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1 • HTTPS Only (by sad on 2017-12-04 00:27:41 GMT from United States)
I'm sad about the enforcement of HTTPS only. It doesn't work *nearly* as well, and sometimes not at all, on slow cell phone connections. Will you please reconsider?
If you are concerned about the issue of automatically redirecting all of the old links from various places on the web, that might be easy to address. E.g. if the Referrer is a special page on your site, e.g. "distrowatch.com/http", then you could still skip the redirection to HTTPS.
2 • Pop OS (by linuxista on 2017-12-04 02:25:14 GMT from United States)
>Pop!_OS is incredible
I had to go back and double-check to make sure it wasn't Jesse who did the review. Sure enough. Hard to imagine what's so incredible about a rebranded Ubuntu on top of a rebranded Gnome shell. Oh, I almost forgot the slightly different default kbd shortcuts and slightly different set of default applications. Wow.
3 • HTTPS Only & ... (by anon on 2017-12-04 04:53:15 GMT from United States)
64-bit Only & Windows Only & Proprietary Drivers & Region Restricted Access & Paywall Restricted & Expired Certificates & Browser Conformity & Unsafe Websites & Net Neutrality & Blacklists/Whitelists & Deprecated Standards & WTF Else...?
Whatever happened to "If it ain't broke don't fix it" or "Backward compatibility" or "Quality first"...? The ideal solutions are not "New & Improved", "Beta Testing by paying customers", "Paid reviews", "The latest & greatest & top tier tech", or "Planned Obsolescence", it should be "Give the customers what they want & need at a price they can afford".
As long as companies have EULAs, arbitration clauses, annual product cycles, & limited warranties they're going to screw the consumer to benefit their own economic bottom line.
Sad that "Bah! Humbug!" isn't a year round slogan.
4 • #2 Pop "OS" (by Andy Prough on 2017-12-04 05:01:47 GMT from United States)
Hey, but it says "OS" right there in its name, so it must be a complete, stand-alone operating system. And it has "Eddy". So, totally different from Ubuntu.
Speaking of respins, I just heard about GeckoLinux for the first time, a variant of openSUSE that's modified with better fonts and out-of-the-box media codecs. And I see that Jesse gave it a decent thumbs-up review last June. Sounds intriguing.
5 • Opinion Poll -- cron = crontab (by Andy Figueroa on 2017-12-04 05:32:09 GMT from United States)
I'm thinking that users don't ordinarily use cron directly but put their repetive tasks in their crontab, or root's crontab if sysadmin permission is needed. At least that's what I do.
6 • @1 - Re: Pop!_OS (by eco2geek on 2017-12-04 08:37:05 GMT from United States)
You're incorrect in calling Pop!_OS "a rebranded Ubuntu on top of a rebranded Gnome shell". (That doesn't even make sense, really.) Pop!_OS is a completely re-themed version of plain vanilla Gnome shell (apparently with a bunch of new and different keyboard shortcuts, which I don't use much).
If you're unaware, you can still install plain vanilla Gnome shell on Ubuntu 17.10. See, for example,
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/install-vanilla-gnome-shell-ubuntu-17-10
The Pop!_OS GTK and icon themes are pretty compelling, even for a person like me who prefers KDE and other distros with more conventional user interfaces. Having run it off of a USB key several times since Distrowatch first mentioned it, I think that, were I to use Gnome shell, Pop!_OS is probably the version I would install.
(One thing they could use is a statement on how they plan to address updates between versions of Ubuntu. I couldn't find anything on their web site about what they plan to do when 18.04 LTS is released.)
7 • https (by Mark E on 2017-12-04 11:28:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
I don't see how Distrowatch could be insecure over http; after all it has no logins. Or am I missing something?
Those people who label every http site as insecure are making erroneous generalisations and they should maybe redirect their energy to real problems.
8 • Keep terminal programs running (by Matt on 2017-12-04 12:24:17 GMT from Croatia)
A small point but I think you meant this:
firefox > /dev/null 2>&1 &
disown
9 • Pop! OS (by Microlinux on 2017-12-04 13:22:23 GMT from France)
I gave Pop! OS a spin recently, and I must say I like it. It seems to be to GNOME what KDE neon is to KDE. I'm a bit puzzled though that it is based on a non-LTS release. But I guess they'll provide one with the release of 18.04.
10 • Pop_OS optimized? (by justin on 2017-12-04 14:11:12 GMT from United States)
Is Pop_OS optimized for System76 hardware? I know you didn't test it on their hardware but if it eeks out more battery life, that is a plus.
11 • Pop! OS (by Sam on 2017-12-04 14:13:50 GMT from United States)
I understand System76's intentions to offer their customers some sense of stability at a time when Ubuntu is going through significant and uncharted changes in the desktop space. Having been a company whose entire revenue stream relied on Ubuntu being the "best of the Linux breed," I can only imagine the nervous conversations in the break room and the board room following Shuttleworth's announcement of pulling back from Canonical's past business strategy.
But Pop! OS? I don't get it. Using your already limited in-house resources to respin a variant Linux OS when the whole appeal of your business was to offer Ubuntu Linux on cheaply-built Chinese Clevo laptops? (And yes, I bought one out of curiosity, then sold it a few months later on eBay with some significant depreciation) Should have called it "Flash In the Pan OS"
12 • Post # 6 (by Winchester on 2017-12-04 15:19:07 GMT from United States)
So,the person's post should have said "(partially) rebranded Ubuntu and re-themed Gnome". Not too far off.
I don't think the fact that a plain vanilla Gnome shell can be installed on Ubuntu 17.10 changes the evaluation of "Pop! OS" in any way.
Furthermore,the icon theme looks familiar. I believe it's the same one used in "Parrot Security OS" ..... maybe "Voyager Linux" , "Porteus Desktop 3.2.2" , and a few others as well.
Not bad if you like flat icons,except for the horrible "text editor" icon with the red circle in the bottom corner which looks more like some kind of a warning icon. It's used as the default for almost every popular text editor in that icon theme. So,if you have more than one text editor,they all have that same ridiculous icon , unless you modify things.
13 • chron (by Mike W on 2017-12-04 15:52:37 GMT from United States)
Maybe a bit of a newbie question, but:
Most of the Linux distros I've seen come with chron enabled by default. If 54% of Linux users don't use it - and I get that polls in Distrowatch might not be fully representative - why do most distros set it up as a default? If I never use it, then is removing it a good idea or a bad idea?
14 • A answer for post #13. (by James Notals on 2017-12-04 16:07:13 GMT from United States)
You forget, Mike W, that not everyone here uses Linux. I am a Windows 8 user who used Linux in the past. People here who use Windows are obviously going to be a part of that 50%+ group (I am). Windows users come here for all sorts of reasons, one of them being that some of them are planning to switch to Linux, but are still doing research and learning. So, maybe slice 20-25% off that number, and the answer becomes more logical.
15 • Pop!_OS (by dragonmouth on 2017-12-04 16:11:53 GMT from United States)
No matter how you slice it, Pop!_OS is an Ubuntu respin. So what is the big deal about System76 offering Ubuntu or Pop!_OS? They're basically the same with different eye candy.
16 • @13: (by dragonmouth on 2017-12-04 16:19:08 GMT from United States)
Many Linux users do not bother to delete unwanted/unneeded packages. They just use the distro(s) as installed by default. They may have chron installed but choose not to use it. Also many distros, especially Ubuntu-based ones, do not allow the uninstalling of certain packages (chron).
17 • Using cron (by Jesse on 2017-12-04 16:35:49 GMT from Canada)
@13: You may not be using cron directly, but almost all distributions use cron for automated system maintenance. Your log files get rotated, your package manager checks for updates, security software checks logs, etc. If you look in /etc/crontab you will almost certainly see multiple jobs that your OS runs using cron. If you delete cron you will break all those jobs and need to perform all those tasks yourself manually.
18 • SwagArch (by dick on 2017-12-04 17:08:56 GMT from Canada)
SwagArch...
the first Arch-based distro that has worked well for me.
Everything hunky-dory, except would like to find _Artha_ in repository.
dick
19 • HTTPS (by zykoda on 2017-12-04 17:12:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
The final blow will be having to register!
20 • Pop! OS or Guntu (by lenn on 2017-12-04 17:37:39 GMT from Netherlands)
What is better? Pop! OS or Guntu? http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20171127
At least Guntu is clean vanilla Gnome based on Ubuntu 18.04
21 • https only is a problem for many (by Sherman Jerrold on 2017-12-04 17:41:15 GMT from United States)
Distrowatch allowing http (non-secure) connections has been needed by many of my non-savvy computer clients that use live linux CD's that have older browser versions that work fine for many sites but won't load some of the new https sites at all. This lack of backward compatibility of browsers and security protocols is a real problem. I have found that if a computer clock is set wrong, some browsers will not load pages saying 'invalid SSL cert' set to time in the future. There should always be a fall-back method to prevent blocking users that don't have the latest (bloated) browsers and PCs, or are using a non-standard browser. The Open Internet is being stolen by Corp. money. Just like everything else in this world, if you don't have big money for the latest and greatest, you get locked out. Please help provide a level-playing field by allowing plain http access. If you don't transfer sensitive data, SSL is not needed.
22 • Never Remove Random Packages! (by M.Z. on 2017-12-04 19:58:55 GMT from United States)
@13
"... If I never use it, then is removing it a good idea or a bad idea?"
As a general rule, packages are there to do something. Removing any random one without being totally sure what it does is often very bad for the health of your desktop system. I learned that the hard way at least once or twice when I was a newbie, & let me tell you that some things mess up everything as soon as they are removed. That of course means that even if you plan to reinstall something soon you can still bork your desktop to the point of being unusable before you get the chance. For example, don't remove python if you want to keep using your Cinnamon desktop.
Over my time running Linux, I've decided to just leave all the default background things as is in order to avoid such problems. Perhaps it's a bit lazy, but I think the additional research I would need to do to figure out if I can remove something safely will, as a general rule, waste far more time & resources than just leaving the default packages in place. Of course the whole journey of digging into the guts of the OS can be a big part of the joy of open source; however, for the most part I think a majority of users are better served by finding the right distro for them & trusting the devs to find the right balance of bloat vs useful features.
23 • HTTPS-only (by Sitwon on 2017-12-04 20:28:41 GMT from United States)
It's about time!
HTTP is broken. At least using HTTPS-only (with TLS) addresses most of the security concerns.
Any modern browser can handle HTTPS, and anyone that has problems with HTTPS is either using a BROKEN browser or is on a BROKEN network. Accommodating the minority of broken clients should not be considered sufficient reason to downgrade the security for the rest of your readers who have functioning, compliant clients.
24 • Some points on HTTPS (by Boink on 2017-12-04 21:09:10 GMT from Norway)
Great to see DW going HTTPS only.
* HTTPS isn't just about confidentiality, it also provides integrity. It's not just to prevent attackers reading your passwords and credit cards, it's also about preventing attackers from manipulating the website you visit - be that foreign intelligence or just a crappy ISP you can't avoid. Many of you probably download complete operating systems with direct links from Distrowatch, you *do not* want those links to be trivially manipulated to point to a malicious operating system (with a matching checksum inserted on the fly).
* HTTPS doesn't have to cost money. Let's Encrypt is completely free and open, and is trusted in all major browsers. DW already uses Let's Encrypt, and doesn't sponsor the CA industry with a penny.
25 • Please, please, PLEASE stop whinging about HTTPS... (by Anonymous on 2017-12-04 21:12:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
No websites and download services need to use plain HTTP any more. TLS greatly improves the confidentiality, integrity and authenticity of what you browse and download - so please don’t insist on dragging the rest of us back into the last security century just because you don’t care about any of those three things yourself. That’s like being the one nurse in the clinic who can’t be bothered to wash their hands between patients, or the one buffoon at the shooting range who can’t be bothered to make their weapon safe before turning uprange - a needless bad example and a hazard to everyone else.
There are people on this site bleating that “HTTPS breaks if your clock is set incorrectly.” So set your clock correctly! Seriously, you’ve got access to both a computer and the internet and you can’t figure out the date and time to within the nearest few minutes? You don’t know what timezone you live in? Next you’ll be moaning that your car stops working if the gas tank gets empty, and why doesn’t everyone else sort this out for you so you don’t have to :-)
26 • System 76's cheap Chinese laptops (by Clicktician on 2017-12-04 21:20:05 GMT from United States)
I got my first System 76 last week with Pop!_OS. I paid about 10% more than I would have paid for an identical Clevo notebook. But I have a quirky loyalty about spending money inside the Linux domain, so it was worth it to me. I thought this review was fair. Is Pop!_OS the next evolution in desktop distros? Well, I have seen respins with significantly less. Honestly, it was the default on the order, and there was no button that said, "don't bother, I'm going to wipe it just as I would if I bought a Lenovo." Lol.
27 • GeckoLinux (by Lawrence on 2017-12-04 21:56:12 GMT from United States)
GeckoLinux is indeed an excellent GNU/Linux distribution, in my opinion. As said here, it is based on OpenSuSE with some significant improvements.
The latest Tumbleweed release so far is from March 3, 2017 but, if you install it (and make a few necessary tweaks, instructions for which you can find in the forum), and update it regularly, you will have a distro which "just works."
There is a static version of GeckoLinux too but I prefer the rolling release, which my wife and I have been using on three computers, since last December.
The maintainer is working on a new release for the program but you do not have to wait for it.
Installing is easy using the Calamares installer. Updating is easy too via the Command Line (as root, enter , We like it!
28 • Keep terminal programs running (by Bruce Fowler on 2017-12-04 23:03:42 GMT from United States)
@8
...Or even simpler:
$ firefox &>/dev/null
$ disown
According to the bash manual, "&>" redirects both
standard output and standard error.
"Of course it's arcane, if it wasn't arcane, it wouldn't be Unix!"
29 • @27 - GeckoLinux (by Andy Prough on 2017-12-04 23:20:58 GMT from United States)
The author of GeckoLinux hasn't released new live ISO's since March because he's transitioned from using the SUSE Build Service to make his respins to Kiwi. He claims he's getting a much better live ISO from Kiwi, and that we should just be patient for a bit longer. He posted this information on October 29th to the GeckoLinux Google group.
30 • HTTPS only (by Jesse on 2017-12-05 00:30:14 GMT from Canada)
>> "There should always be a fall-back method to prevent blocking users that don't have the latest (bloated) browsers and PCs, or are using a non-standard browser."
At this point virtually all web browsers, even very minimal ones, offer https support.
The problem we face is, if we continue to keep the old fallback option (http), then many people do get blocked. Some browsers flag the site as insecure, some extensions block non-https connections, at least one major search engine doesn't list our https site as an option, search engines in general are starting to rank sites with an http option lower in results.
Which means if we keep offering http, then many people won't be able to reach us, or will need to jump through hoops to do it. If we do go with https exclusively then more people will be able to reach us, but a few very small corner cases (like people running exclusively on outdated live CDs) will miss out.
Basically, at this point, more people are cut off by us offering both options than going https-only. It seems counter-intuitive, but the market has spoken in favour of enforcing https connections exclusively. We have been trying to server everyone using both options for two years now, but it's been causing more issues over time and it looks like https-only is our best option for the most number of people.
I am considering keeping an alternative option open for die-hard http fans. I may set up our backup domain (distrowatch.org) to continue serving http while distrowatch.com goes https only. That way, if it is really needed, people will be able to use the solution that suits them best while our main site avoids getting flagged by security software and extensions.
31 • http (by More Gee on 2017-12-05 04:45:08 GMT from United States)
As a ham radio operator with a mesh network, I'll just have to add some rules to the PiHole until you add a login then I'll have to switch to a RSS feed.
I really don't care now that we have lost net neutrality and only tv boxes can access the 5g wifi. The ads will start eating our 2g wifi bandwidth anyway and then it will be time to connect a PiHole to every router. Then when PiHole and TOR is blocked, I will stop paying for internet. I will have tons of spare time not trouble shooting and listening to people complaining of slow internet when it their website that is stealing CPU cycles/bandwidth to mine crypto coin.
What ever happened to non pay www2.?
32 • @30 abuse of power by search engines (by curious on 2017-12-05 10:17:50 GMT from Germany)
You state, "search engines in general are starting to rank sites with an http option lower in results".
That is a blatant abuse of power on the part of the search engines, and shows that they are not really interested in providing their users with the results the users are searching for. They have a different agenda - and apparently that is not merely data mining and advertising, but also censorship and enforcing what they consider "right".
Search engines (esp. Google and the chinese one, whatever it is called) already have far too much power. Lets bow down further to the almighty search engines!
33 • Pop OS (by Jim on 2017-12-05 11:27:29 GMT from United States)
I have not used Pop OS but I thought that System 76 having it's own OS would be to make sure the OS preformed well with System 76 hardware more than for any other reason. Maybe that is not the case?
34 • @22: M.Z. (by dragonmouth on 2017-12-05 12:58:20 GMT from United States)
Not random. I know exactly what I want to remove and I am sure there are thousands of other users who also do.
Language packs for every dialect used in the world. I speak and use only 4 or 5 languages.
Drivers for every video card on the market. I only use one or two in my system. If I change cards, I will install a new driver.
Drivers for every printer on the market. I only need drivers for the printers I am actually using.
Redundant packages that do the same thing.
Silly, useless programs like 'fortune' and 'cowsay'.
I have no issues with everything being installed during the initial install because the distro packager has no idea what mix of applications the end user will want. Distro packager also has idea whether the end user is a Linux expert or a neophyte. HOWEVER, once the distro is installed, the end users should be able to tailor his/her system by getting rid of unneeded/unwanted packages. After all, users are allowed, even encouraged, to add applications. Why aren't they allowed to subtract them?
Linux is supposed to be all about choice and modularity. With Ubuntu-based distros the only choice the user is given is between installing or not installing them and which distro to install. With Ubuntu-based distros, the entire distro is one module. There is no way to uninstall a package without making the system inoperable.
35 • Gecko Linux : Posts # 4 , # 27 , # 29 (by Winchester on 2017-12-05 13:13:48 GMT from United States)
I installed Gecko Linux Rolling LXQt about a year ago on my desktop. I like it very much as far as systemD distributions go. I also installed the official Tumbleweed on a netbook a few weeks ago.
However,for the desktop Gecko Linux installation,I transitioned to the official OpenSUSE Tumbleweed repositories after a few months because the "Packman" repository used in Gecko Linux was causing conflicts with official Tumbleweed packages. This is the way from the official OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Upgrade page :
Start by removing the existing repositories :
mkdir /etc/zypp/repos.d/old
mv /etc/zypp/repos.d/*.repo /etc/zypp/repos.d/old
Then add the new repos :
zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss repo-oss
zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss repo-non-oss
zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/debug repo-debug
zypper ar -f -c http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/ repo-update
Then, "sudo zypper dist-upgrade".
This method maintains the fonts etc. from Gecko Linux. Although,I added a few more fonts .... Maven Pro etc. .
Additionally,as I posted last week :
Be aware though,OpenSUSE's GRUB bootloader may be installed into the MBR even if you tell the installer to just install it into the partition. Not a problem if that's alright with you , or not a problem if you know how to re-install your previous or preferred bootloader back into the MBR.
Also,the most foolproof option for an OpenSUSE installation on a multi-boot system seems to be to install it to a pre-formatted ext3 partition. Otherwise,if you want to use BTRFS for the main operating system,I would still use a seperate /boot partition (as small as 3 GB) formatted to ext2 or to ext3. This seems to make it easier for other OS GRUB's and bootloaders to be able to boot OpenSUSE.
36 • https (by Ramsey on 2017-12-05 18:34:16 GMT from United States)
HTTPS only is a great idea.. at least for US visitors. Two examples: Verizon was injecting a header into requests for ad tracking. And Comcast wifi injects ads.. that are served on websites (not owned by comcast) served over http. So https will put a stop to things like that. That's the problem with HTTP... ISPs and other MITM parties altering pages. So thanks for enabling it.
37 • The main point is caution (by M.Z. on 2017-12-05 20:03:47 GMT from United States)
@34
"...After all, users are allowed, even encouraged, to add applications. Why aren't they allowed to subtract them?"
That was never the point of the previous post. The main point was that there are lots of little things on desktop distros like python or cron that are relied on by other parts of the system & care should be taken when removing many such packages. I agree that there are often too many language packs & graphics drivers installed, but certain packages like cron will be very mysterious to new users & may seem like some weird random useless bit of software even though they are needed. As in the previous post, you should be fairly sure of what your doing in removing something & have done a decent amount of searching to figure more mysterious packages out before removing. Given the amount of searching required to be sure, there is a bit of a cost benefit question of 'should I bother to worry?'
If you are really interested in the guts of your OS at more than casual level then go for it & dig into what the package does. Indeed it's probably a fun & interesting learning experience for many users & can help turn you into a great power user. That being said most mystery stuff does something, at least that's what I found looking up a few random bits here & there. After nuking a desktop system or two & doing some searching I've concluded that I & most others shouldn't worry much about a mystery package or two being on your distro of choice. Please do look it up if you have any interest in what it does at all, but I discourage anyone from even thinking of removing something if they can't answer the question "... If I never use it, then is removing it a good idea or a bad idea?" before they seriously consider removing anything.
For some things like 'GB english' or 'NewZeland english' on a distro in the US, then by all means remove them if you don't want useless updates. Those aren't things to be worried about removing. Indeed one thing I like about PCLinuxOS is that it removes useless graphics drivers. I think it would be nice if more distros did that & offered ways to comb through the packages on the system most likely to be useless & remove them. Barring that, use caution & do your research on things that aren't fairly obvious. Also most people will only think mystery packages are fun to dig into the first few times & will promptly forget what they do anyway. Those that go the other way with it & figure out a lot about their system may be destined to be masters of the universe; however, there probably won't be very many mystery packages that do nothing & free up much in the way of system resources.
Interesting article for those interested in the subject, which I found when searching for useless daemons/ background processes:
http://www.tuxradar.com/content/banish-your-daemons
38 • @30 fall-back method (by ned on 2017-12-05 20:08:03 GMT from Austria)
It's a very good idea to set up the backup domain distrowatch.org as http-only if possible - so nobody will be closed out for whatever reason.
39 • @ 38 Correction (by ned on 2017-12-05 21:23:11 GMT from Austria)
For "nobody will be closed out" read "nobody will be locked out"
... sorry!
40 • @37: (by dragonmouth on 2017-12-05 23:22:01 GMT from United States)
" care should be taken when removing many such packages"
I definitely agree with you on that point. That is why beginner Linux users should use a GUI package manager, such as Synaptic, that provides dependency checking, rather than a command line utility. While it may be macho and sexy to use apt and dpkg and other command line package managers, they do not hold the user's hand.
41 • removing unwanted crud (by dick on 2017-12-06 00:07:18 GMT from Canada)
@22, @34
Bleachbit... seems to do a very good job
removing... superfluous-thingamabob.
42 • typo in 40, or misinformation? (by tim on 2017-12-06 00:15:43 GMT from United States)
Cannot understand why are you averse to the prospect apt commands issued via commandline. The same dependency checking is performed as would be if the command is initiated via synaptic. Unless one types (pastes?) a commandstring which specifies --force, the user is presented noticication of any consequential additions/removals and is asked Y/N whether to proceed.
43 • GeckoLinux updates (by sb56637 on 2017-12-06 03:17:01 GMT from Ecuador)
Hi everyone, GeckoLinux creator here. Glad to see the interest and positive comments about GeckoLinux. Sorry for the delays, but we will indeed have updated releases based on Leap 42.3 and Tumbleweed before too long, with significant improvements.
44 • Random Packages (by argent on 2017-12-06 04:49:12 GMT from United States)
@22, 34, 41: Found deborphan commandline tool finds and offers to safely remove orphaned packages.
Also fslint for duplicate files plus other tools that are a bit vague, regardless a great application with gui.
@ 41: Use Bleachbit and found it to be both powerful and quite safe, best tool for cruft.
For Debian, found smxi a very useful tool, lot of options and downright awesome!
Big fan of getting rid of cruft and anything not needed to run my install.
45 • @42: (by dragonmouth on 2017-12-06 13:36:18 GMT from United States)
Do you really expect beginner Linux users to be capable of using apt to manage their software packages without corrupting their systems? Many people using Linux never bother to learn CLI, especially since Linux is advanced enough to be used without resorting to CLI. The command line is very useful but learning it is not a priority for many Linux users. For them, GUI is more than sufficient.
46 • unneeded files/apps (by OstroL on 2017-12-06 14:09:41 GMT from Poland)
The commands apt autoremove, apt clean, apt autoclean don't clean everything. I wonder how Bleachbit cleans more. It is a GUI app, though. Is there a way to clean everything as Bleachbit does through CLI?
47 • @46 - Bleachbit CLI (by Chris on 2017-12-06 16:41:58 GMT from United States)
@46 - "Is there a way to clean everything as Bleachbit does through CLI?"
Sure, use Bleachbit (https://www.bleachbit.org/documentation/command-line).
Tip (Oversimplified): Remember that Linux apps are often a lot like a layer cake with a GUI app, over a CLI frontend app(s), over sometimes another CLI frontend app(s), and finally over the core CLI app(s). Sometimes all these layers are by the same developers, but often they are not, in whole or in part.
A good first-step is to check for a man page (i.e., > man bleachbit), a help flag (i.e., > bleachbit --help), or failing at those a web search (i.e., "bleachbit cli"). If those fail you, just dig into any GUI apps dependencies list (check the dependencies' dependencies too) and you will usually find what app you are looking for if you dig far enough.
In this case (again oversimplified), you will find that the Bleachbit GUI uses its own internal CLI (to both some internal code and as a frontend to some third-party apps, i.e., apt).
I hope this helps you now and in the future.
48 • https only reply (by sherman jerrold on 2017-12-06 18:35:29 GMT from United States)
Reply to 30 • HTTPS only (by Jesse on 2017-12-05 00:30:14 GMT from Canada)
Jesse, thank you. I understand and agree with many of the security concerns and think that if distrowtch.org uses plain http that would be a very considerate and responsible option, since dozens of novice and low income users I work with (with live CDs of older distro versions) use them because they can't afford to buy new computers that will run current versions of the distros. Also, some of them are not savvy enough to understand about hardware clock vs. o/s clock setting, GMT vs. their time zone etc. In Arizona there is no Daylight Savings Time, further complicating things for novices. In summary, my organization works to provide an equal playing field for all people, expanding internet access to low income people in our area and we decry the 'money solves everything' attitude that discards opportunity for many of meager means. One of the great strengths of Linux is that is is egalitarian, providing opportunity for all.
49 • @ 47 Chris (by OstroL on 2017-12-06 22:12:17 GMT from Poland)
"Is there a way to clean everything as Bleachbit does through CLI?"
"as Bleachbit" is not how to use Bleachbit in the terminal. The keyword is "as" meaning some other way than using Bleachbit.
50 • Plain HTTP (by Jesse on 2017-12-07 02:23:03 GMT from Canada)
@48: The distrowatch.org domain is now serving up over plain http and should remain that way when distrowatch.com makes the transition on Friday. If anyone has trouble reaching either domain, you can e-mail me at the address attached to this post.
51 • @49 (by Chris on 2017-12-07 02:36:10 GMT from United States)
@49 - Please see again my prior answer, @47.
52 • @50 • Plain HTTP - Jesse (by ned on 2017-12-07 10:11:00 GMT from Austria)
Thanks! *My* circumstances happen to allow me to use https, but it's great that people who for some reason can't also have the possibility to access Distrowatch.
53 • ReactOS (by OstroL on 2017-12-07 14:17:12 GMT from Poland)
Did anyone booted ReactOS live? It gives a blue screen of death every time I try it. This time too.
54 • http on alternative site and security problems (by Dxvid on 2017-12-07 14:44:05 GMT from Sweden)
@50 having distrowatch.org serve http is a great solution for the very few who can't use modern TLS encryption.
I'm a bit surprised that there even exists hardware which can't handle TLS, but if some old equipment has survived over 15 years why not please the few using extremely old equipment? Enabling http on the .org site is a good middle ground. These days even extremely low budget "computers" like Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 can handle https traffic, they don't cost much more than a few hamburgers or hair styling products. Browsing the net on a R-Pi works good as long as you don't open too many tabs simultaneously.
However using an old distro installation or liveCD that can use only http will result in a system lacking the latest decade of patches and will leave the user vulnerable to hundreds of different security problems if they leave their computer on for more than a few minutes at a time. Scanning for vulnerable systems is automated these days and using an old unpatched system will result in security problems within a few minutes. Forcing those who use old unpatched operating systems to upgrade to a recent liveCD or installed distro would actually be a good thing as they leave their computers vulnerable to attacks by continuing to use extremely old unpatched OSes. I've tested this a few times when I've set up new servers and reviewed the logs, it usually takes 5 minutes or so before the various types of attacks start on a new server using a previously unused IP-address. After a few hours the logs show hundreds of thousands of attempts to find vulnerabilities from IPs all over the world, after a day there's millions of attempts. An old unpatched system will probably get hacked or get infected within an hour. An old liveCD will get compromised every time a user connects to the internet, but with every restart of the machine it will be cleaned.
55 • ReactOS (by Somewhat Reticent on 2017-12-08 05:11:25 GMT from United States)
Can't boot from USB device - since 2014-01-30_04:14 [bug CORE-7826] - live or not. Many reasons, no excuses.
56 • @53 • ReactOS BSOD (by Woodstock69 on 2017-12-08 06:46:15 GMT from Australia)
Works fine under VBox. Have not tried a physical install. Have you verified your image checksum is valid?
57 • Nvidia binaries in live images (by Nate on 2017-12-08 17:41:06 GMT from United States)
Pop!_OS's offering of live image with the nvidia binaries already baked in is appealing. It would be great if we could search your database using that as criteria.
58 • quickie distro reviews (by cleva puta ppl on 2017-12-09 21:54:56 GMT from Australia)
Gobuntu
"88% Windows Compatibility [using only WINE]
100% Chrome App Compatibility
81% Android App Compatibility"
Pop!OS
"Code life into the machinery of the future...create incredible robots to do nearly anything...Teach computers to discover planets, a car to drive, or a city to manage itself... Calculate the size of stars or a path to Mars. Smash atoms and fold proteins."
ReactOS
blue screens, limited or no USB support.
Clearly the problem with ReactOS is that it's not buntu-based, and it has no new wallpapers. If it had these features its functionality would skyrocket.
59 • Bodhi, Peppermint and Pop!OS vs ReactOS (by edcoolio on 2017-12-09 23:56:07 GMT from United States)
Firstly, let me say how happy I am about the Bodhi and Peppermint updates!
Bodhi in particular as they still have 32 bit distributions (Legacy) for Non-PAE processors. I have a couple of these kicking around, running Pentium M 2.0 Ghz, 2GB RAM, and 16GB SSD via IDE adapter laptops. I can force PAE with this processor with Lubuntu. One is running like that. However, there is a lot to be said for the no-hassle Bodhi distro on these machines. Nice and easy with an outstanding interface for such an old laptop that still kicks around decently on the modern web.
@58 As for ReactOS, they clearly state they are an Alpha release software. Unfortunately, it looks like they will stay like that for the next decade. I love the work they are attempting to do, but it is only for playing.
Pop!OS is more like: Oh look, another one. I like more distros, to be sure, but this is yet another one that doesn't really ADD anything other than new wallpapers and a few different apps IMHO.
In this way it reminds me of LXLE. It is basically Lubuntu with makeup. Not impressive. In fact, the extra "junk" slows down the computer I listed above. The problem I have noticed with these distributions for "old" computers is that the only thing that seems to be taken into account is RAM. That is helpful, but frankly I'm more worried about CPU cycles on a single threaded computer. Let's not even discuss the poor GPU.
60 • Week-end thoughts (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2017-12-10 17:14:04 GMT from United States)
I thought Pop!OS was primarily about making sure (System76) hardware works. Thankfully, sometimes concern for the brand motivates quality as well. Nice to see them hobble Intel's Management Engine (ME) for individuals.
LXLE aims at responsiveness, taking a more complete look at what makes a system a better toolset (rather than tunnel-vision on RAM) to make the user more effective, choosing settings and apps accordingly. Like most distros, they list minimum and recommended system capabilities.
A general classification like "for older computers" is a nice start, but it's best to examine the details - how "old", what specs exactly, etc.
Tumbleweed app-snapshots - like app-images?
Q4OS loopback install - like frugal? Tradeoffs?
"cheaply-built Chinese Clevo laptops" - they barebones-OEM good chassis from high-end top-quality workstations to affordables (and thus re-sell-ables) but no, not 'ruggedized' like a ToughBook.
ReactOS - keeping Microsoft off their backs by never threatening to displace XP in the real-world market, even though "not supported" (and still present in, say, ATMs)?
61 • Debian (by Werner Meidlein on 2017-12-10 21:59:28 GMT from Canada)
I find Debian is not getting the Credit for being easy to install, all it takes, read a few Lines answer a few Questions and you have a great stable System! Give the many who make it so easy,Credit!
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