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1 • Sources for softwares.. (by Bill on 2017-04-17 00:20:15 GMT from United States)
I use all of the above. I have most of my software from the linux Mint Mate repositories, but I also sometimes use PPA's as in Grub Customizer and Compiz reloaded. Furthermore, I have paid for software when I like it such as Terabyte Image for linux backup software or Jutoh 2 for making books for Kindle and Nook or Nero CD Burning for Linux. So its a combination for me. When I need a solution I will track it down and download or modify my souces list or out and out buy the software. Whatever gets the job done.
2 • Ubuntu Gnome becomes Ubuntu (by david esktorp on 2017-04-17 01:46:25 GMT from United States)
Wow, a practical decision? I didn't think it was possible.
3 • Flatpak, snapd and AppImage (by mikef90000 on 2017-04-17 02:32:56 GMT from United States)
Good to see flatpak and snapd maturing, but I've been coming across appimage distribution on a number of cross platform applications. No real installation, just mark the binary blob executable. One even created a .desktop file for me!
Perhaps it is the path of least resistance for (primarily) Windows devs to make an up-to-date Linux version available. So far I've come across avidemux, kdenlive, qupzilla, openshot and probably more.
4 • Opinion Poll: Sources for new software (by LiuYan on 2017-04-17 02:47:53 GMT from China)
Same as @1 . I use rpmfusion & epel & elrepo repositories for CentOS, I use rpmfusion & copr (PPA in your world) & mysql-community & opera & google-chrome & virtualbox & adobe-linux repositories for Fedora. I also need to get NoMachine & TeamViewer from their websites.
5 • software (by zykoda on 2017-04-17 07:22:49 GMT from United Kingdom)
+DIY software. Compilers are there to be used!
6 • Fragmentation (by Ivanhoe1024 on 2017-04-17 08:03:38 GMT from Italy)
The one thing I really hate about Linux is its fragmentation. Even a project in a sense born to avoid this (like snap technology), that should be universal for all distributions, is already fragmented: snaps, flatpak, appimage... it's a total fail, in this way developers have to choose between them instead of choosing between deb, rpm and so on, and there will not be a standard "to rule them all". It's a real pity...
7 • Fragmentation (by lupus on 2017-04-17 10:38:46 GMT from Germany)
There are only 2 rules in Linux Club
First Rule of Linux Club
- you do not talk about Fragmentation, it´s called competion
Second Rule of Linux Club
- Competion works
Get this easy rules into your head, at least get into your tiny head that it is not your work hours that are spend on competing paradigms.
I admit one pair of trousers is enough for me but it´ s nice to have choice, isn´ t it.
8 • The End of Ubuntu Unity!! (by Rick on 2017-04-17 11:45:38 GMT from United States)
I see Canonical finally woke up after several years, realizing that their Unity desktop was nothing more than a bloated Frankenstein monster. Why did it take them so long to realize that most people hated it? As they say, miracles never cease. Long live Gnome 2 and MATE!!
9 • Unity for Gnome, why not KDE? (by Will Senn on 2017-04-17 13:19:52 GMT from United States)
Never been a fan of Gnome, would much rather have KDE or some beefed up version of LXDE/XFCE4... or even Unity :)
10 • Repos (by Archer on 2017-04-17 13:27:51 GMT from Spain)
Official Arch repos + repo.archlinux.fr
And I get all the world software. KISS.
11 • Fragmentation (by Pat Menendez on 2017-04-17 13:50:20 GMT from Canada)
Lupus, While you are correct that competition is good, it is pretty much destroying Linux on the desktop! Printer makers can not focus on one driver for Linux. They have to create drivers for .deb, .rpm, etc. Why would a hardware maker go to all the work of creating several different drivers for Linux so that Arch based, Debian based, Red Hat / Mandriva based, etc. users can use their hardware? Some clever person writes a brilliant utility for Arch and it is of no use to the rest of Linux users. That is fragmentation plain and simple! Why would anyone working free labor go to all the effort of taking one piece of software and then porting it for each variant of Linux? So, if you want top level pro software for video editing, or graphics work etc., you have no choice but to run Windows. If you want to use a less common though superior scanner, you have to run Windows. That is pathetic and this goes on and on. The fragmented competition in the Linux Club is it's own worst enemy. The idea that we can have the diversity in Linux and have a common package format is brilliant!! A hardware maker is more likely to make a GOOD Linux driver if they can focus all their effort on making one GOOD driver rather than spread their thin resources for several lessor drivers. A software company is more likely to port a professional level program to Linux if they can make ONE port in ONE format that works for all Linux bases! A universal PPA type repository that ALL Linux distros could go to and install any piece of Linux software would move Linux ahead massively. If each platform didn't have to work hard maintaining their own competitive repositories they could use that effort to fix bugs, optimize code, COLLABORATE!!! Linux is fragmented into some 800 distros!!! It is long past time to put that competition aside and start working toward common goals! Think about the millions of man hours spent trying to be different rather than to collaborate, to work toward a common objective. Competition is good to a point. Imagine where Linux on the desktop would be right now if Linux users had a universal repository for software and hardware drivers, etc. Until the "Linux Club" starts to pull together, to collaborate, Linux is unlikely to ever be more than a curiosity with an insignificant desktop market share. Linux has so much to offer but it is tragically mired in narrow competitive self interests. That is a monumental tragedy! I long for the day that I no longer have to use "windows" for multimedia work and for competent drivers for ALL printers and scanners!!
12 • Re:fragmentation (by Will Senn on 2017-04-17 14:21:44 GMT from United States)
While you make an interesting point, .deb, .rpm, etc do not reflect different drivers, but rather different packaging mechanisms.
13 • "fragmentation" (by Jordan on 2017-04-17 14:30:07 GMT from United States)
The worst that can happen in a multi-choice environment for anything is more time spent making choices. Along the way another dynamic is there: we in the "linux club" can take many many adventurous paths, experimenting with the vast array of file formats, packaging systems, desktop environments, and on and on.
We can sit on one distro as long as we want to, or we can distro hop. Or both; keep one and install many others on your hard drive or removable media.
Yay for the Linux Club!
14 • Re; fragmentation... (by tom joad on 2017-04-17 15:12:51 GMT from Romania)
@6
Your statement, '...a standard "to rule them all,"' causes me to object. The whole concept of free, open and competitive in Linux is it's strength. It is not a weakness. And most assuredly does not need to be 'fixed.'
In the Linux universe users pick and choose what to use when and for how long. Some projects or apps or whatever rise to the top and become popular. Others are left unused or abandoned and so rejected. I think that is terrific; I embrace that.
That is also the opposite of the Microsoft and Apple worlds, where one gets what they get when the "Lords" of software decide to give you what they decide to give you.
I say long, long live fragmentation, competition and open source.
Caio!
15 • Fragmentation does not exist. (by Garon on 2017-04-17 15:21:01 GMT from United States)
Fragmentation is just about as useless a phrase as K.I.S.S. It seems like #11 is wanting everyone to jump on the Microsoft bandwagon or join the Apple club. I see no reason, personally, why I should have to sink down to that level. I do not and will not go to the "Linux App Store" /s to get software I need. And its just plain stupidity to say that people who program open source software cannot produce good quality software.
Where did you count that there are 800 different active distros out there. Maybe the definition of what an active distro means is what needs to be looked at. Just about all of the opensource applications written for the "Linux Club" can be used by any distro. Even if modifications have to be made, most of the time it can be done very easily. If you worked with computers in the late 70's and 80's, that's when you saw fragmentation lol. Oh by the way, the Microsoft and Apple users are the ones who need K.I.S.S., and never should we be held in that regard.
I also hate that Unity is gone. For anyone who wanted to spend the time to learn how to use it or were not too old to learn how to use it, it was a good desktop environment.
16 • The Worsening State Of Linux Today. (by OS2_user on 2017-04-17 15:44:20 GMT from United States)
This has to be said. No one wishes to read negatives, but major releases just never even got near working for me.
On HP dual-core, 6GB, Intel graphics, only one OS at a time on only one HD:
PCLinuxOS 2017.03 both KDE and Mate go through install then fail to boot from HD, as if bare. BTW: I'd been using 2007, then 2014.12 until just slowed down with constant HD access as if indexing all files (after maybe 50 sessions, rarely on the net, just backup and test others).
Oracle 6 could not find its "repository" on the DVD it booted from: started looking for one named "UIEdited_1"; the # incremented with my guesses to fix.
OpenSuse Leap 42 lost all display right after initial progress bars, just "out of range" on the monitor.
TrueOS-Desktop put up two lines of text then a spinner that went over 15 minutes before I cut the power.
Fedora 25 Workstation ran great (ignoring cartoonish Gnome which I could get used to), but no Virtual Box, couldn't find a hint of it even available. -- Hoping VB on Server version, first HD boot got to "localhost login" which didn't accept my root password, so that's all for Fedora.
Scientific Linux 7.3 made me see can't stand Gnome after all, seems no way to hide the two panels.
Netrunner 17.03 -- no problems! Doesn't use monitor's full res, but hey, it's running! Has Virtual Box so I can try others...
Score: only 3 of 9 even got to a GUI! Only Netrunner seems usable.
Now another category of FAIL: LXLE I can't even download with any of 3 browsers! After captcha and copying the result, just doesn't work.
If doesn't install on standard x86 hardware, I don't have time to fiddle. Linux is fragmenting into useless. Ever more desperately I look for one simply reliable with Virtual Box. Thus far, it's PCLinuxOS, once every 7 years!
17 • Fragmentation/Unity (by sydneyj on 2017-04-17 15:55:42 GMT from United States)
@15 I agree with your comments regarding fragmentation.
However, I must tell you, categorically, that one doesn't get "too old" to learn to use Unity. In fact, learning Unity, or any DE is trivial, compared to some of the more serious academic disciplines you might tackle.
18 • Sources, choices (by FOSSilizing Dinosaur on 2017-04-17 16:42:54 GMT from United States)
While some of us prefer a (community) base of Freed Open-Source software, with truth-in-labeling and containment for anything else, current extremist licensing hobbles the market. Especially in hardware.
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How many truly distro-agnostic packaging systems are available? Guix, Nix? 0install(ZeroInstall)?
Or non-packaging, like AppImage?
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Would a base of device-driver standards help? A standard interface between device drivers and kernels?
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Competition without cooperation is just conflict, and worth-less.
Standards. As in "works well with others", or It Works, Don't Break It. Respect Common Interests.
(Perhaps 'Works with Wine' instead of just 'Works with Windows'?)
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"The worst that can happen …" is a lot worse than simply making more choices. It is having no choice-set that works, because every choice breaks another.
19 • OS2 user (by bigsky on 2017-04-17 16:54:16 GMT from Canada)
That's odd as I have tried them all without a problem. Now settled in with Mint Mate 18.1 on a newer Gigabyte NUC. Stopped Distro hopping 6 months ago. Sounds like a hardware problem or messed up BIOS. It's possible ? Also installed on a mac mini Pentium core 2 duo no problem. Huuum. Thanks and good luck
20 • Finding (LXLE) downloads @13 by OS2_user (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2017-04-17 16:55:15 GMT from United States)
Isn't that project available directly from SourceForge? And by torrent from LinuxTracker? How diligent was your research?
What chat/forum support sources have you tried? Have you tried the latest Linux Lite? Or MX-15?
21 • Fragmentation (by Peter086 on 2017-04-17 17:19:52 GMT from Spain)
I love the range of choises Linux offers me, yes. I can use over a dozen different WM/DE's, even more terminals, a few office suites, a dozen media players and hundreds of themes and icon packs. But I also agree that peripheral makers have to hit a moving target....or just go with the 2 most extended distro families. This, I consider, is paramount, as driver support (real and complete) is necessary if Linux can be considered a valid option on the desktop.
My wife was quite happy using a 10 year old laptop with Mint 17.3 KDE, untill the HP printer "died" (or was beaten to death for rejecting refilled cartridges, I can't remember precisely...:) I bought a Brother DCP J562DW (with is not new to the market) and though printing was easy to get working, the scanner needed quite a bit of fiddling.....and using it through wifi was tedious on my newer 16.10 system, and impossible on her older rig.
So...the fast (and furious) solution was to use the laptops small Vista partition and install Libreoffice there (the misses says MS Office is "weird" and doesn't import HTML as well as LO).
And why? It seems the lastest changes in ubuntu haven't been taken into account by Brother (lack of coordination?), and the config doesn't work correctly. And, though on the latest 17.04 it was easier as a driverless printer with IPP, these problems scare or fustrate many users. If I were using, say Slackware, it may have well been impossible.
22 • Fragmentation (by lupus on 2017-04-17 17:27:17 GMT from Germany)
Dear Pat Menendez the Hardware Vendors for Scanners/Printers don´ t have to pack anything.
All they got to do is make their drivers open source so the community would be able to look into it and fix the issues at hand.
I´m not a huge fan of Mr. Stallman´s all or nothing approach to free software, I´m not that paranoid not to use closed source if it´s the only thing available. But if you don´t have the manpower to make a package for for each and every possible consumer IMHO you should have the balls to go open source. If that´ s not the case you don´t want me as a customer so go f**k yourself, at least there is competition!
23 • Fragmentation (by Jason Hsu on 2017-04-17 17:58:35 GMT from Canada)
There are always people complaining about too much fragmentation and that there are so many different projects doing things in so many different ways.
No, I don't see this as a problem. If we decided to "reign in" the fragmentation "problem", then who gets to decide which projects must fold and which ones to to continue? How would you like it if your distro, package manager, or DE was among those ordered to cease and desist?
Windows is an example of why it's great to have choices. When Windows makes controversial changes, the users are expected to suck it up. (It seems that most of them do exactly that.) When Ubuntu and GNOME made controversial changes, users didn't have to suck it up. So they moved on to other distros and DEs.
24 • Maui (by whaven on 2017-04-17 18:11:47 GMT from United States)
I love Maui - the look, the feel and the responsiveness. This is by far the fastest KDE Plasma distro I have used.
25 • Fragmentation (by Charles Burge on 2017-04-17 18:23:45 GMT from United States)
I like having choices, but how many more times do we need someone to repackage Debian with some different icons and colors and call it a new distro? Wouldn't his time be better spent by contributing to one of the existing projects? Having a choice between Arch, Fedora, Mageia, and a few others is great in my opinion, but I don't see why we need two dozen different spins of Ubuntu.
26 • Lubuntu 17.04 (by Gekxxx on 2017-04-17 20:03:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
I believe Lubuntu 17.04 does not use swapfile. i installed without swap, expecting a swapfile, but in System Monitor no swapfile was active. I installed now with /, swap and home partitions as installing with auto LVM resulted in only one partition, which I do not prefer. For the record, I used Lubuntu Alternate CD.
27 • Debian flash (by gekxxx on 2017-04-17 20:06:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
I do not succeed installing flash on the latest Debian 8.7 series. Also with all the optional packages nothing works. Is it me or do others have the same prob? Solution?
28 • Opinion Poll: Sources for software (by Billy Bob on 2017-04-17 20:13:29 GMT from Spain)
Pretty similar to @2, I use Epel repositories for my CentOS machines, RPMfusion and Copr (there is little software for CentOS) for my Fedora machines and I also have my own repository in OBS. And one of the basic that I allways use is self compiled using Github sources.
29 • Choice/;fragmentation' (by Dave Postles on 2017-04-17 20:25:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
Here's my choice: support gross global tax-avoiding oligopolies such as Apple/MS or engage with ethical producers of decent OS (Linux/BSD). No contest.
30 • unity drop (by stefan on 2017-04-17 20:46:34 GMT from Germany)
What does discontinuation of unity mean for mir? Will Ubuntu abandon mir also? google couldn't answer, but perhaps some distrowatch reader knows.
31 • Fragmentation (by P.M. on 2017-04-17 20:47:54 GMT from United States)
Due in part to the "Linux Fragmentation" throughout, I decided to jump ship and switched over to FreeBSD, instead. Don't get me wrong, I'm still running Linux on a server at work (Debian w/ZFSonLinux), but even that's getting phased out in favor of FreeBSD w/ZFS.
Sure, there aren't nearly as many drivers available in the BSD camps as there are in the Linux camp. But, I do take the time to research all hardware that I need for FreeBSD to work with before committing to any purchases. One thing though, because I mostly don't require any type of GUI for work, switching over to FreeBSD wasn't that much of a stretch, either.
On a side note, if I were a gamer, I'd probably be running Gentoo.
Personally speaking, I honestly wish these hardware manufacturers would open source their drivers for communities like ours. I'm a firm believer that the open source community has more to offer and contribute than any proprietary software offerings.
32 • Software Sources Poll (by cykodrone on 2017-04-17 20:48:57 GMT from Canada)
No stores but everything else, PPAs, backports, package search sites, git, etc. I use Clam, so 'alien' files can be scanned (speaking of alien, I install that too, to convert rpms to debs or vice versa, then install them), I've never had a problem with viruses in Linux. If I try to install something and the distro 'complains' (usually a lack of dependencies), I try satisfying the dependency issues first, if that doesn't work, I just look for something similar. It's very rare that I don't find what I need or fail to get something to work, in my experience, there's almost always a work-around. This is mostly moot anyway, between the two bare metal distros I use (deb and rpm based), I usually find and install what I need from their 'normal' repos, that being said, I'm a fairly typical PC user, browser, email, multimedia, kodi, etc, nothing too exotic. I voted 'some combination'.
Question: Does anybody know Chris Lamb's stance on init freedom in Debian?
33 • Mir (by Jesse on 2017-04-17 20:55:50 GMT from Canada)
@30: I believe Mir will still be developed for Canonical's Internet of Things platform. This will narrow Mir's scope and it is unlikely Mir will continue to be developed with phones and desktops in mind.
34 • re:#16 Worsening State Linux? (by Bobbie Sellers on 2017-04-17 21:21:45 GMT from United States)
A little note about Comment 16.
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16 • The Worsening State Of Linux Today. (by OS2_user on 2017-04-17 15:44:20 GMT from United States)
This has to be said. No one wishes to read negatives, but major releases just never even got near working for me.
On HP dual-core, 6GB, Intel graphics, only one OS at a time on only one HD:
PCLinuxOS 2017.03 both KDE and Mate go through install then fail to boot from HD, as if bare. BTW: I'd been using 2007, then 2014.12 until just slowed down with constant HD access as if indexing all files (after maybe 50 sessions, rarely on the net, just backup and test others).
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I use PCLinux OS 2017.04 and just ran my update to kernel 4.10.10 today
I did have to do a little adjustment on my GRUB menu with Grub-Customizer.
so that I could list the older version 2016.03 at the top of the menu where
I like to have it. I have set up to 4 OSes on this 2011 machine with
originaly MBR. I set it up for use with the GPT last week running a mixed
system before to which modern distros failed to install.
The OP fails to mention how he setup the disk or whether he set it up on
MBR or (U)EFI firmware. We do not know of his skill level or willingness
to learn the essential parts of setting up a GPT on an MBR machine,
I prefer KDE's Plasma 4 (yes they called it that when Mandriva forced it down
our throats years ago) because Plasma 5 is still unfinished, I wanted to set
up the screen saver with different timing basically but there is no place to
to that on Plasma 5 System Settings. I also wanted to change the
login so that names are not shown but that seems to be impossible
at this point. Plasma 5 suffers in comparison to Plasma 4 where those
facilities are available as well as Digital Clock that permits copying
date and time.
I am writing from an HP Pavilion with AMD10 4 cores/ 12 Gigabytes.
I have a working (mostly unused) Windows 8.1 and working PCLOS 2016.03
fully updated. I used to to a Compaq AMD Dual Core with Mandriva (originally)
and then PCLOS from 2014.
35 • Fragmentation 2 - The vengeay (by Ivanhoe1024 on 2017-04-17 21:24:08 GMT from Italy)
I didn't think to start such a flame, but I really want to thank all of you for sharing your point of view with me in a very kind way (apart for one that I really think is a raccoon...) that said, I really enjoy to have different choices, I like the idea of having lots of GUIs, distros with different approaches to stability, bleeding-edge, ecc ecc ecc. the only thing I was complaining about is the fact that we already have lot of choices that will remain there for us even if there were only a single "universal package" format! I was hoping that, apart from choosing Arch's packages or apt or whatever, only for the things that are not included in the standard repos there could be a single alternative, only in this case! So we could still choose different distro, GUI, packages, stable vs unstable, rolling vs fixed, AND for only few programs that are reticent to be packaged for Linux, have a single option, to try to entice the creation of such packages... is that so terrible?
36 • #34 editing locked up (by Bobbie Sellers on 2017-04-17 21:39:55 GMT from United States)
Yes it is rather long but something caused the editing to lock up before I did my corrections.
'Well to add to the comment on the topic of #16'
Linux is not particularly User Friendly but it is friendly
enough to the User who learns about Linux.
bliss "running fast and light" on PCLinuxOS64-2016.03
GNU/Linux 4.10.10-pclos1 #1 SMP Wed Apr 12
37 • LXLE (by bigsky on 2017-04-17 21:55:42 GMT from Canada)
@20 The LXLE download from their web site is a bit odd to use for a newcomer. You first have to chose your download of course 64 bit 32 bit then you follow a few questions as in fill in the captcha then press enter from their be patient and it will bring you back where you have to press submit. Tried it 6 months ago and it's a fine OS. Even when you download from Source forge it still bring you to the LXLE site. Hopefully this will help OS2 user. Just thought I would bring this up. Merci.
38 • memory usage (by Gekxxx on 2017-04-17 23:06:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
I run Lubuntu with LXDE, Debian 8.7 with Gnome3 and OBRevenge with Openbox. Gnome system indacated 540MB usage for idle Lubuntu, 440MB usage for idle Debian 8 and 340MB usage for idle OBRevenge. So for old PC OBRevenge seems te be the good choice. But why OBRevenge is never in the list of lightest distros? Not that Lubuntu is a bad choice, rather the opposite. Runs great. Just wondering as Debian with Gnome beats Lubuntu. Disd not expect this outcome.
39 • Debian Flash (by luvr on 2017-04-18 09:14:12 GMT from Belgium)
@27 The 'flashplugin-nonfree' package under Debian relies on a checksum file that the package maintainer is apparently supposed to upload.
However, the latest available checksum file applies to version 24.0.0.186 of the Flash Plugin, while the current version (which the package will attempt to install) is 25.0.0.148. (You can find the available checksum files at 'https://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/D5C0FC14/'.)
In my opinion, the Debian package, even if it works, is not particularly useful anyway, in that it will download the current Flash Plugin version when you install the package, but it will not automatically keep the plugin up-to-date for you. (You will manually have to run the 'update-flashplugin-nonfree' script, which the package installs in the '/usr/sbin' directory, whenever you wish to receive a new version of the Flash Plugin.)
If you still want to get the Flash Plugin up and running with the least possible hassle, then you will be better off downloading the '.tar.gz' file from the Adobe web site, at 'https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/', unpack it, and copy the 'libflashplayer.so' file to the '/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins' directory. Optionally, also copy the contents of the 'usr' directory into place, i.e., as root: cp -rv usr/* /usr (see the 'readme.txt' file for more info).
40 • Re: The Worsening State Of Linux Today. (by No Body on 2017-04-18 10:29:07 GMT from Switzerland)
@OS2_user
You should consider sticking to Mac and Windows.
If you can't use Linux, you should learn.
If you can't learn, you should give up.
I tried all of those Linuxes mentiond by you, on many different Machines and they all worked, Some better then the others and all of them had some issues but basicaly - they all worked.
So, the problem is sitting in front of a computer.
41 • drivers (by Pat Menendez on 2017-04-18 10:56:56 GMT from Canada)
The idea of all hardware makers turning drivers over to open source I'm not sure will help too much. I suspect that that would end up torn into competing bits too. Where are we in open source software? Not much further ahead than years ago. If we need top level software we still have to buy windows (or MAC) and windows (MAC) based software. That is the unavoidable fact whether we want to admit it or not. Open source doesn't have the manpower or the support mechanism. Who is going to write the better driver, someone tinkering in their spare time as a hobby or the group of techs on the job getting paid to focus on the task at hand. Yes, absolutely, open source can adjust and tweak things but where are the open source drivers with the options and capabilities and function of proprietary drivers, made by the maker of the hardware? Theory is one thing, on the ground reality is another. We need to get some standardization and structure to make Linux investment and involvement more attractive to hardware and software makers. Just moving to a standardized package format would be a great first step.
Bobby Seller, you are right about Plasma 5. It is a stripped and gutted desktop. Much of the desktop and customization options of KDE 4 have been removed. It looks and works like windoze 10 for Linux. They are pulling a Gnome 3 and I hope that someone takes KDE 4 and resurrects it like Mate did for Gnome 2!
distro hopping is great fun. I don't mean play with the "live DVD". I install them and use them on their own SSD. Not dual boot or VM. There is always something to like about each one but I have always come back to PCLinuxOS. NO ONE has the repositories they have. No one has a more user friendly or powerful or reliable package management. Nothing I have tried runs as consistently and does everything I want the desktop to do. With KDE 4 sadly fading into the sunset I have been looking for a substitute and now start with KDE 4 MiniMe, get it updated and shut off the Akonadi and Nepomuk bloat and then install XFCE and use that with Cairo Dock. It is super responsive and gives me KDE's Dolphin file manager, Digicam, Ksnapshot, etc. Those choices may not be for everyone but they do what I want/need them to do.
42 • Drivers (by lupus on 2017-04-18 11:38:03 GMT from Germany)
Dear Pat Menendez, if you want to use a computer and don't want to share all your information with your software vendor (especially Microsoft) you are stuck with open source. This is the only fact that matters to me.
I for sure don't have the time to hunt down every Microsoft glitch in order to keep my interests a private matter.
The 'new' software as a service paradigm (not so new) is their foot in our door: If you always want the newest an shiniest (beware of the mighty Virus,Trojan etc.) software they want to know what you're buying and where, when and why. They want to know your friends and family and try to guess your needs before you even thought you needed anything!
That is disgusting to say the least.
If I google my special interests I do it with the knowledge that from now on till the end of my time Google knows. If I don't want that there are easy ways around that. There is a difference you see?
And because I work in the Software Industry let me say this: In the moment a piece of shitware kind of runs the Hardware Manufacturer almost immediately lost interest. He calls it market ready and the pencil pushers with their excel sheets take over and calculate X (watch Fight Club). If the Manufacturer thinks highly of his products there wil be up to 3 requests for patches. Normally 1 must do. A complete rewrite is totally out of question who has the time and money for that.
So I say open source is the way to go.
43 • Fragmentation (by Pat Menendez on 2017-04-18 12:09:28 GMT from Canada)
To continue this open source and driver question, why have half of all Linux distros failed? It is NOT because of lack of insight or ability. Many of them made valuable contributions that thanks to the horrendous fragmentation are lost to the Linux Community so the wheel keeps getting reinvented. They failed because the creator(s) had to put food on the table and a roof over their heads. I suspect that most had to support a family as well. They needed a job that paid the bills. They could not afford to work for free. How can that paradigm ever compete with or hope to compete with Proprietary drivers? I think a better open source solution would be to cooperate on specific bits rather than taking off and building and maintaining a complete and separate distro. All distros are pressed for manpower and money. For what they have they are amazing people. So, rather than fragment and create an entire new distro based on Arch for example, gather a group of individuals who share your interest in one specific area like desktop themes and CONTRIBUTE to Arch doing what you love to improve Arch rather than creating a whole new distro just to do your Arch theme creation? If File systems or a desktop say XFCE, or a specific language are your gig, rather than create a whole new distro to do that, COLLABORATE with an existing distro rather than start whole new distro just to play with your file system and or desktop improvements etc.. Work as groups to support someone else, to improve the community. Creating and maintaining a whole new distro only differing from the parent in wallpaper and icon theme is a massive waste or manpower and resources! At the end of the day, it does not matter what base your distro is on, it gets used for the same things which makes the horrendous fragmentation redundant. Perhaps what is needed most is a change in leadership style, or dictatorship, allowing fresh ideas to given space for development rather than shunned out of hand. I'm not saying that there should only be one master Linux base. My question is, who benefits from 120 distros based on Ubuntu? That is a huge amount of manpower and resources for what? One size does NOT fit all but at what point does the fragmentation become ridiculous and pointless?
44 • Ubuntu Gnome (by Mark D on 2017-04-18 12:15:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
Glad to hear about the end of Unity. Although I've been using it as a daily desktop at work, I was never really that keen on it.
I hope this means they will return to providing a 'traditional' style desktop with Gnome. I hate the 'convergence' fashion. If they could get rid of the horrible orange+purple colour scheme too (or provide an easier-on-the-eye alternative option) then so much the better!
45 • Fragmentation (by Grraf on 2017-04-18 14:18:09 GMT from Romania)
So sorry myself or smb else has to specifically say it to you: the linux ecosystem is simply mirroring nature's 'survival of the fittest' model and as such the strong carry on surviving and adapting when necessary while the rest die out... Debian,Arch,RHEL,SUSE,Ubuntu(if it actually sobers up before its too late) are likely going to be around for ever and they will spawn some pretty odd&playfull kids that will on occasion be close to overtake its parent but as we all seen along the years most never reach maturity and die off...
Sure some will actually reach maturity and stand tall&proud next to theyr parent but those are few(like MINT,Sabayon,Mageia) also along side them u will also see the 'sheltered' ones practically spoon fed by theyr overprotective parents(like Fedora,CentOS,OpenSuse)...
One way or another the alphas are always bound to father large litters of cubs but of them few will ever reach true maturity&independence...
46 • Fragmentation (by lupus on 2017-04-18 14:41:05 GMT from Germany)
Dear Pat How do you measure failure and success?
Linux is open source and creates great value measured in quality,privacy,stability,freedom etc.. Just because something is open source doesn´ t mean there is no revenue created. Ask the people from RedHat if they can put food on the table? I think we all know the answer to that particular question.
For you success seems to be a measure of quantity. Just because Windows and Android are dished out with much hardware doesn´t make it succesful in every aspect e.g. they don´ t respect privacy or freedom or security. But sure there is food on the table.
But still more and more people take leaps of faith and although they already paid Microsoft Tax and try the Linux way. Sure 8 out of 10 stay with Windows because their favourite game won´ t run under Linux or the expensive Scanner doesn´t work. As long as they learn something about freedom respecting Software, privacy respecting file systems (encryption), and open document file types it´s more than OK for me.
The fragmentation issue you have is only a problem in your head. Enthusiastic freedom lovers do some extra work in extra time to have it their way. Sometimes this even goes upstream, Budgie Desktop anyone?? Those people don´t work for you and sure much work goes unnoted for the umpteenth time, why do you care. Don´t be a consumer be a contributer!
47 • Replies to 34 and 40: (by OS2_user on 2017-04-18 14:53:36 GMT from United States)
I'm here because WANT a Linux to work and am disappointed.
@#34 "The OP fails to mention how he setup the disk or whether he set it up on MBR or (U)EFI firmware. -- Had you read, I state ONE disk on which had PCLinux 2014.12 previously. Partitioned fresh. Oh, it's possible that I (twice) missed something new.
And "We do not know of his skill level or willingness" -- Adequate to stick a PCLinuxOS DVD in and click the few items. This time didn't work. Twice.
My view for other possible objections: IT'S NOT ME. I've soldered a RAM chip into a TRS-80 to get lower case, wrote the text editor I'm using right now, and so on. Install simply didn't work. Much of my point is that even in simplest situation I'm not guaranteed will boot.
@#40 "You should consider sticking to Mac and Windows. If you can't use Linux, you should learn. If you can't learn, you should give up."
Yeah, that's sound advice -- which I'm being forced to adopt! Heck, I'm so stupid couldn't even get PCLinuxOS of 2014 to store the screen resolution, no matter how many times I pressed "save"! Guess I should rummage for and edit xorg.conf, eh?
I DO NOT WANT TO "LEARN" LINUX! I want to USE a computer for tasks, not endlessly struggle just to get the basics. If you want Linux to spread, then you cannot rely on a few expert fanatics. I hope others will heed the actual problems I note, not just say they don't exist and question my competence.
I'll add for perspective that bought a dual-core Shuttle at flea market and repaired its PS (Duplicated the cross-regulation choke that burned up when the caps failed. Could YOU do that?), anyway, it had XP and is fast and reliable, a delight in comparison to all recent GUIs!
No, having put in much effort over several years, I'm NOT going to "learn" any more Linux: it's not generally useful, only distro specific quirks. Besides, they're always inventing new flaws.
By the way, I use OS/2, hence the name. Over four years now installed on 1G SATA drive. Almost zero maintenance. Very few bugs. Same dull GUI of 2001. And yet it's still more advanced than Linux.
48 • Posts # 16 and # 47 / LXLE Direct Download (by Winchester on 2017-04-18 15:50:55 GMT from United States)
There are direct download links for the 64-bit versions of LXLE right here on distrowatch.com .... through SourceForge ..... not linked back to the LXLE website.
lxle-14.04.4-64bit.iso =
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09336
which links to :
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxle/files/Final/OS/14044-64/lxle-14.04.4-64bit.iso/download?use_mirror=svwh
and lxle_16_04_2_64.iso =
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09782
which links to :
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxle/files/Final/OS/16.04.2-64/lxle_16_04_2_64.iso/download?use_mirror=svwh
The links work using a FireFox based web browser.
In order to boot PClinuxOS , or other operating systems in its family such as Mageia , ROSA , and OpenMandriva ...... sometimes you need to add the resume=UUID line to the GRUB / BURG menu entry. The resume=UUID UUID is the UUID of your SWAP partition which also has to be in the /etc/fstab file. It's not very difficult to adjust using another live CD / iso if this is the case.
I have had absolutely no issues saving my screen resolution in this year's PClinuxOS. The 64-bit Trinity "Big Daddy" community edition of PClinuxOS. I don't even remember how I did it so,it could not have been too much of a project. I have had the correct resolution right from the start.
Maybe try some other beginner friendly or semi-beginner friendly distributions such as Gecko Linux Rolling Tumbleweed Live DVD LXQT , Solus , Linux Lite , Peppermint , FatDog64 , LxPupSC , Zorin , MX-16 , SolydX , the LXLE iso's linked above,maybe even Korora or KaOS. Or,don't try them if you don't want to bother. I personally don't care. I am just putting it out there.
49 • Re. Open Source and Drivers (by P.M. on 2017-04-18 16:58:13 GMT from United States)
There's this tiny company that I heard about out in California that RELIES entirely on Open Source for there business... if memory serves me right, I believe their name is: "Google"
Like I said, they're a small company, so I guess they better start making plans now to close up shop and board the place up before they end up filing bankruptcy for all the Open Source software they use.
50 • Learn vs. Use (by FOSSilizing Dinosaur on 2017-04-18 17:26:06 GMT from United States)
A computer is a hardware base for a software tool-set, the operating system (including device drivers, file-system drivers, perhaps window-manager(s) and/or desktop-environments) simply provides access to the software tools.
Some people enjoy learning about tools more than using tools, of course. Others may prefer to use the tools for tasks of interest.
For working on a particular hardware assembly, version rules. An old version of an OS (Operating System) that works well on it may work less well (or malfunction entirely) with an update (or "upgrade"). Backup-copy discipline helps, and so does update control.
Software tools may be updated separately. If dependencies force malfunctions, perhaps something like AppImages (which may be "sandboxed") would serve better, even though "less optimized".
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If, for example, 'OS/2_user' discovers an ISO that works on that Shuttle, perhaps a multi-boot (on separate drives?) or virtual setup would serve, if updating were kept under strict control. AppImages could also minimize the risk of breakage.
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The tools chosen should be driven by the task(s) to be done. What good is minimizing RAM used (one definition of "light"), if it makes the user less efficient or effective for the intended task(s)?
51 • Repos (by far2fish on 2017-04-18 18:03:16 GMT from Denmark)
I prefer to use the distros official repositories only or download source or binary directly fromwell known vendors or developers if the software is not available in the official repo. For instance virtualbox.org
I am not comfortable installing from COPR/PPA/AUR
52 • Re: Replies to 34 and 40: (by No Body on 2017-04-18 18:09:40 GMT from Switzerland)
@OS2_user
Well, the point is: You must learn, not if you want it or not.
You want to drive the car? You must learn it. You want to walk straight at the street, you must learn it... The problem is of "capitalistic" nature - one has to sell the stuff somehow and everybody is (unfortunately) allowed to buy the computer without any proof that he / she is able to use it.
Only expectations & bad attitude can not help - "I DO NOT WANT TO "LEARN" LINUX! I want to USE a computer for tasks..."
Who cares what do you want?? I want to fly with a Suhoy jet, or the Space Shuttle but they always tell me, I have to learn flying first. :( Sh..T. I do not want to learn, I want to fly!
No computer will ever work properly if you do not spend some time learning how to properly install it and then how to use it. No, not even OS2 (I have that dinosaur too). And no, Linux is not perfect at all, but on the other side, no any other system is.
Just started Rosa Fresh R8 LIVE, screen resolution was stuck at 800x600 px at first on a 1920x1200 monitor. One single click and the fglrx was installed. Log out, log in and it is working like charm. In LIVE session! Do that with Windows... or OS2. ;)
Not only BSD, Linux or Solaris, not even Mac or Windows will "just work". One or the other time, you end up at comand line to repair it. Just finish repair of a Windows 10...
As I previously said, the problem is sitting in front of the computer... maybe you should try iOS instead... or change your attitude.
53 • Question to OS2_user (by far2fish on 2017-04-18 18:12:56 GMT from Denmark)
Last time (and in fact the only time I tried OS/2) was in the mid 90'ies. If your OS/2 is from 2001 how usable is it? Can you do anything with it besides text editing and very basic web browsing?
54 • PCLOS Control Center (by M.Z. on 2017-04-18 20:17:49 GMT from United States)
@47
"...couldn't even get PCLinuxOS of 2014 to store the screen resolution..."
Did you ever try 'Control Center' > 'Hardware' > 'Set up the graphical server' & play with the resolution settings in there? I made the mistake a couple of times of not trying the control center first. Once was setting the time (it doesn't work via the KDE 'configure your desktop' settings, only the control center), & the other was setting up a printer. I got the printer to work just fine with HP software in the PCLOS repos, but it is far easier & more consistent/persistent when you go through the control center. Note that I had similar issues, so I don't blame you for being annoyed, but I find PCLOS is a great distro once you get the hang of it.
Also as a general note, I find several versions Linux very easy to use & run these handful consistently & successfully everywhere. On the off chance that one doesn't work I always have at least two others & they can be very similar in terms of setup. For me I tend to use PCLinuxOS & Mageia, which are extremely similar in terms of the the Control Center, & I use various versions Mint including the main editions & LMDE. Not only do the quarks of Mint transfer between versions, but there is also a fair bit that is applicable to other Debian & Ubuntu based distros. You can use the DW search tool to find distros that are in the same family & will tend to share more quarks. I use two families to try & get the most opportunity for hardware compatibility, though in my case I find that Mageia & PCLOS tend to work in different places despite sharing similar roots.
http://distrowatch.com/search.php
As a side note, Linux is heavily used everywhere from Android phones to super computers. There are lots of people that find it great on the desktop as well. Sorry if you had problems, but it's just rude to come here & generalize about it always being bad on the desktop. I've had consistent problems getting the BSDs to work on the desktop, but I don't go out of my way to start flame wars over it. Also I still use BSD all the time via Netflix & my firewall, when the arcane hardware I use for pfSense isn't failing anyway. You probably have lots of great experiences with Linux all the time & don't take any notice of it, regardless of if it's a TV, google search, or Droid phone. It can be a little more messy on the desktop when you have to do some of the support, but I'm sure you're using Linux regularly & successfully regardless of your desktop experience.
55 • Fragmentation or balkanization (by Didier Spaier on 2017-04-18 22:56:19 GMT from France)
I can't say it better than Michael Cornelison aka kornelix:
http://kornelix.net/Linux/linux%20opinion.html
He is among other software the author of the awesome fotoxx, so I think he knows what he is speaking about and his opinion matters.
His software:
http://kornelix.net/
56 • Lubuntu 17.04 test (by gekxxx on 2017-04-18 23:27:04 GMT from Belgium)
I reinstalled Lubuntu with 250MB boot, 30GB root and 970GB Home partitions. During install a swap file was created automatic. This time my monitor did not give 540MB memory usage like my previous install with a swap partition, but only 383MB which is great. So for all those who try 17.04, do not create a swap partition with manual partitioning. This is a big step forward for all Ubuntus.
57 • on Balkanization article (by FOSSilizing Dinosaur on 2017-04-19 05:40:05 GMT from United States)
"In contrast, Microsoft provides a stable standard …" - only for a few years, after which revenue desperation drives more crack-the-whip "development".
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"Developers have little regard for standards that could constrain freedom or innovation." Standards actually liberate developers to innovate and rise above endlessly re-inventing the same wheels. What developers have little regard for is often user concerns, like clear documentation (The FULL Manual) or a complete UI (with one or more layers of Advanced options).
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Thanks for the link.
58 • Maui Linux (by Romane on 2017-04-19 07:15:18 GMT from Australia)
Thanks to the article this week, have given Maui a try, set up for dual boot with my Debian system. Thanks to an issue with os-prober, now resolved, was initially unable to boot from the installed copy without some fiddling. Now, typing this while running Maui.
Finding it responsive and very configurable. The issue with sudden shut-down is reverted to the desired behaviour through a setting in the System Settings. Same to achieve single-click for the desktop and the file-manager.
Guess that have only one complaint, and that is that based on Ubuntu. Nothing good or bad about Ubuntu in this, I just happen to prefer Debian itself as a base.
Good job, Maui developers. Keep it up.
59 • PCLOS Control Center (by Pat Menendez on 2017-04-19 11:08:49 GMT from Canada)
This is truly one of the most brilliant innovations to come to Linux! Too bad it is only available for Mandriva based distros! Why no one has ported it to Arch and Debian etc. is impossible to understand! It is a major factor in my trying other distros but returning to PCLinuxOS!
60 • @30 @33 Mir (by curious on 2017-04-19 12:58:25 GMT from Germany)
So, Mir and Unity are going the way of Upstart ... and I expect Snap to be dropped in favor of Flatpak sometime in the future too.
It is rather unfortunate that Canonical has tried to develop alternatives to various RedHat-mandated "technology advances" and has consistently failed to actually establish them.
Ubuntu - and Ubuntu-based distros - used to run better (in my experience) before they transitioned to systemd. So I would assume that Upstart was quite a good, working init system. I still don't understand why they dropped it.
61 • @60 (by mandog on 2017-04-19 14:56:02 GMT from Peru)
You are answering your own questions.
Ubuntu has done everything possible within the gpl rules to isolate Ubuntu from the rest of the Linux world.
Take upstart R/H wanted to use upstart in v6 Ubuntu refused to release the code to them and systemd was born,
Unity only worked on Ubuntu arch users tried for years to get unity stable did not succeed. did you ever see a fully working unity desktop on any other distro
Mir was Ubuntus idea to upstage Wayland and isolate its self even more again did not work Ubuntu has consistently tried to take over Linux. Again only compatible with Unity
If you think bad about RedHat being a corporate company think again everything it does it gives back
to the Linux world vast amounts of its earnings for support goes into kernel development security a bit to Gnome and many other small projects and gives developers its expertise
Ubuntu is a corparate company powered by greed and domination of Linux, Ubuntu started well in its early day then had big ideas to be the microsoft of the Linux world and really lost the plot.
Money does not make R/H Linux great creativity for the benefit of all users does, something a lot of users and Shuttleworth can't grasp his only aim in life is Money.
Sorry this is not a rant I used Ubuntu in the early years it started by isolating non Ubuntu users on the forums, Mint was born gave users what they wanted listened to users. I like many left Ubuntu never to return we saw the true Ubuntu emerge.
62 • GUI "Control Center" application (by tim on 2017-04-19 17:27:57 GMT from United States)
@59 In recent years, many distros have indeed incorporated a "Control Center" app similar to that found in PCLinuxOS. If you liveboot any of the various distros shipping XFCE or KDE, you'll find a configuation GUI comparable to the one in PCLinuxOS. Some distros, for instance LinuxLite, also antiX, are even "going the extra mile" and developing extended "Control Center" GUIs in-house. Very nice.
63 • Control Center (by lupus on 2017-04-19 19:52:50 GMT from Germany)
If you are looking for an excellent Control Center you should look into Deepin. If it wasn´t for slow repositories it could easiely be my daily driver,
64 • @52 (by imnotrich on 2017-04-20 05:42:01 GMT from Mexico)
Learning to drive a car is easy. Writing the firmware for the car's computer? Not so much.
Not everyone wants to get their fingernails dirty, I understand that. Still, for Linux to gain wider acceptance there should be some basic functionality that every distro's developers should focus on, long before they start coding bizarre UI's like Unity or Winblows 8 or features that the average user won't care about.
How many years has it been since pulseaudio was foisted on us, and still people need to uninstall it to get working audio?
Or the systemd thing, also shoved down our throats long before it was ready?
I've done some distro hopping over the last 15 years or so, learned a thing or two along the way but for the most part every distro, every version I've tried has failed at one or more basic tasks like sound, video, networking, wifi, printing you know basic stuff that regular computer users need every day for work or play. When I was younger, I found these challenges quite fun. Years later, I'm older and more focused on getting work done. I don't have the time and energy to spend 6 weeks fighting with a new install to get everything working. I figured maybe some of these distros had matured too. Some did, some did not.
And then I discovered Mint 17.1. I had everything I needed installed and configured in less than a couple hours. People try to degrade Ubuntu or Mint by characterizing them as distros for noobs. Well guess what? Old dinosaurs like them too. Still plenty of room for me to tinker and break things with Mint when I have some slack time but for the most part basic functionality JUST WORKS. I don't have to fight with my distro anymore!
Which is good, because I don't know squat about auto mechanics.
65 • Pulseaudio (by Somewhat Reticent on 2017-04-20 06:45:19 GMT from United States)
Is often the only way to get audio working on a system, legacy or modern.
Wouldn't have taken over if ALSA (or OSS before it) had 1) kept up with hardware (hdmi, bluetooth, etc), 2) usable UIs, and 3) The Full Manual (clear documentation).
The Linux dev community apparently figured they could debug and tame it, accepted it in many distros, and made the buggy mess work. It's been done.
Like any other complex subsystem, at times it may need a tweak or two.
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(Aside to 'notrich' (nobody is) - glad you found something that works for you.)
66 • Sound, Video, Networking (by Winchester on 2017-04-20 13:03:57 GMT from United States)
There are plenty of distributions other than Mint and Ubuntu with working sound,video,and networking including some with advantages over Mint and Ubuntu. Seriously.
Printing can depend on the specific printer. Hewlett-Packard is usually a safe bet as far as printing under a GNU/Linux system goes.
67 • Drivers (by Justin on 2017-04-20 14:55:56 GMT from United States)
I've been enjoying the comments about drivers. To anyone who works in software or development, ask about getting your stuff released open source or packaged for Linux. There are a myriad of licenses besides GPL, and the reality is when it comes to drivers, there isn't much "secret sauce" that's going to make your software better than someone else's (you're selling hardware not drivers).
Be a voice in your company pushing for the standards and goals that the Linux community shares. My company sells a Debian-based distribution, so perhaps I'm lucky we're already supporting Linux. However, I ask about releasing more of our changes and having better licensing. I try using Arch internally where I can to get people out of a single-distro mindset. We all have places we can make a difference. Add a Linux option at your school. Help people see there is no difference. Tell people about Homebank or other FOSS software. Offer to help recycle those "useless" machines IT has into something that the company can still use. Et cetera, et cetera.
Do your little part, no matter how small, and your environment will change to something better.
68 • Consumer Toys (by Arch Watcher 402563 on 2017-04-21 04:23:34 GMT from United States)
Your average consumer wants apps on a drag-n-drop-swish-n-press screen. The init war is irrelevant. Distro fragging is irrelevant. They don't care if it's Linux, BSD, Android, Windows, or OS/2. Most are too scared, smug, or herd conditioned to change OS yet. To me the key missing FOSS advocacy is word-of-mouth on apps for mass herd platforms.
Big Apps enjoy first-mover advantage but that's all. Corporate "support" is a joke compared to FOSS forumblogmailchatbugzillas. Even on herd platforms, you can shift from PayUpOffice to LibreOffice, BluffdaleSkyPipe to tox, Macehook and geemail to RetroShare, etc. Keep Big Apps installed for comfort.
FOSS gobsmacks most people. They know not such apps exist, and eagerly consume, if only to avoid cost on s/w upgrades or planned obsolescence.
OEM hardware vendors already write FOSS drivers for Linus. The ones who don't get reverse engineered and eventually cave when FOSS drivers approach parity. You also find MS giving away Windows for free to large accounts just to keep its base.
@65 Pulse runs atop ALSA. It's utter crapware and no replacement. StartPage my handle to find supporting links. Pulse has nothing to do with drivers or hardware, just APIs. And users don't read manuals. They do buy gear from the wrong outfit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgBDdDdSqNE
https://privacysos.org/node/1177
69 • Sound (by Somewhat Reticent on 2017-04-21 07:49:51 GMT from United States)
(@68) Yes, Pulseaudio and/or Jack generally run as added middleware layer(s) between ALSA and/or OSS etc and the UI. Yes, it started out as a mess of buggy code, and still isn't pretty. And it facilitated use of HDMI connections, bluetooth, and other hardware developments.
ALSA (and apulse) UIs and implementations fell short (like OSS before?). I haven't seen any evidence that they (or their documentation) have caught up. I have seen multiple contradictory obfuscations where clear organized Full Manuals and better UIs should have been (In-My-Opinion).
For that matter, I haven't seen pulseaudio advancing much lately either, or even working all that well, though that may initially involve kernel/driver regressions due to hardware vendor influence. Development surges seem often followed by periods of neglect and decay.
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| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
| • Issue 1066 (2024-04-15): Fun projects to do with the Raspberry Pi and PinePhone, installing new software on fixed-release distributions, improving GNOME Terminal performance, Mint testing new repository mirrors, Gentoo becomes a Software In the Public Interest project |
| • Issue 1065 (2024-04-08): Dr.Parted Live 24.03, answering questions about the xz exploit, Linux Mint to ship HWE kernel, AlmaLinux patches flaw ahead of upstream Red Hat, Calculate changes release model |
| • Issue 1064 (2024-04-01): NixOS 23.11, the status of Hurd, liblzma compromised upstream, FreeBSD Foundation focuses on improving wireless networking, Ubuntu Pro offers 12 years of support |
| • Issue 1063 (2024-03-25): Redcore Linux 2401, how slowly can a rolling release update, Debian starts new Project Leader election, Red Hat creating new NVIDIA driver, Snap store hit with more malware |
| • Issue 1062 (2024-03-18): KDE neon 20240304, changing file permissions, Canonical turns 20, Pop!_OS creates new software centre, openSUSE packages Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1061 (2024-03-11): Using a PinePhone as a workstation, restarting background services on a schedule, NixBSD ports Nix to FreeBSD, Fedora packaging COSMIC, postmarketOS to adopt systemd, Linux Mint replacing HexChat |
| • Issue 1060 (2024-03-04): AV Linux MX-23.1, bootstrapping a network connection, key OpenBSD features, Qubes certifies new hardware, LXQt and Plasma migrate to Qt 6 |
| • Issue 1059 (2024-02-26): Warp Terminal, navigating manual pages, malware found in the Snap store, Red Hat considering CPU requirement update, UBports organizes ongoing work |
| • Issue 1058 (2024-02-19): Drauger OS 7.6, how much disk space to allocate, System76 prepares to launch COSMIC desktop, UBports changes its version scheme, TrueNAS to offer faster deduplication |
| • Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
| • Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
| • Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
| • Issue 1054 (2024-01-22): Solus 4.5, comparing dd and cp when writing ISO files, openSUSE plans new major Leap version, XeroLinux shutting down, HardenedBSD changes its build schedule |
| • Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
| • Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
| • Issue 1051 (2024-01-01): Favourite distros of 2023, reloading shell settings, Asahi Linux releases Fedora remix, Gentoo offers binary packages, openSUSE provides full disk encryption |
| • Issue 1050 (2023-12-18): rlxos 2023.11, renaming files and opening terminal windows in specific directories, TrueNAS publishes ZFS fixes, Debian publishes delayed install media, Haiku polishes desktop experience |
| • Issue 1049 (2023-12-11): Lernstick 12, alternatives to WINE, openSUSE updates its branding, Mint unveils new features, Lubuntu team plans for 24.04 |
| • Issue 1048 (2023-12-04): openSUSE MicroOS, the transition from X11 to Wayland, Red Hat phasing out X11 packages, UBports making mobile development easier |
| • Issue 1047 (2023-11-27): GhostBSD 23.10.1, Why Linux uses swap when memory is free, Ubuntu Budgie may benefit from Wayland work in Xfce, early issues with FreeBSD 14.0 |
| • Issue 1046 (2023-11-20): Slackel 7.7 "Openbox", restricting CPU usage, Haiku improves font handling and software centre performance, Canonical launches MicroCloud |
| • Issue 1045 (2023-11-13): Fedora 39, how to trust software packages, ReactOS booting with UEFI, elementary OS plans to default to Wayland, Mir gaining ability to split work across video cards |
| • Issue 1044 (2023-11-06): Porteus 5.01, disabling IPv6, applications unique to a Linux distro, Linux merges bcachefs, OpenELA makes source packages available |
| • Issue 1043 (2023-10-30): Murena Two with privacy switches, where old files go when packages are updated, UBports on Volla phones, Mint testing Cinnamon on Wayland, Peppermint releases ARM build |
| • Issue 1042 (2023-10-23): Ubuntu Cinnamon compared with Linux Mint, extending battery life on Linux, Debian resumes /usr merge, Canonical publishes fixed install media |
| • Issue 1041 (2023-10-16): FydeOS 17.0, Dr.Parted 23.09, changing UIDs, Fedora partners with Slimbook, GNOME phasing out X11 sessions, Ubuntu revokes 23.10 install media |
| • Issue 1040 (2023-10-09): CROWZ 5.0, changing the location of default directories, Linux Mint updates its Edge edition, Murena crowdfunding new privacy phone, Debian publishes new install media |
| • Issue 1039 (2023-10-02): Zenwalk Current, finding the duration of media files, Peppermint OS tries out new edition, COSMIC gains new features, Canonical reports on security incident in Snap store |
| • Issue 1038 (2023-09-25): Mageia 9, trouble-shooting launchers, running desktop Linux in the cloud, New documentation for Nix, Linux phasing out ReiserFS, GNU celebrates 40 years |
| • Issue 1037 (2023-09-18): Bodhi Linux 7.0.0, finding specific distros and unified package managemnt, Zevenet replaced by two new forks, openSUSE introduces Slowroll branch, Fedora considering dropping Plasma X11 session |
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