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1 • KDE Neon (by Jordan on 2019-03-18 00:16:22 GMT from United States)
Third week of using KDE Neon exclusively. Like it. Speed and stability. Easy to get software, etc.
Keeper.
2 • Kde Neon (by DeeVee on 2019-03-18 01:06:52 GMT from Brazil)
I am using Kde Neon on my notebook (production/enterprise) and I like it a lot. It seemed to pack a slim set of software (eg no pre installed office suite, etc) so I could add only what I really needed, without bloating the system unnecessarily or having a crowded system as my starting point. Already set to get the latest kde updates is also good - no fiddling with special configs and Plasma is already pretty solid and stable. Definitely recommended.
3 • Anything KDE (by Friar Tux on 2019-03-18 01:16:00 GMT from Canada)
I used to be a KDE fan (ran Kubuntu for a while) but found that it got so bloated that two years ago it started having major issues. After hunting about for something that would work, I found the Cinnamon DE and fell in love with it. It's a nice middle road between bloated KDE and stark naked XFCE. Now I prefer to run nothing else. (Trinity DE comes a close second if the Grim Reaper ever comes for Cinnamon.)
4 • KDE Neon (by Mark on 2019-03-18 01:57:18 GMT from United States)
Moved to KDE Neon after falling in love with KDE on Netscape and Maui. I would certainly not feel too put off moving to Kubuntu, and if Neon wasn't available, it would probably be my regular go-to.
But I do like the build-from-the-ground-up principle to Neon. Neon's probably not the best for utter newbies, but I do like that it doesn't throw a lot of extraneous software at you, and generally lets you set up the system exactly the way you would like. It kind of makes sense, since KDE tends to allow for so much customization of the desktop environment, that the Neon Distro would give you the blank slate to start to customize your system your way, as well.
5 • KDE (by Vern on 2019-03-18 02:58:00 GMT from United States)
I've been using Kubuntu disco since I got my new computer. The old integrated nvidia just couldn't handle the graphics. I'm very impressed with Plasma. The only complaint so far is the bottom panel that can't use transparency. With all the knobs and switches that KDE has this is a puzzlement. This is a way around this, but one has do a lot of work to accomplish it.
I'm loving KDE once again!
6 • KDE Neon Installer (by Ali on 2019-03-18 05:23:45 GMT from Iran)
Jesse, Kubuntu uses Calamares installer. I suspect KDE Neon also uses Calamares instead of Ubiquity.
7 • KDE Neon (by mes on 2019-03-18 06:53:58 GMT from Netherlands)
I was a happy Neon user. I liked the minimal installation. But after a couple of months I got some problems. I think that the match of the stable base of ubuntu 16.04 and the latest KDE-version became worse. I am not sure.
Now I switched to Kubuntu with the minimal install option and I am impressed with it.
8 • Neon, and @5 Transparent (by Angel on 2019-03-18 07:09:05 GMT from Philippines)
Would use Kubuntu, but I stay with Neon, no special reason. It may, as @7 said, become unstable (rarely) and has more frequent updates.
If you want a transparent panel, the ktrans provides one.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/69485990@N05/47409862081/in/dateposted-public/
9 • KDE (by Wedge009 on 2019-03-18 08:30:32 GMT from Australia)
I use Kubuntu with backports and seem to have the latest KDE stuff available (for a Kubuntu release) so I'm not sure why Jesse didn't notice a change after updating.
I find (speaking very generally) that GNOME seems to get more love than KDE, so it's very nice to see this comparison (I wondered about KDE neon when it first started). I wonder if @3's experience with bloating comes from the troubled days of KDE 4 (not that I personally had much trouble with it). Current generation of KDE Plasma seems to be a bit better in that regard - I've been using KDE since 3.5.
10 • DE's (by pin on 2019-03-18 09:08:40 GMT from Sweden)
It seems to be such a focus on DE's going on. On one hand, this is understandble, on the other hand, its sooooo boring!!!
I don't use a DE, I don't really care about a GUI software manager... I don't even use Network manager.
It would be nice if we could read about other things once in a while, something different from a flashy DE that together with your web browser uses GBs of RAM.
It would be nice...
11 • KDE needs two things (by Sven on 2019-03-18 10:26:40 GMT from Estonia)
First, Settings should be split into two levels, simple and advanced. For a newbie, that full set of settings is overwhelming.
Second: both distributions in question should be supported for 5 years, same as their Ubuntu base. I do understand the extra workload problem, but 3 years is simply not enough for production machines.
Just my .02 cents
12 • Neon: not actually full KDE? (by Carney on 2019-03-18 13:00:40 GMT from United States)
Isn't the whole point of neon to go full blown KDE? Even the KDE website pushes it. But they're not eating their own dogfood.
Looks like neon ships with LibreOffice instead of Calligra (the former KOffice) as the default office suite, and Firefox instead of Konqueror as the default web browser.
13 • KDE Neon and Wayland (by Terry Parris on 2019-03-18 13:39:20 GMT from United States)
Jesse,
One thing I noticed is that you didn't mention the variants of KDE Neon as there are three.
User Stable
Developer Stable
Developer Unstable
For those wishing to be bold you can run Developer Unstable, but prepare to send in lots of bug reports. I myself run Developer Stable and have used both Wayland and Xorg display managers. Developer stable doesn't appear to have the stability issues with Wayland as does the User Stable. Part of this may be that the packages for the Developer editions are even more current than the User edition.
As to package management, even though both come with Discover, and Kubuntu ships with Muon as well, you can still install Muon or even Synaptic in KDE Neon besides the command line APT. To each their own on this issue though as Discover is becoming much more stable. I rarely use the other two package managers now.
As to the Virtualbox issues you experienced, I to have used both in Virtualbox. The issues stem from the use of KWin while in Virtualbox. The distributions act equally responsive once you disable ALL 3D visual effects in Virtualbox. Nothing more need be said here.
My only other comment is the reason I love KDE Neon is that you can better customize your applications to your working methods instead of removing applications from Kubuntu and having to install new software.
Hope this helps people better decide between the two distributions and what to stick with.
14 • KDE Neon or Kubuntu? (by Ostrol on 2019-03-18 14:05:02 GMT from Poland)
KDE Neon or Kubuntu? Both.
KDE Neon developer unstable moved to disco repos, so you get the newest KDE apps plus the newest base packages and with kernel 5.0 -- fully rolling,
or,
Kubuntu 19.04 daily with plus backports -- just a little bit less rolling.
Both has the most fully fledged DE of all Linuxes.
15 • Installer (by Jesse on 2019-03-18 15:13:39 GMT from Canada)
@6: "Jesse, Kubuntu uses Calamares installer. I suspect KDE Neon also uses Calamares instead of Ubiquity. "
This is not true. Kubuntu uses the Ubiquity system installer. (You can check the package listing for the live media if you want to confirm.) One of the KDE neon devs has reported that they want to switch from Ubiquity to Calamares, but it had not happened yet when I wrote the review.
16 • Kubuntu or Neon? (by @63 on 2019-03-18 17:10:43 GMT from Canada)
At one time either of them would have worked for me, but with KDE5 and the direction it seems to be heading, I voted for neither. Sorry KDE but it seems that you have headed backwards. As in KDE is now less configurable, the new look, looks like something designed by pre-schoolers and they keep trying to shove that dang breeze theme crap down our throats, while trying to keep the good looking oxygen icons out of the picture. WHY????? I thought Linux was about choice. The more KDE "improves" the better XFCE looks!
17 • Reactions (by Jessey on 2019-03-18 17:33:46 GMT from United States)
AT one time I understood why both existed. Kubuntu had old versions of KDE. It is now 2019 and for right now both are about at the same version. How ever you have to rembmer that they will not as time comes do to 18.04 having 10 years of support. KDE Neon will be on KDE 6 and Ubuntu LTS will still be on 5. So there is a reason for Neon in the long run. Now comarping Neon to Tubuntu (Trinity +Ubuntu) would be more interesting. or getting the Fendora KDE 1 running on Ubuntu. A KDE vs KDE distro battle like this is not intrustinig. Now if you were to go to ROSA or PCLinux that might be decent to read.
@President. I am not supprised no one wants to run. Most of Debian are coders and don't want to have to deal with the backlash like the last guy who killed off all non System D versions of Debian. That and most knew users use Ubuntu or Mint.
@Solus: Ya a new version...It will not install on my computers just like the last update did not. Lost interest in it. I hope some one makes another distro like theres based on a forked Debian/Devuan.
@Sugestion: T know that news is dead about linux right now with ubuntu 19.0 comming out next month or 2. How about looking into AROS? IT has only been metioned once on LAS once when Lunduke was on. Just saying it has been years and I don't think you guys ever covered the OS. Iciros Desktop is the most complete. It is so diffrent from what most Linux users have delt with. I am not saying it is bad. just alot to learn if you have never used an Amiga before. Freedos would be good to if you want to try some thing diffrent. Hell testing some thing dead like Jnode might be fun.
18 • seems about right (by Tim on 2019-03-18 18:17:06 GMT from United States)
What I took from the review today was that basically there's not much difference between the experiences of two well polished and highly regarded versions of Linux, especially with the same desktop and base.
I think this is a pretty good description of Linux in 2019. Some nasty reviews and commenters will say that things have stagnated, but I think the opposite is true. Pick a base you know, pick your favorite desktop, and you'll be pretty set for a while. Desktop apps continue to develop, bugs continue to be squashed, and the Linux kernel keeps gaining support for new hardware. But things keep working about the same.
The only major negative change for me in the last 4 years has been the loss of Banshee. But I run that in a VM now so it's ok. I've only had two major positive changes- LibreOffice 5.0 was a major leap, and Linux 4.18 meant a laptop that needed a wifi dongle now had wifi work natively. Otherwise I'm about the same, and that's how I like it.
19 • Kubuntu vs KDE Neon - Qt version (by Poppy Cock on 2019-03-18 19:53:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Kubuntu 18.04 LTS user here. One factor to consider is if you are using PPAs to install newer versions of Qt applications or Qt applications not in the Ubuntu repositories. Many of these will be built against Qt 5.9 LTS for the Bionic base of both Kubuntu 18.04 LTS and KDE Neon, and some have issues with Qt 5.12 in KDE Neon.
Also, the latest versions of Latte Dock and plasma-browser-integration are backported to Kubuntu 18.04 LTS, so you get some of the newer goodies with the Backports PPA.
I find the minimal install in Kubuntu to be a great feature.
Will check out the RC of Disco Dingo, but very happy with Bionic Beaver.
20 • KDE vs Kubuntu (by Robert Brenner on 2019-03-18 20:28:57 GMT from United States)
off the top - i agree, both are very similar.
But there are differences that show up with use.
Neon has more useful defaults. The big one I noticed was the Xorg touchpad library is installed on Neon, but not Kubuntu. Also, Snap support in Neon allows full use of Discover for installation - had to use the terminal with Kubuntu.
Network, mouse settings, and a few other deeper controls are different between the two, but too varied to list..
On the plus side for Kubuntu, it seems to have more libraries in its base (18.04.2 minimal install version).
- Wacom Cintiq pro (very new) was able to work fairly well with Kubuntu, not at all with Neon (tho it worked better than either when using Mint Cinnamon)
- Could not get Minecraft Java launcher to function at all in Neon, but no issues with Kubuntu.
- Playonlinux installs more non-listed windows apps in Kubuntu than Neon
And I agree that Kubuntu's default color scheme is prettier than Neon.
There are features in 5.15 that I wish were in 5.12 (root in Dolphin) and Discover is smoother and better integrated visually with 5.15.
Overall, I can do more of what I need with Kubuntu than Neon BUT...the starting out of the box configuration of Neon is a bit more useful than Kubuntu. It was after installing 3rd party stuff and using external devices that Kubuntu's usefulness outpaced Neon.
21 • Konqueror (by Jordan on 2019-03-18 21:48:53 GMT from United States)
@12 Have you tried to use Konqueror? No?
Good. ;o)
22 • @10: "It seems to be such a focus on DE's going on" (by Andre Gompel on 2019-03-18 22:25:37 GMT from United States)
@10: "It seems to be such a focus on DE's going on"
Could not agree more.
For example, I found out (by experience) that Fedora/Redhat has usually better hardware support that Ubuntu. Better Network Discovery of printers, better auto-loading of printer drivers (at least for HP), better support for latest hardware (AMD Radeon, Nvidia, etc...) etc...
Furthermore, I am concerned to see that the rush to Ubuntu tends to create much more support for DEB (Debian) based packages that RPM, even though RPM (along with DNF) is far superior: Delta RPMS's, Do/Undo capabilities, history etc...
Worse than that, this is PATHETIC some popular and excellent Linux Magazine (Linux Format) seems hellbent to just ignore the very large base of RPM's based distros (Fedora, Suse, Mandriva etc...).
So I understand the fact you comment DE's, Desktops Environments (I prefer MATE), but please document installers, File System supports, Packages freshness, and more of not so visible however important par of the Linux Experience.
On the DE, LxQt seems to have excellent potential, but is still missing useful features, among then plugins/widgets (so good in MATE !).
23 • KDE Neon & Kubuntu (by Charlie on 2019-03-19 01:33:28 GMT from Hong Kong)
I think views are a bit different for normal users.
Firstly, even if Kubuntu provides the newest Plasma in backport repo, I won't bother to install Kubuntu first and add the repo if I want the newest KDE experience. Since Neon does everything for you, why do you need to do extra work?
Secondly, themes aren't such big issues since it can be tweaked in just few clicks. The dark theme comes with Plasma by default, you can change the theme in less than a minute in Neon.
Conclusion: Neon looks more convenient if you are looking for an updated KDE experience.
24 • KDEs (by Gary W on 2019-03-19 03:00:23 GMT from Australia)
I said "I do not like either", but in fact I do like any KDE for attractiveness, flexibility, and good apps. However, "I do not use either", as I find KDE to be too much of a good thing. I prefer simpler, less resource intensive traditional desktops like XFCE and MATE.
25 • All Lts Ubuntu (except Ubuntu Studio) flavours have only 3 yr support.... (by Peter on 2019-03-19 04:28:19 GMT from Australia)
Just a point of clarification as I read somewhere above that Kubuntu has 5 (or more) years lts support. Only Ubuntu has 5 yrs support!
“......Support lifespan
The 'main' archive of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will be supported for 5 years until April 2023. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will be supported for 5 years for Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, and Ubuntu Core. Ubuntu Studio 18.04 will be supported for 9 months. All other flavors will be supported for 3 years....”
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
26 • @24 KDE's (by kc1di on 2019-03-19 10:08:20 GMT from United States)
Actually KDE is less resource hungry than Mate and maybe even xfce. They have done a great job over the last several releases in taming the resource needs of KDE plasma.
27 • LTS support (by Jesse on 2019-03-19 14:40:12 GMT from Canada)
@25: "Just a point of clarification as I read somewhere above that Kubuntu has 5 (or more) years lts support. Only Ubuntu has 5 yrs support!"
What I wrote was that both projects (KDE neon and Kubuntu) are based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS which receives five years of security updates. Though, as you pointed out, that is a bit ambiguous. What it means is core components of Ubuntu's child distros will get five years of support (since they share repositories), but some custom pieces or community repos might not. All parts of Kubuntu 18.04 get official support through to 2021.
28 • KDE (by Jessey on 2019-03-19 18:00:12 GMT from United States)
@27 Yah no Mark him self told the world that 18.04 will last 10 years so it can be put into the financle sector and automation sector. I don't know if this is just Ubuntu Server or all of Ubuntu. Those who say other wise do not follow Linux news. I know it just happened in 2019 so not all the hermit system admins who live under a rock have heard about it yet. Not to be rude as I live under a rock too :) .
@26 not realy KDE 5 takes up 100 MB more RAM then LXQT. How ever this was on hardware that had 3d acceleartion and modern graphics. That means that KDE 5 has reached the level of XFCE. I think that that is only if most ot the graphics options were disabled like on Kubuntu. I don't remember if Neon has them enabled or not on there distro. Even Lummina now has a second menu to replace the junk of the defualt one. We just need a real port of it to linux. There is one ppa, but that is dead like the PaleMoon PPA if not deader.
@12 Kubuntu still wants things to work for there uses. Koffice is not good yet. I have had to many crashes with it to want to figure it out just like OpenShot. Also the GUI just is not friendly for those who just want to get work done. Just like Libre office 6 it has a bad interface to the side that takes up to much space. Unlike on Libre office you can't even get it back once you minimize the thing.` Also have you used Konqueor as a web browser? The last time I did was on 14.04 with KDE 4 and it SUCKED. WE pages would crash just like they now do on Midori. Youtube would not work if you had HTML 5 and flash was a mixed bag (see the avgn episode of the CDi). I have also tried kong the dragon web browser and it was not much better. I also tried the TDE version and it also sucked.
@22 Yah they should because not every distro supports the same stuff. This is allso why the home folder option does not work when you upgrade/change distros. For example Linux Deepin supports BTFS, but Debian does not. This means you can't make your /home folder at /home on your new system. Sure you can do it after words, but you have to make a mess of your system. Sure if you use EXT 4 you should be fine. Also Ubuntu 19.04 will be out soon so then there would be more news. It would be interesting for them to do some thing else that is not Linux. For example FreeDOS is a good choice. It has a package manager now so it is not as bad as it used to be. Haiku OS is making progress unlike React OS and that project needs alot of love from FOSS users.
29 • DEs? (by nano-me on 2019-03-19 19:27:46 GMT from United Kingdom)
@10: DE's. I share your irritation at talk of Desktop Environments, and there was a time, pre-systemd, when I would embrace whethever DE came with the distro. Then I discovered the "subversive" world of alternative init systems: Epoch, Runit and now "sinit+busybox". Once free from the constraints imposed by KDE, Gnome, etc, I could use Openbox+obmenu, tint2, lx{terminal,task}. This approach works with Void and Devuan as the underlying distro.
30 • My KDE Is Very Zippy (by M.Z. on 2019-03-19 20:26:48 GMT from United States)
@3 & @24
I like both Cinnamon & KDE, but I have to point out I find the 'KDE = bloat' accusations completely unfounded. Grated all of the hardware I run is under 12 years old; however, the oldest box is still fairly long in tooth for a muti-core machine. At any rate modern KDE feels very snappy everywhere, at least if you increase the animation speed under 'System Settings > Display and Monitor > Compositor'. Move the slider up just one past the middle & everything absolutely flies. I'm not sure why moving like molasses is the default in so many places; however, I maintain that KDE Plasma 5 flies on most any recent hardware with one minor tweak.
31 • Dissing DEs (by Friar Tux on 2019-03-19 22:23:52 GMT from Canada)
@10, @29... while I understand that Linux is all about choice I do have to say, 'Come on guys, this is the twenty-first century. I think running your system through a glorified text editor, trying to remember hundreds of commands, arguments, and options is ludicrous and a waste of my time. I do use the 'glorified editor' for a few things but a good DE is well worth my time. Just because I'm not a mechanic doesn't mean I can't drive a car. Just because I'm not a pilot doesn't mean I can't fly to where I wanna go.
32 • DE's (by nano-me on 2019-03-19 23:24:48 GMT from United Kingdom)
@31 I don't understand the "hundreds of commands, arguments and options" element of your rant. I work with GUI's most of the time. I am just particular which ones I use, rather than putting up with what the KDE-corp or Gnome-corp select for me. I also prefer to start with lots of free memory so that Firefox can fill it with whatever.
I did not suggest that everyone ditch the DE's. I only pointed out that there is another way to use general-purpose distros that have not consumed Poettering's Shilling..
33 • KDE (by Bob on 2019-03-20 02:48:31 GMT from Austria)
KDE on Opensuse, no swap partition, all desktop effects disabled, works like a charm. Stopped trying out alternative DEs long time ago.
34 • Ubuntu (by penguinx64 on 2019-03-20 03:18:16 GMT from Bahrain)
Wow! Ubuntu dropped to #5 in the Distrowatch 6 month Page Hit Rankings. I remember when Ubuntu used to be #1. I switched from Ubuntu to Linux Mint a few years ago for several reasons. First, I didn't like the changes to Ubuntu's graphical interface. Second, Ubuntu does not give me the option of installing multimedia codecs or proprietary drivers out of the box. Support for older ATI video dirvers and wifi adapters are problematic with Ubuntu. And third, Mint seems to have a better selection of packages in it's repositories. But it seems like everybody and their brother is making custom distros based on Ubuntu to address these issues. Ubuntu could be more popular if they addressed these issues themselves.
35 • @29 and @31 (by pin on 2019-03-20 07:08:45 GMT from Sweden)
@31
I do have a GUI, I think you got it all wrong. Kind of what @29 tried to explain already.
I haven't been using *nix that long, maybe that's why I still remember the reason that brought me here ;)
36 • @31 Friar Tux: (by dragonmouth on 2019-03-20 12:17:10 GMT from United States)
If you've used Linux even for a little while, you should have realized by now that using a "glorified text editor, trying to remember hundreds of commands, arguments, and options" is unnecessary. Linux can be enjoyed and gainfully used without ever leaving the GUI. It is YOUR choice, not the systems.
37 • You switched from Ubuntu to Ubuntu? (by R. Cain on 2019-03-20 15:08:19 GMT from United States)
@34 --
"Wow! Ubuntu dropped to #5 in the Distrowatch 6 month Page Hit Rankings...I switched from Ubuntu to Linux Mint a few years ago..."
Linux Mint has not occupied the #1 spot on DistroWatch since 2017.
Mint has not been Distrowatch’s #1 distribution since Mint's version 17.3.
Mint has been solidly entrenched in the #3 spot for the past 1-year, 6-month, 3-month, 30-day, and 7-day accounting periods, sometimes dropping as low as #4 (*other* than right now); and at times coming within 150 points of being overtaken by Ubuntu.
In the latest 7-day rankings Mint is #4 and Ubuntu is #5.
Won't be long, now...
38 • Distro Popularity (by M.Z. on 2019-03-20 18:06:18 GMT from United States)
@34
"...Ubuntu dropped to #5..."
If you dig much into what is behind the numbers & consider things like Google search results, you get a very different picture than what you might get if you just pay attention to DW Page Hit Rankings. If you follow what is almost certainly the most popular course of action & Google 'ubuntu', you'll get no DW page in the initial results describing the distro; however, for 'manjaro' the DW page is the second Google search result.
The meaning behind this is that the most popular search engine on earth could do a lot to affect DW page hits on distros, because if the DW Ubuntu page was rarely if ever hit from Google search results & the DW Manjaro page was visited heavily from Google search results, whatever the actual install base of the two is Manjaro will look disproportionately larger. The most likely scenario is that 80-90% of potential Linux users run a Google search on a distro to do research before installing, & may click the first 2-3 search results depending on how much they want to do research & how much they want to get on with it.
At any rate, major search engine results will tell you far more about why DW Page Hit Rankings look the way they do than DW PHR tell you about actual installation & usage of individual distros. Just check all the caveats on the DW page about PHR.
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
I'd bet that Ubuntu blows away Manjaro in real world installation numbers & the DW numbers are skewed by how search engines rank the relevance of DW project pages differently for different distros. There is probably some degree of correlation to 'getting hotter in the Linux world' & DW HPR, but it isn't a great indicator or real world use.
39 • Ubuntu (by Jessica on 2019-03-20 20:29:54 GMT from United States)
@ 38 & @ 34: Makes sence to me as Ubuntu is old news at this point. They switched to Gnome and added paid. support and lied about it (hope they get sued for false advertising (mark did not mention the support was paid until 2019 4 months after his annoucment). Ubuntu has killed all interesting uses of there distro. Phones killed, Vending Machines killed, Android layer..killed, BSD killed, Unity killed. See no new projects that are interesting to the average person who goes to CES type of crowed. Also there is little news on snaps ether with the new version. No buz aroaund getting new snaps. For example would it be great if we could get simcity 3000 as a snap or sims for winex as a snap. Sure, but there is no new news like that. How about how to lanch ROM's from your menu. All Chanonicle is doing is working on stuff for there IPO. Unless they stay private that is not a good idea. Public investors suck.
Also Mint is good..but it has stalled. Wow new XFCE and Cinnamon in 18.04...I don't care if I can't run it on my PowerPC Mac's. Fern OS is interesting as it is built on LM, but is rolling. Hell want to get interesting Linux Mint...BRING BAKE KDE FOR LINUX MINT 19. Not just KDE, but TDE too. I would love to see mint Fix TDE's defualts. Hell LM for the Pie would be awesome or an more indipendent LMDE that goes indipendant from Debian but is still based on it. Hell even bring in packages from PPA's would be interesting.
@30: KDE was slower and more bloated even up to the Early KDE 5 ara. Now it is much lighter. But unless you tried the recent versions you would not know of that. Even then you have to have good hardware. On a G5 you need a good graphics card and 3d acceleration. That means a AMD GPU and on PowerPC the 3d is 100% software based so it chugs. KDE 5 is not as bad as it was, but it could get better. The fact that Kubuntu has turned off settings to make it run lighter tells you some thing when TDE, Mate, and XFCE don't have to do that. Light enough to use know which is good, but we had YEARS ok KDE 4 to get over.
40 • DEs (by Friar Tux on 2019-03-20 21:45:33 GMT from Canada)
@36 (dragonmouth) That what I was trying to say. There is no need to use a terminal these days as the GUIs are quite good. I much prefer point and click to typing out commands and such, though I am quite adept at command line stuff.
41 • At 38 popularity (by mandog on 2019-03-21 02:28:52 GMT from Peru)
I'd bet that Ubuntu blows away Manjaro in real world installation numbers & the DW numbers are skewed by how search engines rank the relevance of DW project pages differently for different distros. There is probably some degree of correlation to 'getting hotter in the Linux world' & DW HPR, but it isn't a great indicator or real world use.
You can't tell Manjaro users that Ha Ha
42 • KDE resources (by Gary W on 2019-03-21 04:08:45 GMT from Australia)
@26 I have to say, it has been a couple of years since I tried some KDE distros. They were pretty underwhelming on my low-end hardware (which is hardly surprising). I'll try again when I have better hardware, maybe Manjaro or when the new Debian is released.
43 • Kubuntu or Neon (by Rooster12 on 2019-03-21 08:23:51 GMT from United States)
Used Kubuntu years ago and really enjoyed KDE, have also tried Neon and think Kubu is just a much better distribution.
In the last five years have enjoyed window manager only distributions that are quite small with as little as possible installed regarding apps. The simpler the better.
Kubuntu will always be a favorable memory and really enjoyed it early on, not yet tried anything as close or superior. On the other hand no longer a DE person!
44 • @38, et al Re: DW Numbers (by Rev_Don on 2019-03-21 14:17:49 GMT from United States)
"I'd bet that Ubuntu blows away Manjaro in real world installation numbers & the DW numbers are skewed by how search engines rank the relevance of DW project pages differently for different distros. There is probably some degree of correlation to 'getting hotter in the Linux world' & DW HPR, but it isn't a great indicator or real world use."
Not quite, but you are on the right track.
From the DW FAQ page.
What is this "Page Hit Ranking"
It is a light-hearted way of looking at popularity of distribution. Since each distribution has its own page, we thought it would be fun to track the number of visitors viewing individual distribution pages. The Page Hit Ranking (PHR) figure represents hits per day by unique visitors; as determined by the visitor's IP address. This prevents those readers, not disciplined enough, from rigging the results by re-loading the pages multiple times. The idea is to identify which distributions attract most attention and to rank them accordingly. Admittedly, the page clicks by themselves may not always reflect the popularity correctly, but they should, over time, provide an indication about what is hot among the readers frequenting this website.
These rules have been implemented to prevent various counter reloading schemes:
Repeated page and counter reloads in short or regular intervals are not permitted.
All suspicious page hit counts will be investigated and any regularly reloaded counts will be deducted from the total count.
The repeat offender's IP address might be banned from accessing all areas of DistroWatch.
45 • Perhaps it's time to quit being part of the herd... (by R. Cain on 2019-03-21 16:18:54 GMT from United States)
@44, 41, 38, and all the rest--
We all know about the massive 'irregularities' of Google, and yet most people won't expend the effort to make an objective, conscientious, well-informed decision to change.
At the VERY least, check out DuckDuckGo's blog site at
https://spreadprivacy.com/
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Here are just a *very* few of the information-packed articles masquerading as "blogs" there...
“DuckDuckGo Testimony Before the United States Senate”
"The "Do Not Track" Setting Doesn't Stop You from Being Tracked”
"Measuring the "Filter Bubble": How Google is influencing what you click”
“Protecting Your Personal Data Has Never Been This Easy”
"How to Protect Your Privacy on Linux”
"What Does Google Know About Me?”
“How Anonymous Is DuckDuckGo?”
"How to Set Up Your Devices for Privacy Protection"
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Maybe you'd like privacy along with objectivity. The 'Manjaro' search was not biased.
46 • Ubuntu & security (by Jessica on 2019-03-21 18:14:53 GMT from United States)
Am I not interesting enought to qutote? Yes I have a big ego and a god complex and I am not afreaid to admit it. At least I don't post my face on a flag like Rodney (I dought many people will get that joke as most just watch Star Trech/Star Wars these days). I don't have any Caprica references at the moment.
Does Distrowatch hate AROS? IT is a fair question as they have only covered FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Linux. I don't think they ever Covered AROS, FreeDOS, Haiku, or any of the illumose family? I mean has any of them tried OI Hippster? I tried Solaris 11 and it was bloated. The new version does not even come with a GUI and even with an Orical account you can't get the version with Gnome 2 any more (11.3). I don't care if you can install it from the cmd on Solaris 11.4 I want it by defualt even if I have to upgrade to 11.4 from 11.3. What do they think of debian Illmose distros like Dyson and Dillos (not to be consused with the browser)? The only time they did is when it includes some thing with ZFS.
@41 Yah Ubuntu is old news. Who cares about the server stuff. Just install it and set it up. Ubuntu could change there color and logo to match Gnome 3 instead of Unity Red. Ubuntu is not interesting any more. They are not doing much work right now so they could at least put in some effort to the universe and multiverse repos. For example why is PaleMoon not in the repos of Ubu tu? It is not like it is some little browser...even then you guys have stuff like dilo so there is no excuse and yes I know none of them other then Popy from LAS even reads DW comments. So if any of the Ubuntu Podcast read distrowatch...WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING YOUR JOBS!. I means realy is it just lazy or is it because they just don't care about the desktop. For example no one has ported the conkey manger from Chatle OS or its awesome themes. That means I have to use there source are ripe them out of the ISO.
Ubuntu does not want you to use PPA's...yet they don't do any thing to make it better so you don't use PPA's! I mean realy...At least on Solus and FreeBSD if there is enough demand they will do it. FreeBSD does not even need a damand. You can just ask politely and some one will port it over if it is not much work. Now that is comitment from the community. They also help end users learn how to compile...when was the last time Chanonicle had done any thing like that or Debian? They are even will to take it further if your show promiss. Yet Ubuntu just sits on its thumbs and does not inovate on the Desktop. Ubuntu is done.
@45. Yah unless it gets in the way of getting a job most people don't care about privacy and unless I get paid I don't care if they get infected from using Winblows...now if you are willing to pay me I will change my toon real quick otherwise I will just keep going on about how Windows 10 sucks and you should just install linux on a DNS server and run Windows 7. It is not like they are going to move to Linux anyway. At the verry least we should help them stay off that OS known as FBI 10 and stay on Windows 7. If we get lucky we could get some converts once they learn the cross platform tools. Also if you hate google that much you could just use Tor and stop using there services. Insetead of using Youtube you could use Bitchute and Dailymotion. Instead of Google Search you could use Duck Duck Go or StartPage, hell even Bing. Hey Bing has not been hacked 3 times this year like Yahoo has. Avoid Yahoo unless you want SJW's doxing you. It has happened to me three times. If your going to dox some one at least do it in the day so they are not woken up. If you don't want to be doxed don't use Yahoo.
Also for Email you could ether A pay for it or B set up your own. You need to have emalil though in this day of age so you can't just not solve the issue. For video there are many options out there and it is not like people realy use Google Hang outs any more. For the texting part there are way to many options. For me I agrea with Lunduke and say just set up a local BBS or a IRC server and c all it a day. Twiter who cares about that. There is also Mansterdone and Gabe is you need "modern" social meida. I don't know any serverices for Translation that are free but there might be some thing in the repo. For Chromium just use PaleMoon. It is old enough that you dont have to deal with all this modern web stuff and you don't have DRM built in and it supports 32bit in rebuilds.
47 • Reviews (by Jesse on 2019-03-21 19:36:07 GMT from Canada)
>> "Does Distrowatch hate AROS? IT is a fair question as they have only covered FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Linux. I don't think they ever Covered AROS, FreeDOS, Haiku, or any of the illumose family? I mean has any of them tried OI Hippster?"
I have reviewed FreeDOS, Haiku multiple times, and OpenSolis/OpenIndiana multiple times. Those reviews are all available in our archives through the corresponding project's page on DistroWatch, or in our list of past articles in the sidebar of this page. I haven't covered AROS before, simply because I'd never heard of it before.
48 • Security (by EdCoolio on 2019-03-21 20:18:11 GMT from United States)
Since we are on the subject of security, I haven't really heard much about current or future protection for this Intel vulnerability "Spoiler".
Maybe I missed the updates. Any thoughts or new news?
(Intel only issue)
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-procs-again-hit-by-massive-vulnerability-called-spoler.html
49 • GUI? (by Andy Figueroa on 2019-03-22 04:01:49 GMT from United States)
@40 FriarTux, somebody has to actually know how to run a computer. That's how you got a GUI, and everything else.
50 • Page Hit Rank (by Andy Figueroa on 2019-03-22 04:04:43 GMT from United States)
I'm still trying to figure out how elementary got ranked so high. That just about invalidates the whole show.
51 • @46 Ubuntu...hmm... (by Ostrol on 2019-03-22 09:16:29 GMT from Poland)
>> Ubuntu does not want you to use PPA's...yet they don't do any thing to make it better so you don't use PPA's!
Well, looks like Ubuntu doesn't want us to use Ubuntu any more. Cannonical took the most unpopular Ubuntu-Gnome and made it the default, and dropped its interest on the desktop. Never trust a business, for it is only interested in profit.
52 • *buntus (by Jordan on 2019-03-22 17:54:38 GMT from United States)
@51 .. It used to be that Ubuntu had its kids and they were mostly *buntus. Kubuntu/Lubuntu, blah..
Now there are a number of very popular distros out there which are based on Ubuntu but call themselves everything from Elementary to Mint to Zorin.
So, if Ubuntu "doesn't want us to use Ubuntu anymore," perhaps they need to talk to a high percentage of other distro developers and users, because Ubuntu drives linux, big time.
53 • ubuntu (by Tim Dowd on 2019-03-22 19:49:26 GMT from United States)
@46 @51
Part of the reason nothing "exciting" is happening right now with Ubuntu is that nothing "exciting" is happening with the desktop computer. It's a mature technology that most people want to behave predictably and like it always has.
All this talk of Ubuntu being dead is somewhat laughable for those of us using a Ubuntu based system. Ubuntu MATE 18.10 is the single best OS I've used in my 14 years of playing with Linux. All the software is cutting edge and all of it is stable.
54 • @53: (by dragonmouth on 2019-03-22 21:13:44 GMT from United States)
"Ubuntu MATE 18.10 is the single best OS I've used in my 14 years of playing with Linux. "
I guess you're entitled to your opinion.
55 • @ 53 Ubuntu 18.10 (by OstroL on 2019-03-22 22:13:24 GMT from Poland)
Ubuntu Mate 18.10 is EOL or about to be dead. Try 19.04 daily.
Anyway, until those few one-man developers around, such as Wimpress with Mate, David with Ubuntu Budgie. Former Lubuntu developers have gone. A young chap is there with Lubuntu-Qt, but for how long? Who really cares for Ubuntu with featureless gnome shell?
No, Ubuntu is on regression, going EOL.
56 • Summary of comments: All dead, dying or very sick. (by Angel on 2019-03-24 01:16:59 GMT from Philippines)
So I want to be the oracle with the mostest soonest. Ubuntu is dead, Debian is dead, Arch is dead, Suse is dead, Red Hat is dead. Linux is dead. Log live AROS, whatever that is.
57 • @56 (by Angel on 2019-03-24 01:19:53 GMT from Philippines)
Sorry! Meant "Long live AROS." My typing skills are dead.
58 • Mind-share Vs Market-share (by M.Z. on 2019-03-24 04:48:14 GMT from United States)
@51 & @52
There is a difference between mind-share & market-share, at least in terms of the leading edge. I think Ubuntu has long had a strong market-share among Linux Desktops & the biggest place where it's coming up short is the ability to impress those searching for something new on DW. That's nothing new, but Ubuntu still has a big lead in general name recognition & almost certainly in installs. That is of course in spite of the fact that the Ubuntu team keep shooting their desktop in the foot with bad DE decisions like running modified Gnome rather than a more user friendly UI.
Google may not be a tool that has good privacy, but it is more widely used & comprehensive than most others I can think of. At any rate, I think plugging big Linux names into Google Trends is far more reveling about market share than DW HPR is, and on that count Ubuntu is like 12 times more popular than Linux Mint, which is itself 3 times more popular than Manjaro, which has a lead according to DW HPR. Also Debian is apparently searched twice as often as Linux Mint on Google search, regardless of being harder to install.
You can also play with regions & time frames & on that count DW seems to line up a bit with Google, in as much as searches for Ubuntu seem to have declined over the past five years. On the up side generic searches for Linux seem to far outpace searches for any specific distro, & Linux seems twice as popular as Ubuntu in terms of searches.
I don't think you can create too much of a detailed picture out of that info beyond this: don't read too much into DW HPR, as the page about it on DW mentions. There may be a decline in Ubuntu, but nothing else seems particularly accident either. There are a 100 other ways you could slice searches like throwing in the generic word 'mint', but regardless Linux is far bigger than Ubuntu & the trends from Google seem to reflect that.
59 • eol (by Tim on 2019-03-24 14:00:21 GMT from United States)
@55
18.10 is halfway through its supported life and has 4 months to go. 19.04 hasn't even released a beta yet, and isn't due to be released for another month. Why on earth would I switch?
I have switched into the development branch exactly twice in my 5 years of primarily using Ubuntu. I started with 15.04 a month early because I really wanted Ubuntu-MATE, and I started with my current 18.10 a month early because I found 18.04 to be buggy with my wifi driver. But in the world of Linux distros, having 6 month old desktop software is completely fine as long as you've got a stable happy kernel that doesn't crash and manages hardware well. Most distros aren't that up to date, and the peace of mind that I'm not going to get a major crash with some reconfiguration of the system is well worth it.
@54
I am entitled to my opinion, which is based on the excellent performance of the 4.18 kernel branch, the enormous number of packages available (none of which seem to have critical bugs,) and the high quality of recent updates to desktop apps like LibreOffice. Do you have any counterpoint to any of that?
60 • Ubuntu (by Vern on 2019-03-24 15:48:20 GMT from United States)
@58, @59 ! Thanks, finally some intelligent comments.
I have been using Ubuntu since its inception. The problems I have had are hardware related mostly. I had a 10 year old computer and the legacy nvidia chip no longer supported current linux OS's.
At the time, Xubuntu and Lubuntu came to the rescue. I've tried several and almost all the current crop of distributions, but keep coming back to Ubuntu. One things that stands out is the ability to upgrade the new Ubuntu ISO's using 'zsync'.
I am currently running deepOS, Ubuntu 19.04, Kubuntu 19.04. The 'disco' is still in process.
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