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1 • Region Specific Distro (by Rev_Don on 2018-10-08 00:55:09 GMT from United States)
The closest I come to running a Region Specific Distro is does it support American English and USA measurements, etc. since I live in the USA. Otherwise it doesn't matter to me.
2 • Region specific, whether you need it or not. (by Greg Zeng on 2018-10-08 02:12:37 GMT from Australia)
Most third-party coders have their applications in a variety of regions. So most operating systems will have very many unwanted regions in their applications.
Removing so many files: "language.ini", "language.cfg", "xxx.lng", ... is tedious. Especially when you have updated an application.
The biggest offenders are "upstream". Debian-core is used as the foundation of more operating systems than any other. But it has so many other languages include "free": Thai, India, etc. Only some of the coders of operating systems notice this.
Outside the Linux world, the foreign-language pollution is much greater. So we Linux users are generally able to avoid "foreign" languages, by comparison.
3 • region specific (by Tim on 2018-10-08 02:58:57 GMT from United States)
I think one has to be careful with calling a distro “region specific.” That should mean that it is marketed to one area, and should not mean simply that the primary developers don’t work in English. Sometimes a distro is very interesting and is worth seeking out even if one is not from its home country.
There are two I’ve previously used
1. Vine Linux, from Japan. They supported my iMac G4 for longer than most other distros.
2. Lliurex, from the Valencian government in Spain. I needed to figure out the best software for a classroom computer and their spin of Ubuntu is pretty awesome.
Any smaller distro hopefully knows its audience and what its niche is. Unless they specifically say “we’re the distro from Country X” then I’d hesitate to call them region specific. Maybe they just have a good idea that hasn’t spread yet
4 • Regions.. (by Odd Thomas on 2018-10-08 03:37:03 GMT from Australia)
Speaking of regions, I wonder how much pain future developers will have when we start colonizing other planets. "Those pesky Marsbuntu users and their 37minutes of extra day time."
5 • Region-Specific Distributions (by Wedge009 on 2018-10-08 03:46:59 GMT from Australia)
I find it interesting that Don was looking specifically for US English language and measurements as - at least in the Anglosphere - I find that US English is the dominant localisation.
As for 'foreign-language' terminology, that's a bit presumptuous as what is considered 'foreign' differs for each individual. I can only guess that Greg meant 'non-English'.
At any rate, I appreciate the multi-language and localisation that the Linux ecosystem brings. Until very recent Windows, it was 'English' (ie US English) or non-English languages that were the only options (and is still the case for a lot of applications). I suppose the down-side is all the extra fonts and other resources that may be bundled by default to accommodate non-Latin characters.
6 • You'll live with our defaults & like it (by edked on 2018-10-08 04:08:53 GMT from Canada)
"Neither seems to see any other reason why users might want to disable its use or have any control over it in general."
Gee, what a surprising attitude for Gnome developers to have.
7 • Region-specific (by mcellius on 2018-10-08 04:14:25 GMT from United States)
I live in the U.S. and use Ubuntu (with U.S. English), but I've also lived in Argentina and am bilingual, so for awhile I used Tuquito and felt very at home with it, as it was highly region-specific. (Alas, it's no longer being developed.)
I suppose there are many like me who use two or more versions of Linux so that they can work easily in whichever language they prefer (or need to use).
As for using a U.S. English version of Ubuntu, I'd feel comfortable with English English, too, but some other Englishes are difficult to understand - for me - so I stick with the U.S. version. Nevertheless, I'm glad the others are there, too.
8 • localisation (by irat-a-TUI on 2018-10-08 04:57:35 GMT from Australia)
Localised distros tend to be of good quality compared to average distros. They seem to put more effort in - like Ubunti Kylin, Greenie, Pardus.
Localisation may get even more complicated in future. When technology allows us to talk to our devices, OSes will need to cater for regional dialects as well for the devices to respond properly.
9 • Region-specific distros + Flatpak (by Brenton Horne on 2018-10-08 05:11:59 GMT from Australia)
I must admit I think most native English-speakers probably aren't interested in region-specific distros, as >95% of Linux distros have support for at least one variant of English, usually US English. For example, I'm presently using openSUSE Tumbleweed and I use it even though it doesn't support my specific variant of English (Australian), rather it just supports UK and US English, with the former being close enough for me. The only distro I've tried that had sub-par (but not zero) English support was probably Ubuntu Kylin, which I tried mostly because I liked its unique UI, but I know it's designed specifically for use by users that are fluent in Simplified Chinese, so this is hardly surprising.
Flatpak and Nix are the main cross-distro package managers I use. I use Flatpak to provide apps that are a pain to get through my package manager, like RuneScape's NXT Client and Spotify. Nix I use when apps provided by my distro have major bugs in them and I haven't got the time to fix 'em myself or file a bug report. For example, Firefox installed from Tumbleweed's repos had a bug (past-tense, this was around Firefox 61) that prevented new bookmarks from being saved when one pressed the star in the address bar. Nix's Firefox package had no such issue and was in fact updated to release Firefox 62 before Tumbleweed's was. I also use Nix as a backup for when an app's Flatpak is experiencing bugs/other issues.
10 • Region Specific Distro (by DraganF on 2018-10-08 06:53:21 GMT from Serbia)
I live in the Serbia and use Serbian GNU/Linux with Openbox.
11 • Region specific distro (by Alexandru on 2018-10-08 08:26:48 GMT from Romania)
If region specific would mean only UI localization / translation, it would be no sense in region specific distributions. Just install appropriate language pack with the OS / software you use.
However, different regions also mean different preferences, including what is considered a good default expectations, different cultural priorities, different local laws, not to speaking about availability of local support and local repositories. For example, not all existing applications are designed with right-to-left or top-to-bottom writing in mind.
On the side note, there are a few distribution, which are specific to some community, and which are just customization of some mainstream distribution. Still they make sense, because for these communities it is important that some features (i.e. filters of internet contents) to be available and turned on by default from the very install and without tedious configuration.
So, although I don't use such distributions, I see the whole point of their existence and maintenance.
12 • The opinion's poll result is wrong (by meanpt on 2018-10-08 08:32:56 GMT from Portugal)
All the native English speaking folks out there are using specific distributions geared for them. The poll should only cover non native English people users.
13 • suspend-then-hibernate (by silent on 2018-10-08 11:03:55 GMT from Hungary)
Suspend-then-hibernate is generally not only a useful but a life saving feature for absent minded notebook users. However, if the notebook is plugged into the wall outlet or for desktop users it is a bad option because it increases the probability of data corruption and it means also slower wake up. So, with all my respect to the almighty GNOME developers, sometimes users should have a choice, even if it means that the user interface is not as clean and simple as in the credo.
14 • Flatpak (by Christian on 2018-10-08 14:43:32 GMT from Brazil)
"Finally, there is a question of vetting new software. Distribution packagers usually perform some basic tests on software to confirm it does what it says it will and does not introduce security holes. Portable packages often come pre-built from upstream publishers and the end-user must trust that the package behaves as expected without the benefit of any auditing. "
Isn't Fedora Silverblue the next Fedora (30)? I might be wrong, but as far as I've understood, it only uses Flatpaks for programs. I don't think neither Fedora and Flathub will be auditing anything...
I wonder if other distros will follow the same trend.
15 • GNOME Arrogance (by Robert Thompson on 2018-10-08 18:33:55 GMT from United States)
Is there any limit to the hubris and arrogance of GNOME developers? Having a vision and executing it is admirable, but the GNOME dev's became detached from their users when G3 was being developed. Now, it's gotten so bad that they just don't even care if a "feature" causes users to suffer data loss! Will the GNOME development team ever come down out of their tower and actually listen to the needs of users again?
16 • Kodachi (by technsandiego on 2018-10-08 19:33:24 GMT from United States)
I tried installing Kodachi 3 times as a VM, which the developer recommends, but it failed every time, just leaving a blank cursor to stare at with no way to get to a command line.
I found an old 4GB USB dive in my toolkit and it installed flawlessly. It is a security users dream. It even comes with it's own VPN, but beware it is not for watching our downloading large files. They explicitly tell you upfront that if you use to much bandwidth you will be "banned indefinitely". They don't tell you how much is too much, but I like the distro and would like DistroWatch to do a through review.
It claims to be a better alternative to Tails so I'll look forward to a review in the near future.
BTW, what ever happened to Qubes O/S? It had a promising beginning but has gone dormant.
17 • QubeOS (by Sebastien on 2018-10-08 20:42:15 GMT from France)
@16
QubeOS seems to be fairly active
https://www.qubes-os.org/news/categories/
18 • Agree with #8 (by BeGo on 2018-10-09 01:45:19 GMT from Indonesia)
Still, rather than region specifics,
I like target market specific (Uberstudent for the student for example) more. :)
19 • Region specific (by erik1977 on 2018-10-09 02:57:27 GMT from Canada)
I tried MiniNo PicarOS Diego recently just for fun. I used the English option to install, but still ended up with Spanish versions of Chrome and Firefox. A minor annoyance, but I wish they would fix bugs like this because new users will have issues like this turn them away.
20 • GNOME, GNOMING, GONE (by edcoolio on 2018-10-09 06:09:57 GMT from United States)
@6 @13 @15
I couldn't agree more about GNOME.
Their repeated decisions to alienate their (decreasing) user base because of some misguided attempt to "simplify" has led me to believe that they have officially jumped the shark into Bizarro World.
Fonzie and Superman would be proud.
21 • Gnoming and Ubuntu... (by ikkamG on 2018-10-09 11:22:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
@6, 13, 15 & 20
This must be why no one is really interested in the coming up default Ubuntu Cosmic any more. Gnome appears to have killed or killing Ubuntu...
22 • gnome discussion (by Tim on 2018-10-09 12:54:00 GMT from United States)
I don't use GNOME and I enjoy other desktops more, but I think the news brief on the suspend and hibernate issue is extremely inaccurate and almost calculated to bring out the usual anti-GNOME anti systemd comments which are getting tiresome.
Click on the link and read it yourselves. The OP raised a serious concern about the behavior of the Fedora 29 beta. He liked the new feature but was worried it wasn't well enough tested to be the default behavior. The GNOME developers simply said "this seems like a systemd problem, not our problem." Both the Fedora and systemd main developers then jumped in and said that the issue was a serious concern and that this probably wasn't appropriate behavior for Fedora and systemd given the current state of development.
There was nothing arrogant or mean-spirited anywhere on the discussion. The OP had a good point and a bunch of people tried to figure out the best way to handle it.
23 • What is inaccurate about non user-adjustable settings? (by curious on 2018-10-09 13:15:57 GMT from Germany)
@22:
Apparently, the GNOME developers "added a patch to automatically use it", i.e. the suspend-to-hibernate feature.
This alone is worth criticising - regardless of whether the feature actually works well or not. Most users wouldn't want unexpected behaviour - they would want to be able to switch this feature on or off according to their use case. Automatic just doesn't cut it here.
And the final sentence quoted from the two GNOME developers in question certainly is worth debating, even if you think that debate is tiresome: "Neither seems to see any other reason why users might want to disable its use or have any control over it in general." That is the main problem with GNOME, right there: taking away user choice, because they cannot imagine that users might want such a choice. That may not be intended as "mean-spirited", but to users it certainly might appear arrogant - we know what you want better than you do yourself ...
24 • It's more like I expect from Plasma5, if not NT6x (by Hamara RAM usage on 2018-10-09 14:04:26 GMT from United States)
OTOH, Debian, is an XP-like 200 MB of RAM. Debian reminds me of good ol' XPx64 Edition.
25 • @16 and "bandwidth" for the VPN (by RJA on 2018-10-09 14:14:08 GMT from United States)
Their use of the word "bandwidth" is just another word for data quota, why don't they just straight up call it a data quota?
And the data quota appears to be secret. I would stay away...
26 • default (by Tim on 2018-10-09 16:06:23 GMT from United States)
@23
This is something I'd like control over myself- I don't necessarily agree with the GNOME developers here (and again, I don't use GNOME.)
That said, taking this discussion and making it into something sinister seems totally unfair. They're talking about a development version, the change was made transparently and the person who made the change responded immediately to the person who questioned it. From their initial response, it seems like their reaction was "this seems like a feature, why is it a problem?"
Others (including the project leaders of both Fedora and systemd) chimed in and explained why it was a problem, and then they spent the rest of the time figuring out where to fix it. The attitude of that developer didn't seem dismissive to me at all- he seemed to be saying that either systemd implements a feature correctly or it doesn't, and that if it does then this is a non-issue and if it doesn't that's a problem with systemd. Others felt that this wouldn't be obvious to a user.
This is how anything built by a group of people, in any field, from manufacturing, to tech, to marketing, to education, looks. You have disagreements and come to consensus. Judge Fedora by the product it ships anyway you want, but to see something sinister in different people trying to agree on where to fix a problem is not a helpful attitude.
27 • GNOME Arrogance (by Robert Thompson on 2018-10-09 17:43:25 GMT from United States)
Seeing "sinister" where it doesn't exist is not a helpful attitude. I cited the current issue as just the latest example of a years-long history of GNOME dev's being out of touch and unresponsive to users. Two synonyms of "arrogance" are "self-assumption" and "presumption." Take your pick.
28 • The poll question... (by tom joad on 2018-10-09 19:13:17 GMT from Romania)
I voted that I run a region specific OS. That is Cinnamon Mint in the US of A. But as I read the question I was at sea about was actually being asked.
Did it want to know if I was English or American speaking? Or was asking for a specific physical region? Or was it asking if I am running a specific specialty version of Linux?
Seems to me the results of the poll are as accurate as the question or questions are clear in asking for specific information.
This brings me to my last observation; nearly poll every poll here produces at least one response saying the question(s) is not constructed to get desired results.
Lastly, I would like to see a poll asking how many folks have set up and maintain a tor relay or bridge. And if not why not? Setting up a relay is pretty easy, for us at least. Running relay or bridge is well suited to putting some of our old equipment to good use in a valuable and a much need effort.
Just a thought.
29 • @28 (by babuschkiLinux on 2018-10-09 20:49:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
@28
Some poll agendas, do get the result, right on-If I may say it this way. Yet I agree, that some do not.
Like this for example, this weeks about: Region-specific distributions.
(I did not vote)
Also I wonder how Microhard is watching our opinion poll..
We are answering questions like brave little naive Childreen..
This is my Input, and alright,I choose mostly English Us or Uk on my
Distros, but I speak native some other language. I speak babuschki.
30 • @26 (by Angel on 2018-10-10 01:13:28 GMT from Philippines)
Relax, TIm. There will always be people here who have a need to get their panties up in a bunch over any little thing. Today it may be gnomish arrogance, or the inability of DW to ask survey questions that talk to them specifically. Tomorrow it may be that Lennard devil's encroachment on sacred Linux, or Big Brother Microsoft looking over their shoulders and trying to take away their toys.
31 • @12 or English users denied a voice (by Landor on 2018-10-10 06:23:04 GMT from Canada)
12
I'm surprised meant, well, partly.
I for one would applaud a "fully" Canadian centric approach to a distribution. I would rejoice in finding a "Canadian" developer that took the time to make a distribution that fully adhered to the needs and wants specific to Canadians.
Country or Region specific should not exclude anyone. To think otherwise is folly. As one commenter here stated that not having the Australian English language available was a definite issue, I can say the same for the Canadian version. Also, it would be a boon that searches and such returned Canadian sites or information as default. Those are just two reasons, many others come to mind.
No, English speaking users should not be excluded because they have it easy.
Keep your stick in the ice...
Landor
32 • @ 31 Canadian English user... (by P on 2018-10-10 08:43:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
Well, there should be Quebec-Canadian, BC-Canadian or Saskatchewan-Canadian English etc. Also Sikh or Chinese Canadian-English too.
33 • @32 @31 How regional? (by TheTKS on 2018-10-10 14:56:27 GMT from United States)
@32 @31 I also wish there were Canadian English localization. I would use it if it were good enough.
Canadian English is different enough from UK and US (and Oz, and Kiwi, and...) that it bugs me that I'm stuck with only US or UK (the only choice of "Canadian" English that I've ever seen was just UK relabelled.)
But it doesn't bug me enough to go do it myself, or to pay or fundraise for someone to go do it.
@31 Your " fully adhered to the needs and wants specific to Canadians" is tricky, and could probably apply to all localizations.
It's not hard to find the elements common to standard Canadian English (Englishes?) usage, and leave the offering at that. Anyone who wants regional variations can add them. I've seen Canadian French as an option, but don't know if it's acceptable to those users. Do you have to add Ojibwe, Cree and other Indigenous languages to "fully adhere"? Mind you, what labels you would give to the North American Indigenous languages is a whole other topic.
So how regional do you go? While @32's comment was flippant and missed the mark a bit, it raises a good point.
The answer to "how regional" is that offerings will be as regional as people are willing to develop and support.
Unfortunately for you and me, @31, it doesn't look like Canadian English is one of those yet.
TKS
34 • GNOME Arrogance (by Robert Thompson on 2018-10-10 18:09:13 GMT from United States)
Angel, data loss isn't a "little thing."
35 • @ 33 • @32 @31 How regional? (by pengxuin on 2018-10-10 18:50:59 GMT from New Zealand)
"Canadian English is different enough from UK and US (and Oz, and Kiwi, and...) that it bugs me that I'm stuck with only US or UK (the only choice of "Canadian" English that I've ever seen was just UK relabelled.)"
I would suggest that you try out some other distros.
My preferred distro offers (and I use) my local NZ English language (not rebranded).
It also offers the other NZ Official Language, as apparently NZ, like Canada, has 2 Official Languages.
36 • @34 (by Angel on 2018-10-11 01:56:01 GMT from Philippines)
Huh? I read the conversation, and didn't notice anyone advocating for data loss. The only quote I read here is from news quote the authors opinion. But before lighting the torches and building a stake and pyre or Gnome developers, I think one might do them the courtesy of finding out what it's all about. It seems that a command was added in systemd via Ubuntu developers. It's still experimental in Fedora. Apparently, there are serious bugs, so there is a discussion about what needs to be done in order to implement it safely, not just by Gnome. In any case, here's part of the thread:
https://lwn.net/ml/fedora-desktop/20180912192956.GA19283@gardel-login/
37 • Canadian English localization ?... (by RV on 2018-10-11 06:55:29 GMT from Romania)
As a non-native English speaker who's been accustomed to using En_US since early childhood (think early 90s MS-DOS, Win 3.11) and still only uses said localization to this day, I'm kind of intrigued by the obvious dislike that several Canadian commenters above have displayed as a result of having to cope with US English localization.
Could someone give me a few examples of day-to-day usage where US English gets in their way so much so that they feel the need for a Canadian localization of their distro of choice to come about? Thanks.
38 • Canadian English localization (by frisbee on 2018-10-11 07:40:41 GMT from Switzerland)
https://ibb.co/b0HTM9
No comment.
39 • @37 (by Angel on 2018-10-11 07:48:25 GMT from Philippines)
"Canadian English includes many terms such as "sorry", "I understand your point of view" and "we aren't planing to invade your country," which don't exist in American English." Sorry! Couldn't resist.:) Full disclosure: I'm American.
I'm also not native to English, but I've been using US English for most of my life. Ran into a little problem here in the Philippines, where dictionaries and spellcheckers were not working in office programs like Open Office. Hadn't paid attention to locale settings when installing. Changing to en_US took care of it. What's odd is that I've never seen any real difference other than some pronunciations and phrases between Filipino English (en_PH) and US English. Now if someone wanted to address all the regional languages in these islands, they would face a tough job. There are about 170 languages spoken here. Just at the local market one deals with numbers in four languages: Bisaya, Tagalog, English and Spanish.
40 • locale (by Tim on 2018-10-11 08:33:54 GMT from United States)
I like how the conversation has shifted from “region specific distro” to locale. I’m uncomfortable with the former term because I think it mixes culture and technology in a biased way. Is a distro from country x region specific because the author intended it just for people from there? Or is it region specific because the author is from country x and we’re not considering it a “full” distro because of our biases?
As far as locales go, one place where the open source community might be able to gain more of a user base whilst helping preserve minority languages would be to get in touch with the various language preservation programs different tribal governments have. It could be a real shot in the arm for some struggling languages to have people interacting with their computers in those languages.
41 • @40 (by Angel on 2018-10-11 09:28:56 GMT from Philippines)
I will disagree with you on this. Language is a tool, and it's only as useful as the scope of concepts it contains and on it's ability to adapt and to quickly add new concepts. This is where English excels, and it's why it has become lingua franca. The word for "computer" in local languages here is: computer. Just try teaching about computers in a local tribal language without using a language like English where the concepts and their words (symbols) are available, and you will be reduced to pointing and gesticulating. Localized tribal languages are of limited use, and as such limited in their ability to communicate past simple everyday acts. They grow or they die. The real world is not a museum. Well-meaning laws requiring schools to teach in local languages here in the Philippines have resulted in school graduates who speak no language well, adding greater hardships in a country where the biggest export is it's people.
42 • @25 @37 @38 Distros for localization (by TheTKS on 2018-10-11 16:38:25 GMT from United States)
@38 So it looks like Mint has localizations, at least for English. If that English really is my variety and not just UK relabelled, and "Apply system-wide" really works, I'll have to give Mint a spin. I've looked at Mint and moved on to others (I've got nothing against it, just others appealed more), but this could be the one thing that gets me to install it.
@37 I can't speak for others, and I'll stick to language localization only. You asked about differences between Canadian and US English . Just two examples: we use "z" where the US does, and "our" where the UK does. So we write localization, not localisation, and colour, not color.
That might sound trivial, but try writing or editing a document that highlights your "incorrect" spelling, or where autocorrect and manual language inspection tools constantly pester you with the wrong corrections. If I turn the automatic tools off and don't use the manual tool, then I'm stuck with the analogue (or is that analog?) option, pencil and paper. It's not a huge problem for me, but it's a big irritant if you do a lot of writing or editing.
I would guess English isn't the only language with more than one standard variant, where language localization would make people's lives easier.
@35 Which is the distro that includez NZ locazlization? LinuxLite, maybe?
TKS
43 • GNOME Arrogance (by Robert Thompson on 2018-10-11 18:46:47 GMT from United States)
Angel, you apparently didn't even read the concerns of Kamil Paral and Adam Williamson. The Red Herring was uncalled for.
44 • Non Gnome Arragance (by mandog on 2018-10-11 21:28:26 GMT from Peru)
15 • GNOME Arrogance (by Robert Thompson on 2018-10-08 18:33:55 GMT from United States)
Is there any limit to the hubris and arrogance of GNOME developers? Having a vision and executing it is admirable, but the GNOME dev's became detached from their users when G3 was being developed. Now, it's gotten so bad that they just don't even care if a "feature" causes users to suffer data loss! Will the GNOME development team ever come down out of their tower and actually listen to the needs of users again?
You have the choice in power setting "Automatic suspent default is OFF" if you turn it on use the get the choice of how long "default is 1hr"
You also have a choice "when the power button is pressed" Nothing, Shutdown, Suspend.
I'm a Gnome 3 user I can comment
A non Gnome user can at the most speculate, at the least talk out of their Ass.
45 • Non Gnome Arragance (by mandog on 2018-10-11 21:46:14 GMT from Peru)
Just to carry on about suspend if I use suspend from the power button it suspends as asked when the button is pressed again everything has been saved as i expected it to do. the desktop also wakes up as fast as the monitor wakes up.
I don't have a swap partition so it suspends to ram.
So suspend means the old word hibanate but in a modern way.
46 • @ 43, 44 (by Angel on 2018-10-12 00:54:41 GMT from Philippines)
Good grief! Gnome did not add any "features." The feature was added in systemd, and has been put to use in Fedora Rawhide, for developers and advanced users only. Gnome developers made it possible to use this "feature" from the desktop, but only when and if it is made available by a particular distro. No one is forcing the distro maintainers to use this. Kamil Paral writes that he loves the feature, but asks if it will be made configurable on the desktop by Gnome, mentioning that there are cases where "hibernate" should not be used. (Yes, possible loss of data.) Adamson writes that considering his use of PCs, he's rather not hibernate. The two Gnome devs reply that it is up to systemd to make it configurable, and that if this "feature" is buggy, as it appears to be, it should not be made available, choice up to the distro. Lennart Poettering (Mr. systemd himself) acknowledges that the "feature is buggy as hell and not really usable as it stands, and offers some possible ways forward. That is why I included his post. The whole thread is available on that same page, just takes an extra click to go to the top. No herrings of any color. But rather than keep explaining what people wrote or forcing them into an extra click so they can see the thread from the beginning, here's a link to that so any interested parties can get it from the source:
https://tinyurl.com/ybo3sjeo
In fact, I have used Gnome desktop for several years. I recently switched to KDE. I find it suits me better. If I can switch, so can others. If some have such animus toward the Gnome developers, why not switch? It's like staying married to a person you hate. I suppose there will be howling when they see some things being done to Gnome 3.32.
47 • Region-specific distributions (by arelatensis on 2018-10-12 01:57:32 GMT from Russia)
Many years ago I used Russian Fedora Remix because I had very bad internet connection, and RFR included out of the box some packeges i. e. codecs that were lack in original Fedora. Now I have a speed internet and it does not matter. I don't run region-specific distro because
1 There isn't any distro that support my language so it does no matter if I would run region-spesific or not specific one.
2 It is bad idea to run russian-specific distro in my area for russian language is marginalized as colonial.
48 • Region Specific? (by penguinx64 on 2018-10-12 04:05:28 GMT from Bahrain)
I've lived outside the US for 15 years. I've lived in Europe, Asia and the Middle East. The option for local language support has always been there when I install Ubuntu and Debian based distros. But I can't read languages like Arabic or Chinese. When I go to www.google.com, I want it to say 'Google' instead of جوجل or 谷歌, damn it!
49 • Turkey and not use Region Specific Distro (by Pantera Pardus Tulliana on 2018-10-12 04:32:23 GMT from Turkey)
I am from Turkey and I don`t use a region specific distro because if I see an error message in Turkish, I can't find on the internet. And Pardus in Turkey, based on debian, so there is no advantages on Debian. There were some projects usefull for System Admins but I am an individual user. Only the Zemberek the Turkish spell checker missing.
50 • @48 Region specific of Google (by Ikkam on 2018-10-12 06:47:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
"But I can't read languages like Arabic or Chinese. When I go to www.google.com, I want it to say 'Google' instead of جوجل or 谷歌, damn it!"
That's pretty good of Google to be region specific!
If you want to search in another language or region, you can always go to right hand bottom corner and open settings > region settings and change the region.
51 • @42 (by frisbee on 2018-10-12 14:54:49 GMT from Switzerland)
No sympathy for your problem. Je me souviens...
52 • @ 50 & region specific (by jaky on 2018-10-12 16:49:15 GMT from France)
Even if what your suggestion will work (it doesn't) it refers to the browser, not the distribution!
Me, I hate region specific (aka automatic location) in both distribution & browser. I feel like I'm in the crossfire of a remote-controlled missile and fail to understand what is the useful purpose (other then targeting me).
53 • @52 Region specific (by Pierre on 2018-10-12 17:29:38 GMT from France)
The guy @48 was talking about the browser, Google. And, you can change the region to anywhere you want in Google. Your "hate" is of no matter!
54 • @51 Who's asking for sympathy? I'm looking for tools (by TheTKS on 2018-10-12 21:29:26 GMT from United States)
@51 I wasn't asking for sympathy. Somebody asked about differences, I gave examples and explained. If what you pointed to in @38 is a solution, I'll thank you for it.
As for your "Je me souviens", you've taken the discussion way off track, but since you have.. my origins aren't in either side, nor in the people who were here before either of them (who I would say have a right to feel even more aggrieved,) nor were my ancestors here when it happened (they were busy being colonized by someone else at the time.) Nor can I change those events. If that's where you come from, then remember and memorialize if you like, either wallow in it or move on as suits you best. No sympathy from me for those who can say "Je me souviens", just a willingness to live and work with whoever among them is willing to do the same.
Back to localization and how regional, I noticed yesterday that KDE4 language tools have not only Catalan, but also Catalan (Valencian.) That's getting really local.
TKS
55 • @54 and others, locales (by Angel on 2018-10-13 02:21:30 GMT from Philippines)
If you are running any of the major distros or derivatives, all locales are available on their servers. This is really not the proper forum for asking that kind of advice. You should go to the support sites (forums, wikis, etc.) for your distro, or just google what you want. (Ex: google "generate, adjust change locales Ubuntu" This should cover Linux Mint and others Ubuntu based.)
To generate all locales in Ubuntu: (For other distros, go to their support pages.)
sudo locale-gen -a
If you just want New Zealand Maori:
sudo locale-gen mi_NZ.UTF-8
Or, to keep messages and such in US English:
sudo locale-gen mi_NZ.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=POSIX
To change to your chosen locale:
update-locale LANG=mi_NZ.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=POSIX
Don't worry. Be happy.:)
56 • @54 and other, locales, forgot (by Angel on 2018-10-13 02:24:50 GMT from Philippines)
You will need to log out and back in before the change takes effect.
57 • GNOME Arrogance (by Robert Thompson on 2018-10-13 03:38:21 GMT from United States)
From Phoronix, relating to the GNOME 3.31.1 release: "One other notable change is GNOME Settings Daemon has dropped the 'suspend and hibernate' option. They did this because of hibernation often being problematic for Linux systems and other complications."
Maybe Linus' "empathy retreat" has served as an example to GNOME developers, after all.
58 • Suspend then hibernate (by Angel on 2018-10-13 05:01:08 GMT from Philippines)
One step forward for ignorance. One step backward for Linux. No good deed goes unpunished. Gnome devs are beaten and retreat to their cave. So if you put your laptop to sleep and don't wake it up or plug in before the battery drains, you will have: (What is that unwanted result again?) Oh yes, data loss. Just like old times. Gimme that old time religion.
Still, for those who don't mind tinkering and have hardware that will support it, the feature is still there, hiding in systemd. Here is how to enable it in Ubuntu. For Arch and others, it can be looked up.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/12383/how-to-go-automatically-from-suspend-into-hibernate
59 • Gnome arrogance (by jaws222 on 2018-10-13 14:30:03 GMT from United States)
WOW! Kinda been out of the loop regarding Gnome, haven't used it in ages. Is it getting worse?
60 • @59 (by babischkiLinux on 2018-10-13 15:22:54 GMT from United Kingdom)
Depending on the perception. We will see.
I do not like it as of now I am responding, but, who knows..Am I using GNOME_-?
61 • Flatpak and Snap (by Friar Tux on 2018-10-13 17:45:41 GMT from Canada)
I read the article on the benefits (or lack of) using Flatpak/Snap or using the actual programme. Whenever I can, I use the actual programme as opposed to the as I have repeatedly found that the Flatpak/Snap versions have too many issues and are not as good. Some are not as feature-rich as the actual programme. The most recent example, for me, was the 'Characters' Character Map app. The Flatpak version was quite limited and only showed a few font characters. When I installed the programme version, I was amazed at how much more it provided even though it was a bit older.
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