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1 • Kernel (by brad on 2019-05-13 00:38:46 GMT from United States)
I've been running Manjaro for a few years now, and I find that the combination of an LTS kernel, with up-to-date (non-kernel) software to be the best environment for me. I've not encountered any issues.
That said, I wonder if if the hardware I use has as much (or more) impact on the stability that I see. I tend to stay away from NVIDIA graphics, and Realtek peripherals where possible, preferring to have an all-Intel machine. I've also had good luck with HP and Lenovo gear, and find Dell and Samsung more troublesome. YMMV. Interested to see how others feel...
2 • Kernel version (by Jim on 2019-05-13 00:42:59 GMT from United States)
I run the kernel from the OS I am using. I update my OS and packages regularly, so I get the fixes the OS wants. I tried Ukuu on Ubuntu Mate, when I had a kernel that failed to support my Broadcom Wireless, but that was confusing. I know just go back to the older kernel version until the next update if there is a problem. I always keep at least one old kernel version.
3 • Kernel (by DaveW on 2019-05-13 00:57:15 GMT from United States)
My daily driver (Linux Mint 18) uses 4.4, which is not a very recent version. I do multi-boot several different distros with newer kernel versions.
4 • kernels and hardware (by Bobbie Sellers on 2019-05-13 02:05:35 GMT from United States)
I like that my distribution PCLinux makes the latest kernel available as well as
Long Term Support versions.
In hardware I have had bad luck with HP machines.
Barely had four years of life from each, both were laptops.
I use Dell Latitudes E6510, E6540 presently, I have used
used E6420s in the past and my longest lived x86 machine
was a Dell Inspiron 4000 from the late 1990s.
Before that I used an Amiga 2000b a large desktop machine
that had been expanded with accelerator and video cards but
after the battery leaked onto the main-board it was not too
reliable.
bliss
5 • Fedora 30 (by Niyas C on 2019-05-13 03:55:37 GMT from Singapore)
I was using Fedora 30 BETA for past few days. I know that, Fedora 30 is officially released, but did n't get time to update.
Yesterday, the system got crashed while attempting to run unetbootin with Wayland session and failed to boot again. Many services were failing during boot.
So, I decided to discard Fedora and did a fresh installation of Ubuntu 19.04 Basic Mode. It is working smooth so far, after removing some resource consuming background activities like tracker & search everywhere and animations.
6 • Kernel (by P Tyerman on 2019-05-13 04:00:36 GMT from United Kingdom)
My main machine and my multimedia machine are both running the 4.9 series kernels as that is what the standard updates install. I very rarely move away from what the distro provides as default.
I also run some older stuff like X-Amiga and Damn Small Linux on older machines that use the 2.6 and 2.4 series kernels, and sometimes one or two that use the 3.x series.
It only seems like yesterday since the change from 2.4 to 2.6, how time fly's, getting old sux!
7 • kernel (by Titus_Groan on 2019-05-13 04:42:32 GMT from New Zealand)
5.1.series here, Distro default for this release.
4.14 series for previous, still supported, release.
Likewise @6, I install Distro updates, including kernel, when provided.
8 • Very Recent Kernel (by Roy on 2019-05-13 05:17:37 GMT from United States)
Sticking with UbuntuMATE and the 5x.
9 • Kernel version (by Jeff Joshua Rollin on 2019-05-13 05:41:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm running Arch Linux as my main distro (though yesterday I installed, and have so far been very impressed with, Open Mandriva 4.0RC, so I may switch), and interestingly OMV is using a newer kernel (5.1) than was available in Arch stable as of 2300 GMT. I'm also multi-booting various BSDs, Openindiana and Haiku and just using their stock kernels (though Haiku is a nightly from a few days ago and none of those are Linux, of course). I'm surprised by Brad's comments on Dell and HP because Dell officially ship Linux, whilst while I don't have direct experience of HP hardware I've heard more comments along the line of Bobbie Sellers'. Like Jim, I do often keep LTS kernels around if I'm running more recent versions (particularly if running Manjaro, when I'll often run their experimental kernels with more stable software). And P Tyerman, I remember gushing over a boxed copy of Mandrake Linux I was given with kernel 2.4 - I feel your pain!
10 • kernels (by zykoda on 2019-05-13 07:05:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Apart from run of the mill applications, usually installed from a distro's repositories I have been experimenting with parallel algorithms coded in C/Fortran. I use both the PGI community editions and the gcc collection. In comparison gcc lags in development wrt PGI. I am using the nvidia 418.56 driver with CUDA10.1. Using openmp, openacc and/or cuda allows the speed of execution of applications to be increased by factors of 10 to 20, sometimes beyond, on my very humble FX8320/GTX1050 hardware. I find the version of the kernel matters only in that the installed development environment be viable. Both utilisation of many CPU cores and GPU are easliy achievable with very minor changes to the single core CPU code. The bang for your buck is well worth the effort when the algorithms can be parallelised. I am currently using Ubuntu-mate1904 and mint18.3.
11 • Unknown kernel (by Pikolo on 2019-05-13 07:14:30 GMT from Poland)
Maybe we should tell users to use uname -r to verify their kernel version? The two people who voted unknown kernel could have learned something.
12 • Fedora 30 trouble after upgrade (by MCBuhl on 2019-05-13 07:40:27 GMT from Germany)
I upgraded to Fedora 30 one week ago and ran into an interesting bug that logging in wasn't possible: the login screen reappeared after any attempt. It turned out that there's a problem with Gnome extension that can be worked around by switching into console mode login and manually disabling any extension. Then logging into a Gnome Session is possible.
This workaround is well documented in ask.fedora.com...
Oddly enough, I could meanwhile re-activate all my extensions and it works as expected. 🤔
13 • kernel (by usman on 2019-05-13 07:53:43 GMT from United States)
kubuntu 18.04, linux kernel 5.1.1
using mainline ppa & mesa pkppa because i like ubuntu based but want the latest stable driver for my amd system.
thanks developers, maintainers & everybody who make this possible.
14 • Kernel version (by Hadrian Ferran on 2019-05-13 09:31:12 GMT from Netherlands)
I'm using 5.0.7 right now. I've got a fairly recent laptop which requires a wifidriver that's fairly shaky. Since moving to 5.0.7 it seems more stable.
15 • Kernel (by KC1DI on 2019-05-13 10:02:32 GMT from United States)
I've been using the 4.19 kernel for awhile and it meets my needs. tried 5.0 but my broadcom wifi card does not like it yet. Will try later.
16 • Kernel (by dragonmouth on 2019-05-13 12:49:17 GMT from United States)
PCLinuxOS current as of this morning. I alternate between the latest available kernel (currently 5.1.1) and a 4.19.x kernel. I used to use 4.20.x kernel but they were removed from the PCLOS repositories.
17 • Fedora update restarts (by Fedora waffler on 2019-05-13 13:39:10 GMT from United States)
I keep wanting to use Fedora however I just can't get over having to reboot after every/any update. So I just end up going back to Ubuntu based flavor.
18 • Fedora (by Dr. E.S. Ktorp on 2019-05-13 13:40:49 GMT from United States)
"the Privacy panel had options to disable the camera and microphone, but these options did not work."
Gee, what a surprise. I guarantee that after this bug seems to be fixed, the data miners over at Gnome Corp will still have access to your camera and mic.
19 • What and Why? (by Garon on 2019-05-13 13:48:58 GMT from United States)
I'm on kernel 5.1.1 using Ubuntu 19.04
@18, What are you talking about? Why did you say that and can you prove it?
20 • Kernel (by wolf-nv on 2019-05-13 13:49:40 GMT from United States)
Using Sparky Linux "Testing" since I fought my way out of the EVIL Microsoft Empire about 8yrs ago and am quite satisfied! At the present moment I'm using the 5.1.1 kernel and love it!
I,ve only had one problem, I test distros using VBox and when I tried to install the newest version, I ran into a problem with "linux-image", it seemed that no matter what I did "no go"!
Well, decided to try something out of the box. I booted up the generic Debian kernel 4.19 - installed VBox 6.0.6 with no probs then switched back. no probs!!
21 • Kernel version... (by Friar Tux on 2019-05-13 14:02:50 GMT from Canada)
Don't really care. Whatever comes with the OS version I presently use, so long as everything plays nice together. That is my priority - does everything work together, out-of-box.
22 • @ 18 pure rubbish (by mandog on 2019-05-13 14:21:52 GMT from Peru)
he Privacy panel had options to disable the camera and microphone, but these options did not work."
Gee, what a surprise. I guarantee that after this bug seems to be fixed, the data miners over at Gnome Corp will still have access to your camera and mic.
You are talking out and out rubbish Data miners are the Gnome indexing system nothing more and can be removed.
@9 I'm running Arch Linux as my main distro (though yesterday I installed, and have so far been very impressed with, Open Mandriva 4.0RC, so I may switch), and interestingly OMV is using a newer kernel (5.1) than was available in Arch stable as of 2300 GMT
Update your mirrors i had 3 5.1 updates last week on pure Arch.
23 • Kernels and spying gnomes (by Andre on 2019-05-13 15:07:05 GMT from United States)
(off-topic)
24 • wayland and xfce (by Dirk from Germany on 2019-05-13 15:15:39 GMT from Germany)
in principle I am accepting the progress coming up by the Wayland, especially the more security. My issue with Wayland is about the desktops. I love Xfce and I hate Gnome. Unfortunately Xfce doesn't support Wayland. So what happens to the Xce version of Debian ?
There is one essential Point: the Gnome Desktop is disgusting !!
25 • Kernel version? Why, I use the best one of course :-) (by RoboNuggie on 2019-05-13 15:25:43 GMT from United Kingdom)
FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p3
26 • Flatpak (by whoKnows on 2019-05-13 15:43:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'll not make any comments on the choice/number, quality or 'integration/look' issues of Flatpak -- they are as they are and are all very well known but, I'd like to remind you to check if they get any updates at all.
In my case, "Software" ignored the Flatpak packages and (almost) each time when I did a manual check, there was an update available for some app.
I'm not claiming that's always or for everybody the case but, am only trying to make you aware that you might be facing that same issue too.
https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2018/08/02/on-flatpak-updates/
https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/1399
https://www.mankier.com/1/flatpak-update
http://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/using-flatpak.html
I personally, consider Fedora software repository unusable -- too many important (to me) things are missing and even those which are there will work only partialy (because of some missing, deprecated dependencies) or not work at all (because they don't work together with Wayland).
27 • kernel versions (by Tim on 2019-05-13 16:08:49 GMT from United States)
I think this discussion will be interesting, but most of the useful stories will come from people running rolling releases. I think there's very little reason to not use the default kernel a stable release has, unless it doesn't work well for one's particular hardware and one knows that it is a kernel problem. With a rolling release one has to be careful because support for different devices can change radically. I was running fglrx when Debian Testing dropped it and that was an interesting few days.
What's been interesting for me has been using an old Chromebook running crouton and thus multiple distros in a chroot with the native Chrome Linux kernel. I would get warnings that I was running a 3.16 kernel and the software was compiled for a 4.9 kernel, but that was pretty much it. The software all worked fine. This made me think that as far as the kernel is concerned, as long as it is in security support and makes your hardware work well, keeping it bleeding edge doesn't really matter.
28 • Keep it on (by Garon on 2019-05-13 16:09:54 GMT from United States)
@23, Wow. I had better keep my shirt on then.
Has anyone thought about doing a review on UALinux?
29 • @11 • Unknown kernel (by Rev_Don on 2019-05-13 16:51:34 GMT from United States)
"Maybe we should tell users to use uname -r to verify their kernel version? The two people who voted unknown kernel could have learned something."
Why? I already know how to do that and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the others who voted unknown do as well. I don't run a Linux system 24/7 as many of the programs I need simply will not function properly (if at all) under Linux. Because of this I use numerous Live CD/DVD/USBs like Knoppix, Parted Magic, Tails, etc. I don't feel it is worth my time to boot up each one and find out what Kernel is in each, nor do I really care. I don't modify these distros so whatever they come with is fine and doesn't really matter as long as they work.
That said, when I did run Linux as a primary install OS I did know and care what Kernel it used and would update it when appropriate.
30 • Fedora update restarts (by whoKnows on 2019-05-13 17:12:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
@17 • Fedora update restarts (by Fedora waffler)
If that's your only reason against using Fedora, then there's an easy solution for it: simply do it over the command line.
https://www.rootusers.com/25-useful-dnf-command-examples-for-package-management-in-linux/
https://dnf.readthedocs.io/en/latest/command_ref.html
31 • Kernel version issues (by john on 2019-05-13 19:04:31 GMT from Canada)
Since this week is about kernels, just curious if anyone else has hit these kinds of problems. I have a Dell laptop that works perfectly on 3.xx kernels, and 5 seems to be fine too, but anything in the 4 series causes screen flicker (really annoying, to the point of being unusable). And my other laptop, anything up to 4.15 works perfectly, but higher than that and it won't shutdown / suspend. I know the kernel is an ever-changing thing, but it's annoying when stuff that used to work perfectly fine suddenly breaks.
32 • Fedora 30 (by pfbruce on 2019-05-13 19:44:03 GMT from United States)
I am amazed that no one has commented on Fedora's new boot loader. The one that inserts stuff into the kernel. My experience is that it only boots Windows as an alternate system. It recognizes Opensuse, Magiea, and Mint, but will not boot them (or even offer them as a choice).
When Opensuse 15.1 come along, I will see if it can live with Fedora, If not, I think I can live without Fedora.
33 • Gnome Calendar not available in default application list (by MCBuhl on 2019-05-13 19:56:31 GMT from Germany)
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calendar/issues/337
34 • Fedora Review Spellcheck (by Abhijeet on 2019-05-13 21:46:37 GMT from India)
First line of 2nd section "To being installing Fedora..." >> 'begin'
35 • Linux Mint's kernel management (by eco2geek on 2019-05-14 05:36:42 GMT from United States)
Linux Mint 19.1, which is based on Ubuntu 18.04, has a unique kernel management utility. Ubuntu versions are usually based on a single version of a kernel -- v4.15 in this case -- and then offer bug fixes, so, for example, we're now up to kernel version 4.15.0-48. Linux Mint has a utility that currently will allow the end user to install the kernel(s) of their choice, from version 4.15.0-20 to 4.15.0-48. The utility also offers information such as bug reports and changelogs for each kernel.
(Since Ubuntu 18.04 is a Long Term Support (LTS) release, it also came out with a "hardware enablement stack" featuring a newer kernel, version 4.18. So you can install that one as well. Linux Mint's kernel utility currently allows you to install versions 4.18.0-13 through 4.18.0-18.)
I usually go with the most recent kernel version available, although I've anecdotally found that kernels in the v4.15 series works better with my graphics hardware than kernel v4.18.
Incidentally, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, which just reached EOL at the end of April, which was based on kernel 3.13, made it all the way up to kernel v3.13.0-112.
36 • Kernel management (by whoKnows on 2019-05-14 06:16:27 GMT from United Kingdom)
35 • Linux Mint's kernel management (by eco2geek)
Actually, Linux Mint / Ubuntu 14.04 LTS made it all the way up to kernel v4.4.x
Linux Mint 19.1, has a unique but, very limited kernel management utility. It'll only give you the choice of Ubuntu 18.04 Kernels which is good and bad at the same time.
Ubuntu is regularly updating their Kernel, adds new features as you said and is pretty much very stable and reliable but, it's nothing for the 'Kernel fiddlering freaks' which must have the 'latest and greatest', even if the computer crashes on every second boot (somewhat exagerated).
For those who want to play around with Kernels on SOMEbuntus, there's one indispensable utility -- Ukuu.
https://teejeetech.in/ukuu/
No need to say, you should better make a backup before you start fiddling around with Kernels.
37 • Wayland (by Jack on 2019-05-14 11:37:19 GMT from United States)
Wayland is the technology of the future... and it always will be. Other than the fact that absolutely nothing runs on it, it's the best display protocol ever created by man.
38 • 14.04 (by Tim on 2019-05-14 13:20:05 GMT from United States)
@ 35, 36
14.04 LTS made it all the way to 4.4 depending on how you installed it/choices you made.
My most recent copy of 14.04 was installed from a 14.04-5 iso, and it came with the 4.4 series (which i think was backported from 16.04)
My understanding is that previous installs of 14.04 didn't default to the newer series unless the user specifically opted in.
Interestingly, one of the last 4.4 kernels that my computer (a virtualbox image) tried to install broke the ability to install the guest additions. So I reverted to an earlier one that still worked and removed network access (this was like a month ago, and I plan on keeping the machine running indefinitely)
39 • 14.04 & Mint (by whoKnows on 2019-05-14 14:24:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
38 • 14.04 (by Tim)
"14.04 LTS made it all the way to 4.4 depending on how you installed it/choices you made."
Yes, that's correct, however I was referring more to the: "Linux Mint XX.X, which is based on Ubuntu XX.XX, has a unique kernel management utility."
This 'management utility' was included in Linux Mint 17.x too, it just didn't look as good as in 19.x -- but, it was there and it offered (if I still remember correct) Kernels from 3.13.x to 4.4.x. One had to explicitely choose and install newer Kernel versions.
There were a couple of 4.4 series Kernels that didn't play well, if at all, with VirtualBox.
I had Mint 17.3 as my main computer until recently and it's purpose was running VM's. I can't say much to Mint as guest since I never used it (as a guest on VBox) inside VM.
40 • @39 - Re: Ubuntu 14.04's default kernel (by eco2geek on 2019-05-14 15:33:38 GMT from United States)
If you installed Ubuntu 14.04 right when it came out, and never opted in to a newer kernel, you got kernel v3.13.
The point I was trying to make was that, even though Ubuntu isn't a rolling release, they do frequently update their existing kernels with security and bug fixes. Their last release of kernel 3.13 for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, for example, was version 112 (kernel v3.13.0-112).
(When I was running a Linux distro based on Debian Sid, I used to get newer kernels as they came out, and I also used to compile my own. Now that I'm older and lazier, and since Ubuntu has proven to work well over time, I just go with the kernels they produce.)
41 • kernels (by Tim on 2019-05-14 18:04:47 GMT from United States)
@41
That was what I thought, thank you. Your experience mirrors mine- the generic kernel hasn't been an issue for me in a while.
42 • Kernel management software (by Morton F. on 2019-05-14 18:18:12 GMT from Ukraine)
The provided above link to UKUU (#36 Kernel management) is not for open-source but for commercial version. Old open-source UKUU has some issues and is unmaintained. Anyway with UKUU you can get only mainline kernels which don't have Ubuntu patches. If you can deal with incompatibility issues of mainline kernels then using three terminal command to install any kernel isn't that difficult and it is not sensible to use closed source UKUU that requires root access.
Linux Mint 19.1 kernel management utility currently allows to install Ubuntu kernels 4.15 or 4.18 series and to conveniently remove installed kernels, including manually installed ones.
43 • Re: update your mirrors (by Jeff Joshua Rollin on 2019-05-14 19:34:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
Mandog, you must be running testing. I'm on stable. It works so I'm unwilling to (potentially) junk it for now.
44 • machine distro kernel (by mmphosis on 2019-05-14 23:06:01 GMT from Canada)
Dell laptop Debian9.9 4.9.0-9-amd64
This older Dell is reliable with the exception of the odd EUFI/Secure boot/firmware issue.
Dell laptop Xubuntu18 4.4.0-146-generic
Thankfully, this Dell laptop is no longer capable of running the horrible OS that came with it: Win10. Happily running Xubuntu with very very few problems for years now.
Raspberry pi Raspbian 4.1.19+
The Raspberry pi is my favorite device and is very reliable, although no battery backup power, and the clock gets out of whack.
45 • kernel management, Ukuu (by El Maco on 2019-05-15 01:56:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
It has been possible for quite a while to install Ubuntu mainline kernels from the PPA by downloading the .deb file and installing. Ukuu, as the developer himself says, is just a convenience. There are no "issues" (as per @42) with the older version, as far as I know. I use it regularly. It's still available from GitHub. The developer just decided to stop working for free, or almost free. (As in beer.) "Donate" doesn't seem to work.The new version is closed-source and requires payment. Anyone interested can find the info on the website. I'm not adding links, etc. here because I figure anyone who can't find the info by themselves should probably not be playing around with the kernel.
I understand why Ukuu's developer changed. I'm always amazed (and thankful) at the variety of software available at no cost. I was at the website of of the SuperX distro the other day. Middle of the month, and they listed their largest and only donor at the princely sum of $1.00. Good luck to them.
46 • "Ubuntu snapshot" vs. "Fedora rawhide" (Distrowatch terminology) (by Greg Zeng on 2019-05-15 04:08:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
Tried to install Fedora, but my Dell XPS-15 (2013 model) refused to let it install. So I tried Ubuntu, to trial the latest GNOME desktop & applications.
Using the Distrowatch "search" utility, it allowed me to compare "Ubuntu snapshot" vs. "Fedora rawhide". What are these operating systems? How did Distrowatch allow me to compare the file names in each of these unofficial operating systems?
I'm guessing now: are these file comparisons made after each operating system is allowed to update to the latest officially available files?
47 • snapshot (by Tim on 2019-05-15 12:23:45 GMT from United States)
I don't know about Rawhide, but my impression of Ubuntu Snapshot is that it's what's currently in the development branch (in this case 19.10 eoan ermine.)
48 • @47 - Fedora Rawhide (by eco2geek on 2019-05-15 22:16:08 GMT from United States)
From https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide --
"Rawhide is the name given to the current development version of Fedora. It consists of a
package repository called "rawhide" and contains the latest build of all Fedora packages
updated on a daily basis. Each day, an attempt is made to create a full set of 'deliverables'
(installation images and so on), and all that compose successfully are included in the
Rawhide tree for that day."
Since they also produce ISOs, it's pretty similar to Ubuntu daily builds of the next release.
@42: Linux Mint's kernel management utility recently added kernel v5.0.
49 • 43 • Re: update your mirrors (by mandog on 2019-05-15 22:19:02 GMT from Peru)
Arch stable is what it says the latest stable software, But yes I have used testing for years never had a problem with it and forget I ever use it.
50 • Kudos to Centos (by Kingneutron on 2019-05-16 01:21:04 GMT from United States)
...for keeping their user base informed with the build process. :)
/ however, if it takes longer than 2 weeks to get out the door they may riot :b
51 • @48 Kernel management software (by Morton F. on 2019-05-16 04:26:39 GMT from Ukraine)
Thanks!
I'm using now Linux Mint 19.2 kernel utility. It has enhanced functionality and supports low-latency kernels:
mintupdate_5.4.7-unstable-201904051116~ubuntu18.04.1_all.deb
It is available from the "Linux Mint Daily Builds - Launchpad.net" page (to download .deb file just navigate to "View package details"). I successfully installed it in Linux Mint 19 and 19.1.
52 • #50: CentOS 8 (by Distrowitch on 2019-05-16 17:48:32 GMT from United States)
@50: It will take more than two weeks. It's a major set of changes, the kind we typically see once in five years from Red Hat. Everything has to be built, and I do mean everything. I don't see either CentOS or Springdale Linux getting it done that fast. Better to get it right in any case. Also, expect non-Intel builds and 32-bit builds to take considerably longer. (Yes, there has been discussion of doing a 32-but build on developer lists and in the fora.)
53 • Fedora 30 (by Toran on 2019-05-16 18:31:36 GMT from Belgium)
F30 recognised my external Wifi USB Mediatek AC600 TPlink. Did not recognise my Samsung CLX3180 printer. Connection with internet regulary felt out. Changes to Arco. F30 is not yet mature.
54 • Devuan (by Phil on 2019-05-17 18:27:39 GMT from United States)
I migrated from Linux Mint 18 to Devuan ASCII. I'm running a 4.9 kernel on an old Acer Aspire, and 5.0 on Artix Linux on a MacPro circa 2008. No problems with either because I'm systemd-free! Whoo-hoo!
55 • @54 Devuan ASCII (by bobtronworldwide on 2019-05-17 21:05:28 GMT from United States)
Whoo-hoo!..me too!..only a few niggity-diggity tweaks but it plays ball very well.. may i ask are you using MIYO-64..it rocks also...tnx!
56 • Devuan vs. Mint (by hmmm on 2019-05-18 08:53:45 GMT from United Kingdom)
I have them both and they both work just fine.
I just fail to see how Devuan could become a replacement for Mint.
It's a kind of replacing a car (automobile = transportation of humans) with a tractor (agricultural machinery).
57 • great poll question because... (by tom joad... on 2019-05-18 14:52:44 GMT from United States)
great poll question because...after I voted I thought I should do the autoremove thingie. Yup, I freed up 668mb of space!
Thanx Jesse!
58 • Silly Fads (by M.Z. on 2019-05-18 18:18:14 GMT from United States)
@56
It strikes me much more like the gluten free fad. Sure, you can avoid wheat protein if you want, and for a tiny fraction of people it may even be an actual necessity; however, for the vast majority of dieters/init users, there is no real benefit to all the extra work of avoiding something like gluten/systemd. They also have in common the fact that the more you want to talk about it the less impressed I am. I suppose gluten free is stupider, because a nice multi-grain bread with out extra added processed garbage is actually an important part of most healthy diets, while systemd has no real added benefits to end users that I can see. It just floats around turning on Linux distros while being GPL software that is as free & open as most other init alternatives while being a bit more complex. People love to hyper ventilate about silly meaningless fads.
59 • @ 58 (by akoy on 2019-05-19 05:52:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
The never ending anger with the Linux community!
If we support open source, if we support Linux world, we should be happy at any and every development move in it. The choices galore. We should like everything, even if we don`t use them. One`s like/dislike is a personal thing, as nothing to do with Linux development.
No one in the Windows or Appe forums say anything against Linux, or anything against each other. So, why we are so toxic?
60 • @59: (by dragonmouth on 2019-05-19 12:34:04 GMT from United States)
"One`s like/dislike is a personal thing, as nothing to do with Linux development. "
Individual like/dislike has everything to do with Linux development. If Poettering and Red Hat did not like systemd, it would not have been developed. If they liked SysVinit, there would be no systemd. If Shuttleworth did not like Snaps or Unity, those projects would have died on the vine. If Shuttleworth did not like having applications that he could control, Canonical would not be developing their own versions of popular apps. Canonical did not drop Unity from Ubuntu because it is a bad interface, they dropped it because users in general did not like it. If you bother to see, there are many other examples.
"No one in the Windows or Appe forums say anything against Linux"
Which forums do you frequent?!
"So, why we are so toxic?"
Because of the choices that Linux offers us. I guess, in your opinion, we should all STFU and march in lock step behind a single distro like the Windows and OS/X users are doing? You would like to see Linux become a walled prison like Windows or OS/X.
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