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1 • size of my distribution (by Tux Raider on 2018-03-12 00:46:04 GMT from United States) |
my install of debian testing has 2015 packages, i am sure i could bloat it up with a kitchen sink install but i started out with a custom bare bones install and added only what i needed after that, runs quite well for me
2 • Antergos & Sabayon (by linuxista on 2018-03-12 01:11:08 GMT from United States)
>Unfortunately, halfway through the install process, Cnchi crashed and was unable to recover.
Cnchi is too ambitious. It's failed both times I've tried it, each time years apart. Much better off with Anarchy or a respin that uses Calamares like ArchLabs.
>This was a rough week for me testing distributions and a reminder that while rolling release distributions can be useful and convenient for those who want to stay up to date with the latest software, periodic snapshots is not an ideal way to maintain quality control.
This just has to do with bad quality control by the devs on these respins. Antergos' theme is from its own repo, and there's no excuse for it not working. It works quite well to release an iso with whatever the current snapshot of the repos is, e.g. Manjaro. Don't think there's much of a basis for extrapolating the problems with Antergos and Sabayon trying to offer a whole range of pre-configured non-mainstream desktops to rolling install media in general.
3 • Distros on my hardware (by jwjones on 2018-03-12 01:28:10 GMT from United States)
The distros I run on my hardware are both lean and fast: Slackware -current on my ThinkPad T61 with 8GB RAM, with XFCE, and Gentoo on my Dell Optiplex 980 with 8GB RAM, also with XFCE. On a fresh boot, both idle at less than 200MB of RAM used.
4 • Sabayon (by bison on 2018-03-12 02:50:20 GMT from United States)
I had the same experience with Sabayon about three weeks ago. I did not investigate the problem; I just assumed it was due to my "newish" integrated Intel graphics, but I guess not. Hopefully they will fix this soon.
5 • size of my distribution (by Andy Figueroa on 2018-03-12 02:51:11 GMT from United States)
Running reasonably optimized Gentoo with LXDE and occasionally XFCE on the desktop. Very fast. Kernel is 5.9 M but the only modules I load are VirtualBox and network interfaces :
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 8156524 1014380 891236 53248 6250908 7039956
Swap: 8919764 48308 8871456
The only reason any swap is used because I recently compiled Chromium which I don't plan on keeping. It's a hog.
6 • dmesg | grep (Memory size) (by Greg Zeng on 2018-03-12 02:53:47 GMT from Australia)
dmesg | grep Memory
"The kernel's size in memory will likely be a little under ... "
Thanks for the terminal command line. On my Android phone (7.1.1) the above command does not work ("Termux" seems the best Android terminal emulator) . The newish phone is not yet rooted, so this is needed first. Other details will be posted after rooting.
7 • Installer issues & buggy distros (by Brenton Horne on 2018-03-12 02:56:36 GMT from Australia)
CentOS and Fedora's installer (Anaconda) is also very temperamental for me. Sometimes so much so that it makes it impossible to install the distros, so it's not just rollers that face such an issue. Recently I've had an issue where distros running the 4.15.4 or later kernel and systemd won't boot properly (https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5829610), so yes I've been burned by rollers, however. Granted Fedora also suffers from this affliction.
8 • Fedora IoT (by LiuYan on 2018-03-12 04:06:10 GMT from China)
I'm wondering, is there an IoT edition for amd64 or i686/i386 architecture? I'm interested in the 'lightweight/lean' feature of IoT edition.
9 • Antergos (by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on 2018-03-12 06:36:28 GMT from United States)
I've mostly been running Antergos since I dropped out of the Fedora cycle during the late stages of 26 Beta - call it April of last year. I'm pretty much a GNOME desktop fanatic - I have a lot of muscle memory there and a few years on Fedora are ingrained.
I haven't had any of the problems the review noted. There's one minor glitch - unlike most distros where you come up with a user ID and a group ID that are the same, Antergos puts you in as group ID "users". That's not hard to fix, though.
All told I'm pretty happy with Antergos. I think it's the best of the "let's make Arch work for people who don't want to set the time zone by hand" distros.
10 • The size of my distribution (by eee on 2018-03-12 08:02:26 GMT from Poland)
Slackware 14.2, modified to my needs: no desktop environment; just Openbox with customized menu, for launching applications; things, that are not needed, not installed etc...
With X running, it takes under 80 MB of RAM - rest of 4 GB is for applications...
So, I think, it's quite "lean and fast" ;-)
11 • Kernel size (by John on 2018-03-12 08:10:28 GMT from United States)
Most computers have over 1000MB of memory??!!!
Since when??? Mega328P - 6502 - 8052 all run some very impressive software.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a small version of Linux that really ran on small chips!!
Consider RetroBSD.org - REAL BSD running on PIC32MX - 128KB RAM with an attached SD card. And no hidden big brother 'features'!!
Look back at DSL 0.7.3. 50MB CD. Runs great as an Xwindows terminal on a remote Knoppix box.
12 • Size of distribution (by RTL on 2018-03-12 08:38:40 GMT from Hungary)
It's not only my distribution that is big.
Jokes aside, I mostly use my PC for gaming, so a minimal distribution is my preferred one. LXDE, network/video drivers, some codecs, and I have a distribution that runs well on a 10 years old computer, which means UNLIMITED POWER on my current high-end computer. It's light and fast. Efficient and precise at the same time.
13 • Antergos, pretty good (by Bobbity on 2018-03-12 09:06:04 GMT from Sweden)
Personally I use Antergos to get a pretty clean Arch install set up with KDE Plasma on it. I just remove the LightDM they use, swap it for SDDM, then remove the Antergos packages and sources. Takes about five minutes. Of course it leaves some odd packages in there, but 500GB harddrive means that having an odd package manager isn't really a hassle.
So far the installer have never failed me, (cnchi) except when I don't let it update before slamming install - and for my own computers ... well they still work as expected with no hiccups so far a couple of months down the line.
14 • Distribution Size (by Roy on 2018-03-12 09:34:00 GMT from United States)
Good question. When I wanted to install Windows 10 I just deleted all the hard drives; I have four. So I lost my UbuntuMATE in doing so and was told to load Linux last before. And I loaded the Beta 1 for Bionic Beaver of the UbuntuMATE flavor. And everything loaded but the boot loader. And I thought you got to to be kidding me as it was an one TB drive. Windows Defender was all I could think. So now I got Windows 10 one TB drive and UbuntuMATE on another one TB drive. And I got my boot loader on a half TB solid state drive; A dedicated boot loader drive.
15 • Antergos (by Rick Gatewood on 2018-03-12 12:42:31 GMT from United States)
I am surprised at the difficulties you have had with Antergos. In my experience, it has mostly been the easiest Gnome/Arch install ever. I have had occasional trouble with iso images. For the most part, though, I have found the minimal iso to be the fastest easiest way to get a Gnome/Arch system going. If desired, the small number of packages from the Antergos repository can be removed leaving you with stock Arch install, albeit not installed the "Arch" way.
After using Antergos, I became hooked and eventually progressed to installing the "Arch" way.
16 • Sabayon (by dragonmouth on 2018-03-12 13:01:36 GMT from United States)
I have tried Sabayon a few times over the years. The look and feel has always been very nice. However, the GUI package manager was a deal breaker every time. I have been spoiled by Synaptic.
17 • size of my distribution (by Nizari on 2018-03-12 13:10:48 GMT from Spain)
Archlabs linux here. Fast, beautiful, light and efficient.
18 • Sabayon (by I don’t like sabayon pudding on 2018-03-12 13:38:58 GMT from Portugal)
Tried sabayon many times since it was brand new. Always- bloated to the max- buggy- and over ambitious. Avoid, it won’t change after all these years.
19 • Arch Linux & derivatives (by Bushpilot on 2018-03-12 13:40:24 GMT from Canada)
I had very few issues with Antergos over several months. My preferred Arch distro is Namib Linux. However I have only had it up and running for a few days. Time will tell if it is any better than Antergos or Manjaro.
20 • PALDO Review / OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (by Winchester on 2018-03-12 13:47:45 GMT from United States)
PALDO (Pure Adaptable Linux Distribution) has to be,by far,the most underrated systemD Gnome rolling distribution out there.
I would be interested to read a review on it by someone using different hardware from what I have. Maybe instead of the next Ubuntu clone review.?
I have had it installed on a partition for almost a full year now without running into a single issue. I don't boot into it very often because I don't like Gnome very much and I often prefer to boot into non-systemD distributions but,it seems VERY stable if that's what you're looking for. Even the Wayland session seems to work just fine so far. The software is managed through the command terminal. Simple commands. I just have to figure out the best way to remove old kernels .... when I get around to it.
As far as rolling distributions and their installation media go in general,the person with post # 2 this week is right. Problems with Sabayon and maybe Antergos do not apply to all rolling distributions' installation media.
I have found the official version of OpenSUSE Tumbleweed to be problem free (as I have stated in past weeks) as long as you don't include the unofficial "PackMan" repository which is known to cause conflicts. I can speak for Tumbleweed stability using LXQt (with an alternate file manager to PCmanFM-QT) , KDE 3, and LXDE. I haven't tried other environments under Tumbleweed so,I can only endorse first hand those 3 desktop environments in combination with the distribution.
21 • Size os OS (by Kazlu on 2018-03-12 13:54:47 GMT from France)
Size of the OS is not directly linked to performance. Anyway, my answer is the same: from my high-end (2018 core i7 @ 3.4GHz and 8GB RAM) to my low-end (2012 Atom @1.66GHz and 2GB RAM / early 2000s Pentium IV and 1GB RAM) computers, MX Linux is my distro of choice and it runs fast. The performance problems never come from the OS but from the applications. Firefox in particular is a very heavy application which performance varies greatly from one computer to the other.
22 • Distro size (by Pat on 2018-03-12 14:31:19 GMT from United States)
I run Manjaro with KDE Plasma on both my desktop and notebook, which use relatively modern hardware. It's definitely a heavy install, occupying about 16 GB of disk space and idling at about 450 MB of RAM, but since the machines aren't resource constrained I don't really care as the OS runs well and for the most part "just works". I'm past the point in my computing adventures where I want to be constantly tinkering and breaking things just to save 100 MB of RAM when I've got between 8 and 32 GB to spare. If I really needed to conserve resources there's plenty of excellent distros that run much lighter, so there's plenty of options out there depending on your hardware and preferences.
23 • Sabayon review (by Jordan on 2018-03-12 14:49:46 GMT from United States)
I loved the Sabayon "idea," or persona that distro offers. However I stopped trying for successful installs and use of it long ago, sometimes for the reasons highlighted in this weeks review, but also because the Portage updating etc was quite buggy and often broke the installation altogether.
It reminds me of (open)Suse a bit, in its heaviness and its unreliability on my machines. Interesting to see that it remains that way after all these years.
As to the weight of the distro I use as default, Manjaro/XFCE, as is well known it's fast, light, and very reliable.
24 • @23 - Sabayon (by Hoos on 2018-03-12 15:28:26 GMT from Singapore)
"...However I stopped trying for successful installs and use of it long ago, sometimes for the reasons highlighted in this weeks review, but also because the Portage updating etc was quite buggy and often broke the installation altogether. .."
Maybe their recent snapshots are buggy, but I installed the Plasma version of Sabayon 15.12 iso (ie the December 2015 one) a few years ago and it's rolling and running nicely.
Portage - that's from their Gentoo heritage but you don't have to use that. I don't and to be honest have no idea how to.
Sabayon has in addition to Portage, their own Entropy system of installing their pre-compiled binaries using Equo CLI commands or the Rigo graphical frontend. You must have tried Sabayon a really long time ago.
25 • Antergos is not bad (by Jyrki on 2018-03-12 15:57:59 GMT from Czech Republic)
but install takes ages. Whenever I try to instail it, installer ranks mirrors incorrectly and all packages it tries to download take a hell of a time to download. When it actually is installed, it's quite nice distro and upgrade it is not a problem...
Try and search, such problem with their installer has lot of people and it's been an issue for years.
26 • Sabayon (by Jordan on 2018-03-12 16:54:53 GMT from United States)
@24 Yep it was Sabayon 10, around 2011 or 12 I believe. I'd been trying it often, just about every full release beginning around 2008. I loved the look and, as mentioned, the "idea" of what it was about as a distro.
The Gentoo heritage was also quite intriguing to me.
But, alas, other distros captured my imagination as being better for home and work machines both. Played around with many of them, and ended up with Manjaro, which runs a very close advantage for me over Solus. I ended up with Manjaro XFCE on both computers.
27 • Anrergos and Sabayon (by Gekxxx on 2018-03-12 16:56:47 GMT from Belgium)
Used sabayon a couple og years ago wth great satisfaction. But with my current PC fails to connect to the Internet. So not so everything works out of the box. Redcore does better, but then I had trouble installing Bluefish.
Anrzegos alwats worked well on my PC. But I do prefer Manjaro as Manjaro gives more control like the user deciding which kernel to use. But Antergos is a great distro.
28 • Sabayon and Antergos (by David on 2018-03-12 17:57:38 GMT from United Kingdom)
I always recommend new users to get a distro with its default desktop: the one the developers and most of the users are using. If you don't believe me, try Fedora or CentOS with Xfce. Perhaps Antergos would have been happier with Gnome. When you get a less common GUI, like Deepin or Trinity, then the chances of a good experience with anything but a distro that specialises in it are correspondingly less.
As for Sabayon, I've tried that on and off over 6 years. I've always wanted to like it, but my attempts have always come to grief. A reviewer once wrote that the team were better at having bright ideas than debugging them and spread themselves too thin. Still true, it seems.
29 • Re: Paldo kernel removal, Sabayon (by distro-addict on 2018-03-12 18:38:11 GMT from United States)
I've had a paldo install going for a while now and agree that it's a fine Gnome distro, though I have experienced occasional crashes while doing updates (gnome-shell dies, leaving gdm login window). Removing old kernels is fairly easy: simply go into /var/lib/upkg/packages/ and delete the .select file for each unwanted kernel. Next time you do a upkg-update they'll be removed.
As for Sabayon, I've always found it to be bloated and unstable. Latest "stable" iso is a year old, and even that one won't work if you have a legacy nvidia card. Gentoo is too great to be sullied by this sort of ridiculousness.
Hey, how about a review of Gentoo itself at some point? It would have to be a bit different from the usual review process of course; perhaps a few months of use highlighting any issues along the way. Everyone knows it's not the typical install and demands some research/knowledge, but I find it quite simple to keep up to date and humming along nicely - unstable branch (KDE) at that. Just one issue in the past year (broken genkernel, fixed within a few days).
30 • @11 Re: Kernel Size (by Rev_Don on 2018-03-12 21:18:33 GMT from United States)
Most computers have over 1000MB of memory??!!!
Since at least 2009 when Windows 7 was released. They all had a gigabyte of ram or more. (1 GB = 1000MB). Most Windows Vista computers had 1gig minimum as well so that would be 2007.So any system in the last 10 years.
31 • IoT for Intel/AMD CPU (by Dxvid on 2018-03-12 22:12:28 GMT from Sweden)
@8 Many distributions offer the possibility to install a minimum installation of the distro. It can be found in the menus during install on the main .img/.iso/CD/DVD for Intel/AMD CPUs of many distros, I have used this on for example OpenSUSE Leap and Ubuntu Server and it works well on both. In OpenSUSE you can also choose all individual packages you want to install or skip installing during the installation guide, no need for fine tuning afterwards, it's even possible to automate installation for several similar machines by putting a file on the installation medium. If you need to add extra packages afterwards you can type "sudo zypper in packagename" or use ascii-graphical menus by typing "sudo yast2". If you do a mistake in OpenSUSE when choosing packages you can revert those changes, one way is to type "sudo snapper rollback 123" (if you want to revert the settings to the ones in backup 123)
In Ubuntu I've instead installed a very small system through the menus during the installation then later added needed packages manually, if I've needed to do this for several machines I've created scripts in bash, here you type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install packagename". In Ubuntu there's no easy way to revert back to an earlier state when tweaking a system and doing multiple installations and changing settings, so either don't make mistakes or take backups manually before doing a change.
Some other distros offer a minimum system on a separate .img/.iso/CD. On any minimal install from any distro you need to be comfortable using command line tools as no graphics will be installed, however on some you can use menus with ascii-graphics using ncurses if the distro allows this.
Good luck experimenting with fine tuning your choice of packages!
32 • Antergos... (by Vukota on 2018-03-12 22:37:04 GMT from Serbia)
I didn't have such problems with Antergos installer. It was actually one of the easiest/best working Arch based distros installers.
Problems I experienced with the distro was during maintenance (updates) related to the packages being out of sync with base arch (dependency/version collisions), and occasional issues with updates that has to be manually (from command line) resolved (every few weeks), as GUI is unable to either give useful error message or usable workaround for pending updates.
33 • Sabayon or Calculate Linux? (by Alexandre Dumas on 2018-03-13 03:43:38 GMT from Australia)
I have tried Sabayon a few times and have always given up, it is just too buggy.
If you want a Gentoo-based distro, try Calculate Linux. It has been my trouble-free daily driver for a couple of years.
34 • Fedora IoT (by LiuYan on 2018-03-13 08:03:15 GMT from China)
Thanks Dxvid. I did installed minimal installation of some distributions, but still, it occupy 1G-2G disk space after installation.
What I expected on Fedora IoT edition is something like OpenWRT which can be installed on 4MB flash chip. OpenWRT for x86 use about only 270MB disk spaces. So if Fedora IoT edition can be installed in 512MB disk would be nice.
35 • IoT for Intel/AMD (by Dxvid on 2018-03-13 09:11:23 GMT from Sweden)
@34 I'm sorry to say this but what you want to achieve is probably not possible using some of the big popular distros. It's better to switch from Fedora to something else. I can recommend you take a look at https://www.alpinelinux.org/downloads/ instead of Fedora, it's stable and made to be lightweight from start, it's pretty popular even though it's a tiny Linux distro lacking many things other distros have.
However in order to get something as lightweight as OpenWRT you need to use a kernel without all the unnecessary drivers. The Linux kernel contains tons of code or binary blobs to be able to communicate with different printers, keyboards, motherboard components, UPSes and other hardware. You need to compile a kernel with only the few things you need on your machine in order to get down to only a few MB usage on disk. And apart from reducing the size of the kernel on disk you need to install only the few things you really need and disregard some dependencies that you know for sure you don't need. You should probably use Alpine Linux if you're not an expert at compiling kernels and choosing among packages and knowing which dependencies are safe to break. If you're an expert at IoT/embedded go ahead and create your own minimal installation image, but if not it's probably better to use alpine or something similar.
36 • Sabayon or Calculate? (by Dave Postles on 2018-03-13 11:40:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sabayon 5 saved me a long time ago when I was abroad and my notebook died. I went to the local Borders (there were other retailers) and bought a Linux mag with Sabayon as the freebie. It worked great until I could get home, open up the notebook, and reattach the cable to the HD. I do agree, however, that the latest versions have problems.
My issue with Calculate is that I can never get LibreOffice Base to run - even after downloading the requisite packages which seem to be missing in the distro.
37 • Antergos and Size (by Ken on 2018-03-13 18:29:08 GMT from United States)
I just tried Antergos on my desktop after trying and failing to get Parabola and Hyperbola working the way I want it to (Parabola runs flawlessly on my Libreboot laptop though). I wonder if the problem was the Deepin desktop, since I installed the Cinnamon desktop and encountered no problems during install or the first few days of use. The reason I didn't stick with Antergos is the same reason I didn't stick with pure Arch -- I encountered a package update that rendered the system unusable, and I was getting tired of fixing things like that.
Though I have Linux Mint on my office computer since it's always been rock solid for me and runs well on the old hardware we've got, I've recently found the Arch-based distros to be really useful. My laptop is 9 years old and has two hardware upgrades--an SSD and more RAM. Because Parabola follows the same installation procedure and philosophy as Arch, once I got it all set up, it's one lean mean OS. MATE desktop, just the applications I want, and it's so snappy. Same thing with my desktop. I did the minimal Manjaro installation, Cinnamon desktop, just the applications I want, and it's nice and responsive (once I got rid of the atrocious GDM).
It makes me sad when I boot up my Windows partition to play games and the OS is bloated and buggy. Windows used to have me convinced that my computers' hardware just wasn't good enough anymore, and GNU/Linux, especially the Arch-based distros, definitely proved me wrong.
38 • Sabayon or Calculate? (by Alexandre Dumas on 2018-03-13 20:29:44 GMT from Australia)
@36 That is strange, Dave. Libreoffice is installed in the Calculate versions with a GUI and I have used it for a couple of years with no problems. Did you ask about your problem on the forum?
39 • Clover OS - Gentoo (by Winchester on 2018-03-14 00:24:25 GMT from United States)
I stumbled accross Clover OS which is basically an installation ISO with G-Parted and an installation script which installs Gentoo ..... but with the Clover OS binary binhost enabled and maybe around 25 of those binary packages installed by default.
I don't have any reason to trust Clover OS or its binary packages, neither do I particularly want to support it or endorse it based on some racist material on its web-site.
But,it seems to be a pretty solid installation script for Gentoo if perhaps modified to remove the Clover OS hosted binary packages and the binhost.
40 • @34 & @35 (by frisbee on 2018-03-14 07:12:20 GMT from Switzerland)
"I did installed minimal installation of some distributions, but still, it occupy 1G-2G disk space after installation."
So, why don't you install something else then?
41 • @11 (by frisbee on 2018-03-14 07:30:47 GMT from Switzerland)
"Wouldn't it be nice to have a small version of Linux that really ran on small chips!!"
We allready have more then one small distro.
Even Debian Openbox runs with some 40 ~ 50 MB RAM.
But what exactly is the use for computer like that?
Start the browser and it will take a couple of hundreds MB RAM ... unless you use Lynx.
"128KB RAM with an attached SD card."
Installing on SD Card??? It works though but it's not relly the most reliable thing to do.
And... how do you open 50 ~ 100 Tabs in Chrome & Firefox with 128 KB RAM?
Doesn't work? Well, what should I do with with such "computer" then?
Different people, different ways to use their computers.
I guess you have some very special needs and will have to search for some very special distro. ;)
42 • @41 (by RTL on 2018-03-14 07:55:35 GMT from Hungary)
Don't forget Raspberry Pi's also use (mostly) SD cards as hard drive.
"And... how do you open 50 ~ 100 Tabs in Chrome & Firefox with 128 KB RAM?"
I, personally, process them as regular txt files (without Chrome & Firefox).
43 • @42 (by frisbee on 2018-03-14 08:20:16 GMT from Switzerland)
"Don't forget Raspberry Pi's also use (mostly) SD cards as hard drive."
I didn't forget - it's because Raspbery Pi is simply too cheep.
The problem is not to install it on the sd card - the problem is that the sd card is not ment to be used instead of ssd and it will not survive very long. It will soon get very sluggish too. eMMC, no garbage controll ... no nothing actually.
Here 2 links if you need any info on the topic.
"And... how do you open 50 ~ 100 Tabs in Chrome & Firefox with 128 KB RAM?"
• "I, personally, process them as regular txt files (without Chrome & Firefox)."
Great idea for designing a responsive website - process it as a textfile! ;)
44 • @43 (by RTL on 2018-03-14 13:36:32 GMT from Hungary)
"Great idea for designing a responsive website - process it as a textfile! ;)"
They are not related. You just send a http(s) request, and the server sends back a HTML file. Altough, normal "responsive" websites will probably try to send their CSS too. Anyway, servers don't care who sent that HTTP request, they just return the asked HTML. My programs don't care about who responded, just process the HTML file they received.
45 • Anarchy Linux (by Lysander Spooner on 2018-03-15 15:34:15 GMT from United States)
Anarchy Linux is the best option for someone wanting Arch Linux without having to go through the whole manual install process. It's reliable and efficient, with very few compromises. The only drawback is it enables you to be lazy---letting you miss out on the glory of a a full manual Arch install.
46 • @39 What racist material? (by chowyunpat on 2018-03-15 16:57:46 GMT from United States)
I went to the CloverOS website and I found nothing even remotely racist on their website.
47 • My OS (by My OS on 2018-03-15 18:10:52 GMT from United States)
I use Gentoo for all Linux distros in my home - I strip it down to what I want.. and it runs fast on my systems.
48 • bloat (by Tim Dowd on 2018-03-16 16:03:32 GMT from United States)
I just wanted to point out that bloat isn't really a huge issue for most desktop Linux users. I get great performance on 9 year old machines using Ubuntu MATE or Linux Mint, or Debian with MATE. Everyone in my family, including my 3 year old, likes MATE, so I don't really have much incentive to get lighter than it or more loaded than it.
I totally respect anyone running something that's been made uber lightweight and think its a great intellectual exercise to learn what the minimum really is for productivity, but I just don't want the message to be that the main distros are completely bloated. The main factor in my having to retire older hardware has been how pigged out the web has gotten, not the performance of any Linux distro.
49 • Sabayon (by Bonky Ozmond on 2018-03-16 19:04:57 GMT from Nicaragua)
I thought sabayon was great a few years back....then it seemed to spiral downwards had so many issues it wasnt worth carrying on with.....I now use Gentoo and a few years back tried Calculate and have been impressed with both..i have them on a variety of machines and have caused me little or no stress Gentoo Rocks
Lightweight......personally i want the most basic install maybe a browser and libre office.....as the times i install a fully featured bloated Distro i spend the first day removing most of the stuff i dont ever use...
50 • building an hybrid Live ISO with xorriso in the chroot (by Bonzy Buddy on 2018-03-18 16:31:20 GMT from Canada)
Just to lead you in proper direction much faster, as you said already,
"Lightweight......personally i want the most basic install maybe a browser and libre office.....as the times i install a fully featured bloated Distro i spend the first day removing most of the stuff i dont ever use..."
You can do it lot faster by building an hybrid Live ISO with xorriso in the chroot environment.
Resulting stripped-down ISO will be less than 300mb depends on what you install.
Plus it performs much better... much faster...
Just in case, if you wanna run a long marathon once for all,
You also may decide to build your flavor of Linux from Scratch as well.
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|• Issue 765 (2018-05-28): Pop!_OS 18.04, gathering system information, Haiku unifying ARM builds, Solus resumes control of Budgie|
|• Issue 764 (2018-05-21): DragonFly BSD 5.2.0, Tails works on persistent packages, Ubuntu plans new features, finding services affected by an update|
|• Issue 763 (2018-05-14): Fedora 28, Debian compatibility coming to Chrome OS, malware found in some Snaps, Debian's many flavours|
|• Issue 762 (2018-05-07): TrueOS 18.03, live upgrading Raspbian, Mint plans future releases, HardenedBSD to switch back to OpenSSL|
|• Issue 761 (2018-04-30): Ubuntu 18.04, accessing ZFS snapshots, UBports to run on Librem 5 phones, Slackware makes PulseAudio optional|
|• Issue 760 (2018-04-23): Chakra 2017.10, using systemd to hide files, Netrunner's ARM edition, Debian 10 roadmap, Microsoft develops Linux-based OS|
|• Issue 759 (2018-04-16): Neptune 5.0, building containers with Red Hat, antiX introduces Sid edition, fixing filenames on the command line|
|• Issue 758 (2018-04-09): Sortix 1.0, openSUSE's Transactional Updates, Fedora phasing out Python 2, locating portable packages|
|• Issue 757 (2018-04-02): Gatter Linux 0.8, the UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook, Red Hat turns 25, super long term support kernels|
|• Issue 756 (2018-03-26): NuTyX 10.0, Neptune supplies Debian users with Plasma 5.12, SolydXK on a Raspberry Pi, SysV init development|
|• Issue 755 (2018-03-19): Learning with ArchMerge and Linux Academy, Librem 5 runs Plasma Mobile, Cinnamon gets performance boost|
|• Issue 754 (2018-03-12): Reviewing Sabayon and Antergos, the growing Linux kernel, BSDs getting CPU bug fixes, Manjaro builds for ARM devices|
|• Issue 753 (2018-03-05): Enso OS 0.2, KDE Plasma 5.12 features, MX Linux prepares new features, interview with MidnightBSD's founder|
|• Issue 752 (2018-02-26): OviOS 2.31, performing off-line upgrades, elementary OS's new installer, UBports gets test devices, Redcore team improves security|
|• Issue 751 (2018-02-19): DietPi 6.1, testing KDE's Plasma Mobile, Nitrux packages AppImage in default install, Solus experiments with Wayland|
|• Issue 750 (2018-02-12): Solus 3, getting Deb packages upstream to Debian, NetBSD security update, elementary OS explores AppCentre changes|
|• Issue 749 (2018-02-05): Freespire 3 and Linspire 7.0, misunderstandings about Wayland, Xorg and Mir, Korora slows release schedule, Red Hat purchases CoreOS|
|• Issue 748 (2018-01-29): siduction 2018.1.0, SolydXK 32-bit editions, building an Ubuntu robot, desktop-friendly Debian options|
|• Issue 747 (2018-01-22): Ubuntu MATE 17.10, recovering open files, creating a new distribution, KDE focusing on Wayland features|
|• Issue 746 (2018-01-15): deepin 15.5, openSUSE's YaST improvements, new Ubuntu 17.10 media, details on Spectre and Meltdown bugs|
|• Issue 745 (2018-01-08): GhostBSD 11.1, Linspire and Freespire return, wide-spread CPU bugs patched, adding AppImage launchers to the application menu|
|• Issue 744 (2018-01-01): MX Linux 17, Ubuntu pulls media over BIOS bug, PureOS gets endorsed by the FSF, openSUSE plays with kernel boot splash screens|
|• Issue 743 (2017-12-18): Daphile 17.09, tools for rescuing files, Fedora Modular Server delayed, Sparky adds ARM support, Slax to better support wireless networking|
|• Issue 742 (2017-12-11): heads 0.3.1, improvements coming to Tails, Void tutorials, Ubuntu phasing out Python 2, manipulating images from the command line|
|• Issue 741 (2017-12-04): Pop!_OS 17.10, openSUSE Tumbleweed snapshots, installing Q4OS on a Windows partition, using the at command|
|• Issue 740 (2017-11-27): Artix Linux, Unity spin of Ubuntu, Nitrux swaps Snaps for AppImage, getting better battery life on Linux|
|• Issue 739 (2017-11-20): Fedora 27, cross-distro software ports, Ubuntu on Samsung phones, Red Hat supports ARM, Parabola continues 32-bit support|
|• Issue 738 (2017-11-13): SparkyLinux 5.1, rumours about spyware, Slax considers init software, Arch drops 32-bit packages, overview of LineageOS|
|• Issue 737 (2017-11-06): BeeFree OS 18.1.2, quick tips to fix common problems, Slax returning, Solus plans MATE and software management improvements|
|• Issue 736 (2017-10-30): Ubuntu 17.10, "what if" security questions, Linux Mint to support Flatpak, NetBSD kernel memory protection|
|• Issue 735 (2017-10-23): ArchLabs Minimo, building software with Ravenports, WPA security patch, Parabola creates OpenRC spin|
|• Issue 734 (2017-10-16): Star 1.0.1, running the Linux-libre kernel, Ubuntu MATE experiments with snaps, Debian releases new install media, Purism reaches funding goal|
|• Issue 733 (2017-10-09): KaOS 2017.09, 32-bit prematurely obsoleted, Qubes security features, IPFire updates Apache|
|• Issue 732 (2017-10-02): ClonOS, reducing Snap package size, Ubuntu dropping 32-bit Desktop, partitioning disks for ZFS|
|• Issue 731 (2017-09-25): BackSlash Linux Olaf, W3C adding DRM to web standards, Wayland support arrives in Mir, Debian experimenting with AppArmor|
|• Issue 730 (2017-09-18): Mageia 6, running a completely free OS, HAMMER2 file system in DragonFly BSD's installer, Manjaro to ship pre-installed on laptops|
|• Issue 729 (2017-09-11): Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, running Plex Media Server on a Raspberry Pi, Tails feature roadmap, a cross-platform ports build system|
|• Issue 728 (2017-09-04): Nitrux 1.0.2, SUSE creates new community repository, remote desktop tools for GNOME on Wayland, using Void source packages|
|• Issue 727 (2017-08-28): Cucumber Linux 1.0, using Flatpak vs Snap, GNOME previews Settings panel, SUSE reaffirms commitment to Btrfs|
|• Issue 726 (2017-08-21): Redcore Linux 1706, Solus adds Snap support, KaOS getting hardened kernel, rolling releases and BSD|
|• Issue 725 (2017-08-14): openSUSE 42.3, Debian considers Flatpak for backports, changes coming to Ubuntu 17.10, the state of gaming on Linux|
|• Issue 724 (2017-08-07): SwagArch 2017.06, Myths about Unity, Mir and Ubuntu Touch, Manjaro OpenRC becomes its own distro, Debian debates future of live ISOs|
|• Issue 723 (2017-07-31): UBOS 11, transferring packages between systems, Ubuntu MATE's HUD, GNUstep releases first update in seven years|
|• Issue 722 (2017-07-24): Calculate Linux 17.6, logging sudo usage, Remix OS discontinued, interview with Chris Lamb, Debian 9.1 released|
|• Issue 721 (2017-07-17): Fedora 26, finding source based distributions, installing DragonFly BSD using Orca, Yunit packages ported to Ubuntu 16.04|
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