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1 • snap malware and cryptomania (by vern on 2018-05-14 02:09:13 GMT from United States)
"A collection of Snap packages have been identified which contain a hidden, cryptocurrency miner."
I'm afraid this will continue on some other level, as some or of the opinion that they can get ritch using some crypto technology.
2 • Against my better sense... (by OS2_user on 2018-05-14 02:38:57 GMT from United States)
Tried Scientific Linux 7.5 -- net install since otherwise requires double-layer DVD that I don't have.
On Dell Optiplex 330, dual-core, so ordinary nowadays that was given to me.
Slow booting, eventually to big icons, three having exclams for attention. -- Apparently in 529 megabytes is no Live CD or anything but installer! -- I'd not yet connected network (waiting to see what good or bad popped up); when did, no joy. "Help" doesn't work, apparently needs network, but doesn't even tell you that much! Reboot, thinking wasn't initialized. Still no network. OH. THEN down at bottom I notice "Network" -- not enabled yet not flagged for attention! You're supposed to know must be clicked ON...
Then "Context" works, but must select (it's got a suspicious "testing" too that probably okays spying). Still no source, so no chance of selecting software... NEEDS something with wacky name, possibly for me to actually type a long name in... Well, NO obvious way to proceed in this huge but dull adventure game, so QUIT!
Yes, it's too complex for me. Especially with zero help off-line.
Just glad didn't succeed in writing over Windows 7! That was a test too, and now think permanent! All had to do was put DVD in, partition, and click okay: even found a Dell background.
3 • mining (by Romane on 2018-05-14 02:45:57 GMT from Australia)
If it can be abused, in the current society we can be certain that someones (plural) will deliberately abuse it. Sadly, all this does is place suspicion also upon the honest developers and the honest packages. This issue with Snap packages reminds me of the issue with embedded malware and so on in Windows 3rd party installable applications.
It is all a matter of trust, and when trust is breached, not only the miscreant is affected, but also the genuine contributors to the open-source world. Most users will be like me - no programming skills, unable to audit the code, thus, what the source code will make the application do. It makes me very thankful for all the reliable developers out there who are trustworthy, and whose activities help me to retain at least a reasonable level of trust in what I run.
Once trustworthiness raises it head, regaining full trust is almost impossible - there will always remain some doubt.
But then, I don't use Snap or any of the other current efforts to make packages cross-compatible. But then, Debian (Buster) has pretty well everything I need in its standard repositories.
4 • @1 malware (by pengxuin on 2018-05-14 02:46:08 GMT from New Zealand)
I agree entirely, but sadly, not just Snaps or flatpaks.
Unfortunately PPA's are also at risk, by those that would poison the PPA via fair means or foul.
I have heard it rumored that crypto-miners are offering a reward to developers to poison packages for inclusion in distro's official repos, so by extension PPA's.
5 • Atomic/Transactional Updates (by Andy Figueroa on 2018-05-14 03:21:20 GMT from United States)
Not a poll I can vote in meaningfully. I would be very happy to have both features and be able to use either (or both) on a case-by-case basis.
6 • Updates (by cflow on 2018-05-14 05:58:37 GMT from United States)
To me, the best feature low level updates could have is making the restart button never mandatory ever again.
There has been an on-running joke on Windows, where they don't trust casual users to restart to apply security updates. Thus the OS forcefully restarts - regardless of the importance of tasks that the computer ran.
Making kernel updates and such live would make Linux more desirable in so many ways, from ever-running servers to the computer-illiterate.
7 • Fedora and GNOME (by aguador on 2018-05-14 07:23:18 GMT from Netherlands)
I appreciate the reviewer's comments on the GNOME desktop. For the life of me I do not understand how a desktop with a dumbed down interface continues to be the default for so many distros. It and the late but not lamented Unity are the only two DEs that I have refused to have on my machines, and that's a pity given the quality of many GNOME applications.
8 • Finding text in files (by aguador on 2018-05-14 07:52:39 GMT from Netherlands)
Double Commander allows searches inside files, including archived files. The option is located toward the bottom of the search window and allows setting a number of parameters. I used Dolphin in a KDE4 system, and it is a top notch FM, but DC is not only a competent FM, but one that is jack AND master of all trades!
9 • Finding text in files (by Richard on 2018-05-14 08:05:39 GMT from France)
I use Linux Mint MATE 18.3 with the default file manager caja.
The search tool allows you to search in any folder and provides an option
"contains the text" which works perfectly!
10 • Gnome...Fedora review (by OstroL on 2018-05-14 10:40:05 GMT from Poland)
"I like Fedora better than I like the GNOME desktop environment."
I like Ubuntu better than the Gnome DE, likewise.
11 • Fedora review (by kc1di on 2018-05-14 11:45:15 GMT from United States)
Good review. I try to lie Fedora and install each new edition but always come away with the feeling is very unfinished Tried both gnome and mate desktops. But still just don't feel at home.
Seems I'm always back to Mint Cinnamon and that just suits my needs with limited amount of fuss.
12 • poll (by Jordan on 2018-05-14 12:35:33 GMT from United States)
I could not muster the moxie to care about those choices. I run a distro and adhere to its update schema, whatever it is. My favorite distros are rolling releases and non-systemd.
13 • Snaps-cryptocurrency miner (by Pat on 2018-05-14 12:50:46 GMT from Canada)
A big criticism of snaps is around security issues and this is the realization of most peoples fears. When I read about the cryptocurrency miner I checked to see if snaps was install on my system (Kubuntu), fortunately it's not, however I understand that it's installed by default on Ubuntu.
14 • Chrome OS and Debian compatibility (by cykodrone on 2018-05-14 12:58:18 GMT from Canada)
Goggle is the new Microslop, swallow and destroy.
15 • Snaps... (by Kazan on 2018-05-14 13:14:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
Snaps are sort of closed source packages, so a backdoor can be included. For the moment, we know of cryptocurrency malicious scripts in them. No way to trust Cannonical.
16 • Finding text in files (by Luke on 2018-05-14 13:31:25 GMT from United States)
A question about finding text in files, and not even a single mention of grep, even as a side-note?
Son, I am disappoint. I prefer ag (the silver searcher) personally, though at work I routinely need to use grep as well.
Also, fuzzy matching/fuzzy searching is a bit trickier, but it may actually be a *better* solution for the asker. As far as I can tell, Windows search does not provide this. Sublime text can do it (though its fuzzy searching is sort of specialized for programming), and a quick bit of Googling shows there are command-line tools (tre-agrep, etc.) that do it, too.
For an operation that is vital to the asker, it is vital that we point out that recursively searching in files is not an operation that is tied to a file manager...indeed, there are far better tools available.
17 • Fedora (by Ron on 2018-05-14 13:37:49 GMT from United States)
I really enjoyed the review of Fedora/Vanilla Gnome. It is the first review I have enjoyed in years here on Distrowatch. Most reviews of Fedora do not look at it from the view of it being a work in progress and it not being for newbies. Seems like most reviews are geared to newbies. Please notice I said most, not all. I can usually see by who is doing the reviewing just how it is going to end. Ha. Fedora is cutting edge and as such it can be difficult to get around if you do not know what you are doing. I have learned over the years to use Fedy or Easylife or just to Google and find how to add repos to enable me to install what I want that is not provided with the install.
As far as Vanilla Gnome goes. I just fix it to look and operate the way I want it to. I like the dock on the bottom so I install extensions and use Tweaks to set up stuff the way I like it. I have been using Red Hat/Fedora since 2000 and just like it. I am not a computer geek so I google a lot and learn that way. I am 67 and I like physical books to learn from so I use my chromebook as a "book" and learn that way to make things my way. I like Fedora. It has its faults, then so does every other distro. I also have Manjaro on another laptop and it can be difficult sometimes too. So, I say once again, thank you for a well balanced review of Fedora!!! How refreshing.
18 • Review (by JonG on 2018-05-14 13:54:51 GMT from United States)
Good review, even though I'll probably never again install a big full blown OS with all the extra apps & bells & whistles & eye candy the developers think I want or I'll need. But that's why I use Linux, it's all about personal choice & convenience & performance & cost. Thanks.
19 • Finding text in files (by dick on 2018-05-14 14:03:57 GMT from Canada)
Perhaps give the program Recoll a try.
20 • Snaps vs APT (by vern on 2018-05-14 14:32:15 GMT from United States)
Snaps is one of the first things I uninstall in xubuntu. Not because of malware, but because it adds stuff that a normal install doesn't.
I did a snap install just to check the install size. Cancelled. Then did a normal apt install. The size difference was noticeable.
21 • Snaps (by I'maNottaHera on 2018-05-14 15:25:52 GMT from United States)
Nice idea - in theory. However reading about the cryptomining thing, just reassures me that Snaps still has some QA (Quality assurance) issues. Until QA is improved, I will not use it for anything.
22 • shotwell (by Tim Dowd on 2018-05-14 15:31:04 GMT from United States)
I'm concerned about one thing mentioned in the review- Is GNOME planning to discontinue supporting Shotwell?
I don't have any beef with other photo managers, but Shotwell's been a constant for me for a decade and I love it.
23 • @ 20 RE Snaps vs APT (by Carson on 2018-05-14 15:41:25 GMT from Canada)
This is because a snap has all its dependencies bundled with it, while some of the dependencies for something installed from the repos might already be on your system
24 • Live vs Reboot (by wally on 2018-05-14 15:48:58 GMT from United States)
Both systems make good sense for me depending on which system I'm updating.
For some, reboot is no problem, for others, it is involved enough that I hold off. In the second case, a dependable live update would be nice so I could always stay patched without having to reboot and rebuild my environment.
25 • Fedora, OSTree, Flatpak, etc. (by c00ter on 2018-05-14 16:01:20 GMT from United States)
I find the concepts of OSTree, Atomic updating, and Flatpak intriguing. Imagine an OS with Marley's ghosts--past, present, and future operating systems--ready to boot at a touch. Imagine installed and installable applications isolated from each other and an OS protected from them. Imagine the whole thing being handled by one GUI utility, GNOME Software. The whole concept is Container Linux writ small, small enough even for desktop users. Or large as a an enterprise. Flatpak application theming issues seem to pale in significance when considered in that light, @Jesse. Of course, who wants a fugly desktop? :D
26 • aucun son (by vauthier on 2018-05-14 16:08:32 GMT from France)
je vient d’installer Fedora 28 mais pas de son général pourtant avec pulse audio sa devrais fonctionner mes pas pour moi déjà avec Fedora 27 j'en avais déjà pas alors dur dur
27 • Fedora (by jeffrydada on 2018-05-14 16:36:42 GMT from United States)
I would also like to add that alongside of the optional desktop spins Fedora has "labs". Speciallized OSes for Graphic Design. Music Creation, Astronomy, Gaming, Robotics, Science, Security and Python Classroom. They also have an installable "everything" edition that allows you to pick your favorite DE and select from various package suites during the install. This is nice for those who like to pick and chose which apps get installed. You can get a very lean, fast system this way.
28 • Live updating and Gaming (by My name is what it is on 2018-05-14 18:59:33 GMT from Sweden)
No, I don't think so. Live updating can interfere with system performance during game play like with Minecraft. If you have a powerful computer, it can still affect gameplay. Live updating is dead for the gamer.
29 • Updates (by Mitch on 2018-05-14 19:43:14 GMT from United States)
Updating is a necessary tool in warding off those who would help themselves to our stuff for profit. Red Hat, and many others, have become viable by providing services and competent products. Reasonable safety...regardless of the OS or use of a system, we want to assume our data and personal info are reasonably safe. But...man will always attempt to profit at the expense of another, and in this year of a digital age, where there is less face to face, this only conjures more manipulation. Exposing Intels' cpu flaws, or unraveling hidden mining in a snap ferrets out offenders to the public. Regardless...again Linux admins and programmers are pressed to supply the safeguards we the public demand. This is sure to increase overhead and operating costs, where as, only the profitable and zealous to help endure the hardships for us, the end users! All updating, whether Atomic, Snapped or Flatpacked, regardless of a reboot, is done 100% on the part of the end user in good faith. Companies which violate this basic tenant will be held to much greater scrutiny in this digital age and the next to come. Where word travels at the speed of light there will be no place for the ferrets to hide! To the mighty programmers and coders - we salute and thank you! To the ferrets - there's more than one way to skin a ferret...
30 • I want live updates / @2 (by Fantomas on 2018-05-14 19:50:22 GMT from United Kingdom)
I voted; I want live updates (no rebooting)
@2 / The only thing about Scientific Linux I like is the Name. We wait, maybe one day..I like the Idea. Thank you.
31 • Fedora review og Gnome (by Gnome3 on 2018-05-14 22:19:55 GMT from Portugal)
This part here, is a bang in the nail:
"It feels like I am using a mobile phone desktop environment on a PC"
I've never used a smartphone, so I never felt like that :))))
32 • Atomic updates (by Stan on 2018-05-14 23:01:31 GMT from Netherlands)
Unless you are running a rack mounted server nobody should be afraid of reboots. Thus atomic updates is the best that you can get.
33 • Fedora review (by Ben on 2018-05-15 08:17:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hello,
I've been using Fedora as my main OS for a couple of years and I don't have any of the problems you describe in this review, especially with Software and Flatpak.
Software: whenever there are updates, I receive a prompt from the system inviting me to update, even if I didn't open Software
Flatpak: I tried Flatpaks last year but gave up when noticing they didn't integrate with my custom theme. After Fedora 28 upgrade, I decided to give it a try again. I went on flathub website, clicked the button "Quick setup" which opened Software with a button to install the flathub repository, I didn't use any command line instruction for this. Then I went on installing 2 flatpaks: Skype and the GIMP. And tada!! To my surprise both of them used my custom theme and even had the 3 window buttons as I setup for my standard applications.
Flatpak now appears mature enough to be used as my default application format.
34 • freedom of choice in updates (by Dxvid on 2018-05-15 09:48:06 GMT from Sweden)
I want distro maintainers to give us freedom of choice, not decide for us how updates should be applied. OpenSUSE 15 will give us 2 choices. SUSE 15 will give us 3 choices. Certain machines will work better with one way of applying updates, other machines will work better with another way.
On a desktop, laptop or on servers running behind a load balancer, or running in a cluster atomic updates might be better as they are reliable and offer quick rollback possibility if something fails. While a very important central server might need the highest possible availability and minimize the number of reboots per year to maybe one reboot per year or once every second year.
35 • Atomic/Transactional (by Roy on 2018-05-15 20:00:21 GMT from United States)
I like to see what the change will do before I reboot. But then that reminds me of the commercial, "Would you like your heartburn now or later?" You can become used to breakage if you are a beta tester.
36 • @Jesse, flatpak erros (by Ricardo on 2018-05-16 04:06:48 GMT from Argentina)
$ sudo flatpak remote-delete flathub
Can't remove remote 'flathub' with installed ref runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.26
That's surely because flatpak apps (and I believe snaps also) use runtimes to avoid shipping the same libraries on each package.
For example, on my system (Slackware 14.2 64 bits) I have one flatpak installed as a user, which installed a couple of runtimes as dependencies:
$ flatpak list
Ref Options
org.kde.elisa/x86_64/stable user,current
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/1.6 user,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.ffmpeg/x86_64/1.6 user,runtime
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.9 user,runtime
To remove flathub, you might need to remove your installed runtimes first.
Cheers!
37 • Fedora + Google (by digiblooms on 2018-05-16 04:28:41 GMT from Australia)
* Comprehensive Fedora review. A quality distro, that can sometimes detect hardware that other distros can't. Boxes is especially useful - a distrohopper's besta-testa, if you like. Don't care for Gnome though, it's too cumbersome.
* The way things are going, Google will have the second most number of OS's compared to Linux - with Android OS, Chrome OS, Fuchsia OS, Project Vault OS (defunct?), and probably more in the future.
38 • Fedora and Gnome (by Andy on 2018-05-16 15:00:43 GMT from United States)
@7 - I could not agree more. Having tried Gnome 3.xx numerous times I find that it takes more time to simply set up all my windows and various apps on multiple desktops than it's worth. Efficient? Please... Try dragging and dropping a file from nautilus into a browser window on a small laptop and tell me how that's a step in the right direction.
I return again and again to KDE, which vastly speeds up my workflow and looks every bit as nice as Gnome. How are the big distributions not doing the same? Another nice point about KDE is its flexibility. One could set it up to be every bit as inaccessible and wonky as Gnome if preferred.
39 • Snaps (by Justin on 2018-05-16 16:56:34 GMT from United States)
@29: You raised an interesting question for me. In a world of fake news and misdirection, I suppose it's possible that one might intentionally poison competing formats to discredit them and discourage their use. Breaking down trust breaks down society--nothing functions in the absence of trust. The best we can do is to verify where we can (or build in systems that force accountability) and don't become breakers of trust ourselves.
40 • @38 (by Angel on 2018-05-17 00:32:22 GMT from Philippines)
Ok. I just dragged and dropped a file to a browser window? What's the problem? KDE can be a beautiful DE. Recently I installed Manjaro, KaOS, Kubuntu and Bluestar. With the Latte dock, I set up KDE to look and work as I want. Still too many bells, whistles and complexities. I chose to use Gnome with Plank. My choice. I like its simplicity. Should I start feeling deprived of all the adjusting and messing around, I can always install Cinnamon or Mate, Still, KDE is a fine DE. Enjoy!
41 • @40 (by Andy on 2018-05-17 11:23:09 GMT from United States)
I should have been more clear. I believe Gnome enthusiasts suggest setting up different apps on different virtual desktops. For example, on the cheap 11" laptop I travel with, I usually have Firefox full-screen on desktop 1, a few nautilus windows and maybe a terminal on desktop 2, and libreoffice writer full screen on desktop 3. From that point, dragging a file from nautilus into firefox is quite a bit more time-consuming than it is on a traditional desktop (KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, etc.). From Firefox, hit super button. Click desktop 2. Select relevant nautilus window and drag to desktop 1. Click super button. Drag and drop file. Click super button. Drag nautilus window back down to desktop 2. Click desktop 1. Click super window. I know there are keyboard shortcuts for much/all of this, but still doesn't that seem like a lot of extra work (see below)?
In KDE, I also have Firefox maximized. Click dolphin in panel to restore, drag/drop file, click minimize on dolphin. Done. Maybe there's a better way? I have to use OneDrive for work, so I am *constantly* dragging and dropping files...
My point is that KDE, out of the box, works the way most people expect. Gnome seems to now be the DE that requires adjusting, plugins, extensions just to get it to the way that people work. Obviously not a new complaint. I just don't get why it seems so popular.
42 • @40 (by Darryl on 2018-05-17 13:38:34 GMT from United States)
First off, I'm a Linux noob.
I've tried MATE, KDE, and Gnome desktops. MATE is ok, KDE is easy and most like Windows IMHO and Gnome just plain sucks.
Gnome is just too aggravating for someone like myself trying to dump Windows.
Most people who use computers aren't geeks. Gnome seems to be designed from the ground up for the super geek who enjoys memorizing a thousand key combos to get anything done in a timely fashion. Another annoyance is the stupid tablet interface. I don't need huge icons on a 26" desktop monitor.
The one thing Microsoft and Apple got right is they designed their systems to be usable by the computer illiterate. You know... normal people.
Linux has so much wasted potential because the creators of desktop environments forget that.
43 • Manjaro slow update server speed. (by fanfi777 on 2018-05-17 13:43:41 GMT from United States)
Right now I am testing and updating Manjaro here in the US. 870M will take about 807 min according to stats at the bottom of the update page. Mind you ,I am on a fast speed internet. With such a lousy stat I find myself wondering how Manjaro got so high on the totem pole.
44 • @41 (by Angel on 2018-05-17 13:57:26 GMT from Philippines)
Seems to me that you are making it way too difficult. One app per workspace is not mandatory nor useful many cases. With Firefox and Nautilus open, Alt+Tab to focus Nautilus and drag all you want. Or Super for Overview, click on Nautilus to focus, same again. Or you can use a dock, as I do, or the dash to dock extension, and then you can click same as if on a panel. Ubuntu's version already gives you a dock on the side which can also be set to hide to save screen space.
Yes, I do some tweaking, but I would do the same in KDE. If you look at the latest release of Bluestar Linux, that's more to my liking. My point is that if you like KDE, by all means use it and be happy. If that were my only choice, I'd use it happily too, but I prefer something else, and just because one prefers this over that is no reason to try to demean that which you don't use.
People complain about Gnome forcing you to do this or that. Forcing? Really? These developers work on their dream desktop, and they offer it for free (as in beer). Offer, not force. I like it. Others don't. Okay with me. As the old saying went, different strokes for different folks.
45 • @43 (by Sam on 2018-05-17 15:15:16 GMT from Philippines)
Hi. Just like most linux distributions, Manjaro allows you to tweak your mirrorlist to get the best download / update speed possible relative to your location. You can do so either by using the GUI package manager (pamac or octopi) or by using the command-line (pacman-mirrors). If you prefer to do it manually, you can also edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist by hand using a suitable text editor of your choice to prioritize the download mirrors nearest to your location.
46 • @42 (by Angel on 2018-05-17 15:37:13 GMT from Philippines)
And someone came to your house and told you to use Gnome or else? Darryl, if you use Windows, or Macs, (I do use Windows too) you get one choice of desktop. You can tweak a few things, but not many. Linux offers you many choices. You don't like one, use another. Seems to me that you are not looking for Linux, you are looking for a Windows Wannabe. You want it to be like Windows, go ahead, but don't tell me my choice sucks just because you aren't capable of using it. I'm 72 years old and still willing to try new and different things. Don't know how old you are, but if you must be spoon fed, that's your choice.
47 • @43 (by vern on 2018-05-17 18:20:54 GMT from United States)
How come you got so far behind in your updates, if you needed 807MB.
I'm unsure if that's updates or if your downloading the current ISO.
FYI. My manjaro updates have always been fast. I'm also in the US.
48 • PC desktops (by M.Z. on 2018-05-17 22:38:46 GMT from United States)
@46
Why be so aggressive toward someone who tried your preferred desktop & thinks it sucks? It seems that these Linux DEs are out there wanting to be tried by any & all potential Linux users, doesn't it?
It just so happens that most traditional PC users are likely to find stock Gnome to be be a very bad option. The UI is meant for people like you that like to do things differently & when other people try it & hate it they may well say so. You don't win any converts by attacking people for their poor opinion of Gnome. You just make them hate Gnome more.
@42
"The one thing Microsoft and Apple got right is they designed their systems to be usable by the computer illiterate. ... Linux has so much wasted potential because the creators of desktop environments forget that."
I think it's well worth pointing out that much of the software in Gnome is reused to great effect in Cinnamon. I agree that Gnome has become fairly terrible since version 3 came out: however, Cinnamon uses Gnome software quite heavily & even gives back some improvements to the upstream project while producing an excellent traditional PC desktop.
Anyway, the point is that while Gnome 3 is a total waste for regular desktop users, a good deal of it does get reused elsewhere. If Gnome 3 were closed source like Win & Mac, then it would be a total waste & truly worthless junk for most potential Linux users. Luckily it is GPL licensed, which makes it 'Free & Open Source Software' & that makes the code available for reuse in other projects like Cinnamon. Personally I find Cinnamon, KDE & XFCE too all be really good options for those who like a traditional PC desktop. I think there are plenty of good options, though I'd steer people clear of Gnome unless they said they wanted something fairly different from a regular desktop.
49 • Gnome (by lupus on 2018-05-18 06:41:35 GMT from Germany)
When people turn away from Microsoft in order to find something different, I'm glad there is gnome cause it's different. While it suits my needs perfectly it is to heavy on the older hardware which was one of the main reasons to turn away from Microsoft in the firstplace. KDE tries so hard to become Windows that only the hardened Desktop tinkerers with newer Hardware seem to like it. I simply hate it cause I wanted something fresh, a new approach. And that's the reason why Linux does make sense. You try out new things, learn so much in doing so. At the moment I'm with the deepin desktop cause it does so many things right from the start, same with budgie which I still like even against the Solus Software obstacles.
I like it when a DE is usable right from the getgo if it's too slow or I will have to make more than say 3 alterations to work for me, I'm goint to be looking in another direction but certainly never again going closed source.
50 • @48 (by Angel on 2018-05-18 07:26:58 GMT from Philippines)
There is a difference between trying something like a desktop and declaring it sucks. The first is a personal preference, the second is a put-down of the product and those who offer it . "I don't like it so therefore it must suck since I am sole judge of all that is good.."
I am not an evangelist seeking converts. I don't give a damn who uses what DE or not, or whether they use Linux or not for that matter.
51 • Correction Re: 50 (by Angel on 2018-05-18 10:28:12 GMT from Philippines)
Difference between trying and not liking and declaring it sucks.
52 • @49 (by Pat on 2018-05-18 12:14:15 GMT from Canada)
"KDE tries so hard to become Windows that only the hardened Desktop tinkerers with newer Hardware seem to like it."
I have tried Gnome and had to spend hours "tinkering" with it, not knowing anything about tweak tools or extensions, I had to figure this stuff out, trying different extensions to make it usable.
With KDE I opened up the systems settings and checked or unchecked a few boxes and within 10 minutes I was up and running.
As far as newer hardware, my computer is a 8yr old generic Acer I got at Walmart, KDE idles at 400M of ram while Gnome is sluggish consuming over 1G of ram at idle.
53 • MATE (by Tim Dowd on 2018-05-18 16:10:58 GMT from United States)
I don't have much to contribute to this discussion- I generally agree with the sentiment that a strength of Linux is that we have desktop choice and that most of this is preference.
That said, I don't understand why MATE doesn't get more highly praised on the list of desktops. I can't think of a single fault it has right now- it's full featured, based on GTK 3, highly customizable. I can't figure out why it's not the default on more distributions. It's the closest to "just works" I've ever found in a desktop.
54 • Opinion Poll (by on 2018-05-18 20:07:04 GMT from France)
Atomic updates versus live patching. Can we stick to this weeks Opinion Poll? No disrespect, there is very smart people commenting on this forum, and I always enjoy reading the content, but this Gnome talk is starting getting somehow aggravating, leading no where. Do not want to step on anybody s feet, but this Gnome talk is boring.
55 • Implied Opinion (by M.Z. on 2018-05-18 22:08:17 GMT from United States)
@48
"There is a difference between trying something like a desktop and declaring it sucks. The first is a personal preference..."
#42 said he tried a few DE, used IMHO to describe one, & then declared that Gnome sucked in a way that implied it was also an _Opinion_. You seem to take offence at others opinions easily. I also have bad feelings about Gnome & hear plenty of slams against my preferred KDE: however I try not to take offence. I do try to correct misrepresentations like #52 did, but that's it. Try not to take offence at an opinion, it makes life happier for everyone.
56 • Gnome, KDE, & Rust (by Andi from Indonesia on 2018-05-20 09:15:46 GMT from Indonesia)
I used to a long time original gnome fan and dislike windowish KDE trinity really much, back when i was a collage student. When modern gnome came, i make shift to xfce then recently accidentally to KDE plasma, then i surprised how light, easy, modern and professional it is, It's a perfect fit to me. I keep on trying to love new gnome but i cant, i cant go back to Mate either.
I want to see rust's operating system in the database or any review.
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