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1 • Largest procest (by DaveW on 2019-09-09 00:56:47 GMT from United States)
Firefox, by far. At 2.5GB (with 6 tabs open) it uses ten times the memory of the next largest programs, which are Thunderbird and LibreOffice Calc.
By the way, this command puts the header back on the 'ps aux' output:
ps aux | awk '{print $1, $2, $6, $11}' | head -1; ps aux | awk '{if ((NR > 1)&&($6!=0)) print $1, $2, $6, $11}' | sort -k3 -n -r | head
2 • Largest (by Bill S on 2019-09-09 01:48:12 GMT from United States)
Firefox
3 • ffmpeg (by Tim on 2019-09-09 02:03:59 GMT from United States)
Just a plug for ffmpeg, it's a phenomenal piece of software. I record a fair amount of video for my science classes, and depending on the class and level I'm often mixing video from different devices and resolutions, and audio of different volumes. Ffmpeg makes this possible on very modest hardware.
My advice for any new user is to search the web for what specifically you want to do with an ffmpeg command and then once you've tweaked the command to your satisfaction, run it and copy the command into a text file. Then you've got a library of commands that have been useful to you.
4 • Largest Process (by Terry R. on 2019-09-09 02:41:50 GMT from United States)
Web Browser for for sure.
5 • Adélie (by pin on 2019-09-09 04:13:17 GMT from Sweden)
Nice to see a review of Adélie, a very interesting distro that I've been following for a while. My expectation was that it would become some sort of "Alpine geared towards desktop use", but the direction might be slightly different.
I do hope it matures, as I would be happy to see a few more musl based systems. apk is also really fast, just wish they would consider runit over SysV+OpenRC. On the other hand, maybe that's just because I'm using Void on musl :)
Anyway, thanks for reviewing Adélie this week!
6 • Should merge with alpine (by Dave on 2019-09-09 07:44:42 GMT from Australia)
I wonder if it would be more useful for Adelle to use Alpine as a base to build on top off. That way the projects could benefit each other and reduce deuplication iof work, they could even share packages, for the most part.
Same with Void, just merge it into Alpine, their philiosphies are similar enough, why have two seperate and small projects? I'd love to see this with other distros too, merge them there are waaaaaay too many. Imagine more devs sharing code rather than re-inventing the wheel.
Same with package managers, there should be just one or two. My opinion anyway..
7 • Adelle, Alpine, VOID (by mike_3city on 2019-09-09 08:23:29 GMT from Poland)
Merge? Gather scattered forces and develop distribution together? Well, that is not going to happen.
Let's go back in time to a place where different tribes of primates (our ancestors) "invented" independently how to make and sustain fire. They passed it within their tribe, but not to other scatterred families around. They co-developed, progressed in parallel. I believe there is a similarity between this and distros. With an except when it comes to upstream changes to root distribution. Anyway, free linux world would be useless without input of big players like intel, google, ibm, microsoft and nvidia to kernel developement that serves their interests.
8 • @6 & @7 (by pin on 2019-09-09 08:55:16 GMT from Sweden)
Adélie devs do contribute to Alpine, just look at aports and git.
Alpine is interesting, but its not Void. Void used gnu-utils and Alpine uses busybox. Void uses runit, which I prefer over Alpines SysV/OpenRC. Void is partially inspired on NetBSD and has xbps-src to build from source, just like pkgsrc on NetBSD, My point is, yes, Alpine and Adélie could very well be based together, but they're already working together. Void is different from both those project.
9 • Largest process (by OstroL on 2019-09-09 11:14:08 GMT from Poland)
Largest process? Web browser, what else these days! Practically everything can be done in a web browser, word processing, spreadsheets, image editing and so on...
10 • Largest process (by tom on 2019-09-09 11:23:06 GMT from United States)
The largest process was my vpn.Google-Chrome came in second.
11 • Should merge with alpine (by Dave on 2019-09-09 12:00:08 GMT from Australia)
Hehe, yeah I know I've heard this before and similar. And it's not necessarily wrong either, but say there a two init systems, bang, there's two distros (not 100% always, but you know what I mean)
Yes different people come up with stuff in parallel, but the world's gradually getting smaller. But generally one or two standard ways of doing things will tend to dominate in the end, otherwise everything's a mess. I've distro surfed a bit and often find the differences (not always of course) are such that you can tweak one into the other.
Even package managers, if it installs searches and uninstalls, that's what most people need. An obscure bespoke package manager might have one unique advanced option that no-one uses. So, add that feature to the 2 or 3 main package managers and move on.
Same as mobile distros, just dump ubports, postmarketsos, pureos etc into one mobile distro that works intuitively. Drop the duplicate features, ruthlessly pick one option, drop the egos and opinions and get evryone pooling their resources into one awesome thing. When it's really good, then diverge into different options etc, using the good stable base.
Choice and options can be fun and cool, but sometimes you just want stuff to work, and work to a standard, because we only live for so long ;-)
12 • alpine void (by inter33 on 2019-09-09 12:33:30 GMT from Australia)
apk add man man-pages mdocml-apropos less less-doc
export PAGER=less
voila, void ±10%
13 • Firefox mem hog (by Jordan on 2019-09-09 13:56:17 GMT from United States)
I have tried palemoon and many others but they just can't show pages as I need them shown. There are tweaks in FF to make it more secure/safe and to use less memory, but it's still a hog. So, there's a tradeoff.
14 • pinephone (by dogma on 2019-09-09 14:29:34 GMT from United States)
I’m glad that it seems that pinephone is coming along reasonably smoothly. We so need options that aren’t google and apple.
15 • Program to use most memory (by Tom on 2019-09-09 14:47:32 GMT from United States)
Xorg-without browser
Firefox-with browser
So the poll would not be accurate.
Anyone reading this and checking would put Browser.
16 • Largest Process in Memory (by Lawrence H. Bulk on 2019-09-09 15:15:18 GMT from United States)
The program that I use which consumes the most processing power is, by far, HandBrake.
On a computer with 16GB RAM and an 6th Generation i7 processor, the Xfce CPU graph reads generally over 90% while HandBrake is converting a video (depending, of course, on just how complex the video actually is - and mine almost always are quite complex).
17 • @12 (by pin on 2019-09-09 15:21:48 GMT from Sweden)
Not going into "my distro its better than yours" thing, but I would say your suggestion is equals to Void -20%. How does what you wrote make building from source, with the recognition of the package manager, possible? Also, again I prefer runit over OpenRC.
18 • Is merging projects viable? (by Jason Hsu on 2019-09-09 18:12:26 GMT from United States)
Some of you think that Adelle and/or Void Linux should merge with Alpine Linux. I don't think mergers are viable. These distros have different ways of doing things. If two distros merge, there will be conflicts over which way to do things. Reconciling the two ways would take up a lot of time and effort.
Is there a history of successful software project mergers? Were Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Manjaro, or MX Linux the result of separate teams merging together?
LXDE and Qt merged to form LXQt. I've used SparkyLinux 4 (with LXDE) and SparkyLinux5 (with LXQt). I liked SparkyLinux 4, and its ability to promptly provide a release based on the newly-stable Debian Stretch convinced me to switch to it from MX Linux. LXQt in SparkyLinux 5 doesn't seem ready for prime time and prompted me to go back to MX Linux, even with the longer wait for the first release based on the stable Debian Buster. In fact, SparkyLinux 5 with Xfce feels far more like SparkyLinux 4 than SparkyLinux 5 with LXQt. I normally recommend using the "main" DE for a given distro, but I'm making an exception for SparkyLinux. If you want to try SparkyLinux, I recommend the Xfce edition but not the LXQt edition.
19 • Resource hogs and DE's (by Friar Tux on 2019-09-09 20:28:55 GMT from Canada)
For me, I don't even keep track IF I have any resource hogs. With today's computers it doesn't seem an issue. Older computers, maybe. My laptop is about 5 years old and the only slow app/programme I've experienced is Facebook - on Firefox, Chromium, and Brave browser. But, that's Facebook. Everything else works fine. (Linux Mint/Cinnamon on a cheap HP laptop.) As for desktop environs, my preference is Cinnamon. I have tried XFCE, LXDE, and LXQT and find them all lacking. Cinnamon is a nice balance. By the way, @11 (Dave) is dead on.
20 • Merging (by Tim on 2019-09-10 00:34:29 GMT from United States)
@18
Yes, MX Linux is a collaboration between antiX and MEPIS developers
21 • Memory consumption (by Rooster12 on 2019-09-10 11:14:31 GMT from United States)
Out of curiosity would systemd have an impact on how applications use memory. For instance Debian netinstall amd64, stretch installs on Asus Ryzen 7 2700X with WD1000GB drive, w/64GB ram desktop, memory is right @ 280MB at login. Devuan ASCII amd64 same setup, memory usage is 195MB of ram.
There is also a noticeable difference in how well the keyboard and mouse actions respond in Devuan's favor.
Is this normal?
22 • Run GUI in Adélie Linux 1.0 Beta (by Pavel Gladilov on 2019-09-10 12:22:44 GMT from United States)
I was run XFCE4 (and partially KDE) in QEMU upon Adélie Linux 1.0 Beta. Picture - https://gladilov.org.ru/img/osdetect/AdelieLinux.png, blog record - https://gladilov.org.ru/blog/all/new-virtual-os-10-09-2019/
23 • Manjaro Project (by Jimbo on 2019-09-10 13:10:59 GMT from United States)
Looks like Manjaro is all geared up to go down the Mandriva/Xandros road of bad commercialization leading to rapid decline and obscurity. You could see this coming when they announced the plan to start forcing bundled proprietary software onto users. Looks like it's time to start making a migration plan. Too bad there's no other way to get an Arch installation up and running without a 2 day build and config process.
24 • @23 (by Jim Michaels on 2019-09-10 14:20:29 GMT from United States)
Try EndeavourOS, currently at #93. It's awesome.
25 • Merging projects? Good luck! (by Johnathan on 2019-09-10 15:02:50 GMT from United States)
Merging resources sounds good in theory, but you're forgetting that often, the different projects exist exactly because some people wanted to do things differently. (E.g. MATE as a continuation of Gnome2.) And you want *those* people to give up their ideas and "unite"? This is folly. (And yes, such mergers do happen, but not as frequently as forks and divisions.)
26 • Firefox mem hog (by Jordan on 2019-09-10 15:53:28 GMT from United States)
Incidentally, the Firefox in Debian 10 is a bit lighter on resources than in other distros.
27 • Anarchy Linux vs. Manjaro Project (by David on 2019-09-10 18:44:16 GMT from United States)
@23
You may want to consider this one -
https://www.anarchylinux.org/ - https://www.anarchylinux.org/features/ - 99.9% pure Arch.
A minimalist 607 MB .iso Arch installer with an expansive universe of bootloaders, kernels, drivers, etc.
No useless bloated proprietary repos whatsoever, as with most of the Arch-based re-spins.
This will save you a lot of config time.
JMHO
28 • Re: Adélie (by msi on 2019-09-10 19:43:48 GMT from Germany)
Thanks for the review of Adélie. Here are a few comments and questions:
"Adélie performed quickly on the laptop, but was unable to make use of the computer's wireless card, probably due to excluding non-free firmware from the install media."
Non-free firmware can be obtained from the apkfission repository: apkfission.net. I got WiFi to work on my laptop using a firmware package from there.
"Later on I was able to install a compiler and some build tools. These toolsets are less robust than Debian's or Fedora's."
In what sense?
As for init and service management, s6 and s6-rc are in the works and will become the default eventually.
29 • Adélie / Merging (by awilfox on 2019-09-10 20:26:20 GMT from United States)
Project lead of Adélie here. Thank you so much for the feature! :)
Regarding merging distros into each other: Adélie and Alpine definitely have widely separate goals. Alpine is more focused on containers. We're more focused on portability and correctness. For instance, last I checked Alpine has packages that are not built for ARM or PowerPC because they were unable to make them build there. We won't ship a package until it runs on all our Tier 1 CPUs (PPC, ARM, x86). They also have different ideas about workflow than we do. And hey, whatever works for them is good for them - and what works for us is good for us.
I think the broader Linux community is stronger with separate distros having separate goals. It lets communities form around those goals, then when we contribute back to the projects we package, that software gets the benefits of *all* the different distros' goals.
30 • @23, @24 yes (by vern on 2019-09-10 21:42:54 GMT from United States)
Yes agreed @24. Endeavouros is striped to the bone. Great distro!
"systemctl list-unit-files --state=enabled --no-pager" revealed just 10 services active. Ubuntu had well over 50!
31 • Adélie / Merging (by Dave on 2019-09-11 01:45:56 GMT from Australia)
Wow, didn't expect to hear from the project lead, thank-you for your response!
What I do love about Alpine (which I think applies to Adélie too?) is the minimalism. Kernel + some standard tools + package manager. That's it. You need something else, install it rather than looking for another distro.
I like openbsd and it's emphasis on correctness, which I hope is part of what you mean. Problem with openbsd is while philosophically nice, there's just not enough hardware support. So an openbsd-like linux, which can run on more hardware - is great!
I completely understand where you're coming from. In my opinion (and that's all it is) Linux distros in general would benefit by being more pragmatic and pooling resources. When a project is ultra stable and very mature, then spin off new projects which can go off and be creative and follow their goals. Then down the track, compare notes, trim the fat, recombine and start the process again. Let an empire become great first, then let it collapse and split apart.
But I'll definitely be keeping my eye on Adélie, I love the idea of something like this for desktop use :-D
32 • I don't see any harm. (by Garon on 2019-09-11 13:06:33 GMT from United States)
@23,
You said, " the plan to start forcing bundled proprietary software" and I never saw where it said that. Also you said, "Looks like Manjaro is all geared up to go down the Mandriva/Xandros road of bad commercialization leading to rapid decline and obscurity." Commercialization is not always a bad thing, and what makes you thing they are doing it all wrong. I think it's great when a good distro can make something good happen in the business world. We'll have to wait and see.
33 • Distro/community strength (by Friar Tux on 2019-09-11 13:41:17 GMT from Canada)
@29 (awilfox) While I quite agree with you, I also think that ALL tools could/should be available on ALL distros. This could save having to load on different distros for different purposes. If my favourite distro could do everything and do it well... ahhhh bliss. (Hopefully, this will eventually happen with flatpak and snap.)
34 • Memory hogs (by Nathan on 2019-09-12 00:27:02 GMT from United States)
Firefox, though neither Falkon nor Epiphany are any better. On one hand it's good that some program makes use of otherwise underutilized RAM if that'll speed things up, but modern web browsers just seem to be hogs. Though nothing compares to the time I tried to run a gitlab server.
35 • @33 (by pin on 2019-09-12 03:36:08 GMT from Sweden)
"Hopefully, this will eventually happen with flatpak and snap."
Hopefully not! Personally, I really dislike those forms of software distribution. Multiple copies of required libs for each application, system bloat and security.
36 • flatpak etc (by nanome on 2019-09-12 19:52:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
@33,35: agreed that flatpak etc are admission of failure to deal with the real problem: software/packages have become so complicated in their interactions that even the best package managers cannot keep hundreds of applications and their hundreds of dependent [shared] libraries consistent.
The alternative of statically linking applications to libraries has [sadly] become out of favour.
The solution may rest with reconciling the disconnect between upstream sources and distribution repositories.
Personally, I would throw it all away and start again if I had the energy and resources..
37 • Resource Hog (by Magical on 2019-09-12 23:34:11 GMT from United States)
I preface my remarks by saying I run KDE 95% of the time...
My #1 resource hog is Firefox.
The only time I reboot is after a kernel upgrade.
I have at least 6 tabs open at any one time.
The worst offending site is accuweather.
I switched to using Brave browser and my resource usage dropped.
I no longer use accuweather, now I use hamweather, (aeris).
I have the same 6 tabs open.
When I switch and use Xfce, my resource usage drops even further.
38 • ps-awk commands (by mechanic on 2019-09-13 10:46:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
But how do I stop the field s11 (the program name) being truncated in the printout? Sometmes one needs a long path to track the process/program down. The output from the ps -> awk commands are useful but the output is severely truncated.
39 • ps-awk commands (by mechanic on 2019-09-13 11:22:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
...and how to shorten these commands? 'alias' has problems with complicated strings which already have inverted commas in them.
40 • ps-noawk (by Marcos Pereira de Sousa on 2019-09-13 13:33:13 GMT from Brazil)
alias psm='/bin/ps -eo user,%cpu,%mem,cmd --sort=-%mem --cols 153 | head -n20'
JMTC
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| • Issue 1074 (2024-06-10): Endless OS 6.0.0, distros with init diversity, Mint to filter unverified Flatpaks, Debian adds systemd-boot options, Redox adopts COSMIC desktop, OpenSSH gains new security features |
| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
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PilotLinux
PilotLinux was a thin client live CD. This means that when you boot from a PilotLinux CD your PC has been temporarily transformed into a thin client machine. If a settings file was supplied booting from a PilotLinux CD will automatically connect you to your terminal server. Otherwise the PilotLinux GUI will be displayed and give you the ability to manually enter the server address.
Status: Discontinued
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