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1 • Zorin OS 12 "Core" (by carc1n0gen on 2017-01-16 00:45:15 GMT from Canada)
IMO Zorin has only *just* become a pretty polished distro. But now that they switched to gnome they need to polish it all over again.
Usually I prefer gnome to kde/plasma, but I actually liked using Xorin when it was kde based
2 • #1 (by SlackCliMax on 2017-01-16 01:11:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Zorin has never been KDE based. LXDE or GNOME yes KDE NO. All the best.
3 • Torrent Client (by ConnieH on 2017-01-16 02:20:26 GMT from United States)
Uget is a feature rich torrent client as well as a download accelerator.It has a multitude of features and i have used Uget as my main downloader for a while now.
4 • ZorinOS 12 Review (by snowdust on 2017-01-16 02:38:52 GMT from Canada)
@Jesse : I have been using Zorin 12 since its release in early December-16. With regard to your comments re: browser/missing Flash, well I found a quick and simple solution - I installed Slimjet and .. voilà! Problem solved. Hope this helps other users interested in trying out Zorin.
5 • ZorinOS (by TC on 2017-01-16 02:45:56 GMT from United States)
Zorin has nice wallpapers, but otherwise I've generally thought their themes were/are ugly. And it's getting worse, since they seem to be taking the Windows approach by giving users less & less theming options. In the latest version, from what I could tell they've even removed the option for a Gnome2 look in the new app that replaced the Look Changer. Rapidly losing interest in this distro.
6 • Torrent Client Poll (by cykodrone on 2017-01-16 02:48:40 GMT from Canada)
I was a long time Transmission user but then I discovered qBittorrent, which has more settings and a search function (enable the search engine tab via the View menu). Searching via the client is easier than surfing ad, bot, and script infested torrent file download sites (I don't like being redirected to p0rn sites against my will).
7 • RISC-V in 2017 (by DMT on 2017-01-16 03:36:41 GMT from United States)
I'm most excited about the RISC-V hardware being developed in 2017 and all the software being ported to the architecture.
8 • Torrent Client Poll (by argent on 2017-01-16 04:13:50 GMT from United States)
Prefer Deluge because it is simple and just works. Renders well with GTK too! Only use a torrent client for torrents and not for anything else.
Transmission is something I used to use and very good torrent client. Have used many others and find Deluge simply the best for my needs.
9 • what about Google's Material Design project ?? (by Nemrut on 2017-01-16 05:29:13 GMT from Canada)
Hey Jesse i truly enjoyed reading your column (Exciting things coming in 2017) !
So so much so i decided to drop off a comment, which i, normally, barely do.
I hope in a few months you can write a sequel, or a followup .... and also add a few words for us about Google's Material Design project/ guidelines ....
You see, I'm a big fan of Slax -- while Slax was actively being updated until few yrs ago.
Over three years ago Slax's developer announced his exciting plan to code the next version of Slax based on/ according to Material Design project/ guidelines ..... However, in a recent post, the Slax's dev sounds unsure about his grand plan ......
For more details; you are welcome to check out Slax's blog for November 24, 2014, February 5, 2014 and and afterward read December 10, 2016, the most recent entry, and even better; interview the Slax coder for us !
10 • bittorrent alternative (by rick on 2017-01-16 08:44:23 GMT from United States)
Our ISP seems to throttle my traffic when I use bittorrent clients, so I use amule (similar client app for windows is "emule") and p2p share via eDonkey/kademlia.
11 • Torrent client (by Gary on 2017-01-16 08:56:53 GMT from Finland)
aria2 on the command line is my favorite.
12 • Zorin Good But... (by on 2017-01-16 10:07:44 GMT from Portugal)
Since the old Zorin 3, i see Zorin falling. Problems behind problems. But it's the day of a non expert on linux problems resolution. I like Zorin but sometimes it stop, crash. The last y enjoy for long time was Zorin 9 that i've remasterd with remastersys. Since remastesys was banned for non experts i lost interest in ubuntu and derivateds.
Last three years i became first a Korora user and then Fedora user. That's the System i prefer.
It's Not out of the box but, with some web help, we get it working as we wish as possivel. I try Ubuntu, Mint, Sabayon once a year and sometines other distribution but nothing better at present than fedora. Always in the top of the wave. All in all i noted some regression in programs like Kolour Paint. But it happend in all the systems i've tried.
All in all thanks, to the developers and comunity linux. They do a great job presenting us with so many choices software for the masses.
Cheers.
13 • flash sucks (by boredguy234 on 2017-01-16 13:06:58 GMT from Spain)
Flash not installing on a distro should be considered a feature rather than a bug. You should really not need that junk anymore.
14 • Torrent client (by BrianG on 2017-01-16 13:08:37 GMT from United States)
Tixati is my favorite.
15 • Games on Linux (by a on 2017-01-16 13:57:24 GMT from France)
"In recent years we have seen a lot more games ported to Linux, partly thanks to GOG and Steam"
This is not false of course, but in my opinion it is HumbleBundle who started the new wave of Linux gaming in 2010 and they should be mentionned. Valve picked up the idea later but yes they certainly did a lot to convince many developers and publishers not to ignore Linux. GOG did little apart from a few bad DOSbox wraps and fewer good Wine wraps (and The Witcher 2).
16 • BitTorrent clients (by a on 2017-01-16 14:03:18 GMT from France)
I have installed Transmission with its Qt GUI (thanks to Gentoo I can choose not to use Gtk) which is a very good client, but rarely use it due to the very low upload bw offered by ADSL connections. Instead I use a web-based BitTorrent client on a server with high connection speeds.
17 • Search for a distribution (by Saleem Khan on 2017-01-16 15:38:06 GMT from Pakistan)
Hi, this is an un-related question to this week DW. But I am looking for a distribution I happened to notice here on Distrowatch couple of months back , it wasnt Arch Linux based but could simulate pacman and few other package managers as well. Did anyone know about this distro as well?
18 • Flash (by khanh on 2017-01-16 16:54:52 GMT from United States)
I also don't get the reviewer's obsession with Flash during his reviews. It's buggy and insecure and most websites are onto HTML5 anyway. I haven't installed Flash in a couple of years.
19 • #1 (by carc1n0gen on 2017-01-16 17:04:46 GMT from Canada)
What the heck did they do to version 12 then? It feels so odd compared to 11.
20 • Flash (by Dave Postles on 2017-01-16 17:43:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sadly can't watch any TV in the UK without Flash - and I watch Match of the Day (MoTD) on my desktop so as not to disturb my wife.
21 • Zorin OS + Google = not me (by any mouse on 2017-01-16 17:51:41 GMT from United States)
Jesse Smith forgot to mention its Google integration. From the Zorin OS blog: "Linking your Google account lets you do so much more in Zorin OS 12. You can now browse your Google Drive files from the File Browser and view your synced Google Photos in the Photos app. Simply open the “Online Accounts” panel from Settings to log into your Google account and you’re ready to go."
This was a logical extension of its move to Chromium from Firefox, but Zorin OS is now making it easier for Google to hoover personal data to make money on. I don't understand the motivations of people who left Microsoft for Linux, only to jump into another corporate nest. No, thanks.
22 • @17 (by snowdust on 2017-01-16 18:02:42 GMT from Canada)
KaOS is probably the distribution you are looking for. Excellent distro by the way. Good luck and enjoy!
23 • @20 - UK TV needing Flash (by Uncle Slacky on 2017-01-16 18:59:33 GMT from France)
I presume you're talking about the BBC iPlayer - it's possible to fool it into providing HTML5 instead of Flash by changing the user agent identifier in the browser (look for "user agent switcher" addons) to make it think you're using an iPad.
24 • KDE (by havenchaz on 2017-01-16 19:39:27 GMT from United States)
@1 If you want a fast, light KDE/Plasma experience, check out Maui.
It has become my favorite Distro, replacing Mint and Solus.
25 • Zorin and Google (by sherman jerrold on 2017-01-16 22:31:03 GMT from United States)
I've used earlier Zorin releases and they were good, not great. However, I won't use the new google infested release. I agree with 'any mouse', Linux, duckduckgo, bleachbit and the secure distros allow us to prevent our entire personal life being stolen by Google's obsessive tracking and acquisition of people's private info. I hear (on EFF?) Facebook is running every face visible in photos (innocent bystanders included) through their facial recognition software. The gov't is doing the same with everyone driver license photo. Soon there will be almost no privacy anywhere. We're not paranoid, they're really after us.
26 • @sherman jerrold (by any mouse on 2017-01-16 22:54:47 GMT from United States)
I'm not sure what the proper word is -- ironic, tragic, paradoxical, etc. - regarding "Facebook is running every face visible in photos," but I'll wager no science fiction writer ever imagined that Big Brother would arrive, neither by the government nor a charismatically evil person, but by a website/app that people embraced of their own free will.
And the flip side is that companies routinely run applicants through an Internet search and background check, which naturally includes Facebook, Twitter, Google, and the rest. If someone is not participating in social media, that person will not be hired. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
27 • Linux as an option! (by win2linconvert on 2017-01-17 01:04:45 GMT from United States)
I am looking forward to/hoping for more options for pcs, tablets, and phones, from the big names of the makers of these products. It would nice to at least see options for x86 based tablets from current Ubuntu/Linux pc vendors. It would also be nice to see the distributors of the largest, most widely used Linux distros join together in a coordinated effort to get the major computer, tablet, and phone makers to add one of the major distros as an option for their customers. And I mean an option on the same products as they offer Windows, Android, and iOS/MacOS. Not on their limited, outdated, second and third tier products that no-one really wants. Wishful thinking? Maybe, but that's what I'm looking forward to / hoping for in 2017.
win2linconvert
P.S. Anyone with suggestions on how to get Ubuntu onto a Latitude 10 st2, please email me.
28 • Time to reflect (by bigsky on 2017-01-17 03:12:37 GMT from Canada)
@25 You are right but it's time to reflect and figure out what to do about this situation. We are with you and always have been. This is not the time to give up. We will never surrender and neither will you. OK . Thanks
29 • @ Comment # 9 -- Google Good Material Design & Slax Linux (by Szulejmán on 2017-01-17 03:41:36 GMT from Canada)
Once upon a time i too was a highly excited fan of Slax ….
As a distro-hopper, I can fondly recall Slax as being (versatile, speedy, innovative, user-friendly, and cutting-edge) best distro I had ever used, despite it was (and still is) a small project run by a struggling one good man (Tomas Matejicek).
Really pity that Slax has to be dormant for such a long time.
I think the idea of interviewing Tom here on DW is great. Let’s give him all the publicity and support he needs in order to, hopefully, attract some generous donors and few good coders to revive this undeniably promising Linux project.
In the meantime, let’s, at least, give him some moral support by visiting his blog at slax.org/en/blog to drop a comment saying “hello”, or send him a postcard from your country or hometown as Tom loves to receive postcards from linux fans everywhere.
30 • Flash / GStreamer Plugins / Zorin OS (by Winchester on 2017-01-17 05:44:58 GMT from United States)
Almost everything works in Solus Linux without installing flash. YouTube , ESPN.com videos etc. . Videos where they say that you need flash under other operating systems work without it under Solus. I think that the new GStreamer plugins are used instead.
The only thing that I could not get to work without flash on Solus was the PicMonkey online photo editor .... which makes sense because it can modify local files.
The most recent ROSA with KDE4 comes with the flash plug-in but,I think that I set it to "Never Allow to Run" under Firefox and,if I recall,correctly the same content works without it.
If you do need flash though,it's easy enough to install. Download the latest archive file from Adobe and copy the libflashplayer.so , manifest.json and maybe another file or two into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and - or into /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin.
For Chromium based browsers copy libpepflashplayer.so and maybe the other included files into /opt/chromium/PepperFlash ( /opt/slimjet/PepperFlash ) and into /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree depending on if you have that package in your repository.
Zorin OS 9 educational was a pretty good Ubuntu based beginner distribution. Being based on Ubuntu 14.04 , it should still be supported until some point in 2019. It was a themed Gnome based Ubuntu beginner distro if that's what people were / are looking for . 3d effects were automatic if it detected 3D capable hardware and it had some pretty decent themes and menus.
31 • Torrent client (by Linux Apocalypse on 2017-01-17 06:29:17 GMT from Ireland)
A happy qBitTorrent user for years, I have recently switched to Tixati.
32 • @20 - UK TV needing Flash (by sam on 2017-01-17 08:36:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
BBC iplayer has worked fine without flash for years. (however if you have flash installed it will use it.)
33 • RE: Zorin 12 Review (by Andy Mender on 2017-01-17 09:42:53 GMT from Austria)
I think we should stop considering Flash a key factor in deciding whether a distribution is good or not. It was never a secure technology and right now is being actively substituted with HTML5. We should not prompt website designers that we still need Flash :).
Also, Zorin is fighting against the tide a bit. When switching from Windows/OS X to GNU/Linux or *BSD, one should immediately change their attitude to "Linux is not Windows/OS X". It pays off in the long-run. WINE and PlayonLinux are just stop-gaps, not definite solutions. Any compat we have with Windows and OS X is to make Linux and BSD matter more in personal computing.
What I like about some distributions is that they can make a product that is equally or even more easier-friendly than Windows/OS X and yet not mimicking any of their features.
34 • 31 • Torrent client: TIXATI (with reservations) (by Greg Zeng on 2017-01-17 11:27:49 GMT from Australia)
Thanks to Dw & the above comment. Switching to Tixati instead of qBitTorrent was a skilled, tedious job. Worthwhile for experts only. Both are high-powered torrent tools, available interchanging easily, for all Linux & Windows distributions that the user-name is running, at the time, on any internet system.
Linux has only these two torrent engines designed for power users. Windows has a few more, but not as powerful. All operating systems have underpowered, stifled torrent download applications, the worst being the "default" one for each operating system. Only one operating system has qBitTorrent as the default torrent application.
No torrent searches are possible with Tixati, until you tediously select and load the "correct channels". Even then, it failed to find torrents for Zorin or PCLOS (any version). This compares with ease of ready-to-search-run status of qBitTorrent.
On qBitTorrent, Zorin 12 has five ready to use torrent seeds; PCLOS64-kde has only two seeds. If you dare use the PCLOS suggested torrent, it will be a very slow, one-seed for people in Australia. So I choose the local PCLOS server from the several available around the planet; very fast & quick.
This week's Distrowatch alerted me to: https://twitter.com/iluvpclinuxos
PCLOS used to be a slow, homely operating system, using old, old Linux kernels. Like the Ubuntu-based operating systems, they seem to try to be better than the Arch-based systems now, with Linux kernels, including the very latest (4.9.4).
No Linux operating system can yet match the Ubuntu-based (yet), for easily, quickly running ANY Linux kernel, from a multi-choice menu, from a wide selection of ready-to-run installed kernels. Including the many alpha & beta Linux kernels, past, present or future.
On the reserved comments here of the freeware version of Zorin, I agree that it is not for advanced users, who need customization and flexibility..
35 • @ Jessie (by Jake on 2017-01-17 11:30:04 GMT from United States)
"I like what Zorin is trying to do - making Linux more accessible for people transitioning from Windows."
Actually, this argument doesn't hold water any more as the last Zorin-looking Windows, e.g, Windows 7 support ended on January, 2015. So, there doesn't appear to be any Linux base distro looking like Windows 10 for the "people" to make a transition from Windows.
Maybe, when Gnome would make its icons into live tiles, it might look like Windows.
36 • Zorin (by Jymm on 2017-01-17 12:00:33 GMT from United States)
I agree with TC. I started with Zorin 5 and then ran Zorin 6 LTS which ends support soon. I switched to Ubuntu Mate. Zorin has become a huge disappointment in my opinion. Linux hidden and locked down is not Linux. The new themes are ugly and hard on the eyes. Yes there are work a rounds, but with Ubuntu Mate there is no need. Love the Mate desktop which can be easily made to look like Windows or Classic Gnome.
37 • Zorin (by Jordan on 2017-01-17 13:43:45 GMT from United States)
Well, no matter the joy or angst at what they're doing with that distro, it is remaining high on the PHR list, and moving up now that it's been featured in a review.
It's always been popular. My efforts with it were pretty positive. I just wanted to be more into Linux with little reminder of Windows. Which begs the question; is Zorin meant to be a starter distro to get Windows users to wet their beak, then move on to something less Windows-like? That's not what happened to me, as I was into Linux long before Zorin came along.
38 • What I'd like to see in 2017 - Persistence (by Ted H in minnesota on 2017-01-17 15:54:43 GMT from United States)
Jesse, you mentioned what you would like to see in 2017. I would like to see more Linux OS's include the ability to create a persistent live USB to a USB stick, drive, even during when the OS is run live on a booted-up CD/DVD! If Point Linux people are reading this, I particularly would like Point Linux to do so!! Thank you so much!
39 • Zorin, MX16, Maui, and others. (by hotdiggettydog on 2017-01-17 18:20:15 GMT from Canada)
I follow distrowatch and the comments closely. Often I try out recommended/reviewed distros in VBox.
I have not tried out Zorin for a while. Older versions did not turn my crank. MX16 which was highly recommended last week failed to impress me. Mx-update was buggy. Had other issues too but the worst was starting up to NO internet connection. That was a fail.
I had high hopes for Maui but it was another fail. Little things but aggravating.
I'm getting cranky in my old age with little tolerance for hiccups.
These run ins with other distros make me love Peppermint more. Still the best light weight distro available.
40 • re. 32 & 20 (by Someguy on 2017-01-17 19:46:51 GMT from United Kingdom)
32 is wrong, 20 is correct. Requirement for Flash on BBC iPlayer has been deliberately holding back that option for years. So annoying to see that overlay to install Adobe Flash whenever I'm testing new distros.
41 • Torrent client (by Matheus Barreto on 2017-01-17 21:30:06 GMT from Brazil)
I am using Tixati,the best in my opinion.
42 • @35 (by Corentin on 2017-01-17 23:59:38 GMT from France)
> "Windows 7 support ended on January, 2015"
Not at all. The end of support for Windows 7 ends in three years, exactly january, 14 2020.
43 • @20_MOTD (by gee7 on 2017-01-18 01:56:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi Dave
I can't speak for ITV as I don't watch it, but re BBC iPlayer - & Match of the Day is available on iPlayer from midnight of the Sunday after it airs, to quote - you can watch MOTD2 using HTML5 rather than Flash by opting in to HTML5 at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5
It's just a pity that the BBC doesn't publicise this on their iPlayer site but then the BBC has always been slow to take up new technologies.
44 • @38@9@29 GoogleMaterialDesign,Slax & Papyros (by Szulejmán on 2017-01-18 12:05:44 GMT from Canada)
i want to second Comment # 38's suggestion as the persistent live USB feature is, indeed, very useful and should be built into distros as an option. Pity that currently only few distros give you this option. And Slax (http://www.slax.org/en/blog) is one of those distros. And, while still on the subject, i should mention that Slax has,unfortunately, been dormant since few years. Please see comment #29 for details Despite its being dormant; Slax still is a very promising linux project now that its developer is trying to release new Slax with Papyros desktop (http://papyros.io/) instead of the mammoth KDE. This is truly exciting because Papyros, the distro, is based on Google Material Design project which is uncluttered, extremely light, highly polished, very beautiful, concretely stable and cutting edged.
45 • Alpha considerations (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2017-01-18 18:44:37 GMT from United States)
Words like streamlined, light, simplified, and uncluttered carry favorable connotations. Minimal is more neutral, so is 'lean'. Semantics.
Other terms with favorable intent include "gets out of the way" and 'convergence' (consistency).
Of course, without provision for "advanced options", other adjectives may also be applied, like 'dumbed-down', hamstrung, puerile or 'just plain lazy'.
Good Design requires good implementation, of course. Otherwise the repetition of (classic) bad mistakes is likely.
46 • RE: slax & papyros, and "Alpha considerations" (by Dingo on 2017-01-19 01:37:32 GMT from Canada)
@44:
it's Papyros that is keeping Slax dormant. You see, Slax wants to port Google Material Design guided Papyros desktop to get rid of KDE and go forward. However, Slax cannot do so at this time because Papyros itself has been dormant and failed to release even an Alpha candidate so far.
I came to this conclusion by the info i just gathered on the stated distros' blogs. And that's a real pity because i, too, think a distro created by following Google Material Design standard(s) would do much better like it did for Google when it used Material Design standard(s) to create well-crafted and well-loved Android OS and numerous successful web apps and more.
@45:
What you stated is true. But, nevertheless, i think one should be allowed to be biased by "carrying favorable connotations" on informal forums like Distrowatch and Trumpwatch :)
Meanwhile hope you would forgive me in case i have committed the sinful "repetition of (classic) bad mistakes" :):)
47 • plasma 5 / kde5 working on a 32-bit distro ? (by RollMeAway on 2017-01-19 03:17:07 GMT from United States)
Does anyone have the subject line ?
I play with multiple distros CONSTANTLY, it is my hobby.
I have yet to find a 32-bit distro with a working, ( USABLE FOR DAILY WORK ) kde5.
Several work intermittently then, after an update, fails miserably.
Kubuntu 16.04 was perhaps the best I've experienced, but a recent upgrade left me with a black screen with a mouse cursor. Many functions were missing even before that.
All debian versions mix / match kde4x and kde5x apps, and the mix changes with each upgrade. I've quit even trying on debian.
Possibly it is developer neglect for the cast away 32-bit versions?
Guess it is about time I scratch kde5 from my list, as I did gnome3. Both appear to require a gamer computer with $600 graphics for all the animations, just to open an app. Even with all the animations turned off, many traditional functions fail or are missing.
Curious too, anyone happy with kde5 / plasma5 on a 64-bit system?
48 • Linux Options re @27 (by RO on 2017-01-19 05:28:23 GMT from United States)
Actually, you can put linux on a number of the current x86 tablet/2-in-1 PC' if they are 64-bit. These usually have 4GB, or more, RAM and 64GB, or more, disk space. I have Linux Mint 18.1 running fairly well on a Dell Venue Pro 11 (the one with a Core M processor, not the earlier i5 CPU, and 256 GB SSD upgrade from original 64GB). It sort of worked on Mint 17/Ubuntu 14.04/15.10, but the sound and touch screen were only partial. Ubuntu 16.04 as used by Mint 18 with some more recent kernel updates has greatly improved the sound and touch support. About the only thing still needed is screen rotation.
However, the cheaper tablets/2-in-1's that are Atom-based are sadly neglected by most Linux distros in that they ignore the weird 32-bit UEFI typical of this PC class, so even getting it to boot a distro is a big roadblock. Then if you do find a few distros such as recent Knoppix and Tails with the 32-bit UEFI (along with more "normal" 64-bit) support, they usually fall down with support for the graphics, touch, wifi, audio, and power management. A big disappointment for me at least.
There is a bit of consolation with a few more powerful Atom's with 2GB of RAM that can handle running a lightweight distro in a Virtual Box vm, but that is still not optimal.
49 • DOCKER category of Linux operating systems: MINIMALS. @45 (by Greg Zeng on 2017-01-19 09:28:14 GMT from Australia)
RancherOS. Last Update: 2017-01-19 04:30 UTC
now has a partner http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Docker Unknown still is its Linux heritage. Is it source-based, or secretly commercial? Even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RancherOS has great doubts about it.
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=rancheros seems not yet to know much, so I tried to find more. http://rancher.com/rancher-os/ https://forums.rancher.com/ https://forums.rancher.com/t/rancher-1-2-issues/5106/2
Google https://www.google.com.au/search?q=DOCKER&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=LINUX+DOCKER
pointed to:
https://www.inovex.de/blog/docker-a-comparison-of-minimalistic-operating-systems/ which chats about five (5) Linux operating systems, compared to the two mentioned in the above Distrowatch url above.
"Compared to traditional operating systems, there are some benefits when using such a Linux distribution." (< 251MB in "size" ?)
"@45 • Alpha considerations" comment above is about MINIMAL Linux operating systems. Remember the days when so many Linux systems claimed to be "MINIMAL"? They lacked speed, applications, easy upgrades, GUI, help, tutorials, feedback, & safety considerations.
50 • Kernel 4.8.17 EOL, & the anti-Linux fanboys (by Greg Zeng on 2017-01-19 10:25:41 GMT from Australia)
Kernel 4.8.17 EOL
Very important is "EOL". Already the FUD fanboys from Apple & Microsoft are writing that Linux is bad, unstable, because it is End Of Life, so extremely easily and frequently. (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). I had to correct these idiots already. Others: please do you bit now.
The Linux Foundation, and its employees (including Linus) will not be adding further updates to "Linux Kernel 4.8.17 EOL". Instead these updates will be done by profit-centered, commercial organizations; not the non-profit Linux Foundation. The top members of these commercial companies are contributors in very big ways (not just $$) to the Linux Foundation. The other role they serve is to supply updates to "Linux Kernel 4.8.17 EOL", but under their company name. Especially RedHat and Canonical. The Ubuntu community (not Canonical) itself MIGHT also have updates to "Linux Kernel 4.8.17 EOL", on their web-outlet: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.8.17/
Other "unsupported" Linux kernels are unsupported by the Linux Foundation, only. However, there are other groups, individuals and organizations who also update these other "unsupported" Linux kernels. Google is one of your friends in finding these updates. No need for anti-Linux Fanboys.
51 • Kernel 4.8.17 EOL, & the anti-Linux fanboys (by nolinuxguru on 2017-01-19 11:52:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
@50 Greg Zeng: where did you see this stuff? What does it mean?
52 • @50 EOL, etc. (by cykodrone on 2017-01-19 16:12:52 GMT from Canada)
Let them keep drinking the Kool-Aid, it's good the NSA knows their systems are vulnerable and need updates before they do, lol. ;D
51 is a troll.
53 • KDE 5 & Kernels (by M.Z. on 2017-01-19 17:37:56 GMT from United States)
@47 - KDE 5
I've been waiting for a good long while myself for a good KDE 5 Distro, but my first choice (Mint 18) has some sot of installer issues with my laptop regardless of whether I use KDE or XFCE desktops. I've also been waiting for Mageia 6 & a new meta package for KDE 5 in PCLinuxOS. It seems to be taking forever, but I prefer to wait until it's really ready for stable distros. My impressions is that there are a fair amount of minor issues, though I'm not sure if I'm just waiting for my preferred distros or there are still issues. Given what I've seen from Mageia since version 5 came out & got put on my laptop, I'd bet the long delayed version 6 would be a great bet for for a stable KDE focused distro. They certainly seem to be taking their time smoothing out the rough edges in various parts of their distro, & I'm hoping Mageia 6 + KDE 5 will be a great combo when it finally arrives.
Actually I'd say a great stable KDE 5 distro is my voted for anticipated tech from the Q&A section.
@51 - Kernels
There are a fair number of posts here that I don't totally get (as in what did you really mean & is that really relevant beyond being Linux related?); however, there is a kernel of truth in the situation described if you can forgive the pun. There are both long term & short term releases of the Linux Kernel & to my understanding short term releases tend to end up in places like Arch & other cutting edge distros, while LTS kernels go in things like Debian & Red Hat/CentOS. Those long term kernels can also be heavily patched by downstream projects who want to maintain a stable kernel for a longer term than LTS kernels are by default. The existence of short term versions of the kernel may be an opening for the dissemination of FUD as the other poster describes; however, I don't think there is any reason to worry about that here when most on DW would spot such an attack as FUD anyway.
54 • (Week)old news? (by Kragle on 2017-01-19 17:38:53 GMT from United States)
Perhaps on the Linux Foundation mailing list?
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1701.1/00356.html
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Likely what it means is you should have upgraded to the stable 4.9 series by now, unless you're locked into the 4.8 series or prefer paid support.
55 • Re Kernel Support (by M.Z. on 2017-01-19 18:01:48 GMT from United States)
Also relevant to the topic of kernels:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance
There is some info in the drop down boxes on the 3.x & 4.x kernels on that section of Wikipedia. I've apparently been hopping to the next short term kernel in PCLinuxOS for some time now, though they maintain some of the LTS kernels in the PCLOS repos as well. It's all a simple matter of picking your preferred track on Linux as kernel updates are fairly trivial on lots of distros from PCLOS & Debian. The difference is PCLOS lets you chose you path & gives you tools to go to another kernel if there is an issue, whereas with Debian you get the heavily patched LTS kernel with your regular updates. In PCLOS I had to switch to another kernel a couple of times over the years due to stability on my hardware. Going back to another kernel was only a handful of minutes I had to pay as a price for the cutting edge feeling of running a fairly fresh kernel.
Anyway kernel updates on Linux seem trivial to me on both the cutting edge & with LTS distros; however, I have heard some brain dead FUD from some Linux haters on other sites about how hard it was to update the kernel. Linux just goes for me & is very easy to fix when the cutting edge stuff doesn't go right.
56 • KDE Plasma 5 on 64bit system (by snowdust on 2017-01-19 18:10:54 GMT from Canada)
@47 & @53 : I have been running KaOS (KDE 5 + 64bit system) for almost a year on HP 4xIntel core i5 with Skylake chipset with no issue. This is a EFI + GPT partition table installation. For more on KaOS click this link https://kaosx.us/ Like you guys I did a lot of distro-hopping and finally found a home. Good luck!
57 • @52 (by nolinuxguru on 2017-01-19 22:06:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
@52 I was simply seeking references. Promlem?
58 • 50 • the anti-Linux fanboys (by Greg Zeng on 2017-01-20 01:20:33 GMT from Australia)
@57, @52, @51. "I was simply seeking references. Promlem?"
Yes, but not from me. Distrowatch might object to urls that point to non-Dw urls, especially sites competitive to Dw. YouTube is sort-of OK. But as the saying goes: Don't feed the trolls, including anonymous & crazy-pen-names.
Some of the Dw competitors include some YouTubers. Https://m.youtube.com/user/ChrisWereDigital https://m.youtube.com/user/quidsup
Nearly every Linux operating system has been reviewed also on YouTube. Including many that never appear on Dw, and many that exist only for the purpose of YouTube illustration. An example of the last is the purposely re-compiled version of the latest DE onto a system normally not available in that DE. Trolls, anti-Linux comments, crazy pen-names appear all over the internet, including in Dw & YouTube comments.
Some internet publishers, including YouTube, have sound, sensible reasons for loving or hating Linux. Haters of Linux are unfashionable, not-liked on Distrowatch, it seems. Open, reasoned & detailed discussion is however allowed and possible on other internet sites. If you want further information, use Google, etc.
59 • RE: Various stuff (by Andy Mender on 2017-01-20 09:01:33 GMT from Austria)
@53, @55,
I cannot comment on every project, but as far as I understand, the oldest kernel versions are present in Red Hat, CentOS and post-stable editions of Debian (old-stable) and OpenSUSE (Evergreen). Still, the Kernel Foundation hosts a huge list of kernels, even from the 3.2.x pedigree. Even Arch Linux does offer the latest LTS kernel as a linux-lts package for those of us who don't want the most bleeding-edge there is :).
@KDE,
I'm not a huge fan of either KDE or GNOME3, though I did find OpenMandriva Lx's KDE setup appealing. Same goes for KaOS and OpenSUSE. The latter especially offers an almost enterprise-grade KDE experience. Decent enough if one has a moderately powerful PC :).
60 • Trolls (by nolinuxguru on 2017-01-20 12:43:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
@58 Thanks for your detailed description of Trolls. However, I am at a loss to understand why "cykodrone" accused ME of being one, without explaining. Jesse is aware of my identity, and should have access to my ip address.
I was going to write about my wishes for the direction of Linux and Distros in 2017, but I will defer until whenever. Maybe the the Troll has won!
61 • lost here (by Tim Dowd on 2017-01-20 14:13:45 GMT from United States)
Hey all
I'm lost at the direction of this discussion. Can someone back up and explain why anyone would want to stay with a 4.8 kernel? Did some major drivers get changed or something? I've always felt that they're pretty clear that some kernels are LTS and others aren't, and I can't think of why someone would want to continue running one that isn't for a long time. I also don't see what's wrong about paying someone to do so if there's a real need for it!
@60 . I'd like to hear your thoughts on the future
62 • LTS - how L? (by Kragle on 2017-01-20 20:07:11 GMT from United States)
Some enterprises prefer to defer the workload of changing (and re-testing) dozens of installations. From that point of view, 2 years may not be very L (as in Long); there's a market for support services providing extended maintenance. Of course, there's always differing opinions about pricing. Sometimes the public also benefits from such maintenance.
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Does that help?
63 • trolls (by sydneyj on 2017-01-20 21:33:11 GMT from United States)
@60 nolinuxguru I've enjoyed your informed comments for a while now, and you're the last DW poster I would describe as a troll. Cykodrone, on the other hand...
64 • thanks (by Tim Dowd on 2017-01-20 21:38:46 GMT from United States)
@ 62, that does, thank you.
I think this is one of the places where Linux gives us free speech but not necessarily free beer. In such a case hopefully the enterprise would be paying folks (either their own or a vendor) for the work of maintaining
65 • Facebook ID Policy for DistroWatch (by Arch Watcher 402563 on 2017-01-21 07:21:15 GMT from United States)
So everyone submit a government-issued ID scan to Jesse. "Greg," post your home address, telephone, and personal resume. As a retired salesman, surely you get that a brand name like mine can be specially designed to streamline Google searches. Myself, I use StartPage. Anyway, with all us nameless trolls, why are you here? There's the door out, help yourself.
YouTube indeed has good Linux reviews and I've tapped Linux4UnMe in comments past. That guy is not a "coder" but a normal Joe working retail jobs. He rakes Ubuntu as harshly as I do. It's a horrible distro and always was, for "coders" or anyone else. If anything it shows the bad influence of money on FOSS. Debian was bad and Ubuntu made it worse. Manjaro OpenRC and Void offer more kernels, too.
66 • Drop Facebook & Google - Take Back the Web! (by Marc Draco on 2017-01-21 11:54:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
This should be our rallying cry. Not only have we sleepwalked into allowing the CIA, FBI and god knows who else read our private thoughts, we encourage our friends to do it to.
This is the REAL meaning of a meme... but I won't discuss that now, there are some great books on the subject including The Selfish Gene where Dawkins coined the phrase (the idea wasn't new).
I'm happy to run a small server in my living room - ARM ideally, but even Intel is OK, if that goes some way to bringing the web back under the control of individuals - and hurts greedy, self-interested corporations like Google [has become] and Facebook [always was].
I've tried to run a Diaspora pod on Debian and failed miserably as there isn't a finished installer and try as I might, I couldn't get past the last stage where Ruby just broke down with a Syntax error.
Something like Diaspora (where nodes connect) is desperately overdue. Similarly, there are a couple of alternative, distributed search engines and even a Twitter-like clone (GNU Social).
If we spent more time looking at these than fighting over who has the best alternative distro, we could help everyday users take back the web for everyone. Right now, we're all losing as a tiny number of US-based private corporations control access to most of the word's information.
So maybe not so much a-n-other distro is what's needed, what we need are Appliances to do these jobs.
I just installed a DietPi/PiHole appliance at an elderly friend's house. It runs comfortably on an original Raspberry Pi 256Mb and blocks add and trackers from all over the place. We could give away a pre-configured image ready to run with ease or even sell SD cards pre-loaded with the OS ready to work.
This is a small start, but every storm starts with a single drop of rain.
67 • @66 (by Jake on 2017-01-21 16:40:19 GMT from United States)
Who cares about CIA or FBI?
There's enough web browsers available to use without showing where one is from.
68 • @67 Identifying browsing computer (by Somewhat Reticent on 2017-01-22 01:13:34 GMT from United States)
Earlier this week there were stories about using data from(nearly) any browser sufficient to identify the computer it's running from, noting that only one browser provides a measure of anonymity (which isn't privacy, but helps). Much of their work depended on JavaScript.
69 • Wait, what? (by cykodrone on 2017-01-22 06:23:21 GMT from Canada)
In 52 I was referring to users of NON Linux operating systems. MS and Goggle's cooperation with the government has been well documented, any uber nerd worth their salt would have got the joke.
51 was asking the silly questions, which appeared out of context and ambiguous, if I was mistaken, i apologize.
I will never apologize for not liking to big to fail corporations abusing their monopolies, spying on their customers and releasing insecure and second rate software (at a hefty price and notoriously unfair license agreements), and then taking forever to release patches for security flaws that the general public have found.
I'm a HUGE fan of the Mr. Robot series, for a reason.
70 • Bittorrent (by Vic on 2017-01-22 07:15:30 GMT from Canada)
I've been using Qbittorrent since forever now, its got the best options, but remains pretty lightweight. I'm curious, why is anyone using frostwire? It sounds like Shareazaa, wich is garbage. I used frostwire back in like 04 or something back when limewire was still a thing, why would anyone use it now?
71 • ugh! (by Jordan on 2017-01-22 17:34:31 GMT from United States)
Hey folks, the arguments as to who is or is not a "troll" are tiresome idiocy that belong elsewhere (maybe nowhere). I come here for info and opinion as to LINUX, not for childish drama. Please!
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