| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 754, 12 March 2018
Welcome to this year's 11th issue of DistroWatch Weekly!
Two of the world's most famous rolling release distributions are Gentoo and Arch Linux. These projects tend to be well regarded for their cutting edge software, extensive ports/packages systems and flexibility. This week we begin by checking in on two popular children of the Arch and Gentoo families: Sabayon and Antergos. Then, in our News section, we discuss a new fork of Container Linux featuring commercial support and changes to the Solus software manager. We also talk about the OpenBSD, FreeBSD and the Clang compiler projects getting fixes for the Meltdown and Spectre CPU flaws. Plus we talk about Fedora getting an IoT edition, Manjaro's new ARM builds and fresh installation media from Debian. In our Questions and Answers column we talk about the growing size of the Linux kernel over time and whether its expansion is a cause for concern. In our Opinion Poll we check in to see how our readers feel about the resource usage of their distributions. Plus we are pleased to list the releases of the past week and share the torrents we are seeding. We wish you all a wonderful week and happy reading!
- Review: Sabayon and Antergos
- News: Kinvolk announces fork of Container, improvements to the Solus software manager, OpenBSD and Clang patch CPU bugs, Fedora's IoT edition, Manjaro builds for ARM devices, Debian updates install media
- Questions and answers: The size of the Linux kernel
- Released last week: KaOS 2018.03, siduction 18.2.0, SparkyLinux 5.3
- Torrent corner: Android-x86, Archman, HardenedBSD, KaOS, Neptune, Netrunner, OSMC, Plop, Robolinux, siduction, Sparky, Zenwalk
- Upcoming releases: Tails 3.6
- Opinion poll: The size of your distribution
- New distributions: TinyPaw-Linux
- Reader comments
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|Feature Story (by Jesse Smith)
Sabayon is a Gentoo-based distribution which is available in many desktop editions as well as a server edition. Sabayon strives to provide a working system out-of-the-box, saving the user a lot of time when it comes to configuring the operating system. Sabayon provides several categories of installation media. The project uses a rolling release model and the distribution's many editions are provided in Stable, Monthly and Daily snapshots. It has been about a year since the last Stable set of installation media was produced and so I decided to explore one of the monthly snapshots.
I began with the MATE edition of Sabayon's Monthly snapshot, a 2GB download which I confirmed downloaded properly using the distribution's checksums. Booting from the live media brought up a menu asking if we would like to start a live desktop environment, launch a text-based installer, start in safe mode or launch a live text console. I was surprised when taking the live desktop option booted the distribution to a text console and showed me a login prompt.
From the login prompt I was able to sign in as the root user without a password (I was unable to find another login username). I then tried running the startx command to launch a live copy of the MATE desktop, but this action did not go as planned. I ended up with a minimal graphical environment and a virtual terminal, but no desktop. This surprised me as past versions of Sabayon I have used did supply a working desktop environment on the installation media and the project's documentation suggests this should still be the case.
I then tried booting the Sabayon MATE media into a safe graphics mode and tried the text installation option. Both boot options brought me back to the text console and a login prompt. There was no clear way to get from there to running the installer.
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I next downloaded the LXQt edition of Sabayon's Monthly snapshot. The download for the LXQt flavour is 1.8GB in size. After verifying the media's checksum, I tried booting into the live desktop mode, the safe graphics mode and the text installer. All three options brought me to the same text console with a login prompt, just as the MATE edition had. This prevented me from exploring the live desktop and the system installer. It appears this inability to launch the live desktop affected all editions of the Sabayon Monthly snapshot.
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Giving up on Sabayon for the moment, I next turned my attention to Antergos, a rolling release, Arch-based distribution. Antergos takes a different approach to providing desktop flavours than Sabayon. Where Sabayon has many different installation images, one for each desktop flavour, Antergos offers just Minimal and Full install discs. The Antergos installer then provides us with an install time choice of which desktop to use.
I first tried downloading the Antergos torrent file, but the speed was quite slow, well under 100kB/s and I switched over to the direct download which provided me with speeds over 2MB/s. The full sized ISO is 1.9GB in size and booting from the provided media asks us if we'd like to boot from the local hard drive, start a live desktop environment or boot to a text console. Taking the desktop option loads the GNOME desktop.
Antergos 18.2 -- The Cnchi installer
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The live GNOME desktop has a panel placed at the top of the screen which holds the GNOME Activities menu, a clock and the system tray. There is a dock down the left side of the screen. The dock features launchers for commonly used applications and the system installer. The bottom icon on the dock opens a full screen grid of application launchers. I did not spend much time with the GNOME desktop, deciding to jump right into the installer.
Antergos uses a custom graphical installer called Cnchi. This installer updates itself when the live desktop first launches, insuring we always have the latest version of Cnchi. The installer, for the most part, is a lot like Ubuntu's Ubiquity installer or the distro-neutral Calamares installer. We are walked through selecting our preferred language, region of the world and time zone. We are asked to select which desktop environment we want to use with options including Cinnamon, Deepin, GNOME, KDE Plasma, MATE and Xfce. We can also go with the Openbox window manager or a text console with no graphical interface. Unfortunately we cannot select multiple desktops at install time in order to try out different environments. I decided to try the Deepin desktop.
The next screen of the installer asks us to customize which applications and features are added to Antergos. On this page we can choose to install such optional packages as the Chromium and Firefox web browsers, the OpenSSH service, Steam, PlayOnLinux, printing support, Bluetooth and accessibility packages. I kept things pretty light, installing Firefox, LibreOffice and a firewall manager. The installer then asks if we would like to sort the priority of package mirrors or let the system do it for us.
One of the last screens of the installer deals with disk partitioning. The installer offers us guided options where we can have LVM or ZFS volumes set up for us and choose whether our /home directory should be kept on its own volume. Alternatively we can use the manual partitioning approach which offers a very easy, streamlined approach to creating file systems. I found it worth noting that while the guided partitioning options include a ZFS option, the manual partitioning screen does not. Most other file systems can be accessed manually, including Btrfs, ext4, f2fs and XFS.
The first time I tried to set up Antergos, I went with the automated ZFS partitioning option as I am a big fan of ZFS snapshots. Unfortunately, halfway through the install process, Cnchi crashed and was unable to recover. I then went through the installer's steps again, taking the same desktop and package options, but using the ext4 file system. The second time through the installer completed successfully.
When I got Antergos installed, the system booted to a graphical login screen where a pop-up greeted me saying: "An error was detected in the current theme that could interfere with the system login process." We are then asked to select an action: load the default theme, load a fallback theme or cancel. Trying to take the fallback theme just caused the same error to appear over and over again. Taking the default theme made my screen go blank for a few seconds and then I was shown a clock I could click on to start the login process. The theme error returned each time I booted the system, so apparently the default theme does not stick across reboots.
Antergos 18.2 -- Running Deepin Music and the Deepin File Manager
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The first time I logged into my account a full screen message appeared which announced: "Welcome, system updated successfully. Current edition: rolling." Clicking an Enter button under the text completed the login process and brought me to the Deepin desktop. The update message did not return during later logins.
Once signed in, the Deepin desktop appeared with a dock at the bottom of the screen. The desktop is otherwise empty most of the time. One button on the dock opens a full screen display of application icons. Another button opens the Deepin settings and notification panel which is displayed down the right side of the screen. The desktop was responsive, stable and worked well in my test environments. For readers interested in the Deepin desktop's special features, I covered it in more detail in another review earlier this year.
Antergos 18.2 -- The Deepin application menu
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While playing with Antergos, I ran the distribution on two test systems. When run in a VirtualBox environment Antergos worked well and automatically integrated with the virtual environment. This allowed the distribution to make full use of my host computer's screen resolution. The distribution also performed well on my desktop computer, running quickly and smoothly. Antergos running Deepin without extra background services (such as Bluetooth or OpenSSH) used about 500MB of memory. My relatively minimal collection of add-on packages (Firefox, LibreOffice and GUFW) took up about 6.5GB of disk space.
Unless we choose to include a lot of add-on packages during the install process, Antergos offers a pretty small collection of applications. Deepin applications, such as Deepin Movie, Deepin Music, Deepin file Manager and the Deepin Terminal, are included. We also have access to a text editor, system monitor, calendar and image viewer. Network Manager is present to help us get on-line and the GNU Compiler Collection is present to help us build software. Antergos uses the systemd init implementation and runs on Linux 4.15, though newer kernels will become available through the distribution's rolling release model.
Antergos 18.2 -- Using LibreOffice and configuring the firewall
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Of course we have the option of installing additional applications and here I ran into an unusual quirk of the distribution. In the application menu there are three entries for managing software: Software Update (which launches Pamac), Software (which opens GNOME Software), and Add/Remove Software (which again opens Pamac). Either Pamac launcher would work, opening the package manager and giving us easy access to new packages, categories of software we can browse and new updates.
The GNOME Software application would launch, but it was unable to work with the Antergos repositories and all categories displayed in GNOME Software (and all searches) showed only blank screens. I am uncertain why GNOME Software was included, but it was useless on this system. As an alternative to both GNOME Software and Pamac we can use the Pacman command line package manager which is well known for its speed and short command line parameters.
Antergos 18.2 -- Pamac (foreground) and GNOME Software (in the background)
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For the most part, using Antergos went smoothly. I have been finding the Pamac package manager increasingly pleasant to use lately. I like its speed and the organization of files strikes a pretty good balance between making things easy to find and giving the user direct access to low-level packages.
I very much like the Deepin settings panel. The way it makes the settings options one big, long page where we can jump to a specific section is great. Especially early on this layout is excellent because I do not need to jump into a series of modules. I can simply scroll through everything and tweak any settings I want to adjust in one, quick browse through the settings. This makes customizing Deepin faster than customizing GNOME or KDE's Plasma.
Antergos 18.2 -- The Deepin settings panel
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My time with Antergos was not all great. I did run into situations where the window manager would lock up. This meant applications continued to work, but I could not move windows, click on anything or open new desktop programs. Killing the runaway window manager process from a terminal would fix the issue.
This was a rough week for me testing distributions and a reminder that while rolling release distributions can be useful and convenient for those who want to stay up to date with the latest software, periodic snapshots is not an ideal way to maintain quality control. The user ends up getting whatever packages are in the repository at the time the installation media is created, for better or worse. And, in this case, I ended up facing some serious bugs.
The two Sabayon Monthly images I tried were pretty much useless, failing to provide access to an installer or live desktop environment. The Antergos image was better, but still featured a number of issues, such as crashing when trying to use ZFS, displaying theme errors on the login screen and I ran into instability issues with the window manager. The inclusion of a non-functional copy of GNOME Software in the distribution may be a simple oversight, the result of the Deepin desktop package pulling in an extra software manager. However, that would suggest to me that the current version of the Deepin desktop hasn't been thoroughly tested by the Antergos community.
Both of these distributions have a lot to offer - lots of convenient desktops, up to date packages and, in theory at least, Antergos offers ZFS support out of the box. I especially like that Antergos lets us customize so much of our software up front. However, in practise, the monthly snapshots of both distributions had some flaws I think will turn away casually curious users.
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Hardware used in this review
My physical test equipment for this review was a desktop HP Pavilon p6 Series with the following specifications:
- Processor: Dual-core 2.8GHz AMD A4-3420 APU
- Storage: 500GB Hitachi hard drive
- Memory: 6GB of RAM
- Networking: Realtek RTL8111 wired network card
- Display: AMD Radeon HD 6410D video card
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Visitor supplied rating
Antergos has a visitor supplied average rating of: 8.2/10 from 272 review(s).
Have you used Antergos? You can leave your own review of the project on our ratings page.
|Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith)
Kinvolk announces fork of Container, improvements to the Solus software manager, OpenBSD and Clang patch CPU bugs, Fedora's IoT edition, Manjaro builds for ARM devices
Container Linux is a minimal server distribution which includes specialized tools to keep the system up to date. Container Linux was recently acquired by Red Hat. Following the acquisition, a company called Kinvolk has announced they will be releasing a fork of Container Linux called Flatcar Linux. The Flatcar Linux website states: "We do not foresee Flatcar Linux significantly diverging from the upstream Container Linux project in the near-term. Changes mostly consist of a set of patches to remove trademarked terms. Ideally, this would continue to be the only changes. Flatcar Linux will only diverge from the upstream project if fundamental changes are made to it. In this respect, one can view Flatcar Linux as a guaranteer of the Container Linux project as it is today."
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The Solus team has announced changes are coming to the distribution's software manager. The overhaul to the software manager includes faster start times and more responsive controls. The interface is more flexible, allowing the user to navigate with mouse, keyboard or touch. "As a result of the redesign, the Software Center starts very quickly, and feels good to use. Users are not left waiting ages for content to appear, and can instead focus on discovering software to help them, rather than navigating arbitrary lists of packages. We've also been having discussions on improving the integration of the Third Party repository. Instead of a dedicated Third Party section, we'll be leveraging the upcoming Software Center's plugin-based architecture, making a Third Party repo plugin and enable Third Party items to be surfaced alongside native repo items throughout the browsing experience, so you could expect to see Google Chrome in the Web Browsers category, Slack and Skype for Linux in Instant Messaging, and so on. Like we'll be doing with snaps in a future release of the Software Center (post Solus 4), we'll visually differentiate Third Party items to communicate to the user where the software is coming from." Details on current and planned changes can be found in the project's news post.
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At the beginning of the year we discussed two significant flaws in commonly used CPUs which could cause malicious programs to steal data from other processes. These CPU bugs were commonly referred to as Meltdown and Spectre. While developers of popular operating systems such as Linux, Windows and macOS were quietly told about the CPU bugs and given time to work around them before news of the exploits went public, developers of other open source operating systems, like the BSDs, were not given this courtesy. This left BSD and compiler developers to scramble to catch up with fixes for these two classes of hardware flaws.
OpenBSD lead the pack in publishing patches to deal with the CPU bugs, and other projects have been quick to follow. FreeBSD is currently working on patches which should be available soon and the Clang compiler team has also included Spectre fixes in the compiler's 6.0.0 release.
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The Fedora project will soon be getting a new edition designed to work on Internet of Things (IoT) devices. IoT operating systems are generally lightweight, virtually always on-line and need to be both stable and able to handle updates without user interaction. According to this blog post, the new IoT branch will be an official edition of the Fedora project and be supported by its own Working Group. "So the Fedora Council has approved my proposal of IoT as a Council Objective. I did a presentation on my IoT proposal to the council a few weeks ago and we had an interesting and wide ranging discussion on IoT and what it means to Fedora. I was actually expecting IoT to be a Spin with a SIG to cover it but the Council decided it would be best to go the whole way and make it an Official Edition with a Working Group to back it! Amazing! One of the side effects of IoT being an accepted Objective is that the Objective Lead has a seat on the Council." Information on the IoT edition's mission and goals can be found on the Fedora wiki.
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The Manjaro Linux project is working towards providing ARM builds for single-board computers such as the Raspberry Pi. In a forum post titled Manjaro-ARM relaunch, one of the developers talked about what components are in place for Manjaro's ARM branch and what work is left to do: "I am proud to announce, that we are almost there. What we have ready now: Build server to build the Manjaro specific packages. Repo server to sync packages from Arch Linux ARM and putting our own in. A couple of mirrors doing daily syncs. A test minimal image of Manjaro-ARM 18.022 to get started. Only Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 are supported at the moment. A couple of package managers. Website is getting rebuilt. What we still need to really get going: Image/Edition maintainers, willing to produce install images for various devices. More package maintainers, mainly kernel maintainers. Image testers. We need testers with RPI 2/3s, Odroids and Beaglebones. More mirrors are always welcome. The mirror would need about 50GB of space. (repo is around 30GB now)."
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The Debian project is updating the distribution's installation media. While the new media does not feature a new version of Debian, it does offer packages containing bug fixes and security patches that have become available since the release of Debian 9 "Stretch". The new installation images carry the version number 9.4.0. A list of bug fixes and download links can be found in the project's announcement.
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These and other news stories can be found on our Headlines page.
|Questions and Answers (by Jesse Smith)
The size of the Linux kernel
Watching-things-grow asks: With all the drivers being added to Linux, I wonder how big the kernel will get in the future. How much bloat does the kernel add?
DistroWatch answers: Relative to the hardware resources (disk space and memory) available on most modern computers, the Linux kernel, despite its many available drivers, is not very large. When measuring the size of the kernel we can mostly focus on two aspects: the size of the core kernel that gets loaded into memory, and the total size of the optional drivers which are only loaded into memory as needed. Most hardware support is provided through modules which are stored on our disk and only loaded when needed. This means our system's memory usage does not need to expand as the kernel gains additional hardware support as unused drivers are simply left on the disk.
So, how big is the Linux kernel? On my MX Linux system the kernel itself is about 4MB and there is about another 187MB of optional, loadable modules. In all, the whole kernel with all its optional hardware support takes up a little less than 200MB of disk space. On the minimal OviOS distribution the kernel's total on-disk size comes to about 62MB. Enso OS, which is built using Ubuntu packages, has a core kernel of about 7MB and 209MB of modules on the disk.
Around 216MB of disk space on the upper end may seem like a lot of storage for a kernel, but very little of those modules are loaded into memory when the kernel is running. Usually Linux just requires the core kernel and a small selection of modules to handle the video card, printer and other add-ons. If you are wondering just how much space your kernel takes up in memory you can run the following command to get a rough overview:
dmesg | grep Memory
The kernel's size in memory will likely be a little under 10MB. When we consider that even low-end laptops, modern smart phones and most single board computers (such as the Raspberry Pi) have at least 1,000MB of memory, we can see the kernel is not using a significant amount of space.
The kernel does grow over time. If we look back about 14 years, there was an informal poll on LinuxQuestions which shows the core Linux kernel tended to range from just under 1MB in size, up to about 2MB. So the kernel does gradually get larger over time, but most of that growth is in the optional modules which sit on disk and do not use up our system's memory. And all those optional modules, even on heavier distributions like Ubuntu, are still only using about 200MB of disk space.
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More answers can be found in our Questions and Answers archive.
|Released Last Week
KaOS is an independent, rolling release distribution which focuses on providing polished desktop experience using KDE and Qt-based software. The latest snapshot of the project's installation media includes many rebuilt packages, KDE Plasma 5.12 LTS and includes the Falkon web browser. "A GCC 7.3.0, Glibc 2.26 and Binutils 2.30 based new toolchain has moved to all users. This new toolchain required a rather large rebuild of many packages. Since this also includes new systemd, Filesystem and Mkinitcpio. it is fair to say the whole base of your system will be replaced. Upstream has combined all the tiny, fully mature proto packages into one, Xorgproto package, which for KaOS users means replacing some twenty five proto packages with Xorgproto. There was also a move to Qt 5.10.1 and Plasma 5.12, thus it will be clear a new ISO is due. Falkon has replaced QupZilla as the default web browser. Falkon is a continuation of QupZilla, now developed on KDE development infrastructure." Further information cen be found in the project's release announcement.
Ferdinand Thommes has announced the release of siduction 18.2.0, a set of rolling-release distributions based on Debian's "unstable" branch and featuring the latest versions of a number of popular desktop environments: "Today we are proud to release siduction 2018.2.0 with the KDE, LXQt, GNOME, Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce, LXDE, X.Org and noX flavours. The released images are a snapshot of Debian 'unstable' from 2018-03-04. They are enhanced with some useful packages and scripts, an installer based on Calamares and a custom-patched version of the Linux kernel 4.15.7, accompanied by X.Org Server 1.19.5 and systemd 237. KDE Plasma stands at version 5.12.2, while GNOME comes in at 3.26 with some packages still at 3.24. LXQt ships at 0.12.0 and Xfce at 4.12.4, while Cinnamon comes in at 3.4.6 and MATE at 1.20.0." Here are the full release notes.
SparkyLinux is a Debian-based distribution featuring many editions and desktop flavours. The project's latest release is SparkyLinux 5.3, which is a rolling release platform based on Debian's Testing branch. "Changes: Full system upgrade from Debian Testing repos as of March 7, 2018. Linux kernel 4.15.4 as default (4.15.8-sparky is available in Sparky 'unstable' repo). The default system installer, Calamares, updated up to version 3.1.12. Added packages to support Btrfs and XFS file systems. Cleaning out old files configs. Added new tool for cleaning your system from old files and configs: BleachBit. Missing language package installer (a part of APTus) has gotten GNOME, KDE and Qt language package installation option. gdebi has been removed; local-stored debs can be installed via APTus-> Install-> Install package. CLI edition has been re-configured; it uses sudo as default after installing it on a hard drive as well." Further details can be found in the project's release announcement.
Neptune is a Linux distribution based on Debian's Stable branch. The project's latest release, Neptune 5.0 "Refresh", is based on Debian 9 Stretch and includes KDE's Plasma 5.12 LTS desktop. Version 4.14 of the Linux kernel has been backported to provide additional hardware support: "This version marks a new iteration within the Neptune universe. It switches its base to the current Debian Stable "Stretch" version and also changes slightly the way we will provide updates for Neptune. We will no longer strive to bring in more recent versions of Plasma, kernel or other software on our own. With Snaps, Flatpaks and AppImages being more and more popular and mature these days we strongly believe these are the ways to go if you want to try out bleeding edge software. We on the other hand strive to provide the most stable and best desktop user experience out there. This is why we decided you to provide the latest LTS release of Plasma version 5.12 together with KDE Applications 17.12 as well as KDE Frameworks 5.43. For good hardware support we provide Linux Kernel 4.14 from the Debian Stretch Backports repository. This ensures also up to date kernel updates in the future for improved security. " Further information and screen shots can be found in the project's release announcement.
Neptune 5.0 -- Running the Plasma desktop
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Netrunner is a Debian-based Linux distribution featuring the KDE Plasma desktop. The project has launched a new version, Netrunner 18.03, which builds on Debian's Testing branch and includes the Plasma 5.12 LTS desktop, version 4.14 of the Linux kernel, LibreOffice 6 and Firefox 58. "Netrunner 18.03 ships the latest packages from Debian's Testing snapshot repository. From 18.03 onwards, we also decided to include even more packages directly from upstream, so it will be most compatible when enabling the continously updating testing repo. Compared to the previous 17.10 release, 18.03 comes with the following updates: KDE Plasma 5.12.2, KDE Frameworks 5.42, KDE Applications 17.08.3, Qt 5.9.2, Linux Kernel 4.14, Firefox Quantum 58.0.1, Thunderbird 52.6.0, LibreOffice 6.0.2" Additional details and screen shots can be found in the project's release announcement.
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
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|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Summary of expected upcoming releases
The size of your distribution
In this week's Questions and Answers column we talked about the size of the Linux kernel and how it, like most software, grows in size over time. Now, we would like to find out how you feel about the size of your operating system. When you look at the amount of resources (disk space, memory, CPU usage) your operating system is consuming, do you think lean enough or is it too heavy for your needs and hardware?
You can see the results of our previous poll on KDE Plasma's best new features in last week's edition. All previous poll results can be found in our poll archives.
The size of your distribution
|My OS is too heavy for my needs/hardware: ||268 (14%)|
| My OS is very lean and fast on my hardware: ||769 (40%)|
| My OS is about average for my hardware: ||892 (46%)|
Distributions added to waiting list
- TinyPaw-Linux. TinyPaw-Linux is a penetration testing distribution for networking and wireless auditing. TinyPaw-Linux is based on Tiny Core Linux.
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DistroWatch database summary
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This concludes this week's issue of DistroWatch Weekly. The next instalment will be published on Monday, 19 March 2018. Past articles and reviews can be found through our Article Search page. To contact the authors please send e-mail to:
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|Reader Comments • Jump to last comment
1 • size of my distribution (by Tux Raider on 2018-03-12 00:46:04 GMT from United States) |
my install of debian testing has 2015 packages, i am sure i could bloat it up with a kitchen sink install but i started out with a custom bare bones install and added only what i needed after that, runs quite well for me
2 • Antergos & Sabayon (by linuxista on 2018-03-12 01:11:08 GMT from United States)
>Unfortunately, halfway through the install process, Cnchi crashed and was unable to recover.
Cnchi is too ambitious. It's failed both times I've tried it, each time years apart. Much better off with Anarchy or a respin that uses Calamares like ArchLabs.
>This was a rough week for me testing distributions and a reminder that while rolling release distributions can be useful and convenient for those who want to stay up to date with the latest software, periodic snapshots is not an ideal way to maintain quality control.
This just has to do with bad quality control by the devs on these respins. Antergos' theme is from its own repo, and there's no excuse for it not working. It works quite well to release an iso with whatever the current snapshot of the repos is, e.g. Manjaro. Don't think there's much of a basis for extrapolating the problems with Antergos and Sabayon trying to offer a whole range of pre-configured non-mainstream desktops to rolling install media in general.
3 • Distros on my hardware (by jwjones on 2018-03-12 01:28:10 GMT from United States)
The distros I run on my hardware are both lean and fast: Slackware -current on my ThinkPad T61 with 8GB RAM, with XFCE, and Gentoo on my Dell Optiplex 980 with 8GB RAM, also with XFCE. On a fresh boot, both idle at less than 200MB of RAM used.
4 • Sabayon (by bison on 2018-03-12 02:50:20 GMT from United States)
I had the same experience with Sabayon about three weeks ago. I did not investigate the problem; I just assumed it was due to my "newish" integrated Intel graphics, but I guess not. Hopefully they will fix this soon.
5 • size of my distribution (by Andy Figueroa on 2018-03-12 02:51:11 GMT from United States)
Running reasonably optimized Gentoo with LXDE and occasionally XFCE on the desktop. Very fast. Kernel is 5.9 M but the only modules I load are VirtualBox and network interfaces :
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 8156524 1014380 891236 53248 6250908 7039956
Swap: 8919764 48308 8871456
The only reason any swap is used because I recently compiled Chromium which I don't plan on keeping. It's a hog.
6 • dmesg | grep (Memory size) (by Greg Zeng on 2018-03-12 02:53:47 GMT from Australia)
dmesg | grep Memory
"The kernel's size in memory will likely be a little under ... "
Thanks for the terminal command line. On my Android phone (7.1.1) the above command does not work ("Termux" seems the best Android terminal emulator) . The newish phone is not yet rooted, so this is needed first. Other details will be posted after rooting.
7 • Installer issues & buggy distros (by Brenton Horne on 2018-03-12 02:56:36 GMT from Australia)
CentOS and Fedora's installer (Anaconda) is also very temperamental for me. Sometimes so much so that it makes it impossible to install the distros, so it's not just rollers that face such an issue. Recently I've had an issue where distros running the 4.15.4 or later kernel and systemd won't boot properly (https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5829610), so yes I've been burned by rollers, however. Granted Fedora also suffers from this affliction.
8 • Fedora IoT (by LiuYan on 2018-03-12 04:06:10 GMT from China)
I'm wondering, is there an IoT edition for amd64 or i686/i386 architecture? I'm interested in the 'lightweight/lean' feature of IoT edition.
9 • Antergos (by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on 2018-03-12 06:36:28 GMT from United States)
I've mostly been running Antergos since I dropped out of the Fedora cycle during the late stages of 26 Beta - call it April of last year. I'm pretty much a GNOME desktop fanatic - I have a lot of muscle memory there and a few years on Fedora are ingrained.
I haven't had any of the problems the review noted. There's one minor glitch - unlike most distros where you come up with a user ID and a group ID that are the same, Antergos puts you in as group ID "users". That's not hard to fix, though.
All told I'm pretty happy with Antergos. I think it's the best of the "let's make Arch work for people who don't want to set the time zone by hand" distros.
10 • The size of my distribution (by eee on 2018-03-12 08:02:26 GMT from Poland)
Slackware 14.2, modified to my needs: no desktop environment; just Openbox with customized menu, for launching applications; things, that are not needed, not installed etc...
With X running, it takes under 80 MB of RAM - rest of 4 GB is for applications...
So, I think, it's quite "lean and fast" ;-)
11 • Kernel size (by John on 2018-03-12 08:10:28 GMT from United States)
Most computers have over 1000MB of memory??!!!
Since when??? Mega328P - 6502 - 8052 all run some very impressive software.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a small version of Linux that really ran on small chips!!
Consider RetroBSD.org - REAL BSD running on PIC32MX - 128KB RAM with an attached SD card. And no hidden big brother 'features'!!
Look back at DSL 0.7.3. 50MB CD. Runs great as an Xwindows terminal on a remote Knoppix box.
12 • Size of distribution (by RTL on 2018-03-12 08:38:40 GMT from Hungary)
It's not only my distribution that is big.
Jokes aside, I mostly use my PC for gaming, so a minimal distribution is my preferred one. LXDE, network/video drivers, some codecs, and I have a distribution that runs well on a 10 years old computer, which means UNLIMITED POWER on my current high-end computer. It's light and fast. Efficient and precise at the same time.
13 • Antergos, pretty good (by Bobbity on 2018-03-12 09:06:04 GMT from Sweden)
Personally I use Antergos to get a pretty clean Arch install set up with KDE Plasma on it. I just remove the LightDM they use, swap it for SDDM, then remove the Antergos packages and sources. Takes about five minutes. Of course it leaves some odd packages in there, but 500GB harddrive means that having an odd package manager isn't really a hassle.
So far the installer have never failed me, (cnchi) except when I don't let it update before slamming install - and for my own computers ... well they still work as expected with no hiccups so far a couple of months down the line.
14 • Distribution Size (by Roy on 2018-03-12 09:34:00 GMT from United States)
Good question. When I wanted to install Windows 10 I just deleted all the hard drives; I have four. So I lost my UbuntuMATE in doing so and was told to load Linux last before. And I loaded the Beta 1 for Bionic Beaver of the UbuntuMATE flavor. And everything loaded but the boot loader. And I thought you got to to be kidding me as it was an one TB drive. Windows Defender was all I could think. So now I got Windows 10 one TB drive and UbuntuMATE on another one TB drive. And I got my boot loader on a half TB solid state drive; A dedicated boot loader drive.
15 • Antergos (by Rick Gatewood on 2018-03-12 12:42:31 GMT from United States)
I am surprised at the difficulties you have had with Antergos. In my experience, it has mostly been the easiest Gnome/Arch install ever. I have had occasional trouble with iso images. For the most part, though, I have found the minimal iso to be the fastest easiest way to get a Gnome/Arch system going. If desired, the small number of packages from the Antergos repository can be removed leaving you with stock Arch install, albeit not installed the "Arch" way.
After using Antergos, I became hooked and eventually progressed to installing the "Arch" way.
16 • Sabayon (by dragonmouth on 2018-03-12 13:01:36 GMT from United States)
I have tried Sabayon a few times over the years. The look and feel has always been very nice. However, the GUI package manager was a deal breaker every time. I have been spoiled by Synaptic.
17 • size of my distribution (by Nizari on 2018-03-12 13:10:48 GMT from Spain)
Archlabs linux here. Fast, beautiful, light and efficient.
18 • Sabayon (by I don’t like sabayon pudding on 2018-03-12 13:38:58 GMT from Portugal)
Tried sabayon many times since it was brand new. Always- bloated to the max- buggy- and over ambitious. Avoid, it won’t change after all these years.
19 • Arch Linux & derivatives (by Bushpilot on 2018-03-12 13:40:24 GMT from Canada)
I had very few issues with Antergos over several months. My preferred Arch distro is Namib Linux. However I have only had it up and running for a few days. Time will tell if it is any better than Antergos or Manjaro.
20 • PALDO Review / OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (by Winchester on 2018-03-12 13:47:45 GMT from United States)
PALDO (Pure Adaptable Linux Distribution) has to be,by far,the most underrated systemD Gnome rolling distribution out there.
I would be interested to read a review on it by someone using different hardware from what I have. Maybe instead of the next Ubuntu clone review.?
I have had it installed on a partition for almost a full year now without running into a single issue. I don't boot into it very often because I don't like Gnome very much and I often prefer to boot into non-systemD distributions but,it seems VERY stable if that's what you're looking for. Even the Wayland session seems to work just fine so far. The software is managed through the command terminal. Simple commands. I just have to figure out the best way to remove old kernels .... when I get around to it.
As far as rolling distributions and their installation media go in general,the person with post # 2 this week is right. Problems with Sabayon and maybe Antergos do not apply to all rolling distributions' installation media.
I have found the official version of OpenSUSE Tumbleweed to be problem free (as I have stated in past weeks) as long as you don't include the unofficial "PackMan" repository which is known to cause conflicts. I can speak for Tumbleweed stability using LXQt (with an alternate file manager to PCmanFM-QT) , KDE 3, and LXDE. I haven't tried other environments under Tumbleweed so,I can only endorse first hand those 3 desktop environments in combination with the distribution.
21 • Size os OS (by Kazlu on 2018-03-12 13:54:47 GMT from France)
Size of the OS is not directly linked to performance. Anyway, my answer is the same: from my high-end (2018 core i7 @ 3.4GHz and 8GB RAM) to my low-end (2012 Atom @1.66GHz and 2GB RAM / early 2000s Pentium IV and 1GB RAM) computers, MX Linux is my distro of choice and it runs fast. The performance problems never come from the OS but from the applications. Firefox in particular is a very heavy application which performance varies greatly from one computer to the other.
22 • Distro size (by Pat on 2018-03-12 14:31:19 GMT from United States)
I run Manjaro with KDE Plasma on both my desktop and notebook, which use relatively modern hardware. It's definitely a heavy install, occupying about 16 GB of disk space and idling at about 450 MB of RAM, but since the machines aren't resource constrained I don't really care as the OS runs well and for the most part "just works". I'm past the point in my computing adventures where I want to be constantly tinkering and breaking things just to save 100 MB of RAM when I've got between 8 and 32 GB to spare. If I really needed to conserve resources there's plenty of excellent distros that run much lighter, so there's plenty of options out there depending on your hardware and preferences.
23 • Sabayon review (by Jordan on 2018-03-12 14:49:46 GMT from United States)
I loved the Sabayon "idea," or persona that distro offers. However I stopped trying for successful installs and use of it long ago, sometimes for the reasons highlighted in this weeks review, but also because the Portage updating etc was quite buggy and often broke the installation altogether.
It reminds me of (open)Suse a bit, in its heaviness and its unreliability on my machines. Interesting to see that it remains that way after all these years.
As to the weight of the distro I use as default, Manjaro/XFCE, as is well known it's fast, light, and very reliable.
24 • @23 - Sabayon (by Hoos on 2018-03-12 15:28:26 GMT from Singapore)
"...However I stopped trying for successful installs and use of it long ago, sometimes for the reasons highlighted in this weeks review, but also because the Portage updating etc was quite buggy and often broke the installation altogether. .."
Maybe their recent snapshots are buggy, but I installed the Plasma version of Sabayon 15.12 iso (ie the December 2015 one) a few years ago and it's rolling and running nicely.
Portage - that's from their Gentoo heritage but you don't have to use that. I don't and to be honest have no idea how to.
Sabayon has in addition to Portage, their own Entropy system of installing their pre-compiled binaries using Equo CLI commands or the Rigo graphical frontend. You must have tried Sabayon a really long time ago.
25 • Antergos is not bad (by Jyrki on 2018-03-12 15:57:59 GMT from Czech Republic)
but install takes ages. Whenever I try to instail it, installer ranks mirrors incorrectly and all packages it tries to download take a hell of a time to download. When it actually is installed, it's quite nice distro and upgrade it is not a problem...
Try and search, such problem with their installer has lot of people and it's been an issue for years.
26 • Sabayon (by Jordan on 2018-03-12 16:54:53 GMT from United States)
@24 Yep it was Sabayon 10, around 2011 or 12 I believe. I'd been trying it often, just about every full release beginning around 2008. I loved the look and, as mentioned, the "idea" of what it was about as a distro.
The Gentoo heritage was also quite intriguing to me.
But, alas, other distros captured my imagination as being better for home and work machines both. Played around with many of them, and ended up with Manjaro, which runs a very close advantage for me over Solus. I ended up with Manjaro XFCE on both computers.
27 • Anrergos and Sabayon (by Gekxxx on 2018-03-12 16:56:47 GMT from Belgium)
Used sabayon a couple og years ago wth great satisfaction. But with my current PC fails to connect to the Internet. So not so everything works out of the box. Redcore does better, but then I had trouble installing Bluefish.
Anrzegos alwats worked well on my PC. But I do prefer Manjaro as Manjaro gives more control like the user deciding which kernel to use. But Antergos is a great distro.
28 • Sabayon and Antergos (by David on 2018-03-12 17:57:38 GMT from United Kingdom)
I always recommend new users to get a distro with its default desktop: the one the developers and most of the users are using. If you don't believe me, try Fedora or CentOS with Xfce. Perhaps Antergos would have been happier with Gnome. When you get a less common GUI, like Deepin or Trinity, then the chances of a good experience with anything but a distro that specialises in it are correspondingly less.
As for Sabayon, I've tried that on and off over 6 years. I've always wanted to like it, but my attempts have always come to grief. A reviewer once wrote that the team were better at having bright ideas than debugging them and spread themselves too thin. Still true, it seems.
29 • Re: Paldo kernel removal, Sabayon (by distro-addict on 2018-03-12 18:38:11 GMT from United States)
I've had a paldo install going for a while now and agree that it's a fine Gnome distro, though I have experienced occasional crashes while doing updates (gnome-shell dies, leaving gdm login window). Removing old kernels is fairly easy: simply go into /var/lib/upkg/packages/ and delete the .select file for each unwanted kernel. Next time you do a upkg-update they'll be removed.
As for Sabayon, I've always found it to be bloated and unstable. Latest "stable" iso is a year old, and even that one won't work if you have a legacy nvidia card. Gentoo is too great to be sullied by this sort of ridiculousness.
Hey, how about a review of Gentoo itself at some point? It would have to be a bit different from the usual review process of course; perhaps a few months of use highlighting any issues along the way. Everyone knows it's not the typical install and demands some research/knowledge, but I find it quite simple to keep up to date and humming along nicely - unstable branch (KDE) at that. Just one issue in the past year (broken genkernel, fixed within a few days).
30 • @11 Re: Kernel Size (by Rev_Don on 2018-03-12 21:18:33 GMT from United States)
Most computers have over 1000MB of memory??!!!
Since at least 2009 when Windows 7 was released. They all had a gigabyte of ram or more. (1 GB = 1000MB). Most Windows Vista computers had 1gig minimum as well so that would be 2007.So any system in the last 10 years.
31 • IoT for Intel/AMD CPU (by Dxvid on 2018-03-12 22:12:28 GMT from Sweden)
@8 Many distributions offer the possibility to install a minimum installation of the distro. It can be found in the menus during install on the main .img/.iso/CD/DVD for Intel/AMD CPUs of many distros, I have used this on for example OpenSUSE Leap and Ubuntu Server and it works well on both. In OpenSUSE you can also choose all individual packages you want to install or skip installing during the installation guide, no need for fine tuning afterwards, it's even possible to automate installation for several similar machines by putting a file on the installation medium. If you need to add extra packages afterwards you can type "sudo zypper in packagename" or use ascii-graphical menus by typing "sudo yast2". If you do a mistake in OpenSUSE when choosing packages you can revert those changes, one way is to type "sudo snapper rollback 123" (if you want to revert the settings to the ones in backup 123)
In Ubuntu I've instead installed a very small system through the menus during the installation then later added needed packages manually, if I've needed to do this for several machines I've created scripts in bash, here you type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install packagename". In Ubuntu there's no easy way to revert back to an earlier state when tweaking a system and doing multiple installations and changing settings, so either don't make mistakes or take backups manually before doing a change.
Some other distros offer a minimum system on a separate .img/.iso/CD. On any minimal install from any distro you need to be comfortable using command line tools as no graphics will be installed, however on some you can use menus with ascii-graphics using ncurses if the distro allows this.
Good luck experimenting with fine tuning your choice of packages!
32 • Antergos... (by Vukota on 2018-03-12 22:37:04 GMT from Serbia)
I didn't have such problems with Antergos installer. It was actually one of the easiest/best working Arch based distros installers.
Problems I experienced with the distro was during maintenance (updates) related to the packages being out of sync with base arch (dependency/version collisions), and occasional issues with updates that has to be manually (from command line) resolved (every few weeks), as GUI is unable to either give useful error message or usable workaround for pending updates.
33 • Sabayon or Calculate Linux? (by Alexandre Dumas on 2018-03-13 03:43:38 GMT from Australia)
I have tried Sabayon a few times and have always given up, it is just too buggy.
If you want a Gentoo-based distro, try Calculate Linux. It has been my trouble-free daily driver for a couple of years.
34 • Fedora IoT (by LiuYan on 2018-03-13 08:03:15 GMT from China)
Thanks Dxvid. I did installed minimal installation of some distributions, but still, it occupy 1G-2G disk space after installation.
What I expected on Fedora IoT edition is something like OpenWRT which can be installed on 4MB flash chip. OpenWRT for x86 use about only 270MB disk spaces. So if Fedora IoT edition can be installed in 512MB disk would be nice.
35 • IoT for Intel/AMD (by Dxvid on 2018-03-13 09:11:23 GMT from Sweden)
@34 I'm sorry to say this but what you want to achieve is probably not possible using some of the big popular distros. It's better to switch from Fedora to something else. I can recommend you take a look at https://www.alpinelinux.org/downloads/ instead of Fedora, it's stable and made to be lightweight from start, it's pretty popular even though it's a tiny Linux distro lacking many things other distros have.
However in order to get something as lightweight as OpenWRT you need to use a kernel without all the unnecessary drivers. The Linux kernel contains tons of code or binary blobs to be able to communicate with different printers, keyboards, motherboard components, UPSes and other hardware. You need to compile a kernel with only the few things you need on your machine in order to get down to only a few MB usage on disk. And apart from reducing the size of the kernel on disk you need to install only the few things you really need and disregard some dependencies that you know for sure you don't need. You should probably use Alpine Linux if you're not an expert at compiling kernels and choosing among packages and knowing which dependencies are safe to break. If you're an expert at IoT/embedded go ahead and create your own minimal installation image, but if not it's probably better to use alpine or something similar.
36 • Sabayon or Calculate? (by Dave Postles on 2018-03-13 11:40:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sabayon 5 saved me a long time ago when I was abroad and my notebook died. I went to the local Borders (there were other retailers) and bought a Linux mag with Sabayon as the freebie. It worked great until I could get home, open up the notebook, and reattach the cable to the HD. I do agree, however, that the latest versions have problems.
My issue with Calculate is that I can never get LibreOffice Base to run - even after downloading the requisite packages which seem to be missing in the distro.
37 • Antergos and Size (by Ken on 2018-03-13 18:29:08 GMT from United States)
I just tried Antergos on my desktop after trying and failing to get Parabola and Hyperbola working the way I want it to (Parabola runs flawlessly on my Libreboot laptop though). I wonder if the problem was the Deepin desktop, since I installed the Cinnamon desktop and encountered no problems during install or the first few days of use. The reason I didn't stick with Antergos is the same reason I didn't stick with pure Arch -- I encountered a package update that rendered the system unusable, and I was getting tired of fixing things like that.
Though I have Linux Mint on my office computer since it's always been rock solid for me and runs well on the old hardware we've got, I've recently found the Arch-based distros to be really useful. My laptop is 9 years old and has two hardware upgrades--an SSD and more RAM. Because Parabola follows the same installation procedure and philosophy as Arch, once I got it all set up, it's one lean mean OS. MATE desktop, just the applications I want, and it's so snappy. Same thing with my desktop. I did the minimal Manjaro installation, Cinnamon desktop, just the applications I want, and it's nice and responsive (once I got rid of the atrocious GDM).
It makes me sad when I boot up my Windows partition to play games and the OS is bloated and buggy. Windows used to have me convinced that my computers' hardware just wasn't good enough anymore, and GNU/Linux, especially the Arch-based distros, definitely proved me wrong.
38 • Sabayon or Calculate? (by Alexandre Dumas on 2018-03-13 20:29:44 GMT from Australia)
@36 That is strange, Dave. Libreoffice is installed in the Calculate versions with a GUI and I have used it for a couple of years with no problems. Did you ask about your problem on the forum?
39 • Clover OS - Gentoo (by Winchester on 2018-03-14 00:24:25 GMT from United States)
I stumbled accross Clover OS which is basically an installation ISO with G-Parted and an installation script which installs Gentoo ..... but with the Clover OS binary binhost enabled and maybe around 25 of those binary packages installed by default.
I don't have any reason to trust Clover OS or its binary packages, neither do I particularly want to support it or endorse it based on some racist material on its web-site.
But,it seems to be a pretty solid installation script for Gentoo if perhaps modified to remove the Clover OS hosted binary packages and the binhost.
40 • @34 & @35 (by frisbee on 2018-03-14 07:12:20 GMT from Switzerland)
"I did installed minimal installation of some distributions, but still, it occupy 1G-2G disk space after installation."
So, why don't you install something else then?
41 • @11 (by frisbee on 2018-03-14 07:30:47 GMT from Switzerland)
"Wouldn't it be nice to have a small version of Linux that really ran on small chips!!"
We allready have more then one small distro.
Even Debian Openbox runs with some 40 ~ 50 MB RAM.
But what exactly is the use for computer like that?
Start the browser and it will take a couple of hundreds MB RAM ... unless you use Lynx.
"128KB RAM with an attached SD card."
Installing on SD Card??? It works though but it's not relly the most reliable thing to do.
And... how do you open 50 ~ 100 Tabs in Chrome & Firefox with 128 KB RAM?
Doesn't work? Well, what should I do with with such "computer" then?
Different people, different ways to use their computers.
I guess you have some very special needs and will have to search for some very special distro. ;)
42 • @41 (by RTL on 2018-03-14 07:55:35 GMT from Hungary)
Don't forget Raspberry Pi's also use (mostly) SD cards as hard drive.
"And... how do you open 50 ~ 100 Tabs in Chrome & Firefox with 128 KB RAM?"
I, personally, process them as regular txt files (without Chrome & Firefox).
43 • @42 (by frisbee on 2018-03-14 08:20:16 GMT from Switzerland)
"Don't forget Raspberry Pi's also use (mostly) SD cards as hard drive."
I didn't forget - it's because Raspbery Pi is simply too cheep.
The problem is not to install it on the sd card - the problem is that the sd card is not ment to be used instead of ssd and it will not survive very long. It will soon get very sluggish too. eMMC, no garbage controll ... no nothing actually.
Here 2 links if you need any info on the topic.
"And... how do you open 50 ~ 100 Tabs in Chrome & Firefox with 128 KB RAM?"
• "I, personally, process them as regular txt files (without Chrome & Firefox)."
Great idea for designing a responsive website - process it as a textfile! ;)
44 • @43 (by RTL on 2018-03-14 13:36:32 GMT from Hungary)
"Great idea for designing a responsive website - process it as a textfile! ;)"
They are not related. You just send a http(s) request, and the server sends back a HTML file. Altough, normal "responsive" websites will probably try to send their CSS too. Anyway, servers don't care who sent that HTTP request, they just return the asked HTML. My programs don't care about who responded, just process the HTML file they received.
45 • Anarchy Linux (by Lysander Spooner on 2018-03-15 15:34:15 GMT from United States)
Anarchy Linux is the best option for someone wanting Arch Linux without having to go through the whole manual install process. It's reliable and efficient, with very few compromises. The only drawback is it enables you to be lazy---letting you miss out on the glory of a a full manual Arch install.
46 • @39 What racist material? (by chowyunpat on 2018-03-15 16:57:46 GMT from United States)
I went to the CloverOS website and I found nothing even remotely racist on their website.
47 • My OS (by My OS on 2018-03-15 18:10:52 GMT from United States)
I use Gentoo for all Linux distros in my home - I strip it down to what I want.. and it runs fast on my systems.
48 • bloat (by Tim Dowd on 2018-03-16 16:03:32 GMT from United States)
I just wanted to point out that bloat isn't really a huge issue for most desktop Linux users. I get great performance on 9 year old machines using Ubuntu MATE or Linux Mint, or Debian with MATE. Everyone in my family, including my 3 year old, likes MATE, so I don't really have much incentive to get lighter than it or more loaded than it.
I totally respect anyone running something that's been made uber lightweight and think its a great intellectual exercise to learn what the minimum really is for productivity, but I just don't want the message to be that the main distros are completely bloated. The main factor in my having to retire older hardware has been how pigged out the web has gotten, not the performance of any Linux distro.
49 • Sabayon (by Bonky Ozmond on 2018-03-16 19:04:57 GMT from Nicaragua)
I thought sabayon was great a few years back....then it seemed to spiral downwards had so many issues it wasnt worth carrying on with.....I now use Gentoo and a few years back tried Calculate and have been impressed with both..i have them on a variety of machines and have caused me little or no stress Gentoo Rocks
Lightweight......personally i want the most basic install maybe a browser and libre office.....as the times i install a fully featured bloated Distro i spend the first day removing most of the stuff i dont ever use...
50 • building an hybrid Live ISO with xorriso in the chroot (by Bonzy Buddy on 2018-03-18 16:31:20 GMT from Canada)
Just to lead you in proper direction much faster, as you said already,
"Lightweight......personally i want the most basic install maybe a browser and libre office.....as the times i install a fully featured bloated Distro i spend the first day removing most of the stuff i dont ever use..."
You can do it lot faster by building an hybrid Live ISO with xorriso in the chroot environment.
Resulting stripped-down ISO will be less than 300mb depends on what you install.
Plus it performs much better... much faster...
Just in case, if you wanna run a long marathon once for all,
You also may decide to build your flavor of Linux from Scratch as well.
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|• Issue 812 (2019-04-29): Ubuntu MATE 19.04, setting up a SOCKS web proxy, Scientific Linux discontinued, Red Hat takes over Java LTS support|
|• Issue 811 (2019-04-22): Alpine 3.9.2, rsync examples, Ubuntu working on ZFS support, Debian elects new Project Leader, Obarun releases S6 tools|
|• Issue 810 (2019-04-15): SolydXK 201902, Bedrock Linux 0.7.2, Fedora phasing out Python 2, NetBSD gets virtual machine monitor|
|• Issue 809 (2019-04-08): PCLinuxOS 2019.02, installing Falkon and problems with portable packages, Mint offers daily build previews, Ubuntu speeds up Snap packages|
|• Issue 808 (2019-04-01): Solus 4.0, security benefits and drawbacks to using a live distro, Gentoo gets GNOME ports working without systemd, Redox OS update|
|• Issue 807 (2019-03-25): Pardus 17.5, finding out which user changed a file, new Budgie features, a tool for browsing FreeBSD's sysctl values|
|• Issue 806 (2019-03-18): Kubuntu vs KDE neon, Nitrux's znx, notes on Debian's election, SUSE becomes an independent entity|
|• Issue 805 (2019-03-11): EasyOS 1.0, managing background services, Devuan team debates machine ID file, Ubuntu Studio works to remain an Ubuntu Community Edition|
|• Issue 804 (2019-03-04): Condres OS 19.02, securely erasing hard drives, new UBports devices coming in 2019, Devuan to host first conference|
|• Issue 803 (2019-02-25): Septor 2019, preventing windows from stealing focus, NetBSD and Nitrux experiment with virtual machines, pfSense upgrading to FreeBSD 12 base|
|• Issue 802 (2019-02-18): Slontoo 18.07.1, NetBSD tests newer compiler, Fedora packaging Deepin desktop, changes in Ubuntu Studio|
|• Issue 801 (2019-02-11): Project Trident 18.12, the meaning of status symbols in top, FreeBSD Foundation lists ongoing projects, Plasma Mobile team answers questions|
|• Issue 800 (2019-02-04): FreeNAS 11.2, using Ubuntu Studio software as an add-on, Nitrux developing znx, matching operating systems to file systems|
|• Issue 799 (2019-01-28): KaOS 2018.12, Linux Basics For Hackers, Debian 10 enters freeze, Ubuntu publishes new version for IoT devices|
|• Issue 798 (2019-01-21): Sculpt OS 18.09, picking a location for swap space, Solus team plans ahead, Fedora trying to get a better user count|
|• Issue 797 (2019-01-14): Reborn OS 2018.11.28, TinyPaw-Linux 1.3, dealing with processes which make the desktop unresponsive, Debian testing Secure Boot support|
|• Issue 796 (2019-01-07): FreeBSD 12.0, Peppermint releases ISO update, picking the best distro of 2018, roundtable interview with Debian, Fedora and elementary developers|
|• Issue 795 (2018-12-24): Running a Pinebook, interview with Bedrock founder, Alpine being ported to RISC-V, Librem 5 dev-kits shipped|
|• Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell|
|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
|• Full list of all issues|
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