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1 • NuTyx (by Tux Raider on 2018-05-21 01:16:22 GMT from United States)
i tried installing it twice, first time i did not install the boot loader and when i went to reboot i wanted to just add it to grub in another distro i have installed which worked update-grub added it to the boot config, and when i tried to boot it i got a kernel panic, rebooted the machine back in to my other distro (dual boot two linuxes) and i mounted NuTyx and checked it the kernel was there in /boot, the kernel modules were there in /lib but no initrd.img so i go install a second time and allow NyTyx to install grub to the MBR thinking the initrd.img gets built during that part of the install , but nope, i cant figure out what i am doing wrong or did NuTyx mess up on the ISO???
anyone else try NuTyx and have a kernel panic on boot?
2 • What's your favorite Linux distro? (by Dude on 2018-05-21 01:40:11 GMT from Bahrain)
My favorite Linux distro is Linux Mint MATE. In fact, Linux Mint is the only distro I felt worthy of donating money to more than once. What's your favorite distro? Why not show support for your favorite distro by sending a small donation?
3 • Nautilus (by Angel on 2018-05-21 02:47:17 GMT from Philippines)
I would prefer more options on Nautilus, but I've used Nemo on Gnome desktops to make up for the shortcomings.
4 • Gome removing the ability to launch programs from Nautilus (by Andy Figueroa on 2018-05-21 02:51:46 GMT from United States)
Poll and in the News section "Now that the desktop is long gone ..."
Reducing functionality is madness. You couldn't make this stuff up. It's unlikely that I will ever run Gnome again.
5 • GNOME and removing the ability to launch binaries (by Jim on 2018-05-21 03:13:12 GMT from Canada)
Removing the ability to launch an executable from the file manager is such a ridiculous decision I can hardly comprehend it. Just about everyone needs to launch an AppImage or a binary he/she compiled every now and then. It just doesn't make any sense. I guess it's not like the could make Nautilus any worse, I suppose. It's already a joke of a file manager that can't do so much as create an empty file or open a terminal in the current directory. Gnome in general just keeps getting worse, from requiring systemd for some ungodly reason to breaking compatibility with extensions with every release to non-conforming applications (try opening gedit in a tiling window manager and enjoy the giant ugly title bars that no other applications have). Not to mention their "daddy knows best" feature removal and just general poor attitude towards other projects.
I'd like to hope that GNOME going back on this change is a sign of them finally coming to their senses, but I doubt it. Can't wait for GNOME 4 to not even bother including a file manager at all because "it would ruin the clean design."
6 • Nautilus/GNOME (by Jack on 2018-05-21 03:50:25 GMT from United States)
The latest change to Nautilus is emblematic of why I don't use GNOME. The developers take an approach like Fisher Price toy designers trying to make everything simple enough for a toddler to use without breaking. One of the main reasons I use free and open source software is because I want more control of my machine, not less.
7 • @1 - NuTyx install woes (by distro-addict on 2018-05-21 03:52:27 GMT from United States)
Your experience with NuTyx not installing/creating the initrd.img file, thus becoming unbootable regardless of whose grub is used, mirrors mine exactly. Tried several times with several ISO's, scanned for clues on their almost completely silent forum, then finally gave up.
Could be something dead simple that we've both missed (seems unlikely, as I've tackled all the "hard to tame" distros - Gentoo, raw Arch, Void, Slackware...), could be we have uniquely uncooperative hardware... or maybe it just plain doesn't work and so few have tried (or care enough) that it's never been reported.
8 • Checkrestart (by Mike on 2018-05-21 07:38:05 GMT from Kenya)
Thank you for this week's Tips and Tricks Jesse! I normally go for months without rebooting my machine. I could definitely use a utility like checkrestart.
9 • Both QUIT changing AND change! (by OS2_user on 2018-05-21 04:59:00 GMT from United States)
@ "A few days later, the GNOME team published a new change with the intent of restoring the application and script launching ability: "A few cases appeared that we need to support,"
This NEEDLESS thrashing shows appalling lack of common sense.
@ "However, my mouse failed to work. Adding the line moused_enable="YES" to my /etc/rc.conf file got my mouse pointer moving."
Really? It's 2017 and you expect users to edit text files for basic functions? -- AFTER finding doesn't work, searching fix, every user wasting perhaps ten minutes frustrated instead of one programmer dashing off a script in ten minutes, and fixed forever?
10 • My favorite distro (by Roy Davies on 2018-05-21 06:07:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
I must support Dude (comment 2) in declaring Linux Mint as my overall favourite distro, excepting that I prefer the xfce desktop. I am looking forward to Mint 19 in a few weeks time. I am sure it will be worth the wait.
Runners up would be xubuntu and MX-17. All of these are virtually out-of-the-box and easy to reconfigure with my preferred software packages using the CLI or Synaptic.
I personally believe that Manjaro is grossly overrated. It is not as user-friendly as the Ubuntu and Debian based distros. Just try installing Dropbox!
I tried NuTyx last week. A complete disaster.
11 • Dragonfly BSD (by Eddy on 2018-05-21 06:48:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Its a nice BSD distro, bit more gfx support than others, I only found a big minus there: lack of fuse-fs
12 • @2 (by Fantomas on 2018-05-21 08:40:39 GMT from France)
I do not have only one favorite Linux Distro. There is no all in one for me. I use many for different tasks. Linux Mint is and always was fine and very workable easy to use friendly Distro. I like the Cinnamon version, as it is their newest so called Child,and If I recall correct it uses even less RAM then Linux Mint Mate, by now. L Mint is getting better and better. Should I use Mate, then I would Pick Ubuntu-Mate 18.04 LTS. DONATION; The donating Part is sometimes tricky. Example, one donates to certain Project and the Project turns around and does things the Dona-tor does not like..Best is to observe, for longer period of time, then Donate. Now Linux Mint that I also like, should be flying by now, it is 2018, but it is not.
Best Linux Mint version I did like in the past, was Isadora (Mint 9), very light and fast and did fit on to one CD. But that is past.
13 • Nautilus... (by OstroL on 2018-05-21 09:14:24 GMT from Poland)
Nautilus?
There is nothing else to do than installing KDE distros. Dolphin has more than enough features.
14 • GNOME 3.... (by Marc Visscher on 2018-05-21 09:25:59 GMT from Netherlands)
Since GNOME 3 was there I tried it a few times, but without any satisfaction. I think it's a boring desktop with too less options to modify it. And since time passed on the GNOME-team even wanted to hide more and more settings. The reason would be: "to stay out of the way".
GNOME got to the point it's getting really annoying by hiding stuff of removing adaptibility/functionality. GNOME doesn't feel like a Linux desktop anymore. It feels more and more like a desktop developed by a commercial, proprietairy organization. I can see comparisation with Android or another commercial desktop environment. Linux stands for choice and freedom, and GNOME isn't exactly that anymore, is it?
I got a good idea for GNOME: why don't you guys just make GNOME 3 completely in kiosk-mode, so no one can ever tweak ANY setting anymore? I really think GNOME 3 is going the wrong way in the longer term. And I also believe that GNOME 3 isn't Linux-worthy anymore. They take away any choice by the user. How THEY designed it, it's going to be exactly that, without any modifications made by the user.
And seriously... GNOME 3 wants to be a minimalistic desktop environment. If so, why is GNOME have such a big footprint? If I want a minimalistic approach, I just take Fluxbox or i3WM, which are extremely light but very efficient. And for what Fluxbox concerned: It's minimalistic, it's light, but is still very adaptable for the user's needs, without installing loads of extra plugins and extensions which make the whole thing heavier for your hardware. And GNOME is already a heavy beast, only suitable to run on newer hardware or hardware with bold specs. So... what's left for GNOME 3 on the positive sight? I really can't name one in comparisation to other minimalistic desktop environments, to be honest.
GNOME 3 - to me - really dropped the ball here. I'm not planning to ever use it again. No choice, no freedom, no nothing.... I might as well use Android, Windows or Mac instead. It has the same amount of "choice" and "freedom" as they have.
Bye GNOME... it feels like the lost of someone you used to love a long time ago (GNOME 2), but drifted away from you in a way that separation is the only way to carry on (GNOME 3).
15 • Post #2 : Favorite (by Winchester on 2018-05-21 09:42:25 GMT from United States)
I would say PClinuxOS is best overall with LXQt , LXDE ,or (in my case) with a customized Trinity. If the web browser updates were not delayed as much as they are.
Solus OS .... 2nd .... faster updates in most cases but,uses SystemD,slightly less stable,and the graphical package manager sometimes hangs.
Requiring a little bit more work (but not too much) .... Alpine Linux XFCE.
Requiring a lot more work in some cases, Gentoo.
Gentoo-based systems made easier ..... Calculate Linux with MATE ; RedCore Linux but,I trust Alpine Linux more.
Behind those 6,honorable mention goes to Fedora Cinnamon and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed although,I am against SystemD on any candidate for my main operating system.
16 • Mageia updates (by Phillip on 2018-05-21 14:09:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
I really wantto try mageia 6, but having limited and slow broadband cant justify downloading a 3.x iso, installing and then having 1300 plus updates.
Couldnt they also release a 6.x iso with the added updates ?
17 • GNOME 3.... (by Marc Visscher on 2018-05-21 10:02:22 GMT from Netherlands)
Since GNOME 3 was there I tried it a few times, but without any satisfaction. I think it's a boring desktop with too less options to modify it. And since time passed on the GNOME-team even wanted to hide more and more settings. The reason would be: "to stay out of the way".
GNOME got to the point it's getting really annoying by hiding stuff of removing adaptibility/functionality. GNOME doesn't feel like a Linux desktop anymore. It feels more and more like a desktop developed by a commercial, proprietairy organization. I can see comparisation with Android or another commercial desktop environment. Linux stands for choice and freedom, and GNOME isn't exactly that anymore, is it?
I got a good idea for GNOME: why don't you guys just make GNOME 3 completely in kiosk-mode, so no one can ever tweak ANY setting anymore? I really think GNOME 3 is going the wrong way in the longer term. And I also believe that GNOME 3 isn't Linux-worthy anymore. They take away any choice by the user. How THEY designed it, it's going to be exactly that, without any modifications made by the user.
And seriously... GNOME 3 wants to be a minimalistic desktop environment. If so, why is GNOME have such a big footprint? If I want a minimalistic approach, I just take Fluxbox or i3WM, which are extremely light but very efficient. And for what Fluxbox concerned: It's minimalistic, it's light, but is still very adaptable for the user's needs, without installing loads of extra plugins and extensions which make the whole thing heavier for your hardware. And GNOME is already a heavy beast, only suitable to run on newer hardware or hardware with bold specs. So... what's left for GNOME 3 on the positive sight? I really can't name one in comparisation to other minimalistic desktop environments, to be honest.
GNOME 3 - to me - really dropped the ball here. I'm not planning to ever use it again. No choice, no freedom, no nothing.... I might as well use Android, Windows or Mac instead. It has the same amount of "choice" and "freedom" as they have.
Bye GNOME... it feels like the lost of someone you used to love a long time ago (GNOME 2), but drifted away from you in a way that separation is the only way to carry on (GNOME 3).
18 • Finding which services were affected by an update (by Gerald on 2018-05-21 10:30:06 GMT from Netherlands)
I installed debian-goodies and ran checkrestart. I got a warning:
lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
Output information may be incomplete.
Found 0 processes using old versions of upgraded files
(Linux MInt 18.3)
19 • desktop icons in Gnome (by Mark on 2018-05-21 11:13:00 GMT from United Kingdom)
Icons on desktop in Gnome never really worked that well anyway, I found, and I can't remember the last time I launched a program from the file manager in Linux.
This process seems to make more sense on Windows. You get used to doing things that way. A lot of Windows users launch everything from their desktop icons, and they'd be lost without them.
20 • launching programs from Nautilus (by fox on 2018-05-21 11:32:58 GMT from Canada)
It is unclear from the description whether, if this feature was removed, one would be unable to run a program by clicking on a file and starting it up with that program. I do this all the time and would find it very inconvenient to find a workaround for that. Launching a program and navigating to the file takes much more time.
21 • Gnome poll (by jg53 on 2018-05-21 11:37:13 GMT from Poland)
4% of Gnome users welcome the next feature removal from a DESKTOP environment called Gnome. It just confirms how removed from the real users needs Gnome is. Arrogance, complete disregard of user needs, inability to comprehend what is the meaning of a smooth workflow and user experience in a DESKTOP (not server) environment.
I have two suggestions for GNOME developers:
1) Remove all unnecessary features from your beloved DE and leave only the excellent Gnome Terminal - it should be even more than enough for any really savvy Linux user - after all, using cli and bash, you can also browse the Net, watch movies and write poems about superiority of Gnome over X.
2). Take a look at yourselves in the mirror and tell us Linux users what you see...
22 • Mageia New Wave Of Updates (by Phillip Chandler on 2018-05-21 12:29:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
Ive been watching Mageia since its first release and am holding back from using it for the moment. But I, surprised that they havent released a 6.x ISO release with the 1300 mentioned updates ?
No-one, Im sure, wants to download a 3.x Gb ISO, install it and then have to update 1300 packages.
23 • Ubuntu Studio desktop offerings (by Daniel Martinez on 2018-05-21 12:30:36 GMT from United States)
I have been wanting this to happen for a long time. XFCE, in my opinion, is just so outdated. KDE Plasma runs great on my system, even with eye candy engaged. I can't wait for the release.
24 • Nautilus (by Rick Gatewood on 2018-05-21 13:13:05 GMT from United States)
I was already looking into abandoning Gnome or using SpaceFM. Glad to hear they reversed themselves on allowing Nautilus to run binaries. The word "ridiculous" comes to mind!
25 • Opinion Poll (by Kate on 2018-05-21 13:14:29 GMT from Canada)
I answered, I am unaffected by this change, because I don't use gnome. If you click on a .desktop file in the Dolphin file manager in KDE, there's a popup that asks if you want to open (in text editor), execute or cancel, this seems sensible and allows people the option of making there own decisions.
26 • Mageia Major Updates (by Phillip on 2018-05-21 13:22:07 GMT from United Kingdom)
Cant understand why Mageia havent released a 6.x ISO release for the 1300+ updates ? Id love to install ver 6, but not if Ive then got to download 1300 udates. Shame
27 • Hammer2 (by KingNeutron on 2018-05-21 14:22:48 GMT from United States)
--Dragonfly + Hammer2 sounds really interesting, but the distro needs more polish before I jump into it. The mouse thing and the SSH issue are REALLY basic (as well as the distro being ABLE TO BOOT on COTS bare hardware), and Linux users (much less Windoze refugees) just won't want to put up with it - they want it to Just Work anymore. Who has the time -- this is 2018 already. Fix the basic stuff and you'll get more users/testers.
28 • Nautilus changes... Mageia updates (by Bobbie Sellers on 2018-05-21 14:30:35 GMT from United States)
Gnome can do what ever they choose to do.
Their movement away from the clarity and simplicity of the 2.4 version
disenchanted me not that I was too happy with 2.4. i used it for several
weeks under Mandriva and found it immature compared with the excellent
tools provided under KDE.
Some users with a decent package manager will be able to download
Dolphin or another more competent package than Nautilus.
I use KDE so this does not affect me.
Mageia updates! 1300+ wow!
By the way they are planning on a Mageia 6.1 release
from what I read online(Usenet).
bliss -
29 • manjaro dropbox (by mes on 2018-05-21 14:43:23 GMT from Netherlands)
@10: I installed manjaro kde last week. After I enabled the AUR repository dropbox could be installed easily. Is is a simple as in kubuntu.
I am a little bit bored with manjaro. Everthing just works without any problems.
30 • Namib, a badly shaped Manjaro copycat? (by Frederic Bezies on 2018-05-21 14:58:11 GMT from France)
I was surprised this distribution who ripped Manjaro Tools and renamed all tools without remorse is now indexed on Distrowatch...
About tools ripping: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/namib-linux-is-new-and-uses-manjaro-tools/41686/
And Philip Muller ending post is priceless : https://forum.manjaro.org/t/namib-linux-is-new-and-uses-manjaro-tools/41686/97
frederic2ec -> only Namib coder as far as I know.
"frederic2ec : The problems is that I’m not the only one using our tools (Swagarch for example) and I’m not the last."
"Philip muller :
Well, this single sentence of yours gives me to think. Now the tools are ours now? We have no beef with SwagArch. I just reviewed their code and it was done properly. Mistakes might happen, but via code quality it would have been found.
I whished you did some more effort to yours and not simply hammer it with sed-magic without thinking of the end result and what might happen next.
If the proper credit to the authors is done and it is cristal clear who started the project, some stuff discussed in this thread won’t had happen, when done not so lazy as it was done on your end."
Well, what about deleting this distribution from index? Just asking of course.
31 • GNOME? (by Manditory Name on 2018-05-21 15:01:06 GMT from France)
If GNOME 3 weren't the default desktop for most of the popular distros, who would use it? I can't imagine anyone purposely choosing it.
32 • Services (by Jesse on 2018-05-21 15:51:31 GMT from Canada)
@18: Make sure you are running the checkrestart program as root or with sudo so it has access to the necessary information.
33 • Finding which services were affected by an update (by Roger Brown on 2018-05-21 15:57:31 GMT from Australia)
I also very much appreciated the article on this topic - many thanks.
ArchLinux has a port of the checkrestart utility in its supplementary build script repository (AUR)
34 • @10 Manjaro + Dropbox (by mchlbk on 2018-05-21 17:15:25 GMT from Denmark)
If Manjaro + Dropbox isn't working for you, you're doing it wrong. Dropbox is in the repositories and it works with a few clicks in the package manager and your password - just like everything else.
Been running Manjaro LXDE on low-specced laptop for 5 months. First attempt with Arc-based distro, pleasantly surprised: Fast, stable and polished.
35 • Poll Response (by Steve L on 2018-05-21 17:27:31 GMT from United States)
I'm unaffected by this change to Gnome because I have refused to use Gnome ever since they destroyed it with v3. I do use Mate and changes there would certainly affect me.
With all the other, decent, choices in desktops, why would any one deliberately choose to use Gnome 3 (or it's kissing cousin Unity)? But then what do I know... there are actually folks out there that think the win10 is a good idea, so I obviously don't understand how some people think.
36 • File manages, Mageia, & Context (by M.Z. on 2018-05-21 18:13:59 GMT from United States)
@19
"...I can't remember the last time I launched a program from the file manager in Linux. This process seems to make more sense on Windows."
Personally I have a few choice programs like Firefox & Clementine that I open almost every time I boot my PC & therefore they go on the desktop where they rightly belong. I also have a couple of select folders there, or in the case of KDE a couple of directories in my folder view widget. A small number of select icons can go along way to making things more convenient, why kill that feature when everyone expects it?
I know Gnome is designed with someone in mind, but it certainly isn't me. It seems like every time I hear about Gnome there are more things being done that make me say "Wow, that's REALLY stupid!" & I am reminded that Gnome is definitely not for me. Then I am surprised when I think about how many Linux projects chose such a weird DE by default.
@16 & @22
I can confirm what @28 said about the update with a post directly from Mageia:
https://blog.mageia.org/en/2018/05/05/the-enormous-mageia-6-update/
They mention plans for the 6.1 release a couple of times. They have a quite solid distro & it's well worth trying, though I could see waiting for the updated ISO. The updates generally come at a slow trickle that's a lot closer to Debian than it is to a rolling distro like say PCLinuxOS.
@9
"....Really? It's 2017 and you expect users to edit text files for basic functions?"
No you really don't, just pick the right distro. Try actually looking closer & understanding the context of what's being discussed in DW Weekly:
"Getting these features enabled took longer than it would on most Linux distributions or on a desktop-friendly BSD like GhostBSD..."
The article is about using a server system as a desktop & isn't a process for most users. The major draw of DragonFly BSD is clearly it advanced file system. This is not a user friendly OS & was never intended to be. Why not pick the right OS for you & stop complaining about distros that have a mission that has nothing to do with what you want?
37 • Fedora (by Ivan on 2018-05-21 18:55:58 GMT from United States)
Fedora is my favorite distro because every time I try some new project, every distro I try fails, but Fedora just works. Fedora also makes disk encryption very easy, and it's easier to get customizations just for you.
38 • @16, 22, 28, 36, Mageia update (by pengxiun on 2018-05-21 20:31:11 GMT from New Zealand)
The "up to 1300 packages" are the upgrade to the latest LTS Plasma5 desktop environment, including KF5 and QT5 packages
This group had to be released in one update as a partial update of any of the package groups would have broken the system, and made it un-usable for the average user.
Once this group of updates was released, work could start on preparing that 6.1 updated .iso.
Previously Mageia has released the x.1 iso just prior release of the next version, so this would imply also that work is starting(ed) on Mageia 7.
Mageia (so I understand) are fully aware that some users do not have access to hi-speed, high bandwidth uncapped internet, which is why they release the Classical Installer series of .isos which include up to six complete desktops (Plasma5, Gnome, Xfce, Mate, Cinnamon and LXDE) with a bucket load of applications that can be mixed together to make your desktop your way.
39 • Gnome (by mandog on 2018-05-21 20:44:49 GMT from Peru)
I read the warning on the Ubuntu forums, "Do not launch .sh files in a file manager as you could get malware", and thought I would never do that anyway that is why windows users get viruses and malware.
But it seems Distrowatch readers seem to think otherwise Their are safe ways to things the correct way not blindly installing after downloading from the net from a untrusted source Devs are now paid to put malware in their software as Ubuntu found out with PPAs recently, Is that what you really want.
As for nautilus I think that was reversed anyway but gnome has a advanced file manager for those sort of things Gnome commander, or use spacefm it does not care what you do with it.
40 • gnome/nautilus (by FONZ on 2018-05-21 20:58:11 GMT from Indonesia)
as #6 said it, 'fisher price'. ive got no idea why so many DE file managers (FM) are so basic nowadays. the only DE FM i believe in is dolphin. sadly im not a fan of KDE. there are plenty of other FMs out there, i personally like polo ATM. it may be time i make the switch to KDE if things go on like this.
41 • Security & Desktop Icons (by M.Z. on 2018-05-21 22:07:57 GMT from United States)
@39
From the DW poll Q:
"...GNOME developers changing a feature in the Nautilus file manager which prevents Naultius from launching applications and .desktop files (also known as short-cuts). "
Do you see the problem with the blanket statement you are making? The problems that some of us have is also the "....desktop files (also known as short-cuts)." section. I personally never use Snaps or .PPAs & only use one or two trusted apps that aren't in the repos of my distro. You make the security situation out to be more than it is & the Gnome devs clearly weren't thinking if they thought the only way to protect uses was to make it impossible for them to do multiple common tasks.
That being said Linux isn't a blanket solution for all security issues & the applications used in Linux obviously occupy a continuum of different levels of trustworthyness from the gold standard vetted stuff in official repos of major distros, to 'some Snap that Ubuntu didn't ever bother to look at'. That Snap thing was the most recent security issue I heard of, though PPAs have risk as well.
42 • @ #2 Favorite (by Bob on 2018-05-21 23:20:19 GMT from United States)
I'll try anything with an xfce desktop. At the moment Xubuntu 16.04 is the leader of the pack. I HAD Xubuntu 18.04 when it was released, but it had too many small "bugs" and issues that I went back to 16.04.
43 • @36 responding to #9 (by OS2_user on 2018-05-21 23:26:51 GMT from United States)
"Try actually looking closer & understanding the context of what's being discussed in DW Weekly"
Take your own advice on context: my comment is pointed solely at DragonFly BSD. First, a "server" need not be crude. 2nd, you entirely misunderstood the economics of programmer writing the fix once, instead of hundreds or thousands of persons each spending ten minutes to do it.
Have to say that you typify Linux: misunderstand and then demand that I devote more time to Linux.
Nope. I have chosen my OS: either XP or Windows 7, they're just better now that "Linux" has lost its way. Read above: I'm not the only one complaining now, the dam has burst and even devotees are unhappy with the sum of changes.
By the way: I try not to go back and forth, was just checking whether my comment got in because didn't appear last night. At least the two repeat attempts aren't shown.
44 • Namib (by Incredulous on 2018-05-21 23:52:38 GMT from United States)
@30
I strongly believe that Namib should be removed from the Distrowatch list.
I think it is the antithesis of open source to profit off users. I was looking at https://forum.manjaro.org/t/namib-linux-is-new-and-uses-manjaro-tools/41686/ and could not believe they actually do mining in your browser.
45 • Namib (by Jesse on 2018-05-22 00:36:46 GMT from Canada)
@44: >> "could not believe they actually do mining in your browser."
You shouldn't believe it, that's not what the forum post is saying. They're saying the Namib website does (or used to) have a mining script, not the browser.
Also, lots of open source and free software projects profit off users in one form or another. The GNU website has an entire section dedicated to their support of the concept. That's why we have distros like Red Hat, SUSE and Ubuntu.
46 • Services - checkrestart (by Mike on 2018-05-22 00:39:07 GMT from Australia)
@32 same problem with sudo
47 • FEDORA 28 Workstation MATE X86_64 is great, but install & updates are buggy. (by Andre Gompel on 2018-05-22 00:55:30 GMT from United States)
Hello:
I have used several Linux Distros, and Fedora (Ubuntu too) for a long time.
Recently updated to Fedora 28 Workstation X86_64.
The Install (over existing partitions) went well, (I had to do it twice)...
I elected (custom install) to reformat only the partitions for /boot and / (both xfs)
I kept the others (ntfs, and one btrfs)
/boot and / mounted on xfs partitions and one btrfs, etc...
* Installer is OK, not the best but not the worse, this went OK, and very fast (much faster it seems than previous Fedora versions).
After installation and update, I added the repos rpmfusion (free & not free).
Installed a few qt5 based apps (like VLC, qbittorent, smplayer, okular) to find they did not work.
The qbittorent (ran from CLI) was "qbittorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Core.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
----
The fix (after some soul searching) is simple:
1. mkdir d.tmp
2. cd d.tmp
3. wget --continue http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/q/qt5-qtbase-5.10.1-6.fc28.x86_64.rpm
4. sudo dnf remove qt5-qtbase # Remove old ones
sudo dnf install ./qt5-qtbase-5.10.1-6.fc28.x86_64.rpm # Install
5. sudo dnf install ./qt5-qtbase-5.10.1-6.fc28.x86_64.rpm # Install
6. reinstalled qt5 based apps, deleted at step 4
--- That's all: everything now works ! -- (Fast, well)
Comment: I shall not complain, since I did not participate into the test of F28 beta, but this lack of enough testing for the released version, gives a very bad test, to what I see as one of the very best Linux Distros. Korora used to enhance most Fedora distros, so they would work, "out of the box", this was great, unfortunately the Korora folks, for the moment stopped supporting Fedora.
== What is great about Fedora ==
1. Rock solid after install, often a bit rock, alas.
2. Great package manager (rpm/dnf) with many very nice features, like history, undo, deltarpms, making circles around most other packages managers)
3.Very recent and well tested packages, and kernels.
5. For Fedora 28, LibreOffice 6, and support for the latest (better too) compression with btrfs partitions: btrfs partitions are now, finally very good (It took a long time!).
=== Why I prefer MATE Desktop == (On Fedora)
I prefer MATE Desktop, because it is clean, sober, has the best file manager (CAJA), has a good netspeed widget, but for the future I expect LxQt to become my desktop of choice.
I cannot stand GNOME 3, way to clumsy to use !
That's all Folks
48 • @35, Windows 10, Gnome (by Angel on 2018-05-22 02:44:57 GMT from Philippines)
I get a kick out of many of the comments on desktops on this page. Reminds me of an animated movie I watched about ants. Any ant that strayed from the line would be lost, wandering in circles.
I am one of the few (million) who like and enjoy the Windows 10 desktop. First, there are tiles. Click on the Windows (Super) key and all my frequently used apps are neatly on display with nice shiny icons. Appreciated by me since I'm getting a bit old. Not a favorite app? Say I want command line. (Yes, Virginia, there is a command line on Windows and I use it sometimes.) Windows key and type "cmd," then "enter." Or I can type "ter" same as in Gnome. Most used apps can be pinned to the taskbar, one click is all it takes.
I want to know how the US dollar is doing against the Philippine Peso? Windows key, and type "usd php." Other things I can check are how many pounds equal x kilos, what is the temperature in Podunk, Egypt, how many angels fit on the head of a pin, etc., etc.
I like to ruin apps maximized, (Did I mention I'm getting old?) so to run another program from a desktop icon, I would have to minimize, find the icon and click. How many clicks on a category based menu, with sub-categories, and with maybe what ever names the particular distro decided to call the apps?
Minus the direct access to web content, Gnome gives me pretty much the same thing. Favorite app icons front and center with one click, others just a scroll away. Or I can type, just as in Windows 10. And I can also install a simple dock which does pretty much the same things as panels or taskbars.
Too simplistic sometimes? Yes. I don't care for Nautilus. I install Nemo on all Gnome desktops, but as long as one does not need to always follow the line, both Gnome and Windows 10 work very well.
49 • Correction Re:48 (by Angel on 2018-05-22 02:47:36 GMT from Philippines)
Run apps maximized, not ruin them. Maybe a Freudian slip?:-)
50 • Loyalty (by George on 2018-05-22 03:45:43 GMT from United States)
Angel, there's some things that just turn my stomach, and just the thought of giving money to certain companies makes me want to barf on my keyboard. However, I must acknowledge that MS did respond to its user base and address the shortcomings of the prior version of Windows.
In DW poll 151, 40% of voters either "like" or "am fine with" GNOME. This high number was in the face of GNOME reduced functionality and the GNOME we-know-better mentality. As a group, open source people seem to be more tolerant of such developer actions compared to the enthusiasts of proprietary systems.
So, even though there are critical posts here of yet another reduction of functionality, it's likely that GNOME support will continue unabated. As in the past with KDE and Ubuntu, reduced functionality and disregard for current users have no consequences. Loyalty of the users overwhelms the disregard of the developers. I wish I had some calm and humorous language that would make a final concluding comment acceptable to the web site owner, but I don't. So, nuff said.
51 • Loyalty of the users overwhelms the disregard of the developers? (by Scott on 2018-05-22 04:04:33 GMT from United States)
George, since when do we blame users for what the developer does? The users are not at fault here nor have they done anything wrong.
"As a group, open source people seem to be more tolerant of such developer actions compared to the enthusiasts of proprietary systems." Enthusiasts are some of most tolerant people you will meet. "open source" is more of a kind of thinking rather than a group thing. Besides, when did you start separating open source people and enthusiasts into two difference groups? I don't accept that.
52 • @44 about namib code "stealing" (by Frederic Bezies on 2018-05-22 05:21:31 GMT from France)
There is a difference between copying code - and giving back credits to previous developpers - and "stealing" it by using an automated sed process to find and replace every single previous developper name by its own.
This is the main problem here. Namib's only developer took mhwd (Manjaro Hardware Detection Tool), Manjaro Settings Manager and replaced every single manjaro instance by Namib's one.
It's not inspiration here, it's pure plagiarism. I do not think it's accepted by the FSF ...
Philip Muller is clear:
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/namib-linux-is-new-and-uses-manjaro-tools/41686/22
"We are NOT part of this. This was done with some stupid sed-magic. That’s why I marked it as “quality code” :wink:"
I have no power to tell site owner to do what they have to do. But now, you see the true face of Namib. And it is really bad.
Have a good day.
53 • @50 (by Angel on 2018-05-22 06:24:34 GMT from Philippines)
It may turn your stomach, but millions of people around the world have been able to have jobs, care for their families and pursue other interests thanks to companies like Microsoft, Apple, et al. I never worked directly for MS but I made a good living from the care and maintenance of their products. Still could, but I'm too lazy these days.
Free people don't work for no recompense. Desktop Linux is not and will not be a success in term of percentage of users, simply because there's no money in it. As good as some of the DEs may be, they still come off as somewhat amateurish. Nothing wrong with that, and they can be enjoyable to use. In effect, most developers and maintainers don't do it for you or me, they do it for themselves, for pride and self-satisfaction. Problem is, satisfaction does not fe the baby might go hungry without other means of income, what I think these people deserve is respect. That should the coin of free software. Unfortunately, seems that the majority of Linux users hold the opposite view. To mangle an old saw: Those who can, do. Those who can't become critics.
54 • Correction Re:53 again, sorry. (by Angel on 2018-05-22 06:28:59 GMT from Philippines)
Sentence should be: "Problem is, satisfaction does not feed the baby, but while the baby may go hungry without other means of income, what these people deserve is respect." Lousy typist.
55 • @52, 44 - Namib (by Hoos on 2018-05-22 07:24:16 GMT from Singapore)
Open source code must still be used in accordance with the terms of the licence that the said code was released under.
I am not sure whether or not what the Namib developer did (replacing all credits and attribution of the actual programmers in the code with his own or his distro's name) was in breach of the licence terms. If yes, surely his distro should not be allowed in the DW index.
Perhaps, Jesse should ask him for his response to this issue. If it was in breach but has now been rectified, he should state so on the record.
On the other hand, whether or not what he did was expressly against the open source licence terms, it wasn't a nice thing to do. If it was deliberate, then it was pretty dishonest. If it was an accident, then has he rectified it?
56 • Nautilus (by silent on 2018-05-22 11:03:25 GMT from Hungary)
So what about clicking on a document, music, picture, video or anything with an associated application in Nautilus? That should launch the default application, I think. In that case an easy workaround is creating and clicking on something like "Libreoffice.odf" etc.instead of clicking on the desktop file or on the binary. Gnome boosts your creativity. Lots of excellent extensions have already demonstrated that fact.
57 • checkrestart (by denk_mal on 2018-05-22 11:15:22 GMT from Germany)
checkrestart may fail if it will be executed on a docker hosting server because it also checks processes inside of docker container.
58 • Gnome (by Hiroyoshi Nishizawa on 2018-05-22 11:47:18 GMT from Spain)
I have been unaffected by Gnome changes since the minute Gnome2 was dropped. I initially migrated to Xfce and then LXDE.
For touchscreen devices, lacking a free fully-functional alternative, Android is just fine. For the desktop and laptop, I see no reason to abandon the classic paradigm, which, can, however, be improved.
Commercial OSs are also sticking to it, be it by their own will or forced by their user base.
59 • About Namib (by Frederic2ec on 2018-05-22 12:35:45 GMT from Canada)
@55 The problem have been fixed 3 months ago. I have no other problems. I made a mistake while changing the code and I don't hide it. Like I said on the forum, I'm working on a brand new tool for replacing manjaro one.
@44 The forum post was not clear about that. They were a script on the website and the visitor was aware of that and was written in big "The script is disabled by default". So the person had the choice of activating it or not. Since it's was removed.
60 • Seriously awesome "GNOME 4" story (by Carney3 on 2018-05-22 13:55:44 GMT from United States)
Thanks for linking to that older "GNOME 4" story. Hadn't seen it before. Hilarious!!
61 • Gnome... (by OstroL on 2018-05-22 16:26:01 GMT from Poland)
The next feature Gnome devs would remove might be Gnome itself...
62 • Gnome developers vs. the world (by eco2geek on 2018-05-22 20:52:22 GMT from United States)
From the Miscellaneous News section, about the Gnome project first removing the ability of Nautilus to run binaries, then doing an about-face, quote:
> In short, users would no longer be able to launch programs,
> open desktop short-cuts and run AppImages by double-clicking
> them in the Nautilus file manager. A few days later, the GNOME
> team published a new change with the intent of restoring the
> application and script launching ability: "A few cases appeared
> that we need to support, specially for enterprise and content creators..."
I've come to the conclusion that the developers who are responsible for Gnome are just trolling* us at this point.
* Troll: "One who posts a deliberately provocative message...with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument." -- Urban Dictionary
63 • Dumb Stuff (by M.Z. on 2018-05-22 21:44:07 GMT from United States)
@43
"...the economics of programmer writing the fix once, instead of hundreds or thousands of persons each spending ten minutes to do it."
What economics? Do you even understand that something is being given away for free? Anyone who wants that time saved should chose another distro. Acting like every distro should be everything to every potential user is a fundamentally flawed argument. The developers of open projects get to decide what their projects are focused on & how to spend what resources they have, be they large or small. Others are free to change & modify to suit their needs if they want something more user friendly or prefer anything else.
"...I have chosen my OS..."
Then why are you here making inane arguments?
64 • @63 (by kernelKurtz on 2018-05-22 23:19:48 GMT from Moldova, Republic of)
> Do you even understand that something is being given away for free?
Oh, like Facebook. Or Gmail.
I understand much better now. Thanks.
65 • TAILS (by Linux Royalty on 2018-05-22 23:48:36 GMT from Australia)
Security distros can be hard to use at times due to their locked-down nature. So it's good to see the TAILS team making it easier to install apps into their distro, and having them load at run time. They have deserved some $ for this good feature direction.
66 • New Guy at the top! (by Kavish on 2018-05-23 05:32:02 GMT from India)
Visiting Distrowatch after a long time and I notice a new guy Bang at the TOP - Welcome Manjaro!
(The guy is not new, just the position!)
67 • GNOME 3 - The mask cracks. (by I am all that once was on 2018-05-23 05:44:19 GMT from Canada)
A note on the quote found below the comment box.
[ If all men knew what each said of the other, there would not be four friends in the world. (Mark Twain) ]
Then there should not be 4 friends, period.
People should be Honest upfront with each other, say what you mean, and mean what you say.
Let people know Immediately where you stand in all things...more importantly, let them know where they stand with you.
I don't understand why people 'need' friends. It seems to me, anyways, that to have a friend one needs to compromise oneself in one way or another to be accommodating to that friend if one wants to keep that friend.
Thank you, no.....who ever you are....your not that important.....to me, at least.
The only true friend one will have, is oneself.
The problem is, folks have been 'trained' to need others and require group approval on things. Its taught in schools, its reinforced in the work environment.
Remember kids....There is no I in Team.
I usually come off as cold and harsh....Fantastic, guess what...you know where we stand right from the get-go...take me or leave me, makes no never mind to me. No pansy politically correct gibberish I shall utter ever, thats not even fit for a babys mentality. No Sir, or Ma'am, period. Full Stop.
Feelings: Now here is latest tool being used against humanity to bind the arms of the strong while raising up the weakest of the weak.
Have no part of it...Be yourself, always...and if that hurts peoples feelings, well....its their malfunction, not yours. "shrugs".
But back to Linux...and all things.
If you look closely, Really closely, you will notice that in All things, a slow, almost imperceptible reduction is going on.
This is happening in all industry's, including software.
Everything is slowly, ever so slowly being taken back.....
and it will culminate with the taking back of fire, for good.
(You may mark my words...) Printout required.
But lo...the chess board is in motion.
It is like there is an invisible finger, tapping people on the shoulders and whispering, "remove this, remove that...." in all industry's.
It just happens to be so pervasive now, that your seeing it pop up in things you never expected....such as software.
Full Steam Ahea....err, Reverse !!!
Thank you GNOME 3 for shining a light on whats coming.
68 • @67 & 68 Simplified w/o immaterial qualities (by Willie Buck Merle on 2018-05-24 13:53:05 GMT from United States)
Linux-for-desktop must emulate the windows desktop for free/no cost. The idea and path is set down already... anything else is DOGMA.
-wbm
69 • Arch based distro at #1 (by Jordan on 2018-05-24 15:30:36 GMT from United States)
Interesting to see Manjaro work its way up the ladder over time to the #1 spot in page hits here.
Must not be a fluke. ;)
No, I'm not a Manjaro fanboi. I run MX as my main laptop distro.
70 • latest Gnome3 antics (by curious on 2018-05-24 15:34:04 GMT from Germany)
One more reason why Gnome 3 is totally unusable for me. I understand that some people like to use a (fully capable) desktop or laptop computer like a locked-down (dumb) phone, but for me that is not acceptable.
The way Gnome 3 forces users to change their traditional workflow is well-known. That is why I don't understand how any sensible distro creator could select this abomination as DEFAULT desktop. It would be perfectly all right as an OPTION just for the phone-UI lovers.
At least the useful DE that used to be Gnome still exists. It is now called MATE.
71 • Nautilus poll (by Rdaniels on 2018-05-24 16:10:17 GMT from United States)
I welcome this change. Not because I think it is a good idea, but because eventually Gnome will have removed what little remaining functionality it has left. Maybe then distros will finally switch to a superior option. By which I mean literally anything else.
72 • Free as in Speech Software (by M.Z. on 2018-05-24 22:36:25 GMT from United States)
@64
"...Oh, like Facebook. Or Gmail."
No in fact, rather the opposite. What you just mentioned were all advertisement supported products. They are in no way comparable to the vast majority of 'free as in speech' software. You really should try to learn a little more before jumping to such erroneous conclusions. You could easily compare all of those to the older Unity version of Ubuntu, but the ad powered desktop died in that distro & is not used in any distro that I'm aware of.
Linux is built on a GPL/Free & Open Source core & companies like Red Hat, Intel, AMD, & Google all write code that is given away & combined into the GPL software released by the Linux Foundation. Much of the development done on the BSD is similar & Netflix is the biggest corporate sponsor there; however, others like Apple can use BSD code at their discretion & have no obligation to make the source code available like they would with GPL software like Linux.
The rule with GPL software is basically that you can get the code & do what you want with it so long as any new code you make from it remains GPL & is available to others. Under the BSD license you do what you want & license it how you want as long as you acknowledge you used BSD code.
The GPL license lets Linux distro build on each other rapidly & ensures that distros willing to give away their OS as no cost can build on other projects, just so long as they play by the rules of the GPL.
I know the idea that 'you are either the consumer or the product' is going around & there is some truth to it in general. That being said it is not at all the rule with open source software, where the rule is actually 'you have strong rights & control over your software'. If you receive any GPL software you have the right to use it & modify it to your taste; however, most people would have to hire someone who could code to modify it successfully.
@68
"...The idea and path is set down already..."
No! Emphatically untrue! If it's open it can meet any vision the developers want to pursue, or it can be re purposed to any vision any new group of developers want to pursue. Of course if it's like Gnome & wants to go from useful to just strange, then lots of people will rag on it & it will be forked into something more useful like Cinnamon. Those are the rules with Free & Open Software.
73 • My favorite distro (by Microsoft Hater on 2018-05-26 20:36:00 GMT from Brazil)
My favorite distro? Anything WITHOUT systemd and other stupid "RedHat-ish" software packages. As for Nautilus file manager not launching programs anymore, it's another good reason to stop using those pathetic GNOME based distros. Basically, everything is wrong with the GNOME Project, even their Web browser, which has a poor HTML5 compatibility.
I'm currently using MX Linux. But since XFCE became a little boated and removed the "real" ABNT2 keymap (the Brazilian standard keyboard configuration), my next AND LAST distro will be PCLinuxOS LXDE. No more distro-hopping from now on!
NOTE: Still waiting for an LXQt version of Slackware with Palemoon/Qupzilla, 'cause Firefox/Chromium sucks a lot... By the way, Gtk3 is a disaster. In my humble opinion, Qt5 is much better for graphical applications.
74 • My Favorite Distro (by Bushpilot on 2018-05-26 23:06:27 GMT from Canada)
I have been running Debian for several years. It is a boring distro compared to others like arch and its derivatives such as Antergos, Namib, Manjaro which I run in a VB. openSUSE 42.3 and version 15 are great too. All are xfce format. Fedora has been a disappointment for me as it is not adequately tested.Like Linux Mint as well. There are lots of distros to choose from which is great.
I remain with Debian 9 as it does everything quickly and I have had very few issues with it over the years. Yes Debian stable is boring but it works so well and I trust it.
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| • Issue 1113 (2025-03-17): MocaccinoOS 1.8.1, how to contribute to open source, Murena extends on-line installer, Garuda tests COSMIC edition, Ubuntu to replace coreutils with Rust alternatives, Chimera Linux drops RISC-V builds |
| • Issue 1112 (2025-03-10): Solus 4.7, distros which work with Secure Boot, UBports publishes bug fix, postmarketOS considers a new name, Debian running on Android |
| • Issue 1111 (2025-03-03): Orbitiny 0.01, the effect of Ubuntu Core Desktop, Gentoo offers disk images, elementary OS invites feature ideas, FreeBSD starts PinePhone Pro port, Mint warns of upcoming Firefox issue |
| • Issue 1110 (2025-02-24): iodeOS 6.0, learning to program, Arch retiring old repositories, openSUSE makes progress on reproducible builds, Fedora is getting more serious about open hardware, Tails changes its install instructions to offer better privacy, Murena's de-Googled tablet goes on sale |
| • Issue 1109 (2025-02-17): Rhino Linux 2025.1, MX Linux 23.5 with Xfce 4.20, replacing X.Org tools with Wayland tools, GhostBSD moving its base to FreeBSD -RELEASE, Redox stabilizes its ABI, UBports testing 24.04, Asahi changing its leadership, OBS in dispute with Fedora |
| • Issue 1108 (2025-02-10): Serpent OS 0.24.6, Aurora, sharing swap between distros, Peppermint tries Void base, GTK removinglegacy technologies, Red Hat plans more AI tools for Fedora, TrueNAS merges its editions |
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