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1 • Ubuntu Gnome (by DaveW on 2017-10-30 01:19:31 GMT from United States) |
I don't use any distro that utilizes a global menu bar. A global menu bar seems to work best on a fairly small screen where all apps are being run full screen. My system is a desktop with two large monitors. There are usually multiple different sized windows on each screen, so it just doesn't work for me.
2 • Wayland in VirtualBox? (by Brenton Horne on 2017-10-30 01:54:05 GMT from Australia)
Um last time I checked Wayland could not run in VirtualBox, as they haven't created functional graphics drivers for it. Are you sure you were running Wayland in VirtualBox? I hope that I'm wrong and some big development has happened here (after all it'd save me from having to install distros or run live sessions to try out their Wayland sessions) but I must admit I doubt I am.
3 • Gnome (by rooster12 on 2017-10-30 06:02:05 GMT from United States)
Have never liked or found myself wanting to install Gnome DE on anything. Just reminds me too much of a toddlers child's toy push button and make noise game. One that has a number of square blocks and toddler interacts with.
Behoove Ubuntu or any distro to move to a much more functional and attractive DE like Xfce or LXDE.
4 • I still prefer Unity 7 to Gnome-shell, if that was the question. (by lenn on 2017-10-30 07:04:50 GMT from Canada)
I still prefer Unity 7 to Gnome-shell, if that was the question. There is also an Ubuntu 17.10 based Unity7 iso and a Ubuntu 18.04 based Unity7-Testing iso found in the internet, if you search for it. Btw, the same person had uploaded an Ubuntu 18.04 based Guntu iso with more traditional looking Gnome experience.
Unity as Compiz plugin is much nicer and stable to use than Gnome-shell as a plugin to mutter. Gnome is becoming more and more featureless, looking more like the now defunct Windows 8. One can, of course, change it to more traditional looking Gnome, which the Guntu iso had proved.
5 • using Ubuntu w/o gnome or unity (by denk_mal on 2017-10-30 07:50:40 GMT from Germany)
I am using Ubuntu with xfce and have therefore chosen the option"I am not an Ubuntu user" to be as true as possible
6 • global menu (by Krisztian on 2017-10-30 08:04:21 GMT from Hungary)
"I also noticed that some applications use the global menu bar while others do not."
I have the same issue with Unity and 16.04. :)
7 • Ubuntu (by Patrick on 2017-10-30 09:31:34 GMT from United States)
Of all the flavors of Ubuntu and all of its derivatives I like Ubuntu MATE the best. Also, there's a great derivative of it called Li-f-e (Linux for education) I recently installed it on an old laptop flawlessly. It is based on 16.04LTS, works extremely well and has a boat load of apps for everything educational, games too! The only drawback is it only comes in 64 bit. Found @ sourceforge.
8 • Ubuntu Desktop (by jymm on 2017-10-30 10:29:15 GMT from United States)
I am also an Ubuntu Mate user. Seems the poll should have had at the least "other desktop".
9 • Congrats (by lupus on 2017-10-30 10:53:23 GMT from Germany)
Very nice perception of one major new Ubuntu flaw. And I thought I must be the idiot in the room for finding the new software Center slow and very uncomfortable.
When I confronted myself with Linux back in the days one of the things that made the transition so convenient for me was the Ubuntu Software Center which worked very well then. Whenever I tried to convert someone to use Linux I showed them how easy stuff was being found, installed and maintained (updated). This is no longer the case. Whenever I now fire up one Ubuntu the first thing to do is to get synaptic installed cause that still works, though for newbies it is not very convenient.
I hope this mess gets fixed very soon cause for the foreseeable future I'll recommend Manjaro to newbies, not very convenient either but then again it is a rolling release model which I nowadays prefer.
10 • Security on x86 hardware (by pepa65 on 2017-10-30 11:00:02 GMT from Thailand)
About security of any OS on x86 hardware: http://www.osnews.com/story/30062/Replacing_exploit-ridden_firmware_with_a_Linux_kernel
Basically, it is virtually hopeless.
11 • Ubuntu Unity and Gnome (by silent on 2017-10-30 11:04:03 GMT from France)
There is a missing option, I don't like any of the two DE's. I had Ubuntu Unity installed, but actually used Mate. Now after the upgrade I decided to uninstall completely both Unity and Gnome, just leave Mate, but without decorations like Compiz and HUD. That was unfortunately rather complicated as 'apt autoremove' has not worked well and it has left lots of packages to be removed manually. It is probably better to start with a fresh install. For me the genuine, clean, unscattered Ubuntu feeling is still Gnome2 (Mate).
12 • Unity vs gnome in Ubuntu 17.10 (by fox on 2017-10-30 11:15:24 GMT from Canada)
I actually like them both and was using both prior to the release of 17.10. I am now trying to use Gnome only, since that is what Ubuntu is now supporting. But one feature I care about that Unity has and Gnome doesn't have is one-click access to recently used files. You can get close to that by installing the "recent" extension on gnome, but it doesn't list files accessed with apps like Microsoft Word that run on Wine. Irrespective of which desktop, a problem I'm having with 17.10 is that firejail no longer works properly. You now need to add an extra command to get a keyboard working on it, at least when you use it to start up a browser. And on a clean install of 17.10 (gnome only), a browser started up with firejail has no internet access (at least with Firefox or Chromium).
13 • Ubuntu 17.10 (by Sanjay on 2017-10-30 11:19:37 GMT from India)
I agree ubuntu 17.10 running wayland is more responsive then previous one, but none of screencast application support ubuntu 17.10, Wayland support green recorder also hang my system always to I install kubuntu from ppa back ports and its running smoothly, waiting eagerly for ubuntu 18.04 .....
14 • Wayland on VBox (by sydneyj on 2017-10-30 11:19:51 GMT from United States)
@2 I am typing this from Ubuntu 17.10 on Wayland, installed in VBox. I will never use Gnome day-to-day, but was curious about the new Ubuntu. Try it in VBox yourself. Never a hitch, so far.
15 • Ubuntu 17.10 (by Rick on 2017-10-30 11:47:24 GMT from United States)
The best thing about 17.10 is that you can install gnome-session and have a real Gnome desktop. That way you never have to be reminded about Unity again!
16 • Wayland in VirtualBox (by Brenton Horne on 2017-10-30 12:52:28 GMT from Australia)
I had already run Ubuntu 17.10 in a VirtualBox and its Wayland session ran so perfectly with even Docky running fine (which fails to launch on Wayland for me on Arch Linux) that I thought it must have fallen back on Xorg, hence didn't realize I was actually running Wayland! Thanks for enlightening me. Just goes to show how great Ubuntu 17.10's Wayland support is now.
17 • Ubuntu 17.10 (by Sophia on 2017-10-30 14:11:51 GMT from Canada)
I prefer gnome-session with gnome-tweak-tool, although you can reconfigure Ubuntu DE using dconf-editor to look and behave like a standard Gnome DE. On Wayland firefox flickers at startup and synaptic won't launch, probaly because of my Raedeon graphics, on Xorg everything is fine.
18 • Waiting list distribution ArchMerge (by Tuxie on 2017-10-30 14:19:19 GMT from Switzerland)
ArchMerge is a project from Erik Dubois, former project leader in ArchLabs. It definitely deserves attention of Distrowatch.com 's visitors! Thank you for brisk mind and putting this project into waiting list! :) Cheers from Czech republic. T.
19 • News (by Geo. on 2017-10-30 14:48:02 GMT from Canada)
Congrats to all teams for moving their distros forward. Your hard work is very much appreciated, and it's why I always give what I can afford If I make an install.
Concerning Mint, that's a bit of a bombshell; I never thought they'd give up the KDE edittion, but I guess it's important to focus limited resources, and leave KDE to specialists like KDE neon.
20 • Gnome vs Unity (by bison on 2017-10-30 15:27:43 GMT from United States)
I did not vote because the poll does not have full coverage. I am a Ubuntu user, I have tried 17.10, but I dislike both Gnome and Unity. I supposed I could have voted for the desktop that I dislike the least, but it's a close call.
21 • moved on to Debian (by Peter on 2017-10-30 15:53:22 GMT from United States)
Used to use Ubuntu since inception, but 17.04 was a mess with guaranteed lock ups on resume that made me move upstream to Debian Testing with Gnome for much the same benefits, and without the distracting sidebar and inconsistent global menus. Ubuntu's benefits still retain the smaller live image, ease of choices for encryption of home directory for traveling laptops, and easier configuration of shared directories and printers that I miss.
22 • fix for firejail running firefox under ubuntu 17.10 (by Laubster on 2017-10-30 16:11:35 GMT from United States)
@12 Looks like a fix has been made, and a workaround is presently available: https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/issues/1611
23 • Alas Mint KDE (by Sam on 2017-10-30 16:14:12 GMT from United States)
Oh no! My long-time favorite flavor of Linux is going away?
::curls into a fetal position, daunted by the anxiety of what conflicts and glitches he could encounter trying to install KDE Plasma over a future Cinamon-friendly version of Mint::
24 • @9 lupus: (by dragonmouth on 2017-10-30 17:14:01 GMT from United States)
It's a matter of personal preference. After having used Synaptic and various versions of Software Center, I find all iterations of Software Center very inconvenient. Software Center may be pretty and easy for newbies to use but Synaptic is much more functional. I prefer function over looks.
25 • RIP Mint KDE (by karibou on 2017-10-30 17:31:08 GMT from Canada)
So sad to learn Mint KDE will be phased out. Since the announcement I have tested several debian/ubuntu-based distros sporting the KDE Plasma desktop. With some I could not use Synaptic, with others I did not like the Software Center, with others the support was lacking and/or it was a one-man show and/or the distro was unstable. My HP Skylake laptop being my dayly driver, I settled with debian-based Netrunner 17.06 and installed the openprinting brlaser driver (I have a DCP-7060D Brother printer), and opted to dual-boot with KaOS. So far, no regrets. On the other hand, I am also closely monitoring development of Solus KDE. And yes you guessed it KDE is my favourite desktop environment. So it is possible to find a suitable replacement if you put your mind and efforts to it. Best of luck!.
26 • @18 ArchMerge (by OstroL on 2017-10-30 17:38:20 GMT from Poland)
Beautiful distro! Just installed it. Distro is done very well. It is better that Erik Dubios left the metal head company.
27 • Unity and Mint KDE (by Christian on 2017-10-30 17:54:47 GMT from Brazil)
Call me crazy, but I did liked Unity. I've used it for years and with no desire to distro hop again. Big icons, a side panel, almost no distractions and everything (mostly) worked... But I really liked the HUD. That's something not to be abandoned...
Since the announcement that Ubuntu would drop Unity, I went back to distro hopping (it is kind of fun - but very unproductive). Lots of *buntus, went back to Fedora, Mandriva (Mageia), OpenSuse, Manjaro, etc.
I've found a new home for me in Mint KDE edition (yes I've spent quite a long time to make it look just the way I wanted it to). And now Mint is retiring it too...
Now I'll have to move again. I do have Peppermint OS (that's another distro that I like very much) and I'm looking into replacing Mint with Maui.
28 • Ubuntu, Unity and Gnome (by Dave on 2017-10-30 18:00:50 GMT from United States)
I don't use any of them. Gnome 2 was fine, but Gnome 3 brings out my inner John Cleese. Gnome 3 has driven me berserk every time I've tried to use it. Plus, if it weren't for Gnome 3, maybe we wouldn't have systemd forced on us in order to support it.
Give me a simple XFCE, then spend the saved effort on integrating it into the distro, and all the packages.
29 • About Mint decision on dropping KDE (and why Mint should also drop Mate too). (by mim yucel on 2017-10-30 20:13:32 GMT from Turkey)
I find very logical Mint's decision on "dropping KDE" since KDE brings nothing extra (no additional value/pleasure) to DE. Cinnamon is so ergonomic perfect designed that no any DE could be better. Then why to lose time with KDE. (And also "why to lose time with Mate" is being explaned in following lines.)
For "weak" machines (PC 's), xfce is a need. But I don't understand what extra brings the "Mate" DE. Comparing to Cinnamon, I see only an disadvantage with Mate that Mate uses (and so letting us losing from useable screen area) twice panel lines (one on the top and one on the bottom). Cinnamon uses only one panel line (at the bottom).
30 • Some words on ergonomics about "Gnome, Budgie, Unity" DE 's (by mim yucel on 2017-10-30 20:33:48 GMT from Turkey)
Gnome, Budgie, Unity Desktop-Environment especially suitable for "touch-screen" machines ( e.g. ; Tablets). When we hold tablet we can command some icons with the left-hand-fingers since some icons are there. But if we don't use a tauch-screen machine then these systems (Gnome, Budgie, Unity) bring no advantage but disadvantage (losing useable screen area).
If we use a "non-touch-screen PC" (a PC with only a klavier useable) then again Cinnamon DE is the best ergonomic solution.
31 • and some additions. (by mim yucel on 2017-10-30 21:01:02 GMT from Turkey)
If you look at KDE 's development for last 12 years, it began to look like Cinnamon, since (my guess) KDE 's developers wished to make KDE better (ergonomic more usefull). So it has gone closer to Cinnamon. Then why to keep two Cinnamon existing. Leave one of them in use which is better and drop other. (I mean ; Continuing with real Cinnamon and dropping KDE is a good solution. So the developers don't divide their efforts, they unite their concentration on the one DE.
If some "Linux and/or DE" flauvors bring no real advantage - value etc.. then to work for their extra-existence is only sensless losing time/efforts of developers (and lose for Linux community generally)).
32 • Gnome & Unity (by david esktorp on 2017-10-30 21:11:06 GMT from United States)
If Gnome and/or Unity (distributions) would've been easily installable on tablets and phones, they would've been widely accepted and well-received. The lack of anything resembling a common user-accessible standard for the glut of touchscreen devices has been the big show stopper. Somebody, somewhere in the corporate idea mill figured all of us would be using touchscreens by now. They were wrong.
Until that happens, I predict we will continue to see a quiet and slow retreat back toward the 'traditional' desktop, at least for desktop-intended distributions. It already happened. Look how many Gnome distros tweak it to be like Gnome 2. Yet like the political weasels they are, the Gnome people will never admit that they made a huge design mistake.
Maybe the whole experience was a social experiment to see how people would react to having their workflows up in the air for years.
Watch the Gnome people discontinue their shell and then Ubuntu will switch the Gtk3 Mate and everything will be like a slickered up 2010. Lucid Lynx 2.0 here we come..
33 • So...it is official then...Good. (by Tom Joad on 2017-10-31 01:11:26 GMT from Germany)
Unity is officially gone.
Well, no diff to me as I left Ubuntu long ago. Oh, I still toy with the Mate version. Actually, I need to do an update for that right after this. However, I never mess with the rest of that stunted, noisome brood. I stay away.
These days I am pretty much Mint of whatever flavor tickles me fancy and work of course. Yes, there is always work to be done. I have even walked away from MX15 to 16 too though that is quite a distro.
Cheers. Must toil away.
34 • Mint KDE; the poll; GNOME's UI (by eco2geek on 2017-10-31 02:29:03 GMT from United States)
Mint's KDE edition has always been a class act, from the artwork (an excellent collection of wallpapers) to the applications that the Mint team wrote and included. I will miss it when it's gone.
Your poll doesn't really allow an answer to the question "has swapping out Unity for GNOME ... made using Ubuntu better or worse"? It just asks whether you prefer GNOME shell or Unity.
I don't particularly like either one of them, but it's always good to have another choice of desktop UI available. So I think Canonical's dropping Unity makes us Linux users poorer in general.
(I have Ubuntu 17.10 Desktop installed even though I don't like GNOME, because I do like playing around with Linux in general and Ubuntu-based distros in particular. Besides, I've also got several distros installed that are running KDE/Plasma. And it's interesting to keep up with the changes.)
By the way, that button in the top right hand corner of the GNOME shell UI isn't a system tray, it's a "status menu", although you can increase or decrease the volume by running your mouse wheel up or down over it. Click on the button, and -- among several other things -- it shows a menu containing the volume control, a menu allowing you to log out or change user settings, and buttons to bring up the system settings dialog box or shut down.
GNOME recently did away with the system tray, actually , although Ubuntu included a shell extension that allows you to use so-called indicator applets  with version 17.10.
35 • RE: Several "what if" security questions......... (by 2damncommon on 2017-10-31 03:44:16 GMT from United States)
Ummm, wow. I've got to give a......I don't know, something...to Distrowatch for putting out these questions. The answers, while good are not anywhere as interesting. Personally, I'd be doing a whois on the IP I got those questions from, being shocked it revealed nothing.
36 • desktop environments (by imnotrich on 2017-10-31 05:09:54 GMT from Mexico)
Sorry, but Unity, Windows 8, Gnome 3, Mate (aka Gnome 3 jr, it's nothing like classic Gnome anymore) are garbage on the laptop or desktop. Counter-intuitive, clumsy, incomplete, incompatible with many programs/buggy and in some cases difficult or impossible to customize.
I don't have recent experience with KDE, having abandoned it years ago for many of the same reasons cited above.
Right now there are only two serious, functional desktop environments worthy of consideration. Cinnamon, and for less powerful computers Xfce.
Myself I haven't written any code in almost 50 years and the languages I knew are pretty much extinct.
So no disrespect intended to hardworking developers but I do hope they come to the realization eventually that different devices (phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, servers) are used for different tasks therefore no DE designed for a phone or tablet with a touchscreen is going to translate well for use on a laptop/desktop.
37 • mint kde (by peer on 2017-10-31 06:15:46 GMT from Netherlands)
sorry to see mint kde go.
I switched over a year ago from Mint kde to Neon. No regrets at all. Neon is perfect for me.
38 • Cinnamon Desktop (by jymm on 2017-10-31 10:22:36 GMT from United States)
I will admit it has been a while since i tried the Cinnamon desktop, and maybe it has improved, but I switched to Mate because of Cinnamon's continual crashing. If I remember correctly they even had a way to restore the crashes they were so common. .
39 • Post # 29 (by Winchester on 2017-10-31 11:20:15 GMT from United States)
MATE can easily be set-up with only one panel. Just remove one of them. Maybe move anything that you need from the second panel to the panel which you will keep.
MATE is more resource friendly than Cinnamon. In the same ballpark as XFCE. Also,the Cinnamon panel can be placed at the top or at the bottom.
40 • poll (by sam on 2017-10-31 11:35:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
I have never found a DE that I like as much as GNOME2. I'm grateful that the MATE team do such a great job to keep it going.
41 • Ubuntu/GNOME-Debian/KDE memory usage comparison (by Dojnow on 2017-10-31 13:46:48 GMT from Bulgaria)
"the distribution tended to use about 790MB to 830MB of RAM and a fresh install took up about 4.6GB of hard drive space. " while KDE (Plasma desktop) on Debian Unstable 64b: 282 to 297 MB and ~1.76 GB :P
42 • Mint MATE (by davidnotcoulthard on 2017-10-31 13:58:22 GMT from Indonesia)
@29 Err...MATE is the fork of the software which featured in early mint releases...which were also single-panelled.
In fact, isn't Mint's current setup with MATE exactly as it was in GNOME 2 days. The only 2-panelled Mint I recall was the one with MGSE.
43 • de (by Tim Dowd on 2017-10-31 16:28:03 GMT from United States)
I'm another one who chose "I don't use Ubuntu" when in fact I use Ubuntu-MATE. The last two releases of Ubuntu MATE (17.04 and 17.10) have been simply excellent, on a variety of computers.
44 • Linux Mint (by OldGoat on 2017-10-31 17:40:18 GMT from United States)
IMO the Linux Mint team spread themselves too thin trying to support all those DE. Had they concentrated solely on Cinnamon ( along with MATE for all the distro hoppers & XFCE for the minimum hardware spec crowd) they would have been so much further ahead.
They should have also cut Ubuntu out of the picture and based their distro straight off of debian (ala LMDE) to further differentiate themselves. A distro (Mint) based on a distro (Ubuntu) that itself is based on another distro (debian)? Some clarity of vision seems necessary.
45 • Synaptic on Ubuntu and Wayland (by Tim Parkin on 2017-10-31 20:55:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi. I think there is a problem running Synaptic with Wayland. Wayland does not want to run a GUI as root. it is a design feature apparently
There are work arounds or you can use xserver I think
46 • Great point... (by tom joad on 2017-11-01 02:56:02 GMT from France)
What a great point. Mint should sharpen and focus their development resources by reducing the number of DE's to support and link directly with Debian.
I like it. That could make for a better, stronger and even more dependable distro.
Astute observation that should be considered.
47 • DEs (by Gary W on 2017-11-01 05:29:45 GMT from Australia)
@28 @36 it is reassuring how closely your experiences parallel mine. Modern DEs, with their feature and code size bloat, don't do anything for me. I'm very happy with MX Linux, a collaborative project between the Mepis people and the Antix people, based on XFCE, which is probably the most stable and mature of the big-name DEs.
By the way XFCE is not just for low powered computers, it's really good on modern hardware. Low powered brains like mine, perhaps.
48 • Unity was better (by Phil on 2017-11-01 08:17:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm amongst the minority who preferred Unity. There was a lot about it that I really didn't like, but the one thing that kept me using it was the ability to put menus in the window title bar. I hated not being able to put application items up at the top of the screen tough.
I tried Gnome but couldn't get it to reliably work the way I wanted to. Then I tried KDE Neon and you can reduce the menu bar to a button on the title bar. Given I rarely use menus this is perfect for me. I also much prefer the simple look and feel.
So now my windows can use the full screen that I have (1920x1080, i.e. not a netbook). I rarely see the need to have applications anything other than full screen, but I'm a keyboard user over a mouse user.
I am tempted to go with Arch for my main laptop though (with KDE). I've migrated my Arm boxes to Arch, having used Slackware for many, many years, including on my desktop (with XFCE).
49 • @Jesse: regarding Q&A (by BigM on 2017-11-01 14:12:58 GMT from Germany)
You could also mention mechanisms like firejail and the like for protecting homedir against malevolent software,
instead of propagating the use of virtual machines for downloaded executables.
50 • Firejail (by Jesse on 2017-11-01 14:56:43 GMT from Canada)
@49: I love Firejail and use it, but I don't think it's a good fit for the scenario described in the Q&A column, for two reasons. 1. Firejail doesn't do enough to lock down unknown programs. To really get the most out of Firejail you need to be able to write a profile for each binary and that's not an ideal situation for someone who is downloading random third-party software. Firejail is good, but does not offer suitable protection for this specific situation. It's best used in scenarios where the user understands how a program is supposed to work and can tailor profiles to match.
2. One needs to remember to use Firejail each time the program is run, it doesn't activate automatically (like SELinux or AppAmor). So the user needs to either edit launchers or manually run the application using Firetail or Firetools. This isn't ideal for most people. With a virtual machine, anything installed and run inside the VM is always isolated automatically from the rest of the OS, no need to edit launchers or run other launch panels or remember to prefix commands with "firejail".
Firejail is great and I love it, but it's not great for the scenario the person was asking about.
51 • Obarun, Archbang, Artix (by Justin on 2017-11-01 15:04:07 GMT from United States)
Continuing the Obarun comments from last week, this project looks interesting to me. I hope they can collaborate with similar distros like Artix to keep their packages up-to-date. The point of Arch for me is constant updates (security being the most important). I grow to like Arch more all the time, so having a non-systemd version is what I'm looking for.
Also, a shoutout to Archbang for being so awesome. I've had all sorts of problems with Artix. The migration went bad for me. FYI, Open RC 0.25 stops using /etc/inittab, so if you were autologging in, that no longer works (I don't use/need a display manager; losing consolekit also messes with my networking; can't figure out how to make elogind launch dbus-session or anything, despite having the software and services started). Installing from the latest LXQT ISO and selecting to install a graphical desktop does not produce a working graphical desktop. I know Arch is DIY, but what's the point of having the installer ask you those types of questions and then not actually set it up (anyone can run pacman -S xorg*). The LiveCD still has the weird resolution issues in Virtualbox if you don't run full screen.
On the other hand, Archbang comes up with a nice looking desktop and does not have the quirks I see elsewhere (Arch OpenRC was also good for that, though no GUI by default). I haven't tried to do an install yet, but in the past, that has been pretty straightforward to get the same Archbang setup as the live CD. My only beef is not clearly knowing what parts are Archbang so that I can replicate the setup myself from a clean Arch OpenRC install, but since that project is dead, I guess it doesn't matter.
The Artix guys are doing a great job with maintaining Open RC packages, and I like the idea of Obarun and similar distros. I hope in time most of these little things work themselves out.
52 • Linux Mint and KDE (by Cor on 2017-11-01 15:31:09 GMT from United States)
I love KDE Plasma 4, it does everything, plus customization is a snap. I do not like gnome, at all. I began using gnome on Linux 16 years ago but dropped it quickly upon discovering KDE. That being said...I am not happy with Plasma 5. It takes away most of my desktop widgets, while offering themes, but only Breeze is offered. Breeze is a huge step backward for KDE. Customization becomes difficult. So I will continue to use Plasma 4 until something better comes along. Perhaps someone will fork Plasma 4 to keep it going. It has matured very nicely.
I must admit I have been awaiting Clem's decision to drop KDE, Cinnamon has been his main focus since its inception. Such a shame.
53 • Ubuntu 17.10 & Mint Cinnamon (by fox on 2017-11-01 16:47:55 GMT from Canada)
I have been a happy Ubuntu Unity user for several years, and have installed it onto every computer until recently. My most recent purchase was a Late 2015 27" iMac, which has a beautiful 5k display, but between it and the video card it came with (Radeon R9 M395), installing any Linux has been a major pita. No Linux distro will give me its full resolution (5120x2880), and no live distro I tried (and I tried many) would boot up in less than 5 minutes without modifying the boot parameters. Even with that option, none but one would boot up in a reasonable period of time and give me screen resolution options. The only exception: Mint 18.2 with the default kernel, cinnamon edition (I didn't try mate). I was never keen on Cinnamon before, but with no good alternative, I got to know it better and found that I could set it up with a panel on the left and operate it more or less like Gnome 3 or Unity. (I know that that doesn't appeal to many of you posting in DistroWatch, but it does to me.) Mint saved my bacon on this computer, and I learned from the experience that Cinnamon is a nice desktop. The only boot parameter I had to add to make this one work is "nointremap". And its operation is so specific that even updating the kernel from 4.8 to 4.10 made it stop booting. Go figure.
54 • Ubuntu & DEs (by M.Z. on 2017-11-01 19:55:46 GMT from United States)
As some others have said, the switch by Ubuntu to Gnome doesn't really seem to be any significant step forward for the average new to Linux user that seems to be a main target for Ubuntu. The trade seems like going from a slightly off beat Mac like experience, to something that would be very odd indeed if it weren't for the tweaks that Ubuntu devs added in. Didn't we already go through something like this with Mint Gnome Shell Extensions? If they are giving up on the kind of break with Gnome that Mint made, then this really just seems like a slow trip towards an odd ball UI design that isn't very appealing to most users. After all, XFCE & KDE both seem to have overtaken Gnome in users if the Linux desktop polls are to be believed.
On the up side I really liked to hear about how wayland is working far better now. Progress there is needed, so it's great to hear Ubuntu is contributing to improvements.
"That being said...I am not happy with Plasma 5. It takes away most of my desktop widgets, while offering themes, but only Breeze is offered."
One of the things I really liked about Mint KDE over the other KDE 5 distros I've tried like Mageia is that if I do enough playing around I can actually get the old Oxygen theme working fairly well almost everywhere. That plus Mint tools & the giant deb family repos makes it the KDE 5 distro I've tried. I will admit though that I had to play with various Qt 4 & 5 related tools in the repos before things really got to looking better than the flat & ugly themes that are all the rage at the moment.
I'll keep Mint KDE around for now, but I'm going to miss it when it's gone.
"I was never keen on Cinnamon before, but with no good alternative, I got to know it better and found that I could set it up with a panel on the left and operate it more or less like Gnome 3 or Unity. (I know that that doesn't appeal to many of you posting in DistroWatch, but it does to me.)"
Perhaps I'd be unlikely to move the panel there, but I have to say no to the rest of the generalization for one very specific reason. I personally feel that a great desktop should be flexible & allow the user to do what they want, the way they want. I think that's a true strength of several DEs in Linux, especially KDE, XFCE, & Cinnamon. If Gnome & Unity had the level of customization you describe built in rather than tacked on after the fact with things like 'Tweak' tools, then I'd feel a lot more likely to want to give them another try rather than give up on them.
Anyway, the point is that I'm glad that flexibility served you well. It seems far better to be defaults aren't locked in to the degree that they require special tools beyond normal desktop settings to get things working the way users want.
55 • ArchMerge (by argent on 2017-11-02 07:04:22 GMT from United States)
Awesome distro, very impressed and very much removed of ArchLabs. Running live ATM and found it unique and enjoyable to configure.
Has to be the fastest yet to load to a live desktop, easily connected to my wifi on my laptop. Absolutely zero lag that you may find with many distros in live mode. Behaves very much as if installed.
Kudos to the devoloper who put so much effort into ArchMerge, it shows!
56 • Gnomunity (by Paperlesstiger on 2017-11-02 12:01:26 GMT from United States)
To me, Gnome Shell suffers the same drawbacks as Unity, that is, eccentric defaults and no options. I can't say I really like the default setup of any DE, so I always customize it to my needs. With Gnome, this involves third party extensions that tend to break on a different schedule than the main DE. They need to just make a fully functional panel with applets and let things like docks, huds, and dashes be optional components.
57 • ArchMerge (by Patrick on 2017-11-02 15:13:12 GMT from United States)
I am now downloading ArchMerge because of comment 55. Thanks for the input. I previously overlooked it because of past Arch failures. I was even glad to give the requested dollar to it as I am always excited to try a new distro. There's so many of them out there to hop to and hopping them provides a fix to the hopper and helps the developer too. :)
58 • ArchMerge (by argent on 2017-11-02 18:04:12 GMT from United States)
@57 Patrick: Running an older Dell 5500N too! Manually connecting to wifi seems to be the norm for live-mode for any distribution but my router was identified and easily connected.
Arch is changing a lot, glad to see it has become a bit more user-friendly over the past year, especially for the noob.
Systemd-free distibutions with Arch has also gained my interest!
59 • Ubuntu Gnome (by Bunty Buntu on 2017-11-02 21:00:34 GMT from Canada)
I am using ubuntu since day one no matter what it is bundled with like spywares, snoopwares, sniffwares etc. Ubuntu has many DE flavors Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu and unofficials.
But still I have a quick-Q as Ubuntu 17.10 was the removal of the Unity 7 desktop in favour of GNOME 3.
Will Ubuntu 17.10 with GNOME-3 be less bundled with spywares, snoopwares, or sniffwares?
60 • Distros based on Arch (by OstroL on 2017-11-02 21:25:40 GMT from United States)
ArchMerge is pretty good It would've been nice, if Erik would 3 distros, rather than one 3-in-1 distro, Xfce4, Openbox and i3. These 3 actually trouble each other than compliment.
There is also an excellent distro named Archman-OS from Turkey on Xfce4.
There is also an Arch installer named Feliz, which is done by a getting older woman, Elizabeth Mills. She is getting over 73, and she's ready to give the system to someone, who could carry it on. Her words,
"And, finally, a fond farewell to you all from the creator of Feliz. I am retiring. I hope that someone will clone Feliz and keep the dream alive. Goodbye, and thanks for all the good times."
You can find it here, https://github.com/angeltoast/feliz2
61 • Ubuntu (by Tom on 2017-11-03 10:23:43 GMT from Germany)
Not using Ubuntu proper any more. Being a long-time Ubuntu user, starting with 7.04, I've experienced all those changes: from usable (though somewhat boring) GNOME 2 to smartphonish Unity (to avoid even more smartphonish GNOME Shell), from usable Nautilus to more and more crippled Files (GNOME Shell's 'merit', I know), from feature-lacking but somewhat usable F-Spot to even more feature-lacking Shotwell etc. Quickly replacing Shotwell with Digikam, I eventually began to warm for KDE Plasma 5 (had tried but never really liked KDE 3 nor KDE 4) and now I'm a happy KDE Neon user - using Ubuntu LTS as stable base.
62 • Solve Wayland Incompatibility With Synaptic, Screen Casting, etc. Very Simple (by sasdthoh on 2017-11-03 12:28:31 GMT from Netherlands)
A popular Youtube channel content provider, A. J. Reissig, has posted a video showing a very simple and effective solution to using Wayland with Synaptic and other root applications that only work with X. I tested the simple fix and its works without issues.
Give A.J. some support for his timely and productive fix. Once you have solved the problem, report back here on Distrowatch so all will know it solved your problems.
63 • Former spyware issues (by M.Z. on 2017-11-03 17:53:35 GMT from United States)
"Will Ubuntu 17.10 with GNOME-3 be less bundled with spywares, snoopwares, or sniffwares?"
No one liked the spyware in Unity less than me; however, it was always limited to the main edition of Ubuntu with the Unity Desktop. Those who were aware & wanted to avoid it could always do so, the problem was just the fact that those who were unaware of what was going on in the main edition were getting screwed. The problem was even fixed in the Unity version proper, although some of the old LTS versions with Unity are likely so still contain the offending feature (at very least I'd double check before installing).
Anyway the issues with spyware turned a lot of folks off of Ubuntu, but those issues are all gone from the newer versions of Ubuntu & have been for awhile. The image problems & issues with good will of many members of the community do remain, but those issues are highly dependent on the attitudes of users & their perception of the efforts of the Ubuntu team.
64 • @ 62 about wayland and synaptic (by OstroL on 2017-11-03 18:22:36 GMT from Poland)
Oh, you don't have to watch youtube videos for that, just go here, ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2375077&page=2#13 for the workaround.
65 • Dropping of Mint 's KDE (by mim yucel on 2017-11-03 21:18:48 GMT from Turkey)
"Complaining (and also wiping)" about dropped "not anough efficient distros (distro flouvers)" is a kind of conservatism. (non-logical arguments, only psychologic effects).
Let us consentrate our time and power on best-productive distros (distro flouvers).
(For my mind; The best distro is "Mint Cinnamon").
66 • Re: Pop!_OS (by eco2geek on 2017-11-05 00:25:20 GMT from United States)
As I have repeated many times, and will probably repeat many more, to anyone who will listen, I really dislike GNOME shell because of the design of its user interface.
On the other hand, I've been running Pop!_OS from a USB key for the last two days, and it's got a really snappy feel to it. I don't know if System 76 did anything special to it to make it that way (it's based on Ubuntu 17.10), or if it's because the distro doesn't have many applications pre-installed out of the box, but it feels fast, even after running off a USB key for 2 days.
Also, one thing System 76 did do was design their own shell theme and set of icons, and it looks good. (The only thing I don't like about it is that black-on-white text, for example text in dialog boxes, isn't really black, it's sort of a shade of gray, which makes it harder to read.)
Fortunately, one can overcome many of GNOME shell's deficiencies in the UI department by installing shell extensions. So I'm seriously thinking of installing this on a spare partition. Recommended.
And if all you want to try is the shell theme, it's available in their PPA:
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