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1 • Deepin (by Scott on 2019-09-02 00:45:24 GMT from United States) |
Does anyone know if the fixed there weather app so Americans can get Fahrenheit weather.
2 • MAC etc. (by M.Z. on 2019-09-02 01:45:51 GMT from United States)
From what I understand, msec from the Mandriva/Mageia family of distos can in addition to creating various user rules & network rules also act as a sort of a MAC program. At least it can enforce general rules against system tampering in directories listed as protected. Does that count as a MAC?
On the deepin front, the inclusion of Google Chrome by default, the difficulty with VPN, the gimmicky marketing speak, and the poor security policies all make the distro look a bit creepy & insecure.
3 • AppArmor (by DaveW on 2019-09-02 01:50:26 GMT from United States)
Linux Mint is my daily driver, and it uses AppArmor, but I have not put any personal rules in it.
4 • Deepin (by Angel on 2019-09-02 02:23:57 GMT from Philippines)
@Robert Rijkhoff - deepin ISO can be run live if you choose the "failsafe" option.at boot. Don't know why they don't say so. Downloads from Sourceforge and Mega are also speedy enough.
The difficulty with VPNs may be due to its Chinese origin. VPNs and China tend to be mutually exclusive, or so would their government like it to be. I would be wary of the cloud sync should they extend it outside the mainland, especially if I had relatives, business or other concerns which would bring me of loved ones there. WPS Office is probably used because there are commercial ties between Wuhan Deepin and Kingsoft, both Chinese companies. Those things, along with the flowery Chinglish prose should be a reminder that deepin is for make benefit glorious nation of People's Republic of China.
5 • deepin (by nux on 2019-09-02 06:07:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
ArcoLinux have a Deepin version, giving you an Arch base, the Deepin DE and none of the somewhat unsettling Chinese server connections.
It takes a bit of getting used to - such as not being able to set custom wallpapers unless the image is opened in Deepin Viewer and right clicked. Some themes not showing up after user installation, etc.
On the plus side, the control panel thingy is a great idea and once Deepin Top Bar has been added, the Desktop is pretty much what you would expect from a Gnome inspired environment.
I quite like the Deepin desktop to be honest. There's not a lot wrong with it.
6 • deepin VPN (by ov_clocker on 2019-09-02 06:21:06 GMT from Germany)
I use the Deepin DE with Antergos and there is in the control center at the topic network the point VPN with the option to import the settings. I think it's better to use Deepin with an other distribution.
7 • Deepin... (by kaczor on 2019-09-02 08:15:51 GMT from United States)
Join the Deepin forums community and ask there. You won't get trumped, just ask.
It is more like the glorious nation of China. After all, a nation consists of people.
Using only the Deepin DE on another distro is not the same as using the original.
8 • AppArmor & SELinux (by Microlinux on 2019-09-02 09:01:06 GMT from France)
Most articles mentioning AppArmor and SELinux describe SELinux as too complex and therefore recommend to disable it.
SELinux can be a slippery fish to grab. On my tech blog, I've written a detailed introduction to SELinux. It's in French, but the Linux bits are universal.
9 • Deepin Live (by lostmoonofsaturn on 2019-09-02 09:27:17 GMT from United States)
That Deepin "live" image appears to be only a recovery image. It's less than 400 megs.
The distro really needs a real live image. Why should prospective users be compelled to take the risk of doing a full physical install?
10 • Deepin Live (by Saleem Khan on 2019-09-02 09:46:29 GMT from Pakistan)
Very easy , press tab , edit grub menu , remove install part from grub menu and you can use official iso as a live session and.can install from it later on
11 • deepin desktop environment (by Carlos Felipe on 2019-09-02 10:44:58 GMT from Brazil)
Unfortunately we can only use it on deepin or arch-based system. Where is Fedora DDE or Ubuntu DDE?
12 • exFAT (by Simon Plaistowe on 2019-09-02 10:48:18 GMT from New Zealand)
Great news re exFAT. I'm looking forward to a decent Linux implementation.
13 • exFAT (by MikeOh Shark on 2019-09-02 12:06:33 GMT from United States)
Recalling "embrace, extend, extinguish", I hope they don't put exFAT into the kernel without very careful consideration. Perhaps MS should be asked to completely drop patent claims on exFAT if they want it in the kernel. Otherwise, we should push ext4 for big file support.
14 • @9 Deepin Live (by Reinaldo on 2019-09-02 13:02:30 GMT from Venezuela)
There is a live option on the regular ISO, just that they don't tell you about....just start with the "failsafe" option from the boot menu and it will work as a live cd
15 • Patent pledge > patent release (by CS on 2019-09-02 13:06:00 GMT from United States)
"Perhaps MS should be asked to completely drop patent claims on exFAT if they want it in the kernel."
Red Hat had (before the IBM acquisition) more than 2000 patents, many covering code in Linux, plus a patent pledge that helps protect their users from patent trolls. This is better than releasing all patents on the technology since a patent is both sword and shield. Saying that MS should not follow the best practices as established by Red Hat makes potential users more vulnerable to patent trolling.
16 • exFAT (by Jeff on 2019-09-02 13:23:18 GMT from United States)
... or use F2FS (Flash-Friendly File System), invented for flash memory by Samsung (a flash memory maker) and already in the Linux kernel.
What was that warning that came out of the Trojan war, beware of enemies bearing gifts?
17 • Robert Rijkhoff Review (by Andrew on 2019-09-02 14:28:03 GMT from Canada)
I really enjoyed this weeks review of deepin 15.11 I found it was very balanced, entertaining and informative. I hope we get more reviews from you in the future!
18 • Deepin (by Angel on 2019-09-02 15:14:46 GMT from Philippines)
@6, I don't see a problem with running deepin if one wants to use DDE. It is, after all, Debian stable with some of their own apps added. If one wants to stay out of Chinese servers, there are repo mirrors around the world. Also, the same VPN control center options are available as on other distros with DDE. I would have concerns about "cloud sync" from any Chinese company, as they are expected to cooperate with government on a number of things I may not be happy about.
@11, On Ubuntu, DDE can be installed from a PPA.
@7, The country's official name is the "People's Republic of China" (PRC), just as your country is the "United States of America (USA). Yes, both are made up of people.
@9, Re: Live, Read posts 4 and 16.
19 • exFAT support coming to Linux (by Sentient Being on 2019-09-02 15:28:46 GMT from United States)
exFAT support coming to Linux.. great news and all but really not *that* useful. The Linux kernel devs should work on doing what ever is necessary to integrate the ZFS file system into the Linux kernel.. now that would be something to get excited about!
20 • Reviewer's statement regarding Deepin's control panel (by Denethor on 2019-09-02 16:13:56 GMT from Bosnia and Herzegovina)
"However, the settings menu, which appears on the right-hand side of the screen, has been borrowed from Budgie." Not true, Deepin's control panel preexists. Just to clarify.
21 • Deepin DE's not that great... (by mkarwin on 2019-09-02 18:40:52 GMT from Poland)
Unfortunately, Deepin has a few more interesting "features" to put it nicely...
Basically, when you're installing a DE you're being commited to the file manager that comes with it... in the case of DDE the default file manager has some issues. E.g. it can crash when you're transfering large numbers of small files between opened windows. Ok, any DE's file manager can do so from time to time until it's fixed... I can certainly recall KDE and Gnome both having such issues at some point in time. But then there is another small thing - in case of some directories encompassing lots of elements, when you're traversing them, you may end up with somewhat hanging windows as the FM scans the directory to give you the elements count on the lower bar... before it acknowledges clicks. Ok, might be directories- or performance-wise case of your systems and therefore YMMV. In my case having all the font files (both finished fonts and various glyphs) in larger directories meant I prefered to 'cd' in terminal + right click + open directory in FM to get to some locations. Then there's another issue that keeps popping out in the FM - moving files through drag&drop'ing - the FM seems to be unable to scroll up/down automatically when you're holding the files' group to be moved - you're rather left with cut&paste approach instead - for some that might be an issue...
As for the app launcher/menu - in its fancier mode, the 'macos'y one, there's no option to get the favourites or most often used apps at the top of the list/grid. Apps are shown in the sequence they were installed/added to the menu, or when using the categories it's basically promoted/system apps first, then your linux installs, then wine apps in each category.
As for the themes - there are a few issues as well - the default "light theme" works by default OK. But when you're switching to dark theme system-wide things begin to break - many in-application windows remain stuck at the light theme - things such as open/save file. The GTK apps are not themed as well as the Qt ones - in many cases the window colors are switched but icons or text remain as was - you're getting black text or dim icons on dim/dark-grey backgrounds - eg. check the fontmatrix's font detailed info tab or deadbeef play controls. The system comes with an assortment of Windows apps available through the AppStore - they're just prepackaged builds with wine - but those are of course not "skinned" properly by the themes (see Foobar and FoxitReader). WPS suite also has a few issues with the system-wide dark theme on some less popular in-app windows but that might easily change between versions.
So to sum it up - it looks well, but it still has some 'teething' to do before it can properly bite some parts of userbases from the better known DEs...
22 • Deepin (by Jordan on 2019-09-02 21:39:07 GMT from United States)
Ugh.. well, just a feeling I got running that distro last year, and now seeing it reviewed: They baked Debian, overcooked, fried, somewhat usable, containing ingredients seemingly silly and not-needed as if raisins are good in cigars or some such. What I did with my feeling about that was install Debian again. I also walked away from Deepin with a similar notion that came over me when I tried out Sabayon, and retried it a few updates later: cultural differences? Not sure. Just not for me.
23 • Deepin (by hideo gump III on 2019-09-02 23:33:12 GMT from United States)
Deepin is nothing if not intriguing. The UI itself is a thing of beauty, if a bit under-cooked in a few areas. Perhaps a bit too smart-phoney for many (myself - a KDE enthusiast - included), but you gotta admit it's pretty to look at, and all those original apps show that they're genuinely contributing something rather than simply rearranging the deck chairs like so many other distros do.
Would I use it as a daily driver? Well, no. I'd be concerned about security/back-doors, what with the whole China/Trump thing. Also, there are more than a few paper-cut types of issues that might prove detrimental to one's data if used for anything important. I mean, if you still can't change the clock to 12-hour (despite there being an option to do that in the panel) or set the temperature to Fahrenheit...
Nice review though. I always enjoy the guest reviewers. Deepin could be a real contender if they tighten things up and cater a bit more to the international audience. At least ensure my personal privacy from peeing.
24 • Running Deepin live + Robert's review (by eco2geek on 2019-09-03 02:47:56 GMT from United States)
A better way (IMHO) to run Deepin live than using the "failsafe" option:
Press the "Tab" key on the main Deepin entry to display the boot parameters. Use the backarrow <-- key to navigate to where it says "livecd-installer" and backspace over it so it's erased. Then change the locale entry to "locale=en_US.utf-8" (or whatever yours is) in the same way, and press "Enter" to start Deepin up.
It's better than trying to run in failsafe mode because failsafe mode disables a bunch of kernel drivers.
If you install LibreOffice and it looks like Windows 95 (as in the screenshot Robert made), you need to install the "libreoffice-gtk" package (which will pull in, as dependencies, the "libreoffice-gtk2", "libreoffice-style-tango", and "libreoffice-systray" packages). This is not an issue limited to Deepin.
As far as Deepin itself goes, I'm not particularly bothered by the fact that it uses Chrome as a default browser, its use of Flash, or the fact that WPS Office doesn't seem to be able to open or save files in OpenDocument format. What I don't like (besides that Deepin is based on an old version of Debian, so, for example, LibreOffice is at version 5.2) is that they've made their own versions of many common utilities, such as "Music" and "Deepin File Manager", and IMHO several of them aren't as useful as ones that already existed.
(As far as their language errors go, just remember, their English is better than your Chinese.)
25 • 7 • Deepin... by kaczor (by vern on 2019-09-03 03:24:07 GMT from United States)
kaczor's comment to #5. Exactly what I feel. Tried other deepin want-a-be's. Its just not the same thing.
The way they allow access to root folders, no other distro does this. You can't edit, but the text viewing is great. Especially the esp files.
There's so much more the deepinOS does that keeps me using it.
26 • SELinux (by Dude on 2019-09-03 05:43:39 GMT from United States)
I don't use SELinux, because it makes my computer unusable. Nothing works.
27 • @19 Re: ExFat Support (by Rev_Don on 2019-09-04 21:00:03 GMT from United States)
"exFAT support coming to Linux.. great news and all but really not *that* useful."
That would depend on how often you use SD cards with large video files from Cameras. For me, that is just as useful as ZFS if not more.
28 • MAC options (by M.Z. on 2019-09-04 23:49:58 GMT from United States)
I'm not sure about SELinux, but I've been turning on msec enforcement on things like the / directory & don't seem to have in root related problems on Mageia, so that seems like a good MAC related security option on Mandriva related distros.
29 • Access control (by Barnabyh on 2019-09-05 19:09:31 GMT from United States)
AppArmor and on a case by case basis Firejail, if that counts.
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