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1 • OB Revenge (by gekxxx on 2017-02-27 00:51:30 GMT from Belgium)
Honestly OB Revenge is the best distro I ever used. Fast, clean, simple,stable. Support for my Samsunf CLX3180 through AUR. No isues with the clock. Did not use the Panel Switcher however. Openbox combined with xcfe4 rocks. REALLY happy with OB Revenge.
2 • Single Board Computers (by OldManRohr on 2017-02-27 01:51:51 GMT from United States)
7 RPi's 1 - Temperature/Humidity controller, 2 - web server, 3 - data backup, dns, ntp, dhcpd, etc 500G HD. 4 - work and testing 1T HD. Three others as backup, and/or retired.
3 • OB Revenge (by bigsky on 2017-02-27 01:55:44 GMT from Canada)
@ 1. The best distro I ever used. Your kidding right oh please. Thanks
4 • Tiddlers (by Bob on 2017-02-27 02:07:57 GMT from New Zealand)
If the option had been there, I would have ticked the 'Intend to " box. A pal has two and is an enthusiastic promoter of the species.
5 • "menu bar for a week" (by Greg Zeng on 2017-02-27 02:50:31 GMT from Australia)
" ... We are going to run with the new menu bar for a week and then, next Monday, let people vote on whether they find it useful or if it is just unwanted clutter."
Excellent. Should have been done years ago. Discovered DistroWatch valuables that were long hidden from us.
On the MENU-BAR, could you make the MENU-HEADINGS into BOLD-CAPS please? This would give us more eye-candy, to guess that a CLICK on the TITLE would expose other click-bait items. Peaceful, relaxed browsers love click-bait and eye-candy.
Your FAQ could include how to switch-off Scripts & Java-Scipts if readers seem bothered. I would suggest that they use a web-browser insensitive to these scripts. If they use a high-powered browser (based on Chromium or Firefox), then there are several add-ons to control these scripts, per page, or per web-site.
6 • menu bar (by bigsky on 2017-02-27 03:09:57 GMT from Canada)
@5 Jeeeeze Greg have a Fosters and relax a bit. Holy smokes it's only rock and roll and we like it. Merci
7 • SBC's (by Geek on 2017-02-27 03:21:10 GMT from United States)
1) Pandaboard
4) Pogoplugs
The Panda was purchased years ago. Wanted to see if an Arch Linux with XFCE install would run on the then current smart phone hardware. Ran fine other than accelerated GPU drivers never materialized. Used the fbdev driver. Had the crazy idea of a dual boot Android / Linux X11 when plugged into monitor, smart phone. The lack of graphics drivers for Linux X11 continue to be an issue with ARM hardware.
The Pogo's were used as super inexpensive Linux install and hardware hacking projects. Learned a bunch and had fun at the same time. I use a v4 and v3 for NAS rcync backup storage and multimedia storage.
I'd be cool if ARM based hardware could standardize like X86 for at least the boot process, among many other areas. I don't see that ever happening though...
Would be nice to see widespread adoption and standardization of an open source hardware, non x68 processor. Something like OpenRISC or RISC-V based, replacing the current ARM SBC's.
Possibly better hardware documentation leading to better hardware driver support?
8 • SBC single board computers (by jon on 2017-02-27 03:34:49 GMT from United States)
although I don't own one, with an eye to the future I would be interested in reading DW reviews of distributions which support SBCs
9 • SBC (by bigsky on 2017-02-27 04:15:44 GMT from Canada)
@10 There are several but I'm holding back for USB 3 ? Why is it taking so long. I can only guess it's a heat issue.Thats my best guess.
10 • single board computers (by kevin on 2017-02-27 04:52:18 GMT from Canada)
i on mutliply raspberry pi's my neest pi3 is for retropie for gaming, the pi2 is for kodi and my pi model b is current out of commision still deciding what to do with that. i have experimented with multiple OSs on them as well
11 • Menu Bar (by Simon M. on 2017-02-27 06:42:49 GMT from South Africa)
Please do what you need to do. Its really great to get feedback from this community but there is a word of caution: I have hardly come accross as many Luddites as in the Linux community. There seems to be a fragment for which any change is the end of the world.
12 • Single Board Computers (by Hannes Worst on 2017-02-27 08:11:49 GMT from Netherlands)
I own a Raspberry Pi 1 for managing a weatherstation, an Orange Pi One as webserver and a Banana Pi M1 for desktop-purposes.
13 • Dumb browsers (by John on 2017-02-27 08:26:04 GMT from United States)
I am glad to see distrowatch supporting DUMB browsers.
I think a good question would be what is the dumbest, smallest useful browser?
I am viewing this and writing this using DIllo which recently seems to be getting MUCH too smart.
So I am using a DUMBER old version of Dillo !!
How many Gig does your PIG browser require?
How badly does it harass you with unwanted videos and other vomit?
Does anyone remember Dr. Dobbs - running light without overbyte :).
Does anyone care?
John
14 • Netflix (by G.B. on 2017-02-27 08:40:20 GMT from Austria)
There is Android for the Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 called RaspEX:
http://raspex.exton.se/
Perhaps this would be a solution to stream videos from Netflix ... has someone already tried?
15 • @14 (by G.B. on 2017-02-27 08:47:32 GMT from Austria)
Sorry its called RaspAnd. Here the latest build based on Nougat 7.1.1:
http://raspex.exton.se/?p=517
RaspEX is the Ubuntu-Version.
16 • OBR, RPi & RPi (by Sondar on 2017-02-27 08:48:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
Can we ever be more grateful to Jesse than for his contributions today?! His review of OBR has saved this distro junkie oodles of wasted time. Thanks Jesse - I'll never use it!
As for the Netfix-on-RPi, his how-to is priceless and a great contribution to maintaining freedom on this platform against those who would subjugate world+dog in pursuit of $$$.
Turning to this weeks POLL, can recommend the incredible little RPiZero for $5/£4/EU5, even for hobbyists not given to frequently burning fingers on soldering iron. No need to throw more $$$ at the expensive add-ons, get a $0.99 dc-dc converter from eBay and it'll drive a relay to switch all your sensor-based projects directly from the GPIO. Minimal cost, minimal knowledge, all info easily accessible from the InterWeb.
17 • OBrevenge (by FOSSilizing Dinosaur on 2017-02-27 08:51:11 GMT from United States)
So ... not much testing live?
Most live ISOs reveal the administrative password ...
18 • TrueOS (by Eddy on 2017-02-27 09:47:07 GMT from United Kingdom)
I don't like the policy of the guys that manage their site, I posted some comments about the fake claims of their devs that the recent versions support radeon gfx , and they deleted them, I would avoid this
19 • @6 • menu bar (by KangarooCourt on 2017-02-27 10:23:57 GMT from Australia)
*sigh* No-one drinks Fosters in Australia...
Jesse PLEASE add this to your Myths and Misunderstandings section next week i.e. Aussies don't drink Fosters!
But the second part was spot-on... smokes... we sure do. It assists with relaxing...
20 • single board computers (by Steve Dietz on 2017-02-27 11:36:40 GMT from United States)
I use my pi zero to run kodi, and the other pi's to experiment with (to use as a cheap desktop or with a tiny screen from adafruit).
21 • Single Board computers (by excollier on 2017-02-27 12:20:17 GMT from Ireland)
I have owned a RaspberryPi since 2013. I use it as a torrent box, in that I use it to download and seed Linux and BSD OS torrents, and I rarely shut it down. It just sits there on my lan and connected to the internet slowly sharing goodness (lol)
22 • Openbox is great (by far2fish on 2017-02-27 12:26:22 GMT from Europe)
And so is many panels and menus (lxpanel, xfce4-panel tint2, plank and so on).
But it seems a bit excessive to me provide whole distros just to give out some eye candy or lightweight features. I think the effort could be better spent if the developers of these niche distros rather made their panel configs public available and easy to install or well documented for those without prior knowledge for a given panel.
23 • Reproducable builds (by Will senn on 2017-02-27 14:09:57 GMT from United States)
What, in a technical sense, is meant by reproducable build? Does it mean the user can rebuild the os or the distro folks can or what?
Thx!
24 • RE: Single board computers (by AndyMender on 2017-02-27 14:50:45 GMT from Austria)
Does anything with a processor count as a single board computer? I have an Arduino Leonardo with a couple of shields I haven't put to any use just yet. Would fancy some electronics projects soonish :).
25 • How I use Raspberry PI SBC (by tinkerer09 on 2017-02-27 14:53:04 GMT from United States)
I have an owncloud server, web development server (Laravel), local git version control server, retropi (4 kids), Kodi media server. A mix of B+, Pi 2 and Pi 3 boards many on 24/7 for months at a time. Great, well documented/supported platform to learn on.
26 • Dumb Browsers & NEW LINUX DISTROS (by Manolo on 2017-02-27 14:53:39 GMT from Spain)
@13 Agree with you. I use to use dillo for pir4t3 torrent webs to avoid adds. But, for other webs I also browse with firefox or chrome.
On my laptop I have 3 distros: Mint, Arch & Slack because all of them have minor bugs on different aspects.
Instead of split more and more new linux (and bsd) distros, why not merge and joint movement to create a more perfect Linux distro.
HOW MANY THOUSANDS LINUX DISTROS WILL BE NECESSARY TO CREATE A LINUX FREE BUGS? (at least at same level to win or apple)
27 • @26: Manolo (by dragonmouth on 2017-02-27 15:10:05 GMT from United States)
I agree with you. But don't waste your breath. You might as well be talking to a wall. The Linux community celebrates choice, the more, the better. Besides, every budding developer wants his 15 minutes of fame. So instead of contributing and improving an existing project, they slap some modules together and 'create' a new distro.
28 • Single Board Computers (by Glen on 2017-02-27 15:12:51 GMT from United States)
3 rPi's one as NAS and 2 running openAPS. 2 Intel Edison's; one on an Intel mini breakout board, and one on Explorer board, both running openAPS. openAPS is a project that type 1 diabetics develop and use to close loop control an insulin pump.
29 • OBRevenge (by Chris on 2017-02-27 15:13:34 GMT from United States)
OBRevenge is a decent project, and they seem to be trying very hard. I agree that they don't seem to have found a footing as far as what they're trying to do. Obviously, with a graphical installer and easy driver installation, they're trying to be easier for people newer to Linux to use than Arch, but at the same time it is pretty bare bones out of the box. But, I actually like a bare bones OS, so that doesn't bother me. I presently have it on my desktop, though I'm not running it at the moment. I have it on a dual boot with Peppermint, which is what I run daily. Still, I like to run OBRevenge, it's just not quite at the level where I'd consider it a full time distro. But, I like what they're doing and the team seems pretty cool, from what I can tell. It's still in very early stages of development, so I'm looking forward to seeing where they take it.
30 • "a more perfect Linux distro" @26 (by a on 2017-02-27 15:48:45 GMT from France)
The whole point of free software is to let everybody do what they want. Not everybody wants the same thing. A perfect Linux distro can only be perfect for one person.
31 • @ 30 (by Corentin on 2017-02-27 16:30:16 GMT from France)
'perfect' is maybe excessive but the idea is good. The Linux fragmentation is just one of its problems...
32 • RE: Reproducible builds (by Andre on 2017-02-27 16:40:37 GMT from Canada)
@23 There are all sorts of reasons why two machines compiling identical source code might produce binaries that actually differ when compared bit for bit. A reproducible build is one that doesn't differ in its final result. This is important for security reasons, among other things. Basically, it's about having a verifiable path from source code to machine code.
33 • RE: Single board computers (by Fatmac on 2017-02-27 19:35:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
I just bought into the Raspberry Pi phenomina, now that it has 1GB of ram & wifi on the Pi3, I decided to try it out as a desktop substitute.
I mainly use my computers for internet, email, music, & watching videos. Happy to say the Pi3 can cope with these tasks.
34 • @26 Manolo, please read it (by Distrohopper on 2017-02-27 20:07:42 GMT from Brazil)
Well, Manolo Garcia, I understand your point of view. Since the very first day I joined the UNIX community, my main concern was testing as many distros I could install in a "sparring PC" just to find out that ALL OF THEM SUCK in some aspect. And look at the European Union to realize why the Linux world NEEDS diversity: Immigration problems in the old continent (especially in Sweden and France) led the British people to realize they would face a social and economic catastrophe. So they decided to vote for Brexit... (In geeky slang: They "forked" U.K. from E.U., just like Devuan forked from Debian.)
Yes, diversity rules! I love it. How desperately sad would be the UNIX world if we had only one Linux and only one BSD. During the World War II, this was the situation in Germany: "EIN Volk, EIN Reich, EIN Fuehrer." Presently, fanatical Muslims are trying to impose their stupid philosophy and religion to each and every European, Christian or not. No choice is given, other than convert to Islam and follow the Shariah Law.
Now you understand why an overwhelming distro diversity is so wonderful? YOU HAVE CHOICE. If you hate Ubuntu (like me :), then you can try Debian. If Mandriva doesn't make you happy, then PCLinuxOS may put a smile in your face. But what seems to be a fantastic distro for thousands of users around the world not necessarily fits your requirements. Just take the time to judge for yourself, no matter how many people try to influence your judgement.
After YEARS of hard work, my final conclusion was: If you want a decent Linux desktop system, by all means stick to a Debian STABLE based distro. Forget those HORRIBLY BUGGY variants of Fedora/Ubuntu/openSUSE and even Arch. Slackware based distros are fine, but only if you don't use the CURRENT version, which is also buggy (like any other cutting-edge system).
As for the choice of a "dumb" browser, Dillo is certainly your best bet: Fast as hell, absolutely stable, standards compliant... By the way, do you build it with a PATCH to provide HTTPS compatibility? As far as I know, Dillo defaults to HTTP only. Correct me if I am wrong.
P.S.
Have you ever tried MX Linux? Or SolydX? In my opinion, either of them is a logical replacement for both Mint/LMDE and PCLinuxOS.
35 • Cubietruck for squid (by Kingneutron on 2017-02-27 20:13:33 GMT from United States)
I've been using a Cubietruck for a Squid proxy server for the past several years. Works well, especially when plugged into a UPS.
36 • RE: #26 - Disjointed thoughts in opposition to one way (by x on 2017-02-27 20:18:45 GMT from United States)
Why not have one automobile manufacturer that only produces one vehicle? How about only one political party or only one family rule a country. One electronics manufacturer and one software company.
Having only one way to do things is efficient, all training would be exactly the same. Development would slow to a crawl. New ideas would be rejected because we do not do things contrary to the current ones.
Distributions are created to accommodate the needs of the developers and are then shared with others that may find that version useful.
'Bugs' - Most programming languages were not developed with security in mind. C was developed by computer scientists for computer scientists. Most programmers are NOT computer scientists. Computer scientists make mistakes programmers make more. Much of the software today is focused on new features and errors are addressed long after it is released for general use. It appears to me that few want continuously review code thoroughly searching for potential errors and take corrective measures that eliminate errors. Many times one correction creates a number of issues in other areas.
So I have to ask of the OS's ever released, how many are focused on 'bug' free code. The non-core software situation is even worse. I encourage new development, but would like to see more focus on correcting what already exists, so forking a project just to make corrections would not be necessary.
37 • Whoa ToaruOS (by RoestVrijStaal on 2017-02-27 20:51:09 GMT from Netherlands)
Thanks to drag ToaruOS in the spotlight at the 700th issue.
It's interesting that some people still wriite their own kernel and carry themselves by their hobby away so it becomes a working operating system.
38 • Small computers (by Jordan on 2017-02-27 21:21:18 GMT from United States)
Really small. Gizmo 2 came my way for my birthday early this year. Having fun with it at odd times but see little use for it as a go-to machine. Just a gadget.
39 • streaming content on rpi (by Diggi on 2017-02-27 22:24:45 GMT from Germany)
@ Jessie: did you try void? they have libdrm for aarch64 (rpi3) and other arm
40 • @34 (by Corentin on 2017-02-27 23:33:54 GMT from France)
I don't buy this. It's just bullshit.
Maybe not "only one Linux and only one BSD" but for example, at least some unity, compatibility between the distros, packages, desktops, less bugs, etc.
41 • Swap (by Pat Menendez on 2017-02-27 23:34:19 GMT from Canada)
I think that every article I've seen regarding the use of swap space is using a computer with 2 gig of RAM. How many people only have 2 gig of RAM? I'd like to see an article dealing with whether or not swap space was needed on real world home computers today with 16 or 32 gig of RAM that even running for days on end doing graphics editing and spread sheets never use more than 8 gig of it's RAM. I have never seen my swap files used on any of my computers! I have seen NO negative consequence of not having a swap file on the computers I tried it on. Yes, absolutely, the swap file had it's day in the sun but the reasons for it's existence I think have largely gone they way of the 32 bit single core CPU and 2 gig RAM, the digital dinosaur. So, what is the cut off point where having a swap file is unnecessary? What could be the reasons for keeping it with 16 or 32 gig of RAM in a home computer? Would having a swap file be more useful for a home file server? Or, if you never have less than 16 gig of RAM are you just as well off without it? I remember reading an article on optimizing or speeding up Linux. They talked about adjusting the "swapiness" to reduce the use of the swap file to increase system performance. To me that indicates that if you have sufficient RAM eliminating the swap file altogether could well result in a more responsive system.
42 • 40 (by x on 2017-02-27 23:55:34 GMT from United States)
It is called standards. Maybe you should examine some of the less than perfect code out there, you might understand. Just because it is open source does not mean that it is correct code, it just has the potential to be corrected. Openssl is a prime example of error prone code not being corrected. Several people noticed problems and offered corrected code. The requests were ignored. One solution was to fork the project and rewrite the code.
If you feel that one distribution is not good for you to use as is, feel free to customize and modify to fit your needs so only one is necessary. The primary open source licenses allow anyone to do this. Or maybe you should just use MS or Apple software and accept what they give you.
Constructive criticism is useful, general complaining is a waste of everyone's time. Get involved.
43 • My SBCs (by Tuxedoar on 2017-02-28 00:19:04 GMT from Argentina)
Hi,
I have two Raspberry Pi I (model B) and a single Raspberry Pi II. I don't have a single and fixed porpouse for each of those, yet!. I`ve been experimenting with different things, mostly, with pieces of electronics. In particular, I have been playing around with LEDs, a temperature sensor and a relay module. In addition, I`ve built a web site using the Python Bottle microframework to display data collected by the temperature sensor and also to control some LEDs.
On the other hand, I`ve a NodeMCU which, I guess, can't be considered an SBC. Rather, a microcontroller. I have built a robot with it and a web page to control it!.
Cheers!.
44 • mini pc (by antiphibian on 2017-02-28 01:37:34 GMT from Australia)
I use a zotac nano pc + portable monitor + usb hub. it's a jungle of cords, but a great power-saving combo for typing.
@6, @19: surely a croke is better than a fosters!
45 • 41 • Swap (on Linux). FAQ needed. (by Greg Zeng on 2017-02-28 01:46:29 GMT from Australia)
Mostly myths exist here, based on old hardware & software technologies, which were slow & very expensive. Most good operating systems offer real-time swap-monitoring systems. 3rd-party ones are far better than "originals". In Linux, I use GKREL, which then has a desktop monitor on all your "windows". With 16 GB of DDR3 memory, I have never needed swap memory with Linux.
Good Linux operating systems detect if your hardware already has a partition in the system that is devoted to Linux Swap. They all detect I have such a partition (4 GB) on my onboard SSD. Bad operating systems use the user-memory, booting medium (slow flash-drive?) rotating-storage, or operating-system partition. Bad operating systems (e.g. Windows) need swap memory becaue of poor design, even if there is lots of unused main memory.
Swap memory has been greatly discussed in Linux, especially easily seen in the many YouTube recordings of the annual Linux Conventions. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqeKeRXssKqbK4XHqLYrctQ LinuxFest Northwest
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDMo9DyACXG62ak5cVgs3TA
linux.conf.au 2017 – Hobart, Tasmania
https://www.youtube.com/user/linuxconfau2015
Linux.conf.au 2015 -- Auckland, New Zealand
46 • @45 SBC, IoT, "perfect" Linux, rudeness, BSD, ... (by Greg Zeng on 2017-02-28 01:59:16 GMT from Australia)
All these above topics have been well debated, internetted, and PUT-TO-REST, every year at the annual Linux face-to-face conventions.
If you are living in a hospice (like myself), then the only way I can "attend" these is to watch (or listen) to the above YouTubes in @45. Look especially at the forums that featuring: Linus Torvalds (founder of Linux) & Bryan Lunduke. E.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu0l-Ac7fTU "Windows is AWESOME!"
47 • Single Board Computers (by S Savage on 2017-02-28 02:12:16 GMT from Canada)
Do most Android TV boxes count, or is that a different animal?
48 • SBC and more (by mikef90000 on 2017-02-28 02:34:32 GMT from United States)
Besides my RpI3, there are other inexpensive computers that are useful for experimentation and specific tasks. My $50US, MIPS based Edgerouter X runs a Debian fork, has plenty of RAM, flash and can run other packages if properly chosen. I've also been tinkering with a $25 GLI AR-150, another small MIPS based router running OpenWRT out of the box.
49 • SBC (by argent on 2017-02-28 03:15:51 GMT from United States)
Glad this topic came up, have friends and work associates that discuss this small wonder often enough that I think it's time to dive in and experience SBC.
Thanks for all have commented on this topic, time for a new toy!
Thanks
50 • Swap Space (by cykodrone on 2017-02-28 14:32:31 GMT from Canada)
Every time I build a new machine, everything doubles, including the memory, I currently have 16GB, that being said, I haven't really needed swap space in almost 10 years. If I remember to and get around to it, I tweak swap usage to its absolute minimum. Shutting it completely off could be a mistake, especially for power users, would you install a sink without an overflow?
51 • Deepin (by Ari Torres on 2017-02-28 15:10:00 GMT from United States)
Slowest download speed ever,how can we try it if we can't even download it? any torrents for the latest ver? thanks.
52 • Swap (by Corentin on 2017-02-28 20:02:00 GMT from France)
Swap is necessary in all OS. suspend-to-disk (hibernation) uses the swap partition...
The design of the Operating Systems is stupid and it requires swap. This is also valid for Windows.
53 • Chromium RAM hog (by jAKEOV on 2017-02-28 23:03:28 GMT from Canada)
I never had a problem with my Debian/Xfce notebook using swap until within the last year. My system has 4GB RAM and equal size swap space. I use the Chromium browser and now I regularly see up to 10% swap usage. Chromium really is a memory hog. I've tried Firefox but I find it just doesn't compare in speed to Chromium. My solution will be to double the RAM to 8GB.
54 • Swap space and SBCs (by sherman jerrold on 2017-02-28 23:26:42 GMT from United States)
Dear Distrowatch,
Thanks again for all the great info. The amount of O/S info and number of opinions seems to double every week. Despite all the less than kind remarks, you guys do a great job of keeping us informed. Diversity in O/S is not a problem, it allows for individual choice and creativity. I've used a number of distro's without having bug problems or crashes. RE: Swap Space, I'm using a Dell Dim2400 sgl Intel P4 2.4GHz with only 768MB RAM and Kubuntu 14.04 and firefox 51 (which keeps getting slower with each update), so swap space is critical. In the past year, I've re-built ~12 PCs for people using Puppy and this level of hardware. RE: SBCs, I'd like to experiment with one, but I keep finding old laptops that are cheaper and almost as capable to play with.
55 • @52 (the mythical Swap space) (by Distrohopper on 2017-03-01 13:14:40 GMT from Brazil)
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"Swap is necessary in all OS. The design of the Operating Systems is stupid and it requires swap."
Wrong! Almost no operating system "requires" a swap space, just because it is OPTIONAL. Even laptops don't need it if they have plenty of RAM and "suspend-to-disk" is not a requirement for a particular user. I never use swap space in anyone of my three computers, including a laptop. The only one of them which got a physical swap partition (located in the second HDD) keeps it DISABLED from the bootup time. Also, for SECURITY reasons, computer users should avoid swap space like the plague when it isn't really, REALLY necessary.
"This is also valid for Windows."
Because Windows sucks. But even this obsolete OS can be set up to use a real swap PARTITION instead of its default swap FILE, what could eventually speed up that horrendous bloatware.
56 • SBCs (by nightflier on 2017-03-01 13:22:23 GMT from United States)
Home: rPi3 - Kodi. Adapteva Parallella-16 which I bought mainly to support the project - never got to take advantage of the 16 cores, but it's running an internal Apache server.
Office: An rPi playing infotainment on TV in lobby, and a Cubieboard serving a custom web app.
57 • Amount of RAM memory and Swap files (by Ted H in Minnesota on 2017-03-01 15:12:47 GMT from United States)
@41 wrote: "How many people only have 2 gig of RAM?"
Well, I have 9 notebook computers and only two of them have more than 2 GB of RAM! (Both have only 4 GB of RAM.) While you are undoubtedly right that for those who have lots of RAM memory, a swap file is unneeded, but just because you and others have lots of memory, doesn't mean that swap files are not needed, because lots of the rest of us run with lesser minimal amounts of RAM! Not everyone is "state of the art" - or likely to be anytime soon!
58 • Swap (by curious on 2017-03-01 15:46:33 GMT from Germany)
So, to summarize:
- people who can afford new computers with lots of RAM and who don't care about saving power by using suspend mode do not need swap.
- everyone else needs a swap area at least the size of the computers RAM.
59 • Chromium Widevine Plugins (by Glenn Condrey on 2017-03-01 16:22:36 GMT from United States)
I installed two Chrome WIdevine plugins into Slimjet, which is based on Chromium's browser, and got Netflix playing in Trisquel Linux.
Maybe you could use the same two Widevine plugins in Chromium under the Pi?
60 • Swap (by Jay on 2017-03-01 18:20:10 GMT from United States)
I haven't used swap since turning it off in XP. I used to show people at work how to turn off swap on their machines for the performance boost.
Swap was needed when I had only 256MB in my machine (AV is a hog). Once I got somewhere between 512MB-1024MB, I could switch it off. When I was almost at 1.5GB, I could run VMs without worrying about swap (XP in 512MB, Puppy, etc., in 256MB or less).
These days I have 32GB RAM because I want to have very large RAM disks. I don't think my PC ever goes above 1GB during normal usage (no VMs).
61 • Netflix on Linux (you can use Firefox too) (by M.Z. on 2017-03-01 21:18:00 GMT from United States)
@59/Netflix viewers
I actually can get Netflix working in a nearly default Firefox in PCLinuxOS. In truth it should work in the current (non LTS) version of Firefox just by going to Preferences > Content and checking the 'Play DRM content' box. Unfortunately Netflix throws up some useless message about supported browsers; however, if you use a user agent switch add-on to tell Netflix that Firefox is Chrome everything plays fine. I really wish that they would allow content to just play in Firefox on Linux, but perhaps I should complain more.
At any rate I think the real problem described in DW is related to using the plugins on ARM processors rather than being a problems with the Widevine Plugins themselves. Those are now included in Firefox & as I mentioned they seem to work fine there as well so long as Firefox on Linux isn't being excluded by default.
62 • SBC (by zykoda on 2017-03-01 23:31:00 GMT from United Kingdom)
2 Pink pogoplugs running wheezy as nameservers and general USB backup (ssh) Also run C, Fortran and python on them. Arduino for small scale solar panel pointing using LDR sensed control of stepper motors..and other projects. Linksys wrt54g(s) versions 4,5,6 as wireless access points (dd-wrt mini and micro firmware 2.4 kernels). All fun in retirement!!
63 • Has Lubuntu/Ubuntu run out of Wine? (by Basil Fernie on 2017-03-02 07:22:01 GMT from South Africa)
Just installed Lubuntu16.04.2, more or less by reflex. Now find that there is no Wine version running on 'buntu later than 14.04, aoocrding to Lubuntu site commentcs. This is particularly bad because qpdf fails to open some recent PDFs - and now I can't even run Adobe Reader on Wine. What's going on? Help!
64 • Swap (by swapless on 2017-03-02 15:39:51 GMT from United States)
My Archbang uses <100MB with openbox on a low-end netbook. Who needs swap? I don't understand who puts swap on an SSD. Anyone remember Vista had a feature to use a thumb drive as swap? It killed drives fast! Cut all the memory hogging, processor eating eye candy! Linux desktops can be fully functional without swap even with modern browsers and low RAM!
65 • systemd, Distrowatche searches, etc (by Greg Zeng on 2017-03-03 00:35:55 GMT from Australia)
The new menu bar showed me how to detect that only ONE (1) distribution , Minimal linux Live, does not have systemd (<1). The search function atm does not show which distrowatch.com have qbittorrent, nor snappy applications - yet.
Only ONE distrowatch.com atm has the very latest Linux kernel (4.10.1): Slackware linux. Easy upgrading is available on many distros, by inbuilt applications. Easy upgrading by 3rd party applications could be made possible by smart script creators,if they exist.
Another Distrowatch.com feature is the distrowatch.com comparison. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=compare-packages
66 • Fedora 25 slow & sloppy? (by Greg Zeng on 2017-03-03 00:49:56 GMT from Australia)
Many reviews show & explain Fedora 25 behaviors. Slow start & stop times. Poor driver supports, etc. http://www.hecticgeek.com/2016/12/fedora-25-review/#comment-715501
Distrowatch.com explains why Korora 25 (one of the children of Fedora) betters it's parent and grandparent (RedHat). http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?firstlist=fedora&secondlist=korora...
Only 224 packages are tracked by Distrowatch.com atm. It's partly obvious how conservative and guarded the parental generations are. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?secondlist=korora&secondversions=0...
Every sensible review of Linux distributions should now be using this Distrowatch.com ability. However it needs upgrading to cover Wayland, Mir, non-free codecs, unetbootin, gtk, gparted, etc. Surprisingly it includes qt.
67 • @65 Only "Minimal linux Live" refuses SYSTEMD? (by Greg Zeng on 2017-03-03 06:04:06 GMT from Australia)
Http://distrowatch.com/search.php?pkg=systemd&relation=less&pkgver=1&distrorange=InAny#pkgsearch is
is the url for the above "evidence". It seems.
68 • @66 - Fedora 25 review (by Hoos on 2017-03-03 07:30:57 GMT from Singapore)
Didn't seem too bad a review except for the boot and shutdown times being a little slower than the other 2 distros it was compared to. Is that small time difference really a showstopper?
And I'm not sure the DW link you gave actually "explains" anything about why Korora 25 "betters" its parent. If you are referring to the availability of non-free codecs and other packages OOTB, it must be noted that Redhat is probably constrained by US IP rules being a "proper" corporation operating under US law, while Korora is Australia-based, not created by any corporation, and not subject to the same laws.
It's not to say I don't appreciate Korora - which I'm using - but it couldn't have existed without its parent.
69 • @66 and 68 (cont.) (by Hoos on 2017-03-03 07:42:35 GMT from Singapore)
Also, do you know if Korora 25 boots up and shuts down faster than Fedora?
70 • @67 strange way of searching (by curious on 2017-03-03 12:13:10 GMT from Germany)
You searched for distros *having* systemd version less than 1 in any release.
The more correct search for systemd >= version 1 "Not in latest release" gives a long list of distros (starting with PCLinuxOS), although I haven't checked whether the results are all correct.
71 • re: "systemd: Not in latest release" search results (by kriv on 2017-03-03 16:40:50 GMT from United States)
@70 I would point out the following caveats regarding the current "systemd: Not in latest release" search results:
Univention Corporate Server (134) --- has a long development cycle, and: their "current stable" is perhaps to old/stale to be attractive, and the forthcoming release will (does) ship systemd init.
SymphonyOS (214) --- Feb 2015 beta (stalled?) --- forum link is dead-end. This stalled (inactive) distro lands in search results perhaps misleadingly (due to its age).
Finnix (224) --- June 2015 --- no mailinglist activity --- This stalled (inactive) distro lands in search results perhaps misleadingly (due to its age).
VortexBox (235) 2015 (Fedora-based) --- This distro lands in search results perhaps misleadingly (due to its age).
Grml (261) Nov 2014 --- mailinglist & github reflect intent to ship systemd (if/when the distro devs manage to produce a future release)
Overclockix (276) June 2015 --- This stalled (inactive) distro lands in search results perhaps misleadingly (due to its age).
SME Server (Fedora-based) Dec 2015 --- This distro lands in search results perhaps misleadingly (due to its age).
Also, bear in mind that the DW search results are not comprehensive ~~ obviously, only distros which are "recognized" (recognized by DW) appear in the search results. A more extensive list is maintained at without-systemd.org
72 • non-systemd (by Jesse on 2017-03-03 16:43:57 GMT from Canada)
If you really want to find distributions without systemd, don't type in the search manually, just click the link at the top of the Search page which says "do not use systemd". You will get about three pages of results for projects which do not include it in their latest release. Or use this link:
https://distrowatch.com/search.php?pkg=systemd&distrorange=NotInLatest#pkgsearch
73 • SBC (by Mike on 2017-03-03 17:08:31 GMT from United States)
Running https://pi-hole.net on a RPi3.
74 • @72 - without systemd (by Hoos on 2017-03-04 09:29:00 GMT from Singapore)
There is a detailed list here:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
75 • 74 • @72 - without systemd (by Greg Zeng on 2017-03-04 21:39:06 GMT from Australia)
Thank you for the different search methods. But why the differences in Distrowatch searches. Jesse claims: "distributions without systemd, don't type in the search manually" ?? My original "<1" seemed more logical; with one only live result. Also logical is ">1" - "not in some releases"; 274 or 222 "live" results.
Using the DW "automated" (?) method shows 93 "live" results. Using @74: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page gives:
(100+38+13) distributions, or about 151 results, since it includes some which are not Linux, and perhaps uncertain "live" status.
The historians would need more rigorous tools to check. Is systemd OK? Internal checking by many distro creators seems OK to me. So I'll just trust them. Systemd is the better way to go?
DW & other stats about published Linux distros will "always" be inaccurate. Many publications are just vanity, self-published & private. Many are beta-releases pretending to be final releases. Many "final releases" are such low quality that they should have been aborted at birth, despite the "pride" of the parents.
DW however still gives Linux shoppers our tool to window-shopping, before committing. It hasits essential distro comparison tool: distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=compare-packages
76 • list accuracy, as in, curation best effort (by kriv on 2017-03-05 02:03:35 GMT from United States)
Regarding "uncertain live status", you'll find a dozen or so distributions listed on the without-systemd.org "Discussion" page -- absent from "Main Page" due to their current status. Among those is Kwort, which DW still lists as "active", although the Kwort site has been unavailable for a while. They (Kwort) just this week, have renewed their website/hosting and AFAICT we will soon hear "Kwort v4.3.2" release announcement.
77 • @68 Korora (by Jordan on 2017-03-05 19:22:32 GMT from United States)
I think a lot more people use Korora than the DW PHR would indicate. It's not just Fedora with codecs, etc. It's quicker on shut down by far, and a bit faster on boot from cold. Not to mention its parent doesn't keep an eye on various media programs, etc. It's been my only distro on two machines for quite some time now. No reason to even consider anything else.
78 • @64 (by Corentin on 2017-03-05 21:48:33 GMT from France)
Absolutely not. If you believe this... good for you. :)
79 • @64 (by Corentin on 2017-03-05 21:54:47 GMT from France)
Sorry, I forgot to mention that I answered has your last sentence:
"Linux desktops can be fully functional without swap even with modern browsers and low RAM!"
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