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| DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 791, 26 November 2018 |
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Welcome to this year's 48th issue of DistroWatch Weekly!
While we usually talk about Linux distributions, with the occasional trek into BSD Land, there are a lot of open source operating systems out there. Most of them are smaller projects, often with good ideas or interesting goals, but lower visibility compared to their Linux cousins. This week we begin with a look at the noteworthy Haiku project, which strives to make a modern version of the once-popular BeOS platform. Haiku published its first beta release earlier this year and we have details on the release below, in our Feature Story. Our Opinion Poll this week also revolves around Haiku as we would like to know if the operating system fulfills your computing needs. In our Tips and Tricks section we talk about default passwords on live media, an often annoying hurdle in trying a new operating system. Plus we talk about the Slax and Linux Kodachi projects publishing minor updates to their ISO files. We are also pleased to share the new releases of the past week and list the torrents we are seeding. We wish you all a fantastic week and happy reading!
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| Feature Story (by Jesse Smith) |
Haiku R1 Beta1
Haiku is an open source operating system and the spiritual successor to BeOS. Haiku is a single-user operating system which offers a highly responsive desktop interface and strives to be easy to use. Development of Haiku started in 2001 and the initial release came out in 2002. Development of Haiku has been gradual and the project released its first beta in September of 2018.
According to the project's release notes, Haiku requires just 256MB of memory and 3GB of disk space. The operating system includes a number of useful utilities, a virtual terminal, a system installer and a web browser (called WebPositive). Haiku's first beta also includes a new network connection tool and a different approach to package management.
By far the largest change in this release is the addition of a complete package management system. Finalized and merged during 2013 thanks to a series of contracts funded from donations, Haiku's package management system is unique in a variety of ways. Rather than keeping a database of installed files with a set of tools to manage them, Haiku packages are a special type of compressed filesystem image, which is 'mounted' upon installation (and thereafter on each boot) by the packagefs, a kernel component. This means that the /system/ hierarchy is now read-only, since it is merely an amalgamation of the presently installed packages at the system level (and the same is true for the ~/config/ hierarchy, which contains all the packages installed at the user level), ensuring that the system files themselves are incorruptible.
The download for Haiku is a compressed archive 887MB in size. Unpacking the archive gives us an ISO file that is about 1.1GB. Booting from the provided media brings up a window asking us to select our preferred language from a list. We can then launch the Haiku system installer or try the live desktop environment.
The live desktop features seven icons lined up along the top of the screen. Over in the upper-right corner of the desktop is an application menu (represented by a blue feather), a system tray and a list of open windows. The desktop seems designed to use space as efficiently as possible; the visible elements are mostly small and tucked away into the corners.
Haiku R1 Beta1 -- The application menu
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Looking over the desktop icons we find some that open the file manager, one which opens BeBook (which appears to be a developer guide), one that opens a welcome document and one that opens the user guide. The welcome document and user guide both provide some useful tips on using the desktop, installing wireless network support and the file system layout. The documentation is clear, features examples and often includes screen shots.
Installing
Haiku's system installer can be launched from the live desktop's greeter or from an icon on the desktop. The installer is very short and simple. We are asked to select the location of source packages (with the default location being the DVD). The only other thing the installer wants to know is where Haiku should be installed with available partitions being shown in a drop-down box. If no suitable partition is available we can click a button to launch DiveSetup, a graphical partition manager similar to GParted. Once we have selected an empty partition, the installer copies its files to the hard drive. The entire install process takes about 30 seconds. When it is finished, we can continue to use the live environment or restart the computer to use our new copy of Haiku.
Early impressions
The locally installed copy of Haiku boots directly to the desktop. The installed desktop is virtually identical to the live desktop, except the system installer icon has been removed. The graphical interface is amazingly responsive with new programs and windows opening almost instantly.
Something that took me a while to get used to is Haiku's windows are not entirely rectangular as on most other modern operating systems. Haiku's windows have a little tab that sticks out of the top that acts as the title bar and includes buttons to close and maximize windows. I also found maximizing a window does grow the window while avoiding covering the application menu. This feature, along with the upper window tab, means maximized windows leave empty screen space above and to the right (ie. they don't look maximized).
Haiku's application menu features options for accessing files, shutting down the computer, or browsing installed programs. There are also menu trees for accessing settings and demo programs. Each menu tree is arranged in alphabetical order without any sub-menus for categories of programs. I suspect that, over time, this will make the menus quite full and increasingly slower to navigate. However, in its default state, I found the menu tress easy to explore and most applications are clearly labelled; program names tend to match their functionality. For example, the archive manager is called Expander, the partition manager is called DriveSetup, and the addressbook is simply called People.
Hardware
I experimented with Haiku in a VirtualBox virtual machine and on my physical workstation. When I tried running Haiku on the physical machine the operating system failed to complete the boot process. The graphical splash screen would display for a few seconds, but the system would lock up prior to getting the to desktop. This happened when booting in both UEFI and legacy BIOS modes.
When running in VirtualBox, Haiku did not integrate with the host environment. I was, however, able to make use of my system's full screen resolution by adjusting the display dimensions in Haiku's Screen configuration tool. The virtual machine used a lot of my host's CPU. Even when Haiku was idle, VirtualBox was using 25% of my host's CPU resources. Running a simple application such as the resource monitor in Haiku raised that usage to 35%.
Haiku has a pleasantly small footprint, using about 350MB of RAM when sitting idle at the desktop. The operating system, once installed, used 2.7GB of disk space, which is relatively light compared to most modern Linux distributions.
Applications
Haiku comes with several applications already installed. The WebKit-based WebPositive browser is featured, along with a Mail client. There is also a simple media player, the Pe text editor, a partition manager and a disk usage monitor. There is an audio recorder, a contact manager and a very simple web server called PoorMan which allows us to share a directory over the HTTP protocol. There is an application called TV which just shows a test pattern image and, so far as I could tell, won't do anything else as the menu for channels contains no additional entries. There is an IRC client called Vision, which is a rare exception to Haiku's obvious naming scheme for applications.
Haiku R1 Beta1 -- Reading documentation in WebPositive
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If we open a virtual terminal, Haiku presents us with the Bash shell. From the shell we can use most Unix command line tools, view manual pages and connect to remote computers using OpenSSH. The GNU Compiler Collection is installed for us in case we want to build new applications.
The media player was able to handle playing audio and video files. Playback was pleasantly smooth, even in the virtual machine environment. The one issue with media playing I ran into was stopping a video and trying to restart it from the beginning would cause the player to stop working. I had to close the player and re-open it to restart a video.
Another quirk I ran into was clicking the Help menu entry in the Pe editor would open WebPositive and display Haiku's website. A more pleasant feature I enjoyed was the terminal would change the colour of the shell prompt depending on whether the previous command had completed successfully. This gave a clear indication as to whether programs were completing their work properly.
A consistent problem I kept running into was Haiku's network connection dropped every few minutes. I could get on-line, visit a web page or two, but then the connection would drop. This would cause WebPositive, or whichever application I was using, to lock-up and refuse to either continue or close. Haiku's applications do not handle losing their network connection gracefully and need to be terminated from the command line.
I tried various different network settings in the hope that using a static IP, or different DNS, or a bridged connection would solve my connection issues. However, in the end, I typically just succeeded in locking up the network manager rather than re-establishing a connection to the Internet. The only reliable solution was to reboot Haiku to bring the network connection back on-line.
Software management
Programs are added to Haiku through a desktop utility called HaikuDepot. The depot is divided into two panes. The top pane displays a list of available applications in alphabetical order. Each entry includes the program's name, an icon and a brief description. Some feature a rating out of five stars. Clicking on an application causes the bottom pane to display a detailed description and a screen shot. Once a program has been highlighted we can install it with a single click.
Haiku R1 Beta1 -- The software manager
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The depot is easy to navigate though it shows a lot of software and there is no separation of applications into different categories, as many modern software managers do. If we are looking for a specific program or an application to handle a specific task we can perform searches using key words. Searching for "office" for example, will bring up the entry for LibreOffice.
While HaikuDepot is easy to navigate, I was never able to successfully complete an installation as my network connection kept dropping. I ran into a similar problem when using the update manager, SoftwareUpdater. The update manager, which must be run manually, displays a list of available updates with a short description next to each. We can then click a button to download the waiting items. When I started using Haiku there were 31 new updates waiting. My network connection never remained stable long enough to download more than 22 of the waiting packages.
Haiku R1 Beta1 -- Software updates
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Conclusions
As you can probably tell by this point, I ran into a number of frustrating problems while using Haiku. The main ones were the network connection constantly dropping every few minutes, and the operating system failing to boot on my workstation. There were some other aspects that I wasn't thrilled about - the title bar being a tab at the top of windows looks weird and inefficient to me, but that is a matter of taste.
Having an operating system which only has one user account and doesn't require passwords is a non-starter for me. Some people may like the convenience and simplicity of having a completely open, one-user system (it does streamline things) but it wouldn't be suitable for any of my environments or devices, apart from my mobile phone.
In short, in my situation and in my environments, Haiku is not a practical option. However, there are several aspects of the operating system and its surrounding project that I think are great. Haiku has unusually clear and well organized documentation. Most open source projects could use Haiku as an example of how to make user guides. There are little details I like, for example the notes on how to set up wireless networks are available locally, on the install media. This is a minor detail, but it's unfortunate how many projects explain how to get on-line in resources which are only available on-line.
Haiku's desktop is clean, the look is consistent across applications and visual elements don't use up much space. It took me some time to get used to having the application menu and task switcher on the right side of the screen instead of the left, but I like the way the desktop is presented.
One of Haiku's best features is that it is fast and responsive. Whether the system is booting, launching programs, browsing the web or displaying a video, the desktop is highly responsive. Everything feels light and reacts almost instantly to input. This is behaviour I usually only see in super light (and minimal) Linux window managers and I really appreciated the how everything happens quickly on Haiku.
So while Haiku is not practical for me, and I'm guessing for many people, I do think there are aspects of the project which should be held up as a good way to do things in the open source community. I must also applaud Haiku's team for porting several applications, including LibreOffice, to their operating system. Haiku has a lot of its own applications, but I think many users will appreciate having ports of popular programs in the HaikuDepot.
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Hardware used in this review
My physical test equipment for this review was a desktop HP Pavilon p6 Series with the following specifications:
- Processor: Dual-core 2.8GHz AMD A4-3420 APU
- Storage: 500GB Hitachi hard drive
- Memory: 6GB of RAM
- Networking: Realtek RTL8111 wired network card
- Display: AMD Radeon HD 6410D video card
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| Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith) |
Slax and Kodachi update their download media, dual booting DragonFly BSD
The Slax distribution, a live operating system based on Debian, was recently updated to version 9.6.0. The new version was then quickly replaced by a series of minor updates over the course of the week, concluding with Slax 9.6.3. The project's leader, Tomáš Matějíček, explained the reason for the series of minor updates: "While I was repackaging ISO for the 64-bit version of Slax 9.6.1, I used Midnight Commander to extract the ISO contents. Unfortunately I forgot that there is a bug in Midnight Commander and it does not see empty directories. For that reason, the Slax 9.6.2 ISO file did not contain a /slax/changes directory, which is needed for storing persistent changes. You can fix that yourself easily by simply creating that directory. I've already pushed out version 9.6.3, which fixes this."
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The Linux Kodachi project discovered a problem with the software shipped on the distribution's 5.3 release and published new media to address the problem. Unlike the Slax project which bumped its version number for the new media, Kodachi has kept the same version number and published a new checksum on Twitter: "If you have downloaded Kodachi 5.3 before 22-Nov-2018 please re-download again because I have fixed a bug to do with Nordvpn and force traffic via VPN." The tweet includes the new checksum.
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Getting multiple operating systems to play well beside each other on the same disk, a practise known as dual booting, can be tricky. For people who want to run DragonFly BSD on the same hardware as other operating systems on an EFI-enabled computer, the DragonFly BSD Digest blog has some suggestions. "If you were looking to run DragonFly on the same disk as another operating system, Dr. Martin Ivanov has advice for you. Similarly, karu.pruun and Pierre-Alian TORET also have something on EFI booting."
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These and other news stories can be found on our Headlines page.
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| Tips and Tricks (by Jesse Smith) |
Default passwords on live media
One of the questions I see most frequently in my inbox comes from people who have downloaded new installation or live media and found themselves presented with a password prompt. Then, because the default credentials are not included on the distribution's download page or in the release notes, they e-mail me and ask: "What is the default password for <insert project name here>?" It happens fairly frequently and I think it goes to show that many open source developers are not doing a great job of anticipating their users' experiences and communicating key information. I think there are actually four small problems in evidence here:
- There is a password prompt. This usually should not happen on live media. The user should typically be signed in automatically and the screen, ideally, should not lock on a live session, unless the user requests it. If the user is being asked for a password prompt when running from a live disc, it could probably be considered a bug.
- I suspect that a prompt for an unknown password indicates that no one outside the development team is testing the operating system. If you sit a non-techie friend or family member in front of a live disc that boots to a login screen, the first thing they are likely to do is ask what the password is. This is a good sign the prompt should be skipped or the password should be published somewhere obvious. Whenever I see a password prompt on a live disc, the thought crosses my mind: "This operating system has not been subjected to outside testing."
- Related to the second point, if a password prompt is really necessary, then the default, live password should be published somewhere obvious. The release announcement and/or the download page should tell potential users how to login. Otherwise their trial is only going to last 30 seconds and then they will give up.
- Developers often make it difficult to contact them or hard to find the password on their website. People would not be looking up my e-mail address and asking me about sign in credentials for random operating systems if the information were easy to find on the project's website. This only serves to make the operating system seem less user friendly and suggests there is a lack of useful documentation.
As it happens, I usually do not know, off the top of my head, what every distribution's default password is. My memory is pretty good most days, but I have my limits. However, most default usernames and passwords for distributions' live media will be one of the following:
- <blank> (just press Enter to sign in)
- root
- toor (root spelled backwards)
- live
- <the name of the distribution> (SuperOS will probably use "superos" as their username and password)
Whenever you find yourself staring at a password prompt, unsure of what to type, I suggest trying one of the above passwords, then filing an issue with the distribution. If you are stuck that means other people are too and the developers should be made aware there is a problem so they can update their documentation or automate the login procedure.
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More tips can be found in our Tips and Tricks archive.
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Torrent Corner statistics:
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| Opinion Poll |
Does Haiku suit your needs?
In our review this week of Haiku we discussed some of the operating system's perks (such as its light, responsive desktop) and drawbacks (limited hardware support and single-user access). We would like to know what our readers think of Haiku. Does it suit your computing needs? Have you set it up on a relative's computer who just needs to browse the web and check e-mail? Let us know your impressions of Haiku in the comments.
You can see the results of our previous poll on size and frequency of package updates in last week's edition. All previous poll results can be found in our poll archives.
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Does Haiku suit your needs?
| Haiku does cover all my computing needs: | 95 (8%) |
| Haiku does not cover my needs but works for my friends/family: | 84 (7%) |
| Haiku does not cover my needs or those of my friends/family: | 535 (46%) |
| Not sure yet: | 437 (38%) |
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1 • Haiku (by brain_death on 2018-11-26 00:38:21 GMT from France)
Does Haiku cover my computing needs? Pull the other one, lol!
2 • Haiku (by Tux Raider on 2018-11-26 01:21:56 GMT from United States)
i have not used Haiku, i tried its parent operating system (BeOS) back around 1998, i will have to give Haiku a spin soon to see how development is coming along,
3 • Haiku (by MikeOh Shark on 2018-11-26 02:19:39 GMT from Czech Republic)
I tried BeOS back when they released the first free to try version. The only positive thing I found was that it supported my 28.8 parallel port Microcom modem. The documentation then was almost nonexistent.
I'm glad to see Haiku will include documentation. Unfortunately, at this late date, it will have to offer something spectacular to catch up with the Linuxes.
4 • Haiku (by Des Lawson on 2018-11-26 03:02:09 GMT from Canada)
BeOS excelled when it came to playing multiple videos simultaneously for example, compared to Windows 9x or whatever we had then. Still, we should encourage alternative approaches like Haiku nowadays, just the same. It is pity BeOS died, but IMO Haiku is strictly a research or hobbyist OS in its current incarnation. Who will keep donating the funds and and/or giving up their life, to alter this situation?
5 • Haiku (by Sherman on 2018-11-26 03:15:27 GMT from United States)
Haiku is different, its a single user OS by default because adding multiple users will break things. Its probably a R2 goal.
I find WebPositive to horribly unstable, I don't use it. QupZilla rocks.
This is a BETA, more work is to be done.
6 • Haiku (by Bob on 2018-11-26 03:22:12 GMT from Australia)
90% of what I and my friends/family do on computer is web browsing and word documents, so yes it does that quite nicely even on old hardware. (if supported)
7 • Haiku empty space... (by v2 on 2018-11-26 04:40:08 GMT from United States)
If Haiku is like Beos, when you maximize a window and then another the tabs should not overlap as much as possible filling the "empty space" so that you have a tab interface to your open applications (similar to current web browsers).
8 • HAIKU (by coss_michael on 2018-11-26 04:45:49 GMT from United States)
I must admit that Haiku has always fascinated me as a concept, but I've never been able to get the system to boot up and I've been trying each time they introduce a new version). I wonder what the secret is...
9 • Default passwords on live media (by Toor on 2018-11-26 07:13:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
"If the user is being asked for a password prompt when running from a live disc, it could probably be considered a bug."
That's true, and it is because the developers are lazy enough to not to clear the user in their copy, before creating the squashed file for the live iso. Non-system users are users created by developers that have user id more than 999. This has to be nullified before releasing the live media.
10 • Haiku & p/w (by Someguy on 2018-11-26 07:54:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
Haiku worked and installed on most of my machines. Note that Jesse has reported failures on his desktop not infrequently recently - time to revamp some of those older boxes under the bed? avoid Intel machines? Greatest attribute of Haiku is that it'll be less likely to be hacked? Maybe!
Yes, more password grief than expected. Linuxes have suffered since inception from developer over-eagerness/blindness leading to user frustration. Time for greater efforts from the inner circle to influence the perpetrators. If users cannot use, developers will never get to be famous (note I avoided the usual phraseology which includes 'rich and....').
11 • Passwords on live media (by Jeff on 2018-11-26 09:09:20 GMT from United States)
When I find a password is required to use a live distro I usually just dump it and move on to the next distro, then in the future if I'm looking for a distro to hop to I don't bother with that distro again.
There are too many distros out there to waste time on poor ones.
If they have done such poor QC that they didn't fix that then most likely the rest isn't much better.
Most developers do not care about the end user, or so it seems.
12 • Haiku (by Jon Wright on 2018-11-26 09:42:46 GMT from Hong Kong)
I appreciate reading about progress on the Haiku and ReactOS projects, and hope Haiku can get another release out the door before, say, the James Webb telescope is operational. But I wish someone other than Jesse would review these two. Predictable reports of showstoppers running on real hardware is like hearing of issues installing solar panels on the White House. Predictable, no info served.
13 • Haiku (by Alexandru on 2018-11-26 10:19:32 GMT from Romania)
Haiku has the traction, especially with recent R1B1 release.
Haiku has much to offer, really. Besides what was already said regarding its speed, light weight, straight-forward installation, configuration, update, install / uninstall of software and documentation, there are some more points.
There is no concept as "maximize window" in Haiku. Instead, the right button rather means "optimize size", which resizes the window sufficiently to show as much of its contents as possible without any scroll.
The BFS file system allows one to define and use properties for each file, which can be then used in searches. Very welcoming feature.
Different OS parts communicate with each other through the same system-wide communication protocol. This enables to expose certain application aspects to scripting API, used by "hey" command.
P.S. Haiku developers and users prefer to name the application icon "leaf", not "feather", admittedly it can be recognized as both.
14 • Haiku, passwords (by Romane on 2018-11-26 10:24:30 GMT from Australia)
Well, downloaded Haiku, and it refused to fully boot. Pulled the USB stick out after about five minutes and held the power button for that mandatory 5 seconds. Also what did boot was v e r y v e r y slow. The idea has great merit, but in application - well, more work needed.
I'm like #11 above - if I boot up on a live disc to be confronted with a login prompt, I immediately hold the power button on the PC for the mandatory 5 seconds, then reboot into my usual system. There is absolutely zero reason to have a login dialogue on a live disc. Be dashed if I am going to waste my time looking on any website for something that should not even be asked.
15 • Haiku network hardware compatibility (by Eric Hawk on 2018-11-26 12:38:58 GMT from United States)
"Driver compatibility is incomplete, and unlikely to cover all kinds of BeOS drivers. 2D graphics drivers in general work exactly the same as on R5, as do network drivers. Moreover, Haiku offers a source-level FreeBSD network driver compatibility layer, which means that it can support any network hardware that will work on FreeBSD."
16 • Passwords on live media (by Pierre on 2018-11-26 13:12:25 GMT from Australia)
this issue does usually occur when the screen_saver kicks in,
and the default password is asked - which is an unknown.
the screen_saver, is of course, set too short, and does kick in
when the installation takes too long to finalize.
- as the machine has slow / older hardware .. ..
17 • Software Tables and Slax (by cydodrone on 2018-11-26 14:23:17 GMT from Canada)
In the software tables on each distro's Distrowatch page, why not have a "default init" Package row instead of "systemd", I noticed Haiku does not use systemd, I'm curious what init it does use. I refuse to follow the herd and use anything with systemd.
Slax is a misnomer now, just a suggestion to the author, rename it to 'Dax' or 'Slaxian'?
18 • init software (by Jesse on 2018-11-26 14:40:03 GMT from Canada)
@17: "In the software tables on each distro's Distrowatch page, why not have a "default init" Package row"
We do, it's right up near the top of the feature list. The table row is called Init Software.
19 • Haiku (by Kevin on 2018-11-26 15:05:57 GMT from United States)
Haiku doesn't meet my needs. Having to choose between it meeting or not meeting my friends and family's needs prevents me from being able to anser this poll. Logic would dictate that it might meet the needs of some of my friends and/or family without meeting the needs of other friends and/or family.
20 • @18 Thank you for answering but... (by cykodrone on 2018-11-26 15:27:11 GMT from Canada)
First of all, I stand corrected, I missed it, but...from the DW Haiku page, "Init Software...other". I am just being lazy, I will dig and find the answer. :)
21 • Haiku exemplifies worst problems of Linux. (by Sanderson on 2018-11-26 15:55:52 GMT from Moldova, Republic of)
Unique. Must be learned. Little software available (yeah, not so much now).
Unfinished.
No reason to switch.
22 • Haiku and Passwords (by Friar Tux on 2018-11-26 16:35:59 GMT from Canada)
I tried Haiku. It was fast and worked quite well. My problem was NO TASKBAR and lots, and lots, and lots of menu chasing. Not very productive in my case.
Also, regarding password prompts on live media:- I do the same as Romane (#14). Hold down the power button for 5 seconds and move on. As Romane stated, there is absolutely NO reason to have a password on a live media. There are plenty of distros to test/play with so it's 'OK, time to move on'.
23 • @21 Sanderson: (by dragonmouth on 2018-11-26 19:53:59 GMT from United States)
Haiku:
"Unique"
May or may not be a problem. Depends on one's point of view.
"Must be learned"
So does every other new O/S that you want to try.
If you use Windows or OS/X and want to switch to Linux, you must learn it.
If you are using Debian and wish to use Slackware or Gentoo, you must learn them. Although all three are Linux, there are enough differences so there is a learning curve.
Whether Haiku is or is not finished is a different question altogether.
24 • @22 - NO TASKBAR (by pogo on 2018-11-26 20:12:22 GMT from Italy)
https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/deskbar.html
25 • Haiku (by Roy Davies on 2018-11-26 21:39:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
Haiku, like React OS, is best described as a work in progress, not yet ready for public consumption.
Needs a LOT more work. Not for me.
#5 refers to Haiku being Beta. Just how long can something remain in that category?
26 • Haiku (by gekxxx on 2018-11-26 22:05:19 GMT from Belgium)
Interesting project. I was reading and fot now there is no flash support. Need that to play my games on Facebook. When support comes I will try for sure.
27 • Haiku GUI (by vongrippen on 2018-11-26 22:26:38 GMT from United States)
One fantastic aspect of the Haiku GUI's use of tabs instead of full width title bars (in my opinion) is that you can move the tab's location by holding shift and dragging. It makes it so that you can effectively have you applications behave as though they are tabs in your browser.
https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/gui.html
28 • RE# 11 Passwords and live media. (by More Gee on 2018-11-27 05:00:55 GMT from United States)
I agree move on, i wasted 2 hours attempting to install Manjaro and I should have tossed it in the trash. Another thing should be the mentioned requirement that wireless setup should be on the iso and state if that the internet is required to install.
I wasted at least 10 minutes each boot for it to try and find the internet without asking. When the live cd would come up you had to manually run a batch file to connect to the internet and download the updated repository to fix all the problems with the installer. After that it did not fix the installer completely, the biggest one was not creating a boot loader properly. The install would just hang up.
When I used the installer the first time it destroyed the mbr, and err 15 the first partition by overwriting without asking and creating another swap on another drive. Don't bother dual booting or using GPT and use the installer. After I got everything back it now it error 15s on the Manjaro but the others work fine.
BTW the password is #5, the distro name. Another thing I am seeing a lot lately is the screensaver kicking in while it is installing and making you use the root password again to unlock the screen and it returns to a timed out installer, another no no in my book. You have to sit there and press a key every minute or so to keep it from crashing.
29 • Haiku for Fun (by Tran Older on 2018-11-27 06:53:12 GMT from Vietnam)
With today's hard disk capacity of 1 terabyte or more, we could have 4 OS on the same computer. Dubbed FOSSIL ( the FOSS implemented laptop), my computer would have enough room for 2 ready-for-productivity OSs and 2 hobbyist OSs, namely Linux, FreeBSD, AROS (Icaros Desktop) and Haiku. The Linux distro of choice would be rolling-release, either Manjaro or siduction, with K desktop and Tweak's Amiga icon theme. The FreeBSD choice would be GhostBSD, with Mate desktop and BeOS icon theme. Qupzilla and LibreOffice would be installed on Linux, BSD and Haiku partitions to provide a unified web-browsing-and-number-crunching experience. Klondike (and probably Wolfenstein) would be on all 4 partitions for a different type of experience. FOSSIL would have a standard sound theme "similar to" Microsoft's Dangerous Animals sound theme.
30 • Haiku (by Vytas on 2018-11-27 07:30:11 GMT from Lithuania)
I would be interested to try Haiku, but it lacks Firefox so probably not.
31 • Haiku (by Trihexagonal on 2018-11-27 20:39:02 GMT from United States)
I have Haiku Live Disks going back to Haiku R1 Alpha 3. I don't get a login screen requesting a password on it or Haiku R1 Beta booting from a USB stick. Only a screen asking what Language to use before loading the desktop on each.
The menu is available by right-click or by using the desktop icons. The number of applications has increased substantially since my Alpha version. Their browser, WebPositive, crashed before loading the full page here or I would have used it to post. I don't get web connectivity out of the box with my Alpha disk but did the Beta. All hardware appeared to be recognized on my Thinkpad W520 with Nvidia Optimus.
Does it meet my needs for a desktop OS? No, I require more out of a desktop but don't see it as difficult to use. I did have a problem getting it to boot a second time from the same USB stick or would have installed it to the HDD for a while before upgrading one of my OpenBSD boxen.
It is still in Beta stage but has moved up from Alpha so I wouldn't count Haiku out yet.
32 • If a distro doesn't make finding a password easy, toss it. (by Thrush on 2018-11-27 22:59:34 GMT from United States)
It looks like whoever puts distros together don't even care if used.
33 • Haiku (by Roger on 2018-11-27 23:24:03 GMT from Belgium)
I used BeOS in 1998 an 1999 without any problems.
Switched to Red Hat and than left Linux for some years because Windows 2000 Pro filled all my needs.
Have lately tested Haiku and don't find it ready for daily use, but I am still following it to see what it can become.
I use Linux Mint with Mate now for years and really like it, so don't think that a switch to Haiku is in the pipeline.
For my accounting I use Win 7 Pro, better support for the printers and scanners.
No Win 10, that's rubbish.
34 • Passwords (by phoenax on 2018-11-28 01:05:38 GMT from Australia)
Hi all, I for one do not consider passwords any use at all on a live distro. The second i am asked for one i immediately reset my computer, dump the wasted disk in the rubbish bin and move on.There are plenty of GOOD distros around that do not ask for passwords....Someone may be able to tell me what is the point of them on a live distro..
35 • Removing non-system users, before creating the live iso... (by Toor on 2018-11-28 08:20:09 GMT from Greece)
In chroot, do
for i in `cat /etc/passwd | awk -F":" '{print $1}'`
do
uid=`cat /etc/passwd | grep "^${i}:" | awk -F":" '{print $3}'`
[ "$uid" -gt "998" -a "$uid" -ne "65534" ] && userdel --force ${i} 2> /dev/null
done
This would remove a user with uid 999 if present, because that uid is preserved for the live cd user.
Some developers have forgotten this or too lazy to do it.
36 • ;Haiku and live passwords (by Gary on 2018-11-28 03:37:11 GMT from United States)
Looked at Haiku many moons ago. Had given up on seeing them again. Too bad they will take another many moons before they catch up with the apps software. Have run across a number of distro's over the past 12? years. Usually try to figure them out. A lot are as Jessie said above or on the website. I WILL check since I've taken the time to download it and make live copy. If not, yep, trash it and usually shy away from that distro in the future.
37 • It's ok (by Kat on 2018-11-29 04:54:00 GMT from United States)
Definitely not something that I'd use on a daily basis. GNU/Linux as a whole suffices for me. I don't see much of a use for Haiku other than hobbyist uses and niche cases. But I'm glad to see it hit beta, I've watched it for quite some time just to see how they're doing with it.
38 • Haiku > file system. (by Yuri on 2018-11-29 05:41:42 GMT from Russia)
Hi.
I heard that Haiku uses unique file system - BFS.
Please, a few words about it.
BFS support tags as in MacOS?
39 • Haiku R1B1 (by oldhw on 2018-11-29 08:38:55 GMT from United States)
Haiku runs well on my 2003 32-bit-only notebook, which has been compatible since at least A4. Hardware support, as noted, is a work in progress. Since Haiku has a 64-bit version available now, I expect hardware support will improve.
40 • Re: Haiku > file system -- Post #38 (by brain_death on 2018-11-29 20:12:38 GMT from France)
@Yuri -- Seems like a good article on BFS...
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/07/the-beos-filesystem/
b(-_-)d
41 • Haiku (by Jumpin jack flash on 2018-11-30 02:41:04 GMT from United States)
An os it is
worth my time though
the jury is out
I don't care that wsn't a true Haiku. This is a distro that proves how easily we all disconnect from mankind on OS needs, well you all at least. No one is gonna abandon Windows 10 for this buggy crap not even in a decade. Be real.
For me, its just damn ugly. If I am gonna fix my own OS bugs, my inner designer wants it to be a little more appealing, yeah yea low spec hardware and never giving up you 32-bit dinosaur, WHATEVER. Look at Apple's butcher to hell BSD, it is a ACTUAL CONTENDER of course the crappiest of them all is king by a wide margin and one reason is.... not systemd its the WAY IT LOOKS. if it looks like windows 2000 people will think it is and yes they are stupid but that's the world we have to share with them. CS majors didn't make anyone nobility now.
42 • hobby OSs (by hobbits on 2018-11-30 04:42:22 GMT from Australia)
Windows & MAC were able to generate user excitement and dev participation in the proprietary world.
Linux was able to do the same in the FOSS world..
OSs - like Haiku, ReactOS, Redox, Minix, etc - have so far been unable to generate much excitement or dev participation.in the hobby world. They need to find an angle to do so if they want to be desktop contenders..
43 • Haiku (by Nathan on 2018-11-30 14:45:54 GMT from United States)
I have enjoyed using Haiku, though since it booted for me I suppose that I got (partially) lucky with hardware compatibility. That said, I never got WiFi working perfectly and connected over ethernet instead. For me, the one dissapointment was that it didn't have audio support on the machine I used.
I am extremely grateful for the hard work the Haiku devs have put in. More FOSS options is always a good thing since variety is a win for users. I like that Haiku is a single-user system, and I would have to run as root to emulate this on a Linux or BSD installation.
The tabs on the windows could work if they allowed tabbing multiple windows Fluxbox style. Even if they didn't, the tabs don't take up more room than a normal window title bar would; they're just visually different. The only UI design choice I disagree with is the application menu. It should be much skinnier - make it a horizontal or vertical bar and it would be golden.
44 • New distro on waiting list - not cool (by TheTKS on 2018-11-30 16:17:32 GMT from United States)
I saw a new distro on the waiting list, Avouch, and went to check their website.
Parts look like a direct lift off of elementary's website, when Loki was the most recent version - going from memory. The website changed around the time of Juno's release.
I'm talking about these sections of text
- near the top, specifically "Open Source", "No Ads. No Spying.", "Safe & Secure"
- lower, "Apps You Need"
Forking an open source distro you like, to offer the same underlying distro with different DEs? OK, fine (although I don't see what they're offering to call this anything other than a vanity distro.)
But taking text from the original distro's website, being too lazy to come up with your own marketing? And they're proud to announce that, per their Nov 26 news. Not cool, and I can't take someone(s) like that seriously.
Here's a question for other commenters: if the original distro's website has changed and archived the old material, is using the original's old marketing text a copyright violation? I noticed that these guys declare copyright at the bottom of their website, but I didn't see any acknowledgement of elementary anywhere.
TKS
45 • copy&past (by SimpleSimon on 2018-11-30 19:33:47 GMT from Germany)
@44 I can't tell you about the situation with the copyright of your question. BUT it's a big difference to copy&past some headlines of functions or for example a big tutorial with about 50000 words.
46 • Avouch, Elementary, @44 (by Angel on 2018-11-30 22:28:29 GMT from Philippines)
Curiosity got me, and I went to look. Indeed Avouch's website looks like a haphazard copy of elementary's. If you look at the link below with Flash disabled, they refer to themselves as elementary in the text, and clicking on any of the "Avouch Applications" listed will take you to elementary's GitHub page for same. Whether legal or not, unless they have permission or belong to elementary, it all seems a bit sleazy.
https://avouch.org/open-source.php
Curiosity also got me to download the Plasma iso. Would not boot on Virtualbox.
47 • Haiku (by GreginNC on 2018-12-01 11:08:14 GMT from Canada)
Personally I had a decent experience using Haiku a couple years back.
I ran it on my laptop multi-booting with Win7 and Slackware.
I played with it quite a bit and the only thing I found that really bothered me was a lot of the software you could install would throw up an error dialog saying the application had crashed, but would work perfectly as long as you didn't click "ok" on the dialog, as soon as you did that the perfectly working application would close.
I had an Hp laptop and had Haiku installed to the HD and never had any issues with wireless networking on that system.
I still hold out hope for the future of Haiku especially since I will never use a system with SystemD so are sure to have to move from Linux eventually and really don't care for BSDs from what experiences I've had with them.
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