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1 • Debian repositories (by Trihexagonal on 2017-07-10 00:40:58 GMT from United States)
I use FreeBSD as my main desktop OS but do run a Debian box and use the Stable repository exclusively.
2 • Peppermint (by Katcipis on 2017-07-10 01:17:37 GMT from Brazil)
Glad to see my favorite distro been nice reviewed. Only waitting to check the performance of Wattos 11, the contender.
3 • Debian (by Promet on 2017-07-10 02:02:19 GMT from Hong Kong)
I sometimes use Debian in VirtualBox. When I use Debian, I always stay at testing repo and keep rolling.
Some software in Debian sid can even be more conservative than other distro's stable version, meh.
4 • "this did not work out well either..." (by OS2_user on 2017-07-10 02:12:32 GMT from United States)
"... as it caused the system to no longer recognize keyboard input." Lucky you're an expert, as myself would have just deleted the VM and then the ISO file.
"I was unable to change my screen resolution" -- Yeah, I've found they love to hide the real controls in a 2nd obscure place, never bothering to mention: "second display configuration module called ARAndR".
"Which software is run locally and which is run through a web browser" -- Good, good. It's 2017 and we're moving back to time-shared terminals.
"The Ice software helps users set up short-cuts to websites and web-apps." Wow. Just like Windows, which I'm pretty sure has been doing that via "Properties" since at least 1993. -- Now that I think, DON'T know how to start a browser with specific URL in Linux, the icons don't seem to have "Properties".
Oh, well. I have given up on Linux (except for PCLinuxOS 2017, data seems safe, I just don't trust the GUI), but when I see the same struggles with basics here every week, the snark has gotta pop out.
I thought PCLinuxOS 2007 was great, was awed that could surf the web while it installed, no problems, and in only about 20 minutes! Now, you're writing code beyond anyone's abilities or needs. -- Just my 2 bucks. You're welcome.
5 • Debian (by dreadnaut on 2017-07-10 03:15:03 GMT from United States)
Stopped using Debian 2 years ago, replaced it with Devuan. My Devaun aplha install was finally upgraded to final stable in May. Not once did it even hicup over those two years.
No way would I use a distribution or derivative that doesn't have the user best interest in mind.
Not going to kick the systemd dog, clearly everyone knows that the original statement of it's implementation was a ruse for something more sinister.
6 • @4 (by dave on 2017-07-10 03:17:34 GMT from United States)
"Lucky you're an expert, as myself would have just deleted the VM and then the ISO file."
Nobody (with a brain) expects every OS to function perfectly in a VM, especially when that OS is a specialty OS such as Peppermint.
"Good, good. It's 2017 and we're moving back to time-shared terminals."
Terminals never went anywhere; they were rebranded as 'thin clients' and later 'netbooks'. The OS being reviewed was originally intended for netbooks. Despite changes in the marketing nomenclature, that general system target has not really changed.
"Wow. Just like Windows, which I'm pretty sure has been doing that via "Properties" since at least 1993. -- Now that I think, DON'T know how to start a browser with specific URL in Linux, the icons don't seem to have "Properties"."
Well if you couldn't figure it out, it must not be possible. ;)
"Oh, well. I have given up on Linux (except for PCLinuxOS 2017, data seems safe, I just don't trust the GUI), but when I see the same struggles with basics here every week, the snark has gotta pop out."
Snark? More like Troll.
"I thought PCLinuxOS 2007 was great, was awed that could surf the web while it installed, no problems, and in only about 20 minutes! Now, you're writing code beyond anyone's abilities or needs. -- Just my 2 bucks. You're welcome."
Use it and Windows Vista til you turn as blue as the screen in front of you.
7 • Synaptic (by Pat Menendez on 2017-07-10 03:30:07 GMT from Canada)
The review of Peppermint 8 has a factual inaccuracy. "Synaptic simply presents us with a list of available packages without concern for their role on the system" Synaptic doesn't just give you a list of packages and does have them available by category. Simply click on "sections" at the bottom and all the packages are arranged by function or category. I wish that everyone would switch to Synaptic. I've enjoyed using many other distros but end up with package management problems and walking away. In the 21st century as important as package management (pulling in dependencies) and updates should be simple as Synaptic and as 100% as consistently reliable as Synaptic.
8 • Synaptic (by lupus on 2017-07-10 04:29:12 GMT from Germany)
#7
Pat is right. For the moment I´m a happy camper with Manjaro and trying to solve the Solus Puzzle why they don´t integrate more Software, but whenever I somehow run into those shop like appliances for dealing with Software like in some Buntus or Elementary I directly turn to search if Synaptic is directly available because it is a tried and true piece of Software that never failed on me or annoyed me in one of the bazillion ways the more modern Softwareshops always do.
In Manjaro I had to learn to live without it..... and to my complete surprise there always is a way!
9 • Peppermint vs Linux Lite (by Simon Wainscott-Plaistowe on 2017-07-10 06:23:29 GMT from New Zealand)
I was using Peppermint to refurbish old computers but have recently switched to Linux Lite because to my mind it provides a slightly more consistent interface, also it leans towards local apps rather than the mix of web & local. Peppermint is an awesome distro though, I like it a lot. Anyway, to those who find it's almost but not quite what they want, I'd suggest giving Lite a try.
10 • Debain Package Poll (by cykodrone on 2017-07-10 07:40:12 GMT from Canada)
When I WAS running Debian, before systemd(isease), I used backports and downloaded .deb packages, as long as they matched my installed Debian version. I've even used alien to transform .rpm packages in to .deb packages. Then there's stuff like the Tor Browser (the repo install really sucks in Devuan, it keeps borking the signature check), I downloaded the distro agnostic executable (tor-browser-linux64-7.0.1_en-US.tar.xz, probably a higher version now) from the Tor Browser site, plopped the extracted folder in /home (you have to run it at least once first for it to create an icon you can work with), then made a menu entry in Xfce with 'Menu Editor'. Oh, I guess I should mention you have to find the Tor Browser icon (/home/username/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/icons/) and copy it to /usr/share/icons/, make sure the newly copied icon has the same permissions as the other icons in the same folder before using Menu Editor. You could just do it the simple way, run Tor once, right click on the newly created Tor icon and Send To/Desktop (Create Link). I've even compiled a few apps, if you have an internet connection and can copy and paste a command in to a terminal, you're good to go (if dependencies can be met, it's good to have backports enabled before compiling). I know most of you here know this stuff, it's actually aimed at newer users.
11 • PeppermintOS is the only distro that works smoothly out of box (by jinalix on 2017-07-10 09:12:09 GMT from Canada)
As a veteran distro-hopper PeppermintOS never failed me as i have installed iit nto countless old machines for those folks with old computers .....
Peppermint isn't only pretty it also works out of the box. ... all smooth and charming.
Thank you PeppermintOS team ...!
12 • welcome back PARDUS ,,,! (by Malabadix on 2017-07-10 09:25:19 GMT from Canada)
I'm very delighted to just to see that Pardus, my Turkish delight distro has returned to its original grounbreaking as a DESKTOP-tailorred distro for computer user out there.
13 • re. 4 & others (by Someguy on 2017-07-10 09:47:51 GMT from United Kingdom)
Used to like Peppermint, but no longer: trying to re-invent the wheel. An OS is nothing unless it usable by regular folk. Not to deny the guys who enjoy inventing new/different ways of operating, the Arch-ists and the Gentoos and co. PCL, Mint and a couple of others are popular because they work for more of us, have helpful fora, and exhibit raw productivity. K.I.S.S. still pertains.
14 • Custom scripts problem with Peppermint (by lenn on 2017-07-10 10:49:22 GMT from Canada)
There are some bugs in Peppermint. The old scripts don't always work well with newer Python. One of the problems Jessie had with Chromium happens from that. This problem with Chromium was happening for sometime (in Peppermint 7) too. Chromium is developing faster than the custom scripts.
Peppermint 4 was quite interesting in the old days, but things have changed in much faster for Peppermint 8 to catch up. If you want to get rid of the problems with Chromium, you have to reinstall Chromium in the vanilla state. When you do that, most probably the ICE integration would break. So, you have to decide, whether to use any other web browser to browse the web and use ICE with the default Chromium. After a while, you'd probably uninstall Peppermint.
15 • Synaptic (by Jesse on 2017-07-10 11:25:19 GMT from Canada)
@7: I think there was a misunderstanding with regard to my description of Synaptic. I Was not saying you cannot filter the list of packages. In this context I was pointing out Synaptic does not treat any packages as special or different. Most modern software managers will show just desktop applications by default and filter out non-desktop software. Synaptic does not do that. It treats all packages the same. That is what I meant by Synaptic not caring about a package's role.
You can filter packages in Synaptic, but each package is treated the same as the others.
16 • Web Application Launchers (by Winchester on 2017-07-10 12:23:07 GMT from United States)
Directly from this review :
"Ice's second tab lists existing web-app launchers on our system and gives us the option of removing them."
So,what would be the issue?? It seems pretty easy to sort out with a minimal time investment.
"On the other hand, if you wish to draw a distinct line between the programs you run locally and the on-line resources you access (the way most Linux distributions do) then Peppermint's main feature may not appeal."
Shouldn't one be able to simply edit the .desktop files in order to clarify the situation?? Change the title from (as an example) "Pixlr" to "Pixlr Web Application" or to "Pixlr Online Image Editor".
Alternatively,the aforementioned second tab in "Ice" should be able to be used to accomplish the same basic result. An example would be to examine the contents of a web app launcher,copy them into a text editor,remove the original launcher,and then create a new web app launcher with a more descriptive title. "Pixlr Online Image Editor" again as an example.
You could probably also edit the menu and .desktop files to create a new menu category entitled "Web Applications" and that would be another way of sorting them out.
A couple of side notes :
1) PALDO (Pure Adaptable Linux Distribution) has a similar feature through the latest version of the Epiphany Web Browser. In the Epiphany menu,there is an option to "install as web application" which creates .desktop files which,of course,can be edited. Change the title,category,point to an alternative icon,change the "exec" command in the desktop file to launch via FireFox instead of Epiphany. This is a strength of GNU / Linux operating systems ..... they can be customized and configured to meet individual preferences.
2) Local image editing applications such as the GNU Image Manipulation Program,Image Magick,and Pinta do not seem to support overlays. The online application "PicMonkey" makes it easy to overlay one image onto another with various modes of "blending" the images. "PicMonkey" can be used to create visually appealing icons and wallpapers although it now requires signing up for at least a free account.
17 • @ 15 Synaptic (by OstroL on 2017-07-10 14:26:03 GMT from Poland)
"Most modern software managers will show just desktop applications by default and filter out non-desktop software. Synaptic does not do that. It treats all packages the same. That is what I meant by Synaptic not caring about a package's role."
Which one is the 'most modern software manager' here, the Mint Install?
"You can filter packages in Synaptic, but each package is treated the same as the others."
I believe that's the best part of Synaptic, its treating all packages equally. With Synaptic, you'd know which dependencies might be installed, while these 'most modern software managers' want you to be a click and shoot guy. By using these software managers, your installation depends on the whims of the creators of those software managers. Synaptic had been there for so long earned the trust of its users.
18 • Peppermint (by Chris on 2017-07-10 14:33:40 GMT from United States)
I've been running Peppermint since version 1. In fact, I first found it on here about 7 years ago, when I was running Mint KDE. Peppermint is currently the only OS I run on my computers. (I occasionally test other Linux distros, but not much) It tends to "just work," there's not a lot of configuration required out of the box, in my opinion. Just a few personal tweaks, but that's true of any OS. I like its stability and the fact that it comes with a minimal amount of pre-installed programs, allowing me to add what I want without having to uninstall a lot of stuff I don't care for right off the bat. I've never been a fan of web apps or ICE, but it's cool for what it is. Anyway, it's nice seeing a good review of my favorite OS.
19 • Peppermint (by Hotdiggettydog on 2017-07-10 15:15:24 GMT from United States)
I'm with Chris. Peppermint is a class act. I've used all the mentioned alternatives. They have their strengths and their bugs.
20 • @18 (by dave on 2017-07-10 16:00:45 GMT from United States)
yo dawg, did you just say ICE is cool? ayyyy nobody can argue with that ;)
21 • Debian (by Steve on 2017-07-10 17:21:24 GMT from United States)
Since Debian jumped on the cancerous systemd bandwagon I quit using it. I've been using FreeBSD for servers and PCLinuxOS for a desktop.
fyi... I wouldn't have as big a problem with systemd if they had kept it as JUST an init system, but it quickly turned into a cancer spreading throughout the entire system. That is so microsoft and I turned to Linux to get away from that crap. Never have understood what is so wrong with initV... it works, it's easy to manipulate, it's easy to manage, and it uses plain text files for config, and it only does init... what's so wrong with that?
22 • @21 (by Martin on 2017-07-10 19:33:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
I completely agree! I used to use Debian in one form or another but have now gone over to Deuvan derived distros for precisely those reasons.
23 • SystemDisease (by Miss Terry on 2017-07-10 19:55:53 GMT from United States)
Fully agree with #21, et al.
SystemD is Redhat cancer. Devuan is the cure.
Long live the Unix philosophy of simplicity and modularity.
24 • Peppermint && (by kaczor on 2017-07-10 19:56:35 GMT from United States)
Most of you might not remember, Peppermint was started in 2010, when Mint didn't want to continue with the LXDE release. The developer of that LXDE section left to create Peppermint. Two months later Peppermint ICE came about. Nothing serious had been changed in that ICE software since then. Some might say 'Peppermint Ice has been rewritten from scratch' again for Peppermint 5, it was just bug fixed to match the fast developing web browsers. Anyway, ICE had been actually losing fans from about Peppermint 3 days. Around Peppermint 5, there is no one really to bring it to life in the team. There was an idea to put Peppermint in to 'had been' category, that is close down.
Messing up (or mixing up) Xfce's wm and Lxde's apps is going to trouble, specially in upgrading. If it stayed with Openbox wm and used whatever panel (xfce4, lxpanel, tint2), it would have been a great distro.
Because Peppermint wants to use the Whisker menu, it needs Xfce4 panel. The control panel looks different, but the buttons direct to known settings apps, most Xfce, one or two Lxde. Actually, the dev is complicating matters and creating unnecessary problems for users by mixing xfce and lxde apps. The appearance settings app of Xfce is much better than the Lxapperance app, considering Peppermint uses Xfwm4 as its window manager. There is no actual reason to use Lxde logout, instead of very good Xfce4 logout app (extension).
These problems were in Peppermint 7. This latest release 8 is just a bug fixed Peppermint 7, but some bugs are still there. Peppermint is based on Lubuntu (not based on as some try to say). All Peppermint OSs were based on Lubuntu.
Pepermint is not faster than Xubuntu or Lubuntu, especially Lubuntu, for it uses Openbox as its WM. The only difference it has over Lubuntu or Xubuntu is the ICE configuration. Not an advantage, but a difference.
Xfce4 Windows manager tweaks is renamed as Peppermint Control Center. Changing of backgrounds is done by Nitrogen (usually used in Openbox), instead of native Xfce app. Using Lxapperance, instead of Xfce4 Window Manager doesn't give any special effect. The same with using Lxde's logout instead of Xfce4's logout. Lubuntu doesn't have a menu like Whisker, so the use of Xfce4-panel. Lxpolkit, instead of gnome policykit. Mint update, instead of update-manager and etc.
The only difference is the ICE software. They were very good in those olden days. Most of the web browsers are so advanced these days, such software practically loses its value.
25 • Archbox (by gekxxx on 2017-07-10 20:33:07 GMT from Belgium)
Archbox looks great, so I decided to install. I find the installer incomplete as it seems not able to partition the HD from scratch. I was proposed to use the partition of my current installed system. So I think the installer needs some more work.
26 • Archbox & Debian 9 (by Bill on 2017-07-10 23:36:10 GMT from Canada)
Archbox is not sufficiently developed for install. Please do your homework before publishing your distro. Debian 9 is simply the most stable distro I have experienced in the last 10 years. My compliments to those who have worked so hard to make is such a success. Antergos is a truly remarkable arch distro for the average or new user and a welcome addition to the linux. There are may good linux distros available for a new user.
Bill
27 • Previous 3 Posts (by Winchester on 2017-07-11 05:06:47 GMT from United States)
Regarding Post # 24 , what does web browsers becoming more advanced have to do with "Ice" losing its value?? Perhaps because it integrates with an outdated version of Chromium?? The purpose seems to be to save time and to save a step launching a web based online application. Almost like having an icon in the browser's bookmark bar except you can save the step of launching the browser to its home page and then going to the site of the web application. This saves time for people who use web-based applications. Sure,you can manually create desktop files without "Ice" once you learn the exec commands and manually download and size the icons but,the aim,I assume,is to make it easier on beginners.
Regarding post # 25,the installer may need work regarding partitioning but,obviously you can partition the hard drive beforehand with any number of live iso's.
Regarding post # 26,why do you consider ArchBox "not sufficiently developed for install"?? I used the live iso without any problem but decided not to install only because I don't want to have more than 1 Arch based system. I am not saying that you are wrong or right but,I am interested to know the reason(s) for your opinion. Others have reported success installing ArchBox.
28 • pepeprmint os (by peer on 2017-07-11 05:14:19 GMT from Netherlands)
Peppermint used to be a great os in my opinion. I started with peppermint 2. Until peppermint 5 every version was an improvement. But then it became too complex for me.
I tried 6, and 7 but I did not like it anymore.
I used to like peppermint because it was simple, fast and worked on all ps's I tried. So I still have a weakness for peppermint.
29 • @ 26 (by lenn on 2017-07-11 05:35:02 GMT from Canada)
"Archbox is not sufficiently developed for install."
Well, that's quite funny. It installs vanilla Arch + some additional apps. The installer is the same that installed Arch Linux in the old days. Installers can differ, but the system you are installing is Arch Linux. And, that's all you need, if you are interesting in having an Arch Linux system in your computer.
"Debian 9 is simply the most stable distro I have experienced in the last 10 years."
Maybe, but what does Debian 9 has to do with Archbox, Aantergos or Arch Linux?
30 • @ 27 (by kaczor on 2017-07-11 05:56:57 GMT from United States)
> except you can save the step of launching the browser to its home page and then going to the site <
I suppose, its very rare to find someone without an open web browser at any time on any running desktop computer or a laptop. You don't open the web browsers home page and then go to other pages you usually look in every day. There are bookmarks, speed dials and so on for quite sometime. You can open your browser with all your sites/pages you like anytime. If you enable tab previews, you don't even have to move away from your current web page to check what's there in another tab.
ICE was a good thing, something fab few years ago. Is it today?
31 • Debian User - Boring Person (by Peter Besenbruch on 2017-07-11 06:32:53 GMT from United States)
I've run Debian since Woody, and full time since Sarge. Before that I distro-hopped and tried to get things to work. I was a KDE user, but jumped to XFCE during the KDE3 to 4 fiasco. The most exciting things on my desktop are wallpaper images that change every two days. My title bars are slightly translucent. When I maximize a window, the title bar goes away. Please stop me if I cause too much excitement.
Lately I have gone into the cloud, and set up a Debian based VPN server. Every once and a while I type "my ip" into DuckDuckGo and find that my VPN is still talking to my computer. That's getting boring.
I'll finish by saying that the only thing more boring than updating to the next Debian Stable is watching XFCE change with it. The change from XFCE 4.10 to 4.12 was so profound as to produce heart palpitations and fainting spells. I'm still trying to find what's changed.
32 • @ 24 and @ Jessie (by OstroL on 2017-07-11 08:00:52 GMT from Poland)
The first picture in Distrowatch review says, "At Peppermint we don't make choices for you."
Peppermint doesn't allow you to choose the themes you like. Someone might say, why not, you can change the themes from "Change Look and Feel." But can you really? You'd never change the top bar and the borders. They'd always be dark and have the Numix look. Change to Clearlooks for example and see for yourself.
This is done by deleting the Xfce Window Manager (Xfwm themes) and Xfce Apperance (Gtk themes) by Pepeprmint. Why doesn't the reviewer see such things?
33 • I Can Haz Linuks! (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2017-07-11 09:01:22 GMT from United States)
Some version of U'bu is now available in the Microsoft Windows 10 store,
A tidy reversal of running Windows sandboxed in a VM?
34 • I use Debian testing (by paperman on 2017-07-11 11:02:41 GMT from France)
I use debian testing. I mostly use what's in the testing repo but I also build some apps from source if they're not in the repo.
35 • debian (by dogma on 2017-07-11 13:51:46 GMT from United States)
I’ve switched mostly to freebsd at present, with a bit of oldoldstable debian. For reasons that start with an ’s’. When oldoldstable is no longer supported at all, it will be time to make a decision on how the devuan community is looking, probably.
36 • XFWM (by davidnotcoulthard on 2017-07-11 15:50:09 GMT from Indonesia)
@32 Can't you just install/re-add XFWM's customiser to the app menu (by editing a file in /usr(/local?)/share/applications)? (I don't use peppermint though so I wouldn't really know)
37 • Non-systemd distros (by davidnotcoulthard on 2017-07-11 15:54:45 GMT from Indonesia)
@23 Or there's Salix and Slackware, in case Devuan goes Kaputt (not that I expect that to happen - if MATE can avoid that, why not Devuan?)
38 • systemd (by THOR on 2017-07-11 16:16:06 GMT from United States)
I started running Debian in 2003 and I love it! I do not understand why people are upset with systemd
would some tell me what the problem is. I ran a lot of other systems and none even come close to being as good as Debian just look at how many people copy it change its name and call it their own. I think systemd made it better!
39 • Debian User (by admin on 2017-07-11 16:20:48 GMT from Mexico)
I always run and use the Debian testing repos, I like to be on the (leading edge,)
never had a serious problem. I love Debian because is fast, stable and everything justs works.
40 • Systemd (by Doug on 2017-07-11 17:10:00 GMT from United States)
@38 THOR
I think comment 21 explained it best.
Systemd does things an init has no business doing.
41 • @ 36 (by lenn on 2017-07-11 17:17:05 GMT from Canada)
Why don't you install Peppermint and reinstall XFWM's customiser to check what'd happen? It'd simply break. The same way, try to install original synaptic in Linux Mint. It'd break too.
You don't have to worry much about upgrading distros such as Voyager, as it is simply Xubuntu with 2 additional xfce4-panels and some interesting scripts.
I might say the same about Linux Lite. It also has quite interesting scripts, but you can upgrade it to 17.10 without a problem. Other than the nice welcome screen, a very good manual, its just Xubuntu with another wallpaper. These scripts bring in Index, Start, Support and Contribute, but they are harmless for the rest of the system. Its the same with LXLE, only that is based on Lubuntu.
42 • Peppermint (by Scuttlbeuck on 2017-07-12 03:26:00 GMT from Nicaragua)
I am not a Buntu / debian user debian hates me..and Buntu i tried many years back maybe the first or second version released...never liked it at all...I was a Mandriva or slackware user then but distro hopped on most distros that came out.
I Have installed a lot of peoples comps with Peppermint in the past (and WattOS) mainly for people new to linux and on older comps...I find Peppermint to be nice and easy for newbs, easy to install and very stable...
But these days with easy to install Gentoo with Calculate one of the best distros I have used for a long time, and awesome slackware based distros like Salix and Slackel. I find i can now install a lot of different distros for people without much thought or need to revisit to keep up to date.
@26 Archbox is not sufficiently developed for install......Wrong !!!! just installed it...i prefer this installer to many of the new ones, if given a choice i reject any graphical ones maybe i have just installed a lot over the years
43 • This site has been blocked by your ISP. (by OstroL on 2017-07-12 06:13:46 GMT from Poland)
"This site has been blocked by your ISP.
Well, not yet. But without net neutrality, cable companies could censor websites, favoring their own business partners. We can stop them and keep the Internet open, fast, and awesome if we all contact the U.S. Congress and the FCC, but we only have a few days left. Learn more."
Most governments dream of controlling everyone and to have an eye on everything the citizen is doing. USA is suppose to be the leader of the "free world". But is it?
44 • Peppermint, THE MiNiMALiST and the best ! (by Nemrut on 2017-07-12 08:21:10 GMT from Canada)
@19 - i want to secoond Chris, as i have the exact same positive experience running Peppermint ..., and hope Peppermint devs never dreail from Peppermint's main attraction: THE MINIMALISM
@24 - Thank you kaczor for your really interesting history briefing of Peppermint ...
And now here's a simple request from the Peppermints' devs: it would be truly helpful if Peppermint comes with a usb-persistence installer
45 • Post # 30 / Post # 41 (by Winchester on 2017-07-12 13:44:16 GMT from United States)
Re: Post # 30
> "I suppose, its very rare to find someone without an open web browser at any time on any running desktop computer or a laptop." <
What about the time immediately after starting the operating system??
>"You don't open the web browsers home page and then go to other pages you usually look in every day."<
I do. Maybe not the web browser's DEFAULT home page but,whichever page is set as the home page in the web browser's preferences settings. That is still true even if a "speed dial" page is set as the browser's home page.
>"There are bookmarks, speed dials and so on for quite sometime. You can open your browser with all your sites/pages you like anytime. If you enable tab previews, you don't even have to move away from your current web page to check what's there in another tab."<
This method still requires at least one extra step compared to a desktop file which launches the browser to a specific web page,a site that you do not wish to be set as the web browser's default home page.
>"ICE was a good thing, something fab few years ago. Is it today?"<
I think so. Fab ..... I don't know or really care for that matter. I would say that "Ice" is still a good thing. It saves time compared to manually writing customized desktop files completely from scratch for those who know how to do that. Also,it makes it easier for beginners to add such desktop files to their system. Beginners,many of whom might not have even otherwise known this type of desktop customization was even an option.
It's not a huge deal but,it is nice in certain situations. My grandmother has a Facebook icon on her desktop which,when clicked,launches the web browser to Facebook. My kids like online games. They have a National Geographic Animal Jam icon on their desktops which launch the web browser directly to the Animal Jam log-in page.
There's no real reason to bash "Ice". If you don't want to use it or need its functionality,then obviously,you don't have to use it. The pre-installed launchers can be very easily removed, It's nice having it available for people that it benefits.
Re: Post # 41
This may sound petty but, I am grateful that there are distributions out there which offer the same basic functionality as Xubuntu or Lubuntu but without the ridiculous titles. I find it easier to give someone a system called Voyager or Linux Lite with a straight face as opposed to giving them something called "Xubuntu". Just the same LXLE sounds MUCH better than "Lubuntu".
On the more practical side (even though I actually don't use operating systems from the Ubuntu family much,especially of late),I have found that "WattOS" boots up faster than "official" Ubuntu distributions and supposedly (I can't confirm or deny this particular aspect) uses less power.
46 • Peppermint OS 8 (by eco2geek on 2017-07-12 15:00:38 GMT from United States)
OstroL (@32) wrote:
> Peppermint doesn't allow you to choose the themes you like.
> Someone might say, why not, you can change the themes from
> "Change Look and Feel." But can you really? You'd never
> change the top bar and the borders. They'd always be dark
> and have the Numix look.
You can use "Customize Look and Feel" (lxappearance) to change the style of the widgets. To change the windows decorations (the "top bar and the borders", as you say), use the Peppermint Control Center > Window Manager tab > Theme drop-down box. It's mix and match.
Not sure why there's so much negativity toward Peppermint in the comments. It's been around for a while; it's an interesting mashup of LXDE and Xfce; it's got some interesting default software choices (e.g. Nemo and Chromium); and it's got an online user guide and online forum, all for the price of "free".
47 • @43 - Net Neutrality (by Chris on 2017-07-12 15:11:29 GMT from United States)
@43 - So you appear to equate a government mandate, even one with allegedly good intentions, to equal freedom? Hmm...interesting.
If I do not like an OS (or any product), I choose a different one. If I do not like my employer for whatever reason, I request changes be made, find a new one, or start my own business. If I do not like a business' practices (i.e., my ISP), I request changes be made or take my money elsewhere. If no options currently exist for such things, but enough demand does, then a better option will soon exist for me to choose or create myself.
In a truely free-market, one votes with their voice, feet, wallet, and hands; I do not need any government mandate for that. I think people confuse what freedom really is.
48 • web browsers (by Trihexagonal on 2017-07-12 15:51:53 GMT from United States)
@30 - "I suppose, its very rare to find someone without an open web browser at any time on any running desktop computer or a laptop.You don't open the web browsers home page and then go to other pages you usually look in every day. "
I only open a web browser when I actually want to visit a site, and then have it open to about:blank. After I'm finished I close it out.
In contrast, I have one terminal and file manager open at boot to work from, and usually open another terminal right away to run top or for multitasking as long as the machine is up.
49 • systemd (by homo truculentus on 2017-07-12 16:53:09 GMT from United States)
With very few exceptions, virtually all major Linux distributions use systemd. That is because the vast majority of Linux developers actually think systemd is better than sysvinit. That's why they decided to use systemd in their respective Linux distros. I see here a bunch of people that are clearly clueless compared to those developers. Yet, the clueless have very strong opinions and are very vocal (which was expected). That's OK, because the vast majority of Linux users use systemd regardless. Until someone writes a better replacement for systemd, systemd remains the best init system (at least according to the most knowledgeable Linux users, the developers).
50 • @47 (by Jay on 2017-07-12 17:29:34 GMT from United States)
That's the theory, but in practice it doesn't work that way. Many people don't have the interest/time/skills to do their own versions of stuff when nothing exists. I'm not going to try to start my own internet just because I don't like how something is done. I have to work within the system, like it or not, but many "choices" or "possibilities" just really aren't practical anymore.
51 • @49 (by Anonymous Coward on 2017-07-12 18:03:53 GMT from United States)
systemd best init system
This depends on which developers you refer to. For the gnome developers, yes for KDE developers maybe? But for simple desjtop developers, it would be a different answer.
52 • Arch_way_to_learn_and_tailor (by k on 2017-07-12 19:41:24 GMT from France)
@ 26
For example, if you need a state-of-the-art rolling-release linux operating system on a USB "thumbdrive" to boot on UEFI hardware.
The Arch community offers full documentation for UEFI-tailored installation and then, if you want a fully "developed" desktop to accomodate most users's needs, install Manjaro with Gnome, pacman install "linux", pacman install Gnome, and free yourself.
53 • Oh boy! (by OstroL on 2017-07-12 20:32:31 GMT from Poland)
@ 40
"This may sound petty but, I am grateful that there are distributions out there which offer the same basic functionality as Xubuntu or Lubuntu but without the ridiculous titles. I find it easier to give someone a system called Voyager or Linux Lite with a straight face as opposed to giving them something called "Xubuntu". Just the same LXLE sounds MUCH better than "Lubuntu"."
They say, don't spit in the well, you just drank from, do they?
@46
"You can use "Customize Look and Feel" (lxappearance) to change the style of the widgets. To change the windows decorations (the "top bar and the borders", as you say), use the Peppermint Control Center > Window Manager tab > Theme drop-down box. It's mix and match."
No you can't. You don't know what I am talking about. You can change to any theme as far as you use Peppermint's recreated Arc theme-borders and top Menu bar. Ford said "“A customer can have a car painted any color he wants as long as it’s black.”
@48
"I only open a web browser when I actually want to visit a site, and then have it open to about:blank. After I'm finished I close it out."
Sure, you are one of the rare kind, no doubt!
54 • @ 45 - Interesting statement (by kaczor on 2017-07-12 22:06:52 GMT from United States)
> On the more practical side (even though I actually don't use operating systems from the Ubuntu family much,especially of late),I have found that "WattOS" boots up faster than "official" Ubuntu distributions and supposedly (I can't confirm or deny this particular aspect) uses less power. <
You say, "I actually don't use, but ... I'd comment on 'Buntu systems". Funny!
WattOs is based Lubuntu, so check your
systemd-analyze blame
on both WattOS aand Lubuntu, and tell us which one is booting faster, and which service hinders/helps one distro from booting slower than the other. You'd be surprised that the boot time depends on the quality of your computer, rather than the distro you use.
55 • systemd haters (by obsessyhater on 2017-07-13 03:55:15 GMT from Australia)
The systemd hate has nothing to do with reasonable argument. Because they don't use their real names, locations, jobs, or equipment. If they were serious they would put forward a more technical argument. Like this:
John Smith
Smith St
Smith Suburb
Smith City
"I Work for SmithTel,and operate a FooSmith laptop, i9, 16gb Ram, with HD graphics.While running Linux distro/s.with systemd I have found the following issues that ppl should be aware of: issue a, issue b, issue c, etc."
But instead of technical argument all they do is bellyache: Oh systemd is corporate malware, Oh, systemd is spying on me, Oh systemd is calling home, Oh woe is me with systemd.
56 • systemd "haters" could possibly be people who just don't like it (by GaryW on 2017-07-13 07:13:41 GMT from Australia)
Classic straw man "argument". I think systemd is a solution in search of a problem, and vastly over-complicated for what it needs to do. Perhaps, when some QA people get involved, it might be pruned into something useful, and an advance on what went before.
57 • Extix Budgie (by kaczor on 2017-07-13 08:08:34 GMT from United States)
Checked the new Extix 17.7 Budgie. It has an interesting set of applications and a newer kernel. Nice to see PCmanFM, rather than Nautilus. Installed Thunar with just a little dependencies. It shows in System Tools, rather than in Accessories or Utilities. PCmanFM is also in System Tools. Bit strange. Budgie DE takes only 50.3MB, where the Budgie WM takes only 24.1MB. Very light indeed.
Ikey had said that Budgie 11 is in the github and the autohide for panel is implemented in it. Maybe, a new PPA would come with Budgie 11.
58 • @ Net neutrality (by OstroL on 2017-07-13 09:14:38 GMT from Poland)
This came today from Team Vivaldi;
" Today internet users and online communities unite to sound the alarm about the US Federal Communications Commission's attack on net neutrality (the rules that prevent internet service providers like Comcast and Verizon from slowing down, censoring, blocking, and charging extra fees online).
Head to the Vivaldi Blog to read why we're taking part in today's day of action.
If you live in the US, leave a comment with the FCC by visiting battleforthenet.com. Every comment makes a difference.
Don’t miss your opportunity to be heard."
It must be hard to live in the US with so much government snooping.
59 • Manjaro (by dawo on 2017-07-13 10:20:56 GMT from Germany)
Beside that Manajro is (very) late with security updates, i noticed a few things that i find strange: When installing and choose to use an own partition layout, at least based on bios mode, you HAVE to use ext4 as filesystem for root (/) or installation won't finish. When you pick another filesystem for /home it won't be mounted after the restart, because they write the filesystem into fstab in uppercase letters and when booting it's looked for lowercase (i.e. writing XFS and checking for xfs). /home not being mounted means that the first account from setup don't get his directory created.
60 • Boot Speed / Post # 54 (by Winchester on 2017-07-13 15:48:16 GMT from United States)
>> On the more practical side (even though I actually don't use operating systems from the Ubuntu family much,especially of late),I have found that "WattOS" boots up faster than "official" Ubuntu distributions and supposedly (I can't confirm or deny this particular aspect) uses less power. <<
>You say, "I actually don't use, but ... I'd comment on 'Buntu systems". Funny!
>WattOs is based Lubuntu, so check your
>systemd-analyze blame
>on both WattOS aand Lubuntu, and tell us which one is booting faster, and which service hinders/helps one distro from booting slower than the other. You'd be surprised that the boot time depends on the quality of your computer, rather than the distro you use.
In reality,I said "I actually don't use operating systems from the Ubuntu family MUCH,especially of late" which is quite different from "I actually don't use".
I know what WattOS is based on. In experimenting with approximately 35 different distributions ON THE SAME HARDWARE,I have found WattOS and Solus to be the fastest 2 of them to boot. The difference in boot speed is very striking and easy to notice. Again,this is on the same hardware. Furthermore,this is with the default configurations loaded via the "official" check sum verified iso files. Faster than any Lubuntu, Bubuntu, Fubuntu or whatever else among those distributions which I have tried. Just an honest observation.
If I had more free time,I would look into analyzing the situation but,I don't have that kind of free time. So,I go by the default settings boot speed.
I have a 4 TB hard drive partitioned with multiple distributions. Solus is one of them. I no longer have WattOS installed because I lean towards rolling distributions. So,if you insist I can time the Solus boot speed.
61 • @30 (by Walt on 2017-07-13 16:36:00 GMT from United States)
I do have a web browser set to open to the last set of tabs/websites I visited. However, there are sites I don't visit everyday or want to use without cluttering my screen with a bunch of other tabs (e.g., Netflix, Facebook, gMail, Pixlr, etc.). For these, I find ICE to be a great tool. In fact, I liked it so much, that when I switched from Peppermint to Antergos and found ICE was available there, I installed it right away.
62 • @58 Poland (by linuxista on 2017-07-13 19:54:24 GMT from United States)
>It must be hard to live in the US with so much government snooping.
Do you think that the US isn't snooping on you too and sharing it with your NATO member gov't?
63 • @50 & @58: Freedom and Net Neutrality (by Chris on 2017-07-13 19:54:27 GMT from United States)
@50 - I respectfully disagree. Fully working within the system, the theory can become practice if you truely want it to do so; it nearly always has for me. I do not know you, but I have confidence in your pre-existing abilities to have informed opinions, make recommendations or complaints, boycott as you see necessary, and/or create or use alternatives.
Many people don't have to have the interest, time, skills, or resources to do their own versions of stuff when nothing exists - it only takes market demand, a few capable people willing to fulfill such demand, and some patience for them to do so.
For example: GNU/Linux was not created by one person overnight, but here it is none the less. How much did you need to contribute to use GNU/Linux today in lieu of some proprietary OS? I know I have not had to contribute anything.
On the subject of net neutrality, while you could, you do not need to start your own ISP if you do not like the way your non-regulated ISP functions - if the demand exists, someone else ultimately will. I have ridden this ride before.
For example: Circa 1994-1996, at the advent of the commercial internet, I lived in a small government/university city where all ISP activities were controlled by the governments (for employees only) or universities (for employees and students only). While such provided ISP access to roughly 80% of the local population, it did not cover everyone and the restrictions for eligible users were onerous! Enough people complained, but the governments and universities would not budge! To the rescue, a couple of local geeks saw the demand and created a local, completely free (as in beer and speach) ISP before any of the big telcoms entered the market. To my knowledge, they still operate it today.
@58 - While some of the activities of U.S. TLAs (Three Letter Agencies) and their international equivalents are terrible violations of individual freedoms, conflating such with net neutrality is pure FUD! The two subjects have nothing to do with each other. The various TLAs of the world violated individual freedoms before the advent of net neutrality and will do so with it or without it!
64 • @60 (by kaczor on 2017-07-13 20:58:42 GMT from United States)
>Faster than any Lubuntu, Bubuntu, Fubuntu or whatever else among those distributions which I have tried. Just an honest observation.
If I had more free time,I would look into analyzing the situation but,I don't have that kind of free time. So,I go by the default settings boot speed.<
When you say, "Lubuntu, Bubuntu, Fubuntu or whatever else", the saying "don't spit in the well you just drank from" becomes quite true.
The time you took to write the comment, you could've wrote in your terminal, systemd-analyze blame and you'd had the answer.
Your eye trying catch up, or your finger trying stop the stop watch won't help.
(Who's talking about Solus? You didn't mention Solus in your #45, did you?)
65 • @ 62 (by OstroL on 2017-07-13 21:12:32 GMT from Poland)
"Do you think that the US isn't snooping on you too and sharing it with your NATO member gov't?"
I don't care two hoots, even if that happens.
I got that email from Vivaldi Team. I got lot of such emails from many US sites.
It said, "If you live in the US, leave a comment with the FCC by visiting battleforthenet.com."
Didn't get a single one from European sites.
66 • No more Debian but more Devuan (by Chris on 2017-07-13 21:51:03 GMT from France)
I've been using and learning Debian for years and it was fine.
But I began struggling with how to escape from systemd, which was not fine. Stretch was the last nail on the coffin.
I don't want to talk on technical merits but I still wonder how another init system (be it better or not) is becoming a second kernel. I would rather more trust Linus than Lennart on that part, so I gave up.
Devuan is like another path from Debian without the choice of turning systemd as a compulsory dependency for a lot of apps (and increasing).
Eventually, the situation reminds me of when I dumped Microsoft's products years ago, it was unthinkable then for a lot of people to escape from Windows. But I deed and am proud of it.
As a Linux user, I like to manage my systems but not to be managed by them. So now is another fight, I'm trying to dodge Red Hat's growing hegemony on the Linux ecosystem.
Note: I also used and appreciated great RHEL derivatives (PUIAS/Scientific) but obviously quit on RHEL7.
67 • @65 - Please Stop (by Chris on 2017-07-13 21:55:30 GMT from United States)
@65 - Please stop spreading the FUD (see @63, part two). No matter one's position on net neutrality, equating it with government spying is a dishonest waste of time.
Regarding your comments, "I got lot of such emails from many US sites." and "Didn't get a single one from European sites." To be blunt, No $#!@! Since the senders are trying to impact a U.S. FCC decision, that ONLY applies to U.S. ISPs and residents, you would not get any from a European organization in a European country. Please think.
68 • 55 systemd reasons against it. (by Anonymous Coward on 2017-07-13 23:51:03 GMT from United States)
We cannot support systemd because
1. No binary logs
2. Not just an init, runs services in parallel to increase boot speed, neglecting if serviceA depends on serviceB
3. No more simple use of chkconfig to list, add or remove services at startup.
69 • @67 (by OstroL on 2017-07-14 07:29:24 GMT from Poland)
Only answering linuxista (from US) on his comment on "Do you think that the US isn't snooping on you too and sharing it with your NATO member gov't?"
I should be bit worried thinking the US government snooping on us here, but I am not worried at all.
That "fud", btw had been spread by US sites. Here in Europe, a website can't (sort of) place a cookie without our acceptance. They do place the cookies, but we are warned. Do they warn you in the US too? (This website uses cookies to customize your experience. Third-party cookies may also be used by our advertisers. Learn more)
On the question of "snooping" by authorities (or any other agents), we know that our credit/debit cards, our mobiles, gsp in vehicles, etc can always pinpoint where we re and that the credit/debit card can tell the type of things we buy, our spending style, spending frequency etc. If we worry about this, then we have to stop using these conveniences. No, we won't stop using them.
70 • @ 53 and 59 (by Corentin on 2017-07-14 15:17:21 GMT from France)
@ 53
"Sure, you are one of the rare kind, no doubt!"
No, (s)he is not! :)
@ 59
Strange... I have Manjaro on a laptop and I never had this.
I installed Manjaro with:
- /boot ext2
- / jfs
- /home jfs
with absolutely no problem. And I always have no problems with this system..
"Manajro is (very) late with security updates"
Lol!
71 • @66 (by Jay on 2017-07-14 16:28:27 GMT from United States)
I agree with your reasons/preferences regarding systemd. I feel the same way. I've found OpenRC to be very nice, and on my Arch system, it actually booted faster than the systemd version (side-by-side VMs to compare).
I with there were a Debian OpenRC equivalent. I like that Devuan did what it did, but I would have chosen some other init rather than sysvinit, which distributions were trying to replace in the first place. OpenRC solves the same problems that systemd does (parallel starts, respawning services, etc.) while just being an init. In fact, other than RH seems to hate Gentoo, I don't know why they and anyone else isn't picking it up.
72 • @69 (by Chris on 2017-07-14 17:02:44 GMT from United States)
@69 > "That "fud", btw had been spread by US sites."
Understood, but that does not mean it needs to be propogated further, which you did. Again, we can all debate the need or not for a governmental mandate regarding "net neutrality," but conflating it (directly or through propagation) with nation-state spying is none the less FUD.
@69 > "Here in Europe, a website can't (sort of) place a cookie without our acceptance. They do place the cookies, but we are warned. Do they warn you in the US too? (This website uses cookies to customize your experience. Third-party cookies may also be used by our advertisers. Learn more)"
Yes, we too here in the U.S. frequently have our browsers spamed by your European mandated cookie warning. But everyone I have spoken to in the U.S. presume approximately 95% of websites leave one or more cookies (not statistically sound), making such cookie warnings more of an annoyance than the cookies themselves.
I speculate that we often see your cookie warnings because it is a European mandate, the internet is without borders, and many U.S. websites do not want to bother programming to distinguish between visitor's origins.
To deal with cookies and the logical presumtion of their existance, we in the U.S. either adjust our browser settings, use a cookie management browser add-on, or just accept their presence. The European cookie warnings are just more unnecessary garbage with which to deal.
73 • @ 72 (by OstroL on 2017-07-14 19:03:00 GMT from Poland)
"To deal with cookies and the logical presumtion of their existance, we in the U.S. either adjust our browser settings, use a cookie management browser add-on, or just accept their presence. The European cookie warnings are just more unnecessary garbage with which to deal."
Made you angry? Nice to be a patriot.
Garbage, you say? Have you seen anyone from Asia or Europe crying about TLAs (Three Letter Agencies) here? Anyway, check how many adclick type cookies you have in your computer. You might be having 100 fold such cookies than the amount of websites you've looked in.
Annoyance, you say? I don't care enough to click accept for that to go away. Eyes read only straight most of the time(except when you write, you look at the keyboard).
"many U.S. websites do not want to bother programming to distinguish between visitor's origins." Naive!
Do you want me to laugh or cry?!
74 • Manjaro (by dawo on 2017-07-14 21:34:47 GMT from Germany)
@70 - Have you tried it with the actual iso (17.0.2) or are you talking about an old flawless installation? My old one (15.x) had no problems with that cases too, but the new one. No matter what i tried as mentioned: no problems when i picked ext4, but ...
75 • clarification (by Trihexagonal on 2017-07-15 00:08:12 GMT from United States)
@70 "No, (s)he is not! :)"
He, thank you.
@73 "Anyway, check how many adclick type cookies you have in your computer. You might be having 100 fold such cookies than the amount of websites you've looked in."
1 cookie, from distrowatch, and when I close my browser it will be deleted automatically.
I can teach you how to set up your browser if you'd like. Free of charge, despite the less than amicable attitude you display here.
If you'd like to learn how to build a FreeBSD desktop from scratch I provide info that at no charge, too.
@73 "Eyes read only straight most of the time(except when you write, you look at the keyboard)."
You'll have to learn touch-typing on your own. May I suggest Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing? It's free, as well.
76 • Cookies (by Jesse on 2017-07-15 00:35:53 GMT from Canada)
>> "1 cookie, from distrowatch, and when I close my browser it will be deleted automatically. "
Just to clarify something, often times people assume that cookies are used for tracking purposes because that is what ad companies tend to do. But cookies also serve a useful function. For example, you cannot login to a website without cookies to save your session info.
At DistroWatch we do not use cookies to track your movements or browsing habits. We only use them in a few corner cases. For example, if you select a language other than the default on DW, we use a cookie to remember your language selection. Likewise, if you explicitly select to use either the Desktop or Mobile version of DW, a cookie remembers that preference. Otherwise you'd have to re-select your language and mobile/desktop preference time. Otherwise we go out of our way to avoid using cookies as much as possible so we don't litter your browser with them.
77 • cookies (by Trihexagonal on 2017-07-15 00:43:30 GMT from United States)
@76 "Just to clarify something, often times people assume that cookies are used for tracking purposes because that is what ad companies tend to do."
I'm sorry if my statement in response to adclick type cookies made it sound like you used tracking cookies, as I know you do not and did not intent to infer so.
78 • Debian testing Xfce without systemd (by debianxfce on 2017-07-15 02:22:13 GMT from Finland)
Run as root the following commands:
apt-get install sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils
cp /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab /etc/inittab
Edit the kernel command line to have: init=/lib/sysvinit/init console=hvc0 console=ttyS0
To boot to the desktop automatically, do:
Code:
sed -i "s/HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=true\?/HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER=false/" /etc/init.d/lightdm
update-rc.d lightdm remove
update-rc.d lightdm defaults
update-rc.d lightdm enable
reboot
To launch Synaptic from menu, run:
nano /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic.policy
Change allow_any, allow_inactive and allow_active fields to yes.
79 • @80 (by OstroL on 2017-07-15 12:53:32 GMT from Poland)
"The fault lies in you not setting your browser up correctly, no matter which country you live in. You have heard of the "World Wide Web, haven't you?"
You don't open web pages from EU, but in the US. In the US (and Canada, I believe) the web sites can place cookies without your consent, but here in the EU, the web sites are not allowed to do so, without the consent of the user.
The question is whether I know how to use web browsers or not, but whether the websites are allowed to place cookies, even session cookies, without the "informed consent." (I know how to use the web and the browsers.) Not clicking the Accept button means the user hadn't given the consent. It means there shouldn't be a cookie stored. If a session cookie is essential for the website to show up, it should go after the website is closed.
(WWW was created by an Englishman Tim Berners-Lee in 1989, and the 1st program was made at CERN in Switzerland.)
My test was done on this site, and for the post #76. I am writing here, so I can only write about this site. Jessie runs the Distrowatch website, so he'd know how to reply to that. Like I said, my trust for Distrowatch doesn't change, and its just a question.
80 • Cookies (by Jesse on 2017-07-15 13:10:52 GMT from Canada)
@79: If you read up a bit more on EU cookie law I think you'll find there is a bit more to it than what you are describing. For example, cookies required to provide the user with services requested (changing language, shopping carts, etc) are exempt. Also, continuing to use the website after being told the site uses cookies also is classified as informed consent by the law, whether you click an "Accept" button or not.
How cookies are handled after you leave the site are up to your browser, not the website. Cookies from third-parties are subject to the interaction of your browser with their servers.
I'm not saying these rules are good or bad, it's just the way the regulations are set up. We've tried very hard to make sure we follow the regulations without overly annoying our readers.
81 • @ 80 Cookies (by OstroL on 2017-07-15 13:38:03 GMT from Poland)
A cookie from a website you know and like to use is not a problem, but the problem lies in the 3rd party cookies that you don't care or want. The owner of the website cannot check what the 3rd parties are doing and also cannot guarantee the safety of those cookies to the user. That's the problem.
"Third-party cookies may also be used by our advertisers." Even if the user by using the given website gives consent by just using it, the user hadn't given the consent to the placement of the 3rd parties.
I can understand that you trust your advertisers, but do you trust their advertisers and so on. All of them can place cookies this way. Once one advertiser is given the permission, his advertisers are getting the permission in the roundabout way. That's a dangerous situation.
82 • Cookies (by Jesse on 2017-07-15 13:50:42 GMT from Canada)
@81: "A cookie from a website you know and like to use is not a problem, but the problem lies in the 3rd party cookies that you don't care or want."
This is why all modern web browsers allow you to select whether to accept third-party cookies or not. If you enable third-party cookies in your browser settings you are opting in to accept them. If you do not enable this feature you don't get cookies from third-parties. Some browsers, like Qupzilla, even let you whitelist cookies, everything else is blocked.
This is getting pretty off-topic, so let's get back to talking about technology discussed on this site, like Peppermint and osquery.
83 • thanks (by tim on 2017-07-15 16:48:11 GMT from United States)
@78 great info! I thank you
84 • Screenshot of Peppermint using the Clearlooks theme (by eco2geek on 2017-07-15 23:55:03 GMT from United States)
@53:
> No you can't. You don't know what I am talking about. You can change to any theme as far
> as you use Peppermint's recreated Arc theme-borders and top Menu bar. Ford said "“A
> customer can have a car painted any color he wants as long as it’s black.”
I sure don't know what you're talking about. For example, here's a screenshot of Peppermint using Clearlooks:
https://extraimage.net/image/N55M
Have a nice day.
85 • @ 84 Clearlooks theme on Peppermint (by lenn on 2017-07-16 07:34:03 GMT from Canada)
That is not Clearlooks, but a modified theme, Clearlooks-phenix
86 • @84 (by lenn on 2017-07-16 13:39:59 GMT from Canada)
Have you found out why you can't have the Clearlooks theme the way it should be in Peppermint? It was like that from 2010 Peppermint One.
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| • Ussye 1118 (2025-04-21): Fedora 42, strange characters in Vim, Nitrux introduces new package tools, Fedora extends reproducibility efforts, PINE64 updates multiple devices running Debian |
| • Issue 1117 (2025-04-14): Shebang 25.0, EndeavourOS 2025.03.19, running applications from other distros on the desktop, Debian gets APT upgrade, Mint introduces OEM options for LMDE, postmarketOS packages GNOME 48 and COSMIC, Redox testing USB support |
| • Issue 1116 (2025-04-07): The Sense HAT, Android and mobile operating systems, FreeBSD improves on laptops, openSUSE publishes many new updates, Fedora appoints new Project Leader, UBports testing VoLTE |
| • Issue 1115 (2025-03-31): GrapheneOS 2025, the rise of portable package formats, MidnightBSD and openSUSE experiment with new package management features, Plank dock reborn, key infrastructure projects lose funding, postmarketOS to focus on reliability |
| • Issue 1114 (2025-03-24): Bazzite 41, checking which processes are writing to disk, Rocky unveils new Hardened branch, GNOME 48 released, generating images for the Raspberry Pi |
| • Issue 1113 (2025-03-17): MocaccinoOS 1.8.1, how to contribute to open source, Murena extends on-line installer, Garuda tests COSMIC edition, Ubuntu to replace coreutils with Rust alternatives, Chimera Linux drops RISC-V builds |
| • Issue 1112 (2025-03-10): Solus 4.7, distros which work with Secure Boot, UBports publishes bug fix, postmarketOS considers a new name, Debian running on Android |
| • Issue 1111 (2025-03-03): Orbitiny 0.01, the effect of Ubuntu Core Desktop, Gentoo offers disk images, elementary OS invites feature ideas, FreeBSD starts PinePhone Pro port, Mint warns of upcoming Firefox issue |
| • Issue 1110 (2025-02-24): iodeOS 6.0, learning to program, Arch retiring old repositories, openSUSE makes progress on reproducible builds, Fedora is getting more serious about open hardware, Tails changes its install instructions to offer better privacy, Murena's de-Googled tablet goes on sale |
| • Issue 1109 (2025-02-17): Rhino Linux 2025.1, MX Linux 23.5 with Xfce 4.20, replacing X.Org tools with Wayland tools, GhostBSD moving its base to FreeBSD -RELEASE, Redox stabilizes its ABI, UBports testing 24.04, Asahi changing its leadership, OBS in dispute with Fedora |
| • Issue 1108 (2025-02-10): Serpent OS 0.24.6, Aurora, sharing swap between distros, Peppermint tries Void base, GTK removinglegacy technologies, Red Hat plans more AI tools for Fedora, TrueNAS merges its editions |
| • Issue 1107 (2025-02-03): siduction 2024.1.0, timing tasks, Lomiri ported to postmarketOS, Alpine joins Open Collective, a new desktop for Linux called Orbitiny |
| • Issue 1106 (2025-01-27): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta 6, Pop!_OS 24.04 Alpha 5, detecting whether a process is inside a virtual machine, drawing graphics to NetBSD terminal, Nix ported to FreeBSD, GhostBSD hosting desktop conference |
| • Issue 1105 (2025-01-20): CentOS 10 Stream, old Flatpak bundles in software centres, Haiku ports Iceweasel, Oracle shows off debugging tools, rsync vulnerability patched |
| • Issue 1104 (2025-01-13): DAT Linux 2.0, Silly things to do with a minimal computer, Budgie prepares Wayland only releases, SteamOS coming to third-party devices, Murena upgrades its base |
| • Issue 1103 (2025-01-06): elementary OS 8.0, filtering ads with Pi-hole, Debian testing its installer, Pop!_OS faces delays, Ubuntu Studio upgrades not working, Absolute discontinued |
| • Issue 1102 (2024-12-23): Best distros of 2024, changing a process name, Fedora to expand Btrfs support and releases Asahi Remix 41, openSUSE patches out security sandbox and donations from Bottles while ending support for Leap 15.5 |
| • Issue 1101 (2024-12-16): GhostBSD 24.10.1, sending attachments from the command line, openSUSE shows off GPU assignment tool, UBports publishes security update, Murena launches its first tablet, Xfce 4.20 released |
| • Issue 1100 (2024-12-09): Oreon 9.3, differences in speed, IPFire's new appliance, Fedora Asahi Remix gets new video drivers, openSUSE Leap Micro updated, Redox OS running Redox OS |
| • Issue 1099 (2024-12-02): AnduinOS 1.0.1, measuring RAM usage, SUSE continues rebranding efforts, UBports prepares for next major version, Murena offering non-NFC phone |
| • Issue 1098 (2024-11-25): Linux Lite 7.2, backing up specific folders, Murena and Fairphone partner in fair trade deal, Arch installer gets new text interface, Ubuntu security tool patched |
| • Issue 1097 (2024-11-18): Chimera Linux vs Chimera OS, choosing between AlmaLinux and Debian, Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition, Fedora previews new installer, KDE testing its own distro, Qubes-style isolation coming to FreeBSD |
| • Issue 1096 (2024-11-11): Bazzite 40, Playtron OS Alpha 1, Tucana Linux 3.1, detecting Screen sessions, Redox imports COSMIC software centre, FreeBSD booting on the PinePhone Pro, LXQt supports Wayland window managers |
| • Issue 1095 (2024-11-04): Fedora 41 Kinoite, transferring applications between computers, openSUSE Tumbleweed receives multiple upgrades, Ubuntu testing compiler optimizations, Mint partners with Framework |
| • Issue 1094 (2024-10-28): DebLight OS 1, backing up crontab, AlmaLinux introduces Litten branch, openSUSE unveils refreshed look, Ubuntu turns 20
| | • Issue 1093 (2024-10-21): Kubuntu 24.10, atomic vs immutable distributions, Debian upgrading Perl packages, UBports adding VoLTE support, Android to gain native GNU/Linux application support |
| • Issue 1092 (2024-10-14): FunOS 24.04.1, a home directory inside a file, work starts of openSUSE Leap 16.0, improvements in Haiku, KDE neon upgrades its base |
| • Issue 1091 (2024-10-07): Redox OS 0.9.0, Unified package management vs universal package formats, Redox begins RISC-V port, Mint polishes interface, Qubes certifies new laptop |
| • Issue 1090 (2024-09-30): Rhino Linux 2024.2, commercial distros with alternative desktops, Valve seeks to improve Wayland performance, HardenedBSD parterns with Protectli, Tails merges with Tor Project, Quantum Leap partners with the FreeBSD Foundation |
| • Issue 1089 (2024-09-23): Expirion 6.0, openKylin 2.0, managing configuration files, the future of Linux development, fixing bugs in Haiku, Slackware packages dracut |
| • Issue 1088 (2024-09-16): PorteuX 1.6, migrating from Windows 10 to which Linux distro, making NetBSD immutable, AlmaLinux offers hardware certification, Mint updates old APT tools |
| • Issue 1087 (2024-09-09): COSMIC desktop, running cron jobs at variable times, UBports highlights new apps, HardenedBSD offers work around for FreeBSD change, Debian considers how to cull old packages, systemd ported to musl |
| • Issue 1086 (2024-09-02): Vanilla OS 2, command line tips for simple tasks, FreeBSD receives investment from STF, openSUSE Tumbleweed update can break network connections, Debian refreshes media |
| • Issue 1085 (2024-08-26): Nobara 40, OpenMandriva 24.07 "ROME", distros which include source code, FreeBSD publishes quarterly report, Microsoft updates breaks Linux in dual-boot environments |
| • Issue 1084 (2024-08-19): Liya 2.0, dual boot with encryption, Haiku introduces performance improvements, Gentoo dropping IA-64, Redcore merges major upgrade |
| • Issue 1083 (2024-08-12): TrueNAS 24.04.2 "SCALE", Linux distros for smartphones, Redox OS introduces web server, PipeWire exposes battery drain on Linux, Canonical updates kernel version policy |
| • Issue 1082 (2024-08-05): Linux Mint 22, taking snapshots of UFS on FreeBSD, openSUSE updates Tumbleweed and Aeon, Debian creates Tiny QA Tasks, Manjaro testing immutable images |
| • Issue 1081 (2024-07-29): SysLinuxOS 12.4, OpenBSD gain hardware acceleration, Slackware changes kernel naming, Mint publishes upgrade instructions |
| • Issue 1080 (2024-07-22): Running GNU/Linux on Android with Andronix, protecting network services, Solus dropping AppArmor and Snap, openSUSE Aeon Desktop gaining full disk encryption, SUSE asks openSUSE to change its branding |
| • Issue 1079 (2024-07-15): Ubuntu Core 24, hiding files on Linux, Fedora dropping X11 packages on Workstation, Red Hat phasing out GRUB, new OpenSSH vulnerability, FreeBSD speeds up release cycle, UBports testing new first-run wizard |
| • Issue 1078 (2024-07-08): Changing init software, server machines running desktop environments, OpenSSH vulnerability patched, Peppermint launches new edition, HardenedBSD updates ports |
| • Issue 1077 (2024-07-01): The Unity and Lomiri interfaces, different distros for different tasks, Ubuntu plans to run Wayland on NVIDIA cards, openSUSE updates Leap Micro, Debian releases refreshed media, UBports gaining contact synchronisation, FreeDOS celebrates its 30th anniversary |
| • Issue 1076 (2024-06-24): openSUSE 15.6, what makes Linux unique, SUSE Liberty Linux to support CentOS Linux 7, SLE receives 19 years of support, openSUSE testing Leap Micro edition |
| • Issue 1075 (2024-06-17): Redox OS, X11 and Wayland on the BSDs, AlmaLinux releases Pi build, Canonical announces RISC-V laptop with Ubuntu, key changes in systemd |
| • Issue 1074 (2024-06-10): Endless OS 6.0.0, distros with init diversity, Mint to filter unverified Flatpaks, Debian adds systemd-boot options, Redox adopts COSMIC desktop, OpenSSH gains new security features |
| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
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Feather Linux was a Linux distribution which runs completely off a CD or a USB pendrive and takes up under 128MB of space. It was a Knoppix remaster (based on Debian), and tries to include software which most people would use every day on their desktop.
Status: Discontinued
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