
System D has done more to damage the linux ecosystem than any other change in the last years. I want an init system to start my OS, not a wool, milk giving, egg laying flying universal giant pig demanding that everything else follows the meandering ideas of person of apt name.
In a class we were slimming down a debian system with the Sys V Init, remove Bluetooth because it is not needed, no problem. Just worked.
Do the same with system D, it would have removed the entire desktop system due to the lunatic dependency chain.
Explain that to 33 Intelligent schoolkids, the words they used for the perpetrators of this idiocy would get me banned.
We have now moved to systems which work in a sane and understandable manner.
Those systems also use ALSA because another genius solution from the great creator called pulse audio degrades sound quality. Even I can hear that.
18 • EULA (by Jesse on 2019-09-23 11:22:26 GMT from Canada)
@9: "No they cannot give Windows away for free because they insist on a form of EULA ( End User Licence agreement ) which legally binds each named user to their conditions. The basis for enforcing a EULA is payment to them."
This is not true. First, Windows usually is not purchased directly. It's licensed out to OEMs. The user is still bound by the license, even if they don't purchase it directly and get Windows bundled on their computer.
Second, thousands of applications have EULAs that are free to download and use. Ever installed iTunes? It has seemingly endless pages of an EULA yet the program is free to download and install. Apple will still enforce its terms.
Third, lots of Linux distributions have EULAs and are available free of charge. Do you think Red Hat's free Developer Edition's license is any less enforceable just because the company gives it away for free? A EULA has nothing to do with the cost of the product, only that you read the license and then used the software.
19 • DNS over HTTPS (by AntEAter on 2019-09-23 11:36:47 GMT from United States)
The real issue with the actions of Mozilla and Google regarding DoH isn't whether I prefer my text encyrpted or not. I'm 100% for encrypting all traffic over the internet whenever possible. However, the problem with this move is that it is more than just a little bit presumptuous on several fronts. First off, many organizations have a local DNS which provides name resolution for non-public network services. Many have chosen to filter DNS with products like Pi-hole for the home user or other management tools at the business level. These are often managed using the DHCP settings on the local network or with other system policies. Now we're going to have Chrome and Firefox bypassing these settings because someone decided that they knew better than the people who own and manage these systems. In addition, defaulting to one commercial provider has its own set of ethical questions. Personally, I see very little advantage to this from a privacy perspective since all the addresses that will be queried via DNS can also be seen openly in the network traffic that will be requested as a result. Maybe I'm missing something in their implementation, but it appears to be very short sighted.
20 • #17 Debian issues (by TuxRaider on 2019-09-23 14:29:54 GMT from United States)
I agree 110% Linux was a much better OS (all distros) before systemD became such a quagmire. i am sticking with non systemd distros, theres a few around https://nosystemd.org/
21 • On rms (by Miranda Hoffe on 2019-09-23 14:42:35 GMT from Romania)
His ideas, code, and laser-focus on user rights are all great reasons to hail the man’s work (and I always have), but his gross personal behavior/habits/utterances are a detriment to the cause, so I say good riddance and let’s find a replacement who will bring his best contributions into the inclusive 21st century. Whoever gets the job, I know she will know how to lead the FSF righteously.
22 • Linux distro for newbies (by ACDBill on 2019-09-23 15:03:36 GMT from United States)
In the past I would have agreed with you in recommending Linux Mint and Mate in particular. However, in the last couple of years, I would point newbs to Elementary OS. EOS is stable and restrictive enough that the user would have to work really, really hard to break it. Yes, eventually, the user will get tired of being restricted and will either learn how to modify EOS or move on to another distro. But until then, the user has a desktop they can use that works well and limits what they can do to break it until they learn their way around Linux Land.
23 • RE: #21 On rms (by TuxRaider on 2019-09-23 15:04:10 GMT from United States)
I vote for this guy to be the King of the GNU, BDFL for life, he would make a good replacement
Eben Moglen - Freedom of Thought Requires Free Media
Eben Moglen: Why Freedom of Thought Requires Attention
24 • Debian - moving forward? (by curious on 2019-09-23 15:31:21 GMT from Germany)
I found these "questions" in Hartman's post enlightening:
"So perhaps sysvinit and init scripts have had their chance and it is
time to move on. We could move away from init scripts as the default
representation. We could stop caring about sysvinit (which isn't quite
the same thing but is related). That would leave non-linux ports in an
unfortunate position. But right now there are no non-linux ports in the
main archive. So perhaps we don't even care about that."
It seems that "We don't care about XYZ." might become Debian's new slogan ...
25 • Distros for Newbies/Beginners (by dragonmouth on 2019-09-23 15:47:58 GMT from United States)
I would recommend PCLinuxOS.
26 • Newbie distros, etc. (by Friar Tux on 2019-09-23 17:23:17 GMT from Canada)
I have tested all the suggested 'newbie distros' that have been mentioned so far and the ONLY one that has worked consistently out-of-box - the only one - is Linux Mint (Cinnamon and Mate). All the rest either could not find the wifi or required some major fiddling after installation. My newbie vote is Linux Mint.
Re Stallman (and for that matter Torvalds), it appears Linux attracts anti-social 'introverts'. Especially those that are rude and don't give an 'ats rass' about others. Just go to a Linux forum with a question. While everyone is entitled to their opinions, being polite is still quite socially acceptable. Yes, I hold Stallman, and Torvalds, to be geniuses, but I would not care to work with/for them. And we wonder why people aren't attracted to Linux. (Henry Ford, and Tesla, were also anti-social, by the way. Tesla's best friend was Mark Twain, who was, himself, quite anti-social, though at least he was rather polite about it.)
27 • DNS over HTTPS (by Hendrik on 2019-09-23 18:27:41 GMT from Germany)
There is also DNS over TLS for encrypted DNS. I'm using an implementation named stubby, where I can choose from a list of upstream servers and configure the ones i want, to be used. Among them are the usual suspects like Google, Quad9, Cloudflare, but also quite a number of others.
28 • Linux devs and their attitude (by Mark B on 2019-09-23 18:40:08 GMT from United Kingdom)
I couldn't agree more with what you said about Linux people. It has been very much my experience too. What many of the ruder ones don't seem to realise, or perhaps care about, is that by alienating people with less knowledge they are biting the hand that feeds them. I'm sick to death of the open-source elitists who think you are a lesser mortal if you don't want to mess about with command lines and bash scripts. A great many happy Linux users are just that, users not coders. I just want to get stuff done. And, I've been a programmer and an IT tech, so I'm not clueless.
I agree with those people that recommend Mint MATE too. I've been using it for a number of years and I can find almost nothing to moan about.
29 • Who wants Mozilla and Google controlling DNS? (by Devil Oper on 2019-09-23 19:27:41 GMT from Switzerland)
That'll be Firefox watching the henhouse. Plus Google and its over 900,000 servers that track everyone. It's just another excuse by the biggest to spy more. And of course every corporation that can spies so much as it can, that's what needs stopped.
30 • funny that nobody mentioned manjaro in comments. (by ionel on 2019-09-23 20:28:38 GMT from Moldova, Republic of)
I think that manjaro is a very nice beginners distro,
it is a install once on granny laptop, configure it and forget about till laptop gets broken.
31 • linux distro for newbies (by george barbaz on 2019-09-23 20:32:41 GMT from United States)
I am just surprised that Elementary 5.0 Juno was not mentioned ... it has it's strangeness in that it looks like Mac OS ... but to me that is a plus ... I have been using linux for at least 15 years and unix/aix before that ... so I am not a newbie ... but I have suggested Elementary to a number of people and most have liked it ...
32 • Testing Distros (by Friar Tux on 2019-09-23 20:38:54 GMT from Canada)
#28 (Mark B) One of the tests I do on the various distros IS to see if they'll work out of box or not. If I can install it and go right to work, it's a hit. If there is even the slightest bit of fiddling involved, it's a miss. Yeah, it's harsh, but we're in the 21st century here, it SHOULD work. Mint has never yet missed, and I've installed various versions on various machines over the years without once having to tweak or adjust something. I can't say the same for any other distro (except Q4OS). Also, I never recommend forums to anyone with Linux issues. I usually try to steer them to a local Linux User Group. Those folks are usually quite friendly and nice to work with.
33 • Newbie distros (by hotdiggettydog on 2019-09-23 20:46:25 GMT from Asia/Pacific Region)
Peppermint OS is a sweetheart. Based on Mint without bloat. Lightweight enough to run on old hardware and lightning fast on new.
Peppermint includes many customizations which will make life easier for newbies starting off with the file manager and many other under the hood improvements.
34 • @26 Friar Tux: (by dragonmouth on 2019-09-23 20:50:33 GMT from United States)
Anti-social behavior is not limed to any particular area, such as Linux. If you examine the personalities of geniuses we've had throughout history, you'll find that many of them were anti-social and irascible. They did not "suffer fools gladly"; fools being normal humans of intellect lesser than the geniuses. In fact, anti-social behavior is nit limited to geniuses. In general, like talks to like. Experts look down on laymen. Upper management looks down on workers. The rich and the "aristocracy" do not associate with the hoi poloi. Even in this forum there are posters who believe that their "pronouncements" are enough to end all discussions.
35 • SystemDebian (by cykodrone on 2019-09-23 22:17:45 GMT from Canada)
This was so predictable, a corporation directing the path of a crucial system component, with 'phone home' capabilities, no less. When Debian drank the systemd Kool-Aid, I bailed, and haven't looked back. If I come in to some money, throwing some Devuan's way, they are gods in my eyes!
36 • Good riddance to RMS (by CS on 2019-09-23 23:24:55 GMT from United States)
It took until he defended a convicted and quite dead pedophile before RMS was finally ousted and permanently blackballed from any sort of meaningful position. Amazing it took that long given his behavior and the things he's said. Don't lump him in with Torvalds - Torvalds may be a jerk but RMS is something else entirely. And don't give him a free pass just because you love open source, the man is reprehensible and the only reason he stuck around this long is all the free passes he's been given until now.
37 • Ragging on Richard Stalman (by Bruce Fowler on 2019-09-24 00:13:44 GMT from United States)
I'm sorry there is no "like" button on Distrowatch !!
The PC (Politically Correct) police strike again! But perhaps he was getting ready to step down, he has been at this for many years.
"I say good riddance" - Here we go! See previous.
38 • @27 (by Eric Yeoh on 2019-09-24 00:57:06 GMT from Malaysia)
Being polite and decent in words and deeds are sorely lacking attributes in the tech world. You can be brutally honest at the same time show that you are not mean spirited or have a vocabulary limited to using expletives to describe people or situations. Cheers from hazy Malaysia.
39 • Systemd (by sananab on 2019-09-24 03:15:52 GMT from Canada)
The advantage of systemd was supposed to be speed. So far, that's failed to materialize on any system I've tested it on. Now, all we have gained from systemd was replacing something that was pretty easy to approach with Poettering's over-engineered, poorly-documented, insane nightmare tentacle monster, which has infected the open source world worse than any piece of malware ever has.
When I first started using Linux, people thought that the big threat to Open Source would be Gates or Balmer, but it turns out that the biggest danger was, in fact, Lennart Poettering's poor engineering skills and ridiculous ego.
40 • Aren't you tired of init system war? (by Frederic Bezies on 2019-09-24 05:44:04 GMT from France)
I've read all the comments, and I think peoples are still in 2015. SysVinit, Systemd, Runit, OpenRC... Come on! Why are you still focusing on this?
Don't you think that in 2019 there are more important fights to do? Like end-user applications?
I've been in linux world since 1996, booting linux only since 2006. And I saw progress in desktop ease of use until 2015. Since then, it is the holy sysinit war that is wasting energy.
I will be clear: I don't care at all which init system is running on my linux distribution. I just want it to work. It is a simple as that.
I wonder how many "good thinking" people are going to lecture me and tell me that I'm writing nonsense.
41 • @40 (by kernelKurtz on 2019-09-24 06:25:35 GMT from Switzerland)
I enjoy the work you do on the tubes and elsewhere.
Your assertion that other things are more important works just fine.
Though in my opinion any good argument can be wrecked by slapping the "I just want it to work" fallacy on it.
You buy a car. It just works. But at some point it will stop just working, if you don't put gas in it. Change the oil. Get new tires. Et cetera.
Stop making the payments and they will come take it away. It may still just work, but not for you.
If you drive it into a tree or a lake, it will probably stop just working. So your use case matters.
I buy a GNU/Mazda and I like it. When I go to trade it in, I find that the new GNU/Mazdas are all automatics now--can't get a new one with a stick. Also, there is a microphone hidden onboard "for emergencies" and I can't turn it off, or know when it's on. Does it still work? Yes. Will I be buying a new GNU/Mazda? No.
I don't need to feel militant about my choices, but I do have to make them--I am condemned to be free as another bright Frenchman once said.
"Just works" is a standard, but not a very fine-grained one.
42 • @41 cars and computers :) (by Frederic Bezies on 2019-09-24 06:38:20 GMT from France)
So, it is a fallacy to say "I just want it to work"? Just ask normal people if they do care about such technical things. They will look at you and tell you to go to a shrink and to get a life :D
Cars? I don't currently own a driving license, so... :D
For 99% (or so) of computer users, this is a big black (or grey) box with a screen, a keyboard and a mouse plugged in it. And it is perfectly fine! It is a tool and not a toy.
Init freedom? Well.. I don't think it is the main point in 2019.
What about a true photoshop-like picture managing tool with CYMK support embedded? The same for DTP?
I can continue for long. There are great free software tools, but a lot of them are lacking a professional UI or features. We do not need another init software systems. We need end users tools. Well, I'm speaking with an end-user point of view. Something missing in free software world nowadays.
And Sartre. I just don't like him. Did you read "L'écume des jours" from Boris Vian? There is a caracter called Jean-Saul Partre. I liked what happened to it.
Anyway, have a good day.
43 • init wars are just so passé (by greenpossum on 2019-09-24 07:16:30 GMT from Slovakia)
>The advantage of systemd was supposed to be speed.
No, it's for better process management and unifying dissipate mechanisms such as init, cron, triggers, and so forth. Also journaled logs. It matters for enterprise deployment which is why RHEL and SUSE have adopted it. Home users will see less benefit. But on the other hand if you don't fall for the glib characterisation that it's overcomplicated, you won't notice any difference in everyday use. I maintain systems of both types and don't have issues. What was that about just works? Systemd systems just do.
44 • Right said Fred (by Mark B on 2019-09-24 08:11:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
I think you are right about end-user software in the Linux world. Many do lack the polish that commercial applications have. I find it annoying when distros state that there are 30,000 packages or something. They conveniently forget that many of them are libraries needed by other programs not complete applications themselves.
I think it is no accident that some of the best programs on Linux are cross-platform. Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC, LibreOffice, GIMP, Filezilla, Skype, Audacity etc etc...all look the same across different operating systems. And the other benefit is that if you use Windows and Linux you don't need to learn two different programs.
You say you don't like Sartre so here is a joke featuring him that you might like instead.
"To be or not to be" - Shakespeare
"To be is to do" - Sartre
"Do be do be do" - Sinatra.
45 • Change is needed (by human on 2019-09-24 08:33:30 GMT from Australia)
I'd like to see the Linux license changed from GPL to something else that isn't connected to the immoral stances of Stallman.
Get rid of GNU, Busybox might be a good start.
I'm tired of Stallman, GPL and GNU. GNU/Linux rolls off your tongue like a neckbeard ranting about religion. Time to grow up and move on.
People that defend his disgraceful opinions should not be involved in anything this far reaching.
46 • @44 : packages and misc subjects :) (by Frederic Bezies on 2019-09-24 08:36:09 GMT from France)
Thanks for your comment. I think free software world forget something: on the desktop, it is nearly nothing, besides big names like LibreOffice, Inkscape, VLC or Mozilla Firefox.
A lot of free software users, technical ones, are acting like "we are master of the world because we are making software". Really? I thought it was money that rules the world!
Package numbers: it is easy to get X or Y thousands packages. Just split every single software between binaries and docs for example.
And this joke? Oh! It reminds me good old years on usenet newsgroups.
47 • @45 - You want to get rid of GPL? (by Hoos on 2019-09-24 09:36:19 GMT from Japan)
That's either deliberate baiting or @47 is correct.
48 • @ 48 And, lot of RMS bashing... (by kaczor on 2019-09-24 10:12:19 GMT from Greece)
And, there's lot of RMS bashing, GNU/Linux bashing today.
I suspect the ousting of RMS was well planned, by anti open source moghuls.
49 • @45 While you're at it ... (by curious on 2019-09-24 10:53:55 GMT from Germany)
... Why don't we get rid of all other guarantees of freedom, too?
Surely, one can find some obscure way to connect the (various) declarations of Human Rights, as well as the constitutions of democratic countries, with people who have (at least in your eyes) an "immoral stance". So let's get rid of all these freedoms!
50 • @45 human: (by dragonmouth on 2019-09-24 13:11:12 GMT from United States)
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."
"A man must be both stupid and uncharitable who believes there is no virtue or truth but on his own side"
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion,
Mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person,
Than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
John Stuart Mill
IOW, everyone, including RMS, has a right to their opinion(s), no matter how stupid you may think they are.
51 • opinions (by Otis on 2019-09-24 16:25:08 GMT from United States)
"...everyone, including RMS, has a right to their opinion(s), no matter how stupid you may think they are."
Until that post, I've seen not a single word challenging a person's right to their stated opinion.
This discussion seems to be about the differences of opinions, not at all whether any of us should have them.
52 • RE: #51 opinions by Otis (by TuxRaider on 2019-09-24 18:01:06 GMT from United States)
true everyone is entitled to their opinions, but also it is inevitable that people are going to judge others and be judged by their opinions...
if people dont want to be ridiculed for their opinions then they have a choice, either get better opinions or keep em to yourself.
53 • @45: new era? (by nanome on 2019-09-24 18:45:53 GMT from United Kingdom)
@45: new era? In the early days, GNU was a way of getting the new Linux kernel up and running. Busybox [or Rob Landleys' Toybox] is not a pleasant replacement for the GNU tools [I know this from when I was playing with a Busybox init-scheme and forgot to add /usr/bin into the search path].
However, certain elements of the Linux toolchain are due for upgrades. Now that the Linux kernel can [we are told] be built using LLVM/Clang, here is my alternative "wish list":
LLVM/Clang instead of GCC
MUSL-lib instead of libg
The MUSL version of Void Linux would allow this to be tested.
54 • Opinions (by Friar Tux on 2019-09-24 19:20:22 GMT from Canada)
#52 (Tuxraider) Well said. My Grandfather had an opinion about opinions. He used to say, "Opinions are like your privates. There for your personal pleasure - not to be flaunted publicly." He also used to tell me that people usually have two opinions on a subject (I'm guessing RMS did not). One opinion is for public display, the other is private. Make sure you know the difference.
55 • @42 Frederic Bezies: (by dragonmouth on 2019-09-24 21:24:46 GMT from United States)
"We do not need another init software systems."
If you are referring to systemd, they you are quite right.
"There are great free software tools, but a lot of them are lacking a professional UI or features."
There is no glory and/or recognition is application maintenance even if you do a great job. Programmers/maintainers toil in obscurity. So instead of developing new applications or fixing old one, every Ton, Dick and Harry that knows how to compile would rather cobble together their own distro. More exposure.
56 • What the heck? Why suddenly insults against Stallman? (by RJA on 2019-09-24 21:25:42 GMT from United States)
@48, "I suspect the ousting of RMS was well planned, by anti open source moghuls"-> I feel the same.
@11, QFT. Without him, there could be an OS monopoly that dwarfs the current chaos.
Perhaps needless to say, I'm starting to get fed up with the anti-Stallman stuff.
57 • Enterprise Borg Rolls On in DebIan (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2019-09-25 02:43:09 GMT from United States)
Freed Open-Source Software marketing may miss RMS. Or not. What's just one more in the count of collateral damage?
At least Stallman won't be conflating Freed with Free. Truth-in-Advertising counts. Clarity is better, especially when so much is twisted.
The GNU(!?) McCarthyism Hogs of War are loosed, and nobody is safe, especially opponents of the takeover of the GNU/Linux ecosystem as Big simply flexes its Mu$©£€. The Linux Foundation is pwned, DebIan is pwned.
(RedHat and SUSE have always been Enterprise, eh?)
The XML-based automated-system-management paradigm is simply too attractive to admins of armies of VMs, bots, etc (or at least to their execs, investors, …). If you are addicted to Big$ benefits, you will be assimilated … and "leveraged".
(By advertisers, at the very least.)
58 • Redcore (by Gary on 2019-09-25 03:51:40 GMT from United States)
Used a couple versions of Redcore before, mainly because I wanted a Gentoo based system that didn't take forever to install. Used the KDE version and had slightly better luck than with the LXQT version. I did however go back to Sabayon. Much better experience for a Gentoo-based distro.
59 • Why suddenly insults against Stallman? (by hunter on 2019-09-25 07:53:02 GMT from France)
In a forest, when a mighty tree folds down, there are a bunch of rodents and slimy, disgusting bugs happy to get a free meal...
@26 (Friar Tux from Canada) "Yes, I hold Stallman, and Torvalds, to be geniuses, but I would not care to work with/for them."
- Did either of them made you an real offer and you turn it down?
Just for my curiosity...
60 • @55 Ah, Pavlovian reflexes! (by Frederic Bezies on 2019-09-25 08:06:43 GMT from France)
On the first part of your comment, I feel I was going back in 2015 some the latest technical - so really useless - war in linux world. Nothing to add here. I'm fed up with this useless war.
But for the other part, you're awfully right. Some developers are so cut off from reality that they think that offering a linux distribution will look good on their résumé for a job.
How can they be so fool?
Glory? Recognition? Well, as well known french politician one said: "The cemeteries are full of irreplaceable people, all of whom have been replaced." (Georges Clemenceau, known as "Le Tigre" during World War I).
61 • RMS (by Gary W on 2019-09-25 08:19:15 GMT from Australia)
Everyone knows that RMS is his own worst enemy, and has been for a long time. So the only surprise is that the corps took this long to arrange a coup. I doubt this will effect his fervour or his commitment though. I'm grateful to be in his debt for major works such as the GPL and GNU userspace.
62 • DNS over TLS (by MCBuhl on 2019-09-25 10:00:51 GMT from Germany)
I would have voted for option "DNS over TLS" if it had existed. So I went for "either one as long as I can change it"
Else, I second @13 : the browser shouldn't decide, the OS should.
63 • RMS (by Nathan on 2019-09-25 16:30:28 GMT from United States)
First Linus, now Richard. My opinion is that both of them are slightly autistic, perhaps aspergers? As a nerd, I understand their mindsets, priorities, and rationale, even for voicing distasteful opinions. And I also understand the backlash. It's just depressing that people are attacking them, labeling them as "disgusting", when their behavior is explainable by a handicap. "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence" somewhat applies here.
Not that I mean this in any way to disrespect them! Many of the greatest scientists and inventors of the last century were on the autism spectrum. There was even some debate as to whether or not Einstein was autistic. Being a genius and having eccentric quirks just seems to be a package deal, is all.
64 • RMS (by Lupus on 2019-09-25 20:27:30 GMT from Germany)
I´m quite happy with RMS stepping down. I have the feeling that he in fact became a hinderance for the Advocates for free software.
Sometimes there are people who are on the right side of things and through quirks in their personality just make it absolutely intolerable to be on their, the right side. He became so annoying that he became bad for his good cause.
65 • Ubuntu 32 bit (by dude on 2019-09-25 22:44:03 GMT from United States)
Are there any 2019 Linux distros that support 32 bit non-PAE processors?
66 • @65 non-PAE (by Angel on 2019-09-25 23:00:02 GMT from Philippines)
Bodhi Legacy, AntiX, Slackware
67 • @ 64 RMS (by OstroL on 2019-09-26 05:39:59 GMT from Poland)
"I´m quite happy with RMS stepping down. I have the feeling that he in fact became a hinderance for the Advocates for free software."
He WAS the Advocate, and before him none was there!
68 • RMS (by Lupus on 2019-09-26 17:05:58 GMT from Germany)
See the positive. With the new free time on his hands the genius will have his GNU Herd System up and running in 3 to 6 months tops. I'm actually looking forward to Jesse's Review of that matter.
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