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1 • Computers running Ubuntu. And Linux? (by sofiasmith on 2018-06-25 00:36:01 GMT from Spain) |
Very interesting this week Questions and Answers, Jesse.
And my question is. If there are between 20 and 60 million computers running Ubuntu. How many computers run Linux and BSD (approximately and estimated) counting servers, desktops and laptops?
2 • Openbox (by Barnabyh on 2018-06-25 00:36:08 GMT from Germany)
Openbox is the better GNOME Shell. Distraction-free computing. I only run window managers if I can help it.
3 • BunsenLabs Helium install from the Live USB/DVD. (by Renato ZX on 2018-06-25 00:48:18 GMT from Brazil)
You can start the installer of the Live USB/DVD of BunsenLabs GNU/Linux by right click and select the install option. no need to reboot.
4 • My mistake, you can't start the install from the Live Media. (by Renato ZX on 2018-06-25 01:04:14 GMT from Brazil)
My mistake, you can't start the install from the Live Media. i confused with other Distro.
5 • Bunsenlabs (by greenpossum on 2018-06-25 02:17:44 GMT from Australia)
I've got a soft spot for CB, it powered my netbook for many years. Currently it's running AntiX which is also great. But the hardware is hinting that it wants to retire so the release of openSUSE for the old Samsung ARM based Chromebook is timely as that is losing Chrome OS updates soon. Linux is an old computer's best friend.
6 • Crunchbang / FreeBSD (by Ricky Thomson on 2018-06-25 03:24:38 GMT from Netherlands)
Man, do i miss Crunchbang. This was one of the first linux distros i had been running years back, after initially discovering Ubuntu. Nice to see it's still alive in some form and the community started Bunsenlabs in the aftermath. I had not known about that until reading this!
Also, happy Birthday FreeBSD. If it weren't for Slackware, i'd be using FreeBSD on my desktop for all things. Any chance of a review of the latest FreeBSD release on distrowatch in the near future?
7 • Openbox and Xorg (by bison on 2018-06-25 03:49:39 GMT from United States)
> there is the worrying fact that Openbox doesn't work under Wayland, which is getting ever closer to replacing Xorg.
That doesn't really happen until support runs out on all versions of RHEL that use Xorg, which is quite a few years away.
8 • Waybox (by vern on 2018-06-25 13:52:06 GMT from United States)
#7 Hopefully an answer to Wayland and the fate of Openbox is Waybox:
9 • FreeBSD (by rdaniels on 2018-06-25 15:51:08 GMT from United States)
I do not currently use FreeBSD in any form that I am aware of. I have in the past used FreeBSD, PC-BSD (now TrueOS), OpenBSD, and Dragonfly on my desktop, but I always run into some shortcoming or another in BSD land and come back to Linux. PC-BSD lasted longest for me, at about 6 months. None of the rest even came close.
10 • 'Using FreeBSD in its many forms' (by R. Cain on 2018-06-25 17:35:35 GMT from United States)
I have been a fan of FreeBSD ever since discovering Dru Lavigne's outstanding and highly-readable books on the subject, but have never tried it (I have seen some videos of Ms. Lavigne's presentations--this is one VERY knowledgeable person and a highly-capable 'presenter').
With the advent of all the damage being done to Linux by the adoption by most Linux distros of the 'systemd' initialization software, I am downloading, now, the 'almost latest-greatest' FreeBSD: version 10.4--the fifth version of the FreeBSD 10 series (I'll wait until version 11.1 gets a few more miles on it; I like software to be at least of the "point-two" variety).
I think it would be a good idea to have another (good) 'systemd-free' OS option, in addition to the excellent Linux MX-17.1 distribution.
Hopefully, before the week is out, I'll be able to check the box on your poll labeled "I run FreeBSD at home or work.
11 • Counting *buntus (by cykodrone on 2018-06-25 18:15:07 GMT from Canada)
I ran some *buntus for a while back in the day, but when they caught enabling spyware by default and embracing systemd (because Debian did), I had to switch. I have zero tolerance for nonsense now.
12 • Computers running Ubuntu, Linux and BSD? (by some random user on 2018-06-25 18:37:36 GMT from United States)
@1 Not including the paragraph that starts of with "Over the years Canonical has tried to get some rough estimates" and an OS with BSD parts (macOS - comes to mind), I guess the same answer above.
So: One of the benefits of running BSD is that it is nearly impossible to get an accurate count of the users of any one distribution.. (And the part as to why, nearly impossible).
13 • Opinion Poll (by some random user on 2018-06-25 18:38:24 GMT from United States)
I selected, "I used an OS with FreeBSD parts (PlayStation/macOS)"
14 • FreeBSD (by Jesssi on 2018-06-25 19:06:04 GMT from United States)
I would Use FreeBSD more if it were easy for a Noob who uses Linux Mint to compile Packages for Debian/BSD. Yes I am one of the view DebianBSD users. I loved having the FreeBSD Kernel and a Linux Base. IF only they made a "for dummies" guide for normal people. it is not like I am stupid as I work in the ITS field.
15 • FreeBSD (by Trihexagonal on 2018-06-25 23:28:08 GMT from United States)
I currently run FreeBSD on 5 laptops, one of which serves as my dedicated .mp3 player, and have a beginners tutorial on how to set up a FreeBSD desktop from scratch using ports for 3rd party programs on my site.
16 • How many computers run Linux? (by Guido on 2018-06-26 07:36:51 GMT from Philippines)
@1 @12 May you find an answer here: https://www.linuxcounter.net/
17 • @ Jesse - Make it easier to update (by Frisbee on 2018-06-26 10:09:34 GMT from Switzerland)
"The only thing I haven't quite figured out is how to make it easier to update the system."
There should be one utility visible in Synaptic, called:
I didn't check if it's still there but, that's what I used in Crunchbang / Wheezy times.
18 • FreeBSD (by CS on 2018-06-26 15:22:43 GMT from United States)
Stopped using FreeBSD when they struggled so long to make the jump to SMP back in the 5.X days, jumped ship to Linux and haven't touched FreeBSD since.
19 • NONE OF THE ABOVE (by Willie Buck Merle on 2018-06-26 18:43:09 GMT from United States)
Nowadays, if you can't slap BSD on a system and do something useful with it right-off-the-bat like Ubuntu its a FAIL so move on.
ps. Last issue I saw the anti-systemd fanatics totally/slowly skew the polling results without the DW editors even saying that was happening after those first 5 days when most peeps came out saying they were FOR systemd... that aint journalism JS.
20 • Privacy means not knowing. (by Sley ton on 2018-06-26 19:25:55 GMT from United States)
I have a problem with trying to figure out how many users use a certain OS. Its none of our business, and violates user's privacy. If a user chooses Ubuntu, what business is it of ours to know? Even if the data is anonymous, and it isn't, it is still wrong.
21 • BSD (by Bright Sunflowery Display on 2018-06-26 22:43:13 GMT from Australia)
BSDs have the best screen-display of all OSs - bright, clear, easy on the eye. It always feels good booting into a BSD desktop. But the ecosystem of apps and drivers doesn't get worked on as much as with Linux. So Linux is a more useful OS.
Frenzy was a good live utility BSD, but it only lasted a couple of years. Shame.
22 • Realistic Privacy (by M.Z. on 2018-06-26 22:44:49 GMT from United States)
How then do you justify the US constitution both establishing a right to privacy & a mandate to count the population via the census? I mean knowing somebody exists could violate the right to privacy by your logic, right? Why not talk about ensuring there are reasonable privacy expectations that make sure individuals have the right not to be tracked, rather than claiming that we should ignore all information about everyone. The world has never been that way since the dawn of recorded history & that isn't going to change. Many of us do on the other hand have expectations about privacy behind closed doors & should create reasonable privacy expectations for what happens online.
23 • How many installs. How much help. (by vern on 2018-06-27 00:12:53 GMT from United States)
I have no idea about how many Ubuntu installs there are or how many grains of rice there is in the world. What I do know, is at any given time there can be over 25,000 user online at the Ubuntu forums.
That has a telling reference point.
You have a problem with Mint, Ubuntu is there to help. They do shy away from Windows questions.
Counter that with one of my newest lovable distros: SparkyLinux, and its a ghost town!
24 • FreeBSD (by R. Cain on 2018-06-27 00:58:25 GMT from United States)
...still on track to install FreeBSD 10.4. 10.4 has been downloaded, and am in the process of RTFM (Reading The utterlyFantastic Manual), as I’m not not gifted enough to simply “...slap BSD [without a graphic installer] on a system and do something useful with it right-off-the-bat like Ubuntu...”; like, maybe, surfing Facebook with Ubuntu?
There is one slight problem with any UNIX, which tends to weed out the hacks from those who understand, or sincerely WANT to understand, operating systems: you have to actually THINK. Bummer, huh?
[from Dru Lavigne, in bsdmag dot org: “...We are now starting to see a lot of long-time Linux users who are looking for an alternative to systemd, and who are curious about ZFS...”]
ps. last issue i saw the systemd fanatics totally stuffing the ballot box during the first two days of the polling results skewing the polling results without the DW editors even saying that was happening then the rest of the readers responded and showed what the majority of the readership really feels and so the anti-systemd fanatics skewed the results and totally gamed the system...that aint journalism JS
“Too often...we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."--John F. Kennedy
25 • freebsd (by alotov on 2018-06-27 10:12:54 GMT from United Kingdom)
I am not impressed with freebsd. Has trouble with linux filesystems and sd-cards. The irony is that it works ok with windows filesystems. For the filesystem reason it makes freebsd seem like a proprietory OS; as just like a proprietory OS it has trouble with other non-native filesystems. I have it on my desktop and laptop, but for the reasons mentioned I rarely use it, and therefore its going to be removed.
26 • Realistic Privacy (by lancre on 2018-06-27 13:31:35 GMT from United States)
WHO runs a specific OS is a private issue. HOW MANY is not. It's useful for both HW and SW development.
27 • @22 M.Z. (by dragonmouth on 2018-06-27 16:41:22 GMT from United States)
"reasonable privacy expectations"
Unfortunately that phrase is open to a very wide range of interpretations. What the governments consider "reasonable privacy expectations" for their citizens, many people would consider oppressive Big Brother-type surveillance. With today's technology even the privacy of a private home can be easily invaded. For some reason, living in a Faraday Cage inside a concrete blockhouse does not exactly appeal to me.
28 • Realistic Privacy (by M.Z. on 2018-06-27 19:57:01 GMT from United States)
Yeah, so it would be good to get an OS count & not match general info to specific IP or MAC addresses. That would seem reasonable & realistic to me.
That's why people should define reasonable and if they can vote then do so accordingly. The world has definitely moved too far in the direction of surveillance, but pretending that there is no valid reason to know anything isn't realistic. I'm happy to let every website I visit know that I'm running Linux & that users of my OS exist; however, I strongly dislike the creation of massive databases that profile millions of users & track all their online activity regardless of whether it's done by governments or private companies.
29 • Expectations in Real World. (by Don Dbushy on 2018-06-28 03:00:49 GMT from Canada)
I need little help to understand traces of following linux processes.
Anyone with inner-sight is welcomed.
D-BUS provides one-to-one communication bridge between applications. Multiple programs that connect to the message bus called dbus-daemon can exchange messages with one another.
dbus-daemon --> anon_inode:[eventpolling]
dbus-daemon --> socket:[xxxxx]
dbus-daemon --> anon_inode:inotify
dbus-daemon --> socket:[xxxxx]
Does dbus-daemon really needs access to the sockets? Think twice before replying.
There so many to list... this is JUST one out of many.
This reminds me the analogy between Free World of Linux, FOSS, and free cup of tea served to me in Soth East Asian small town.
When I noticed a fly floating on tea, I notify it to concerned that there is a fly in my cup of tea.
The Reply was "What do you expect in FREE cup of tea, cream on the top?
Rest to be understood.
30 • BSD & Linux similarities (by John Goodman on 2018-06-28 05:38:01 GMT from Australia)
It's funny how the BSD ecosystem is in some ways becoming similar to Linux:
* FreeBSD is like Debian, in that it is the basis for a number of other BSD distros
* Now PCBSD, or TrueOS, (known as the 'graphical FreeBSD') wants to become "a cutting-edge ... fresh, innovative ... core-centric operating system that is modular, functional, and perfect for do-it-yourselfers and advanced users alike". Other BSDs - like Trident and Ghost - will build off of it. This sounds like TrueOS's role will be like a Ubuntu or a Fedora.
31 • BSD and LINUX Similarities (by Don Dbushy on 2018-06-28 06:01:38 GMT from Canada)
@ # BSD and Linux similarities
BSD and Linux has to be similar look-a-like twins because both were originated from same grand-pa like Adam in the The Bible.
"* FreeBSD is like Debian, in that it is the basis for a number of other BSD distros"
While counting the numbers, your just forget to mention GooD or BaD!!!
"* Now PCBSD, or TrueOS, (known as the 'graphical FreeBSD') wants to become "a cutting-edge ... "
It is more important that at least developers know which edge they are cutting in delivering cutting-edge technology or tools. Smart users will find their way out.
It seems like plan-B, just in case Linux fails to achieve desired goals.
In fact, nobody, neither developers nor users have any clues or any foresight.
Anyway it keeps rolling, rolling and rolling, as if,
in spite of knowing, I have been a long time user of BSD and Linux.
It does not matter much as long as it keeps rolling.
32 • I tried to use FreeBSD (by Vytautas on 2018-06-28 07:50:08 GMT from Lithuania)
I tried to use FreeBSD, but faced lots of trouble with my card reader so I continued with Linux. It was not simply nonfunctional, but stirred things up and others suggested to disconnect it completely. Maybe I should give another try for more recent version.
33 • What? (by Dave on 2018-06-28 10:48:33 GMT from United States)
"I am hoping to give the laptop to someone who isn't particularly tech savvy..."
So you are going to give them a laptop, preloaded with an OS that even you cannot figure out how to update? Makes perfect sense to me.
34 • Ubuntu Count (by Dave on 2018-06-28 11:05:23 GMT from United States)
Seriously, who cares?
Look at the trending distros... see who is #1? It's Manjaro, an Arch-based distribution. Why do you suppose that is? I know why I switched to Manjaro. I got tired of Ubuntu mucking things up, and the same old things that for years, have not worked on completion of install (hello bluetooth? I'm looking at you).
Plus, I like that Manjaro aren't fan-boys like Ubuntu users are. Granted, there are a lot of helpful Ubuntu users out there, but many new Ubuntu users who once get the hang of things suddenly become worse fan boys than the Apple users that they rail against, and start using those words like "Winblows and so on." Many of you know what I mean, you've seen it too, and you stay silent, you don't call out this misconduct, you're as complicit by your silence.
I left the dark side, I switched to a Mac, love it, but don't fan boy obsess over it, and on my HP I dumped Ubuntu in favor of Manjaro, not because of the fan boys, but because I got tired of a crappy OS (Ubuntu) in favor of an OS that was better put together and actually worked without an excessive amount of tweaking in order to make it work.
Sure, installing from git and tarballs is a time consuming process, but it gives me a feeling of satisfaction that "I did it," and that I am not downloading and insalling some pre-packaged deb with extras that I don't need for my install.
Ubuntu. Great server, poor desktop.
35 • BSD Poll (by Andy Figueroa on 2018-06-28 16:50:22 GMT from United States)
I can't imagine the BSD poll provides meaningful results, given the very low numbers.
36 • FreeBSD (by R. Cain on 2018-06-29 02:34:56 GMT from United States)
*Which* very low numbers are you talking about?
I'm no statistician. A very quick mental addition says that there are about 1500 respondents to date 28 June). A similar quick summation says 1900 total respondents for last week's poll. Seems to me to be an informative instrument.
37 • you have chosen, poorly. (by gabe on 2018-06-29 08:37:50 GMT from Norway)
@34 • Ubuntu Count
"Look at the trending distros... see who is #1? It's Manjaro"
This doesn't mean users, it means clicks. Clicks can be anything from a Mac user curious about distros, the distro's users and/or devs and joe random. A good try, though. ^_^
38 • A Better Approach IMHO (by gplcoder on 2018-06-29 13:07:02 GMT from United States)
@37 - I agree. For a while now, I have taken an alternate approach which I believe reflects a more realistic result. I stared using 'Average Rating' but then realized that this was not balanced as it included distros with very low number of reviews (like the current #1, SalentOS). I then modified this to 'Most Ratings' which no longer puts the list in 'average rating' order but one just has to look down the list for the combination of lots of reviews and high rating. Using this strategy, MX Linux has the highest rating (followed by Arch and then deepin) along with the largest number of reviews.
39 • quite a ways past "poor" choice (by Willie Buck Merle on 2018-06-29 14:45:50 GMT from United States)
One can surmise, by now, that an unbiased machine could approximate the number of which OS and its particular species that are used for workstation-server-IoT around the globe. Within a credible bound that can withstand scrutiny by several other unbiased machines.
Unfortunately, if not for human tampering and/or dogma we couldn't trust its findings by the time it was presented to us in some web magazine biased towards glossing some in that group for its own prerogatives. So goes the oxymoron FOSS journalism nowadays.
ps. Many of the polls and statistics are suspect here, merely google "distrowatch bias" to look into that. Better yet, just study them yourselves for construction and criteria each time they come out and follow the commenting.
40 • gumby smells funny (by Stands With A Floppy on 2018-06-29 22:11:23 GMT from Romania)
"ps. Many of the polls and statistics are suspect here"
It's not simply one site, it's most/all of them. Anytime you have polls you should remember that they are A) For Fun, and B) susceptible to error. How about those talent shows which have you call in to vote for who you feel is the better performer of some skill/talent? Of course many of them say you can vote X amount of times instead of 1 per individual, but yet people are grabbing as many phones as they can and calling in, even exploiting online number spoofing to call in for dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of votes by the same individual.
I mean, a lot of people still think user agent tracking is actually a good way to count Operating System users when in fact many people spoof them as Windows (like Tor Browser Bundle does), GoogleBot, or whatever.
I enjoy Distrowatch for many reasons. I especially appreciate the people who work behind the scenes to continue to provide such a wonderful resource to us - for free!
41 • polls (by lancre on 2018-06-29 23:29:32 GMT from United States)
Any self selected poll sample is inherently unreliable. Both fanbois and haters are more motivated than the average person.
42 • @ # 40 • gumby smells funny (by Spoofy McSpoofferman on 2018-06-30 19:12:57 GMT from Canada)
@ # 40 • gumby smells funny
"I mean, a lot of people still think user agent tracking is actually a good way to count Operating System users when in fact many people spoof them as Windows (like Tor Browser Bundle does), GoogleBot, or whatever."
With spoofed browsers, spoofed IPs, hacked routers, hacked Wifi, hacked VPN, hacked tor where tor does not identify itself as "Tor" but as "Thor". Furthermore Operating Systems which seems to be operative is NOT operating at all, vice versa. But, still we are collecting tons of garbages, keep the problems on going, keep the money flowing. but we maintain uniformity every time to turn fake scenario feel like reality.
Once I took my sweet-heart for the shopping at Gioielleria Eredi Jovon in Venice, After shopping when I was asked "What are you doing?". I simply told the truth that honey, I am searching you in Toronto Canada. The Reply was "You are so stupid! you know that". I smirked and replied very politely "may be!"
43 • Counting (by Jesse on 2018-06-30 21:26:34 GMT from Canada)
>> "And my question is. If there are between 20 and 60 million computers running Ubuntu. How many computers run Linux and BSD (approximately and estimated) counting servers, desktops and laptops?"
The 20-60 million is probably Ubuntu Desktop systems, not including servers. If you include desktops, servers, etc for all Linux and BSD flavours you're probably looking at hundreds of millions, or more, systems. Data centres can get pretty big and Linux is often running one layer or another.
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