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1 • Testing betas (by Jordan on 2016-05-16 00:15:16 GMT from North America) |
I've done it several times and most often come away from it feeling like I may have gotten into that particular beta too late, as it worked fine.
Network adaptor issues was the most common bug, it seems. A few other de isues etc.
2 • Beta Testing (by Furkin daRode on 2016-05-16 01:50:54 GMT from North America)
If you're running linux, you're beta-testing.
3 • @2 Beta testing (by Thomas Mueller on 2016-05-16 02:26:08 GMT from North America)
"If you're running linux, you're beta-testing."
Even truer for NetBSD, this would apply to the release as well as stable and head/trunk/current. I also run FreeBSD-current. Haiku is still alpha; I was unsuccessful trying to cross-build the Haiku source code but intend to try again.
4 • Torrents (by Trevor on 2016-05-16 02:33:01 GMT from North America)
When I try to download a torrent on this site, a tab pops up and says "The owner of torrent.resonatingmedia.com has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website." and won't let me download it. How do I get around this?
5 • Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! (by tom joad on 2016-05-16 02:37:05 GMT from Europe)
I am running Mint 17.3 and MX-15. There is no way on God's green Earth I am beta testing anything with either of them. Both are official production releases. Both are rock solid stable and predictable for what I do.
I am hardly the only person using Linux who feels just as I do. I am beyond happy and comfortable using Linux everyday.
Perhaps you might try Windows 10. I hear it is their best OS ever. Well, until Windows 11 comes out. Just plunk down a couple of hundred bucks for a copy of 10. I am sure it has lots of 'nagging' and hand holding built right in. Good luck with getting help too. MS is legendary with their response to user questions. And remember to load up on the Anti Virus / Spyware programs. You will surely need them. I bet you could coak at least one Blue Screen of Death out of Windows 10, too, if you really try.
Have fun troubleshooting. We will be working Linux machines.
6 • BSD's jails the users. (by Greg Zeng on 2016-05-16 02:52:38 GMT from Oceania)
The Dw test was done on an AMD CPU, using the very new ZFS file system. Very unusual, leading to unusual results? Perhaps if I use FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-amd64-uefi-dvd1.iso (699.16 MB) or FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-amd64-uefi-dvd1.iso (2.57 GB), I might have better luck with a more common Intel CPU and the ext4 file system?
"FreeBSD". Wikipedia is overloaded with jargon. Distrowatch http://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=BSD
tells me that Debian is the main (#2) BSD operating system. To sort my confusion, Google gave me: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/a-comparative-introduction-to-freebsd-for-linux-users
Hopefully BSD might solve all our problems with Linux's kernel-only interests, rather than BSD's trick that put users into jails that do not disturb the kernel afik.
7 • Beta testing (by stu on 2016-05-16 03:03:14 GMT from North America)
I've been following Slackware64-current for about a year on two machines and staying with Slackware64-14.1 on two others. I tried the current branch due to the unusually long wait (2.5 years now) for 14.2 and my newer hardware needed a few up-to-date drivers. Slackware is conservative and emphasizes reliability, I've found the current branch more stable than most other release-quality software.
In my experience with other release-quality operating systems I've had no problems with OpenBSD, a few problems with FreeBSD and OS X, too many problems with Arch Linux, and almost nothing but problems with Windows.
8 • FreeBSD / @2 / Beta testing (by Will B on 2016-05-16 03:08:55 GMT from North America)
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Yep, that's good ol' FreeBSD for ya. I am a big fan of FreeBSD, but have found that I cannot use it full-time for running my business day-to-day because of really crummy packages/ports quality. That being said, I'm using FreeBSD 11-CURRENT right now and it, so far, is the most stable I've seen FreeBSD for a while. Here's hoping it only gets better.
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> If you're running linux, you're beta-testing.
Haha, you're a funny one, mate.
Just about any operating system has issues in one way or another. I think @5 sums it up nicely. I support quite a few customers who use Windows 10, and it's been nothing short of frustrating and painful. On the other hand, I have had nothing but solid performance from Linux distros like Debian.
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As mentioned earlier, I just started running FreeBSD 11-CUREENT. I typically don't beta-test distros because I have a busy business to run during the day and need my main workstation to be reliable and predictable.
Another thing about beta-testing is that reporting issues sometimes is worse than pulling teeth. If you are developing a Linux or BSD distro and you want bug reports and feedback, make it as easy as possible for users to report issues. Don't make them do all the work!
We'll see how this beta-testing of FreeBSD 11 goes. Hopefully 11 will be the one that stays on my computer.
9 • CentOS - ScientificLinux - RHEL (by Somewhat Reticent on 2016-05-16 04:05:31 GMT from North America)
Conversion among these remixes is best done between same versions; the www is replete with fairly Short-&-Simple recipes
That said, such conversions are never an "upgrade"
10 • beta testing (by Hoos on 2016-05-16 05:31:07 GMT from Asia)
For me, it is more accurate to say I've am using beta releases, rather than being an actual beta tester.
Slackel openbox 6.0.5 beta has been working just fine for me, and since it's rolling, it naturally moved on to the official release, give or take my tweaks/changes to the installed packages.
It's Salix-based but with Slackware-current repo enabled. Most updates can be done by the gslapt graphical package manager, except for the slapt-get -i you have to do for kernels and glibc packages (a bit like how the Mint update manager holds back the kernel and level 4 and 5 updates).
This is my gentle introduction into Slackware/Salix, and to be honest, I'm not sure I want/need to delve any deeper into Slackware. I wanted to try another family of distros that eschewed systemd, although I use and enjoy systemd distros as well. It is just good to keep one's options open.
Slackel is very fast, I have to say.
11 • @10 correction (by Hoos on 2016-05-16 07:03:25 GMT from Asia)
First line should be "I've USED OR am using beta releases".
I was actually using Slackel 6.0.3 openbox (final) but then there was a transition from udev to eudev that messed up my installation somehow, and certain applications couldn't work anymore.
I had overlooked some important announcements on the slackel site and by the time I tried to follow their advice to install/remove certain packages, it no longer seemed to help. Tried a partition restoration from backup a few times and attempted to follow their rectification/upgrades CLI instructions. Could not resolve issues so I wiped it and installed 6.0.5 beta.
No issues with my configuration tweaks because I'd backed up my changes to fbpanel, bookmarks, wallpaper changer script previously.
12 • beta testing (by penxguin on 2016-05-16 09:25:02 GMT from Oceania)
Some things I have learned through alpha/beta testing.
Expect breakage. If possible use a spare as opposed to your daily driver. If this is not possible, be prepared to become very intimate with your HDD partitions.
Always use care with a new or unfamiliar installer.
Become very familiar with your distros bug reporting system.
It is always better to put as much info the report so that the person assigned to look into the bug has a more likely chance of reproducing it.
e.g.: "installer broken" is probably going to be ignored. (I have seen this as a report )
Keep ownership of the report, and reply to requests for more info.
You can (re)produce the bug, the fixer may not be able to do so.
If you abandon the report, why should the fixer care about fixing the bug if you no longer do?
If you do your testing well, the final product will be better because of your input.
13 • Downloading torrents (by Jesse on 2016-05-16 12:08:36 GMT from North America)
@4: Trevor, it seems to be working okay here so I have sent you an e-mail to get more details. If you're still having trouble downloading the torrents, please reply to my e-mail and we'll get things sorted out.
14 • @2 beta testing linux (by Jordan on 2016-05-16 12:54:55 GMT from North America)
Well the spirit of that notion, that if you are running linux you're beta testing, is well taken, but off center just a little.
Linux used to self correct at more frequent intervals than Windows. Anybody with a solid distro such as Manjaro or Mint can attest to the reliability, etc. Windows 10 does frequent updates, whether you want them or not, now. So, yes it appears that Windows 10 can run as reliably as linux's best distros.
Does this mean that Windows is a constant "beta test?"
15 • Beta testing (by cykodrone on 2016-05-16 13:47:09 GMT from North America)
I chose sometimes because I have a separate stable install of my everyday distro for testing beta kernels and packages.
16 • devuan beta (by dogma on 2016-05-16 14:28:22 GMT from North America)
I don't generally use non-final releases of OSes, but I have made an exception for devuan's recent beta release.
17 • Manjaro (by grouchy guy on 2016-05-16 15:26:59 GMT from Europe)
Manjaro needs to pay attention to more than just its security certificate. Its forum has no search feature, and whoever hand-approves new users seems to be permanently OTL.
Manjaro is different enough from Arch to cause trouble when you want to actually do something, and then it leaves you without any way to find help.
18 • Manjaro forum (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2016-05-16 16:41:07 GMT from North America)
Search works, new users comment often, new version full o' bling.
Was troll's snark just reverse-psych ad?
19 • @17 Manjaro forums (by Jordan on 2016-05-16 16:49:02 GMT from North America)
I had trouble joining until I switched away from the spam-pot web based email domain I was using for contact address. You can be innocent enough, but if you're using that same domain used by the spam idiots you'll be on Manjaro's forum software spam list and you'll not be even contacted by them, let alone allowed to join.
20 • Beta testing (by slick on 2016-05-16 17:29:35 GMT from North America)
Using Devuan 1.0 beta currently, find it one of the most stable and dependable distributions I have tested in years. It is forked from Debian and free of systemd.
Often an alpha or beta release can be far superior to some distributions final release. So many final releases are just broken. But that is Linux, some distros are simply better.
Prefer a minimalist approach, no DE and a scant list of applications installed. Large bloated distributions along with systemd tend to be prone to failure and simply reject those futile efforts. Never understood why so much bloat goes into a distribution when the user can simply download what they need.
21 • Beta-testing (by magical on 2016-05-16 21:07:49 GMT from North America)
Regarding beta-testing...I don't use Microsoft products!
22 • Main BSDs (by M.Z. on 2016-05-16 22:07:00 GMT from North America)
@6 - BSDs
No, you read that wrong. Debain is among the most popular OSs in the DW hit rankings & they offer a BSD version, which has always been far more experimental than their main Linux based version. No matter how high Debian is on the hit ranking at DW their experimental BSD release doesn't make them the most popular BSD based system, it just means that Debian is a popular project that has a BSD variant. The popularity of Debian among those looking at distros on DW is almost certainly based on hits among users interested in the main Linux based releases of Debian. If you want the most popular true BSD based system & one that offers a solid release, then you have to go with FreeBSD. It's very munch meant to be a true BSD & is essentially the equivalent of Debian in the world of BSDs, though I think their experiments with Linux are limited to the compatibility tools mentioned in the current DW weekly. Here are the sites related to the Debian BSD port:
23 • @5 Windows 10 (by Jack on 2016-05-16 22:54:06 GMT from Europe)
I keep hearing that Windows 10 is the best one ever but I think it's awful. The way it does updates is intrusive and has stopped me working more than once, the start menu is a mess, I even had more trouble configuring my printer than I have with both Ubuntu and Fedora and have various other complaints. I did use Windows 7 and 8 alongside Linux but I haven't logged into my Windows 10 install for about 6 or 7 months and I'm seriously considering deleting the partition.
I'm also considering buying my wife another Mac as she isn't getting on with Windows 10 either and she won't/can't use Linux. .
24 • No PCLinuxOS 32 bit? (by C.R. Lewis on 2016-05-17 00:55:49 GMT from North America)
Oh well. Guess I'm about to go hopping again. I run linux on two 32 bit laptops. Here I come, Mint. Might see you down the road, PCL, when my laptops die.
25 • @17 (by Bonky on 2016-05-17 04:13:42 GMT from North America)
Seach works on the old Manjaro forum if you are Registered ......This weekend Manjaro has moved to a new Forum and I have no idea how that works yet...
I have a Manjaro machine which has been used almost daily for approx 4 yrs, on Testing Repos and has never had more than slight annoyance when GTK theme issues pop up.....
@24 Same feelings here about PClinuxOS I have always kept a machine with it running out of some loyalty to Mandrake ...sadly I wont be anymore ..if they want to ditch loyal users it says a lot about them Think ill install Void Linux tomorrow fancy trying that out
26 • "If_you_not_living_"good",_you_gotta... (by k on 2016-05-17 06:07:51 GMT from Europe)
... travel wide" (Bob Marley, 1970)
@ 5, 2, and 14
One rebel to another, excellent summation of the "spirit" of Linus Torvalds's revolution at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Creation .
Naming -- alpha, beta, or gamma -- and ego aside, Linus's "Freax" has adapted and evolved to allow all users/minds to travel wide. GO FOR IT!
27 • Debian testing (by AT on 2016-05-17 08:59:28 GMT from Europe)
Technically if someone is running Debian testing or sid ... Aren't they already beta tester ?
28 • @23 "look and act like ... Mac OS X or ... " (by Greg Zeng on 2016-05-17 10:20:25 GMT from Oceania)
No need for your wife to abandon Linux. She won't notice the difference with:
"Zorin Look Changer
... lets you change your desktop to look and act like either Windows 7, XP, 2000, Ubuntu Unity, Mac OS X or GNOME 2 for ultimate ease of use."
My wife is ok with W-10. Her friend likes Mac OS X. So I might instead have her computer with Zorin, with the OS X face. Personally Zorin is made for simple people who like limited choices; not too much customization allowed nor possible. Multi-booting is one of my specializations, so it is very easy for me.
29 • FreeBSD review (by Andy Mender on 2016-05-17 11:24:15 GMT from Europe)
I hope you didn't take my last week's comment too personally. I was quite grumpy back then. Thank you plenty for doing the FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE review :).
We know about the 'kernel too old' issue in the Linux compat layer. To some extent it can be fixed by changing the kernel version in sysctl.conf: sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.18
Nevertheless, it's true that some things like iocage and running Linux binaries requires fiddling. As always, a lot is covered by the Handbook. I cannot speak for FreeBSD developers, though as far as I understood, the major goal was to get 64-bit support for the Linux compat layer going and proceed from there :).
30 • Manjaro's unfortunate forum changes (by edked on 2016-05-17 18:14:39 GMT from North America)
I use Manjaro and love it, but the new forum is not an improvement at all, or at least the minor, minor advantages have not been worth all the problems.
I still can't get my confirmation e-mail, and I had no problem using an MS "live" e-mail address to join the old forum, which I never had any problems on (or made any problems on).
31 • 30 • Manjaro's unfortunate forum changes (by mandog on 2016-05-17 22:10:43 GMT from South America)
Just email PhillM.
I think as a older user wearing glasses the forum is terrible it gives you a headache with all that high contrast white, also its designed for smart-phone users not Linux users.
32 • @28 Zorin (by Jack on 2016-05-18 09:42:10 GMT from Europe)
Thanks for the tip. I've never tried Zorin myself.
The issue is software, mostly iTunes and Photoshop, rather than the look and feel though. At least if she gets the Mac I can delete the Windows partition off mine and then keep her current laptop as a spare Windows machine... just in case.
33 • FreeBSD and iocage (by Scott on 2016-05-18 14:10:19 GMT from North America)
iocage is great, but it is going to be rewritten in go. Not sure how well it will be supported in the interim.
34 • @ 27 Debian testing (by Kubelik on 2016-05-19 02:05:47 GMT from Europe)
Yes, you can say it technically is beta. In actual life it is more stable than, say,
Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. - I'm running both of them side by side on the same pc.
35 • @ 22, 29 (by azuvix on 2016-05-19 04:19:02 GMT from North America)
I'd like to add a little nudge in the direction of PC-BSD as well. It's extremely well-done and constantly getting better.
You know, even though GNU/Linux is my foundation, I'm of the opinion that all free software deserves our attention, particularly when it's developing in interesting ways or is of superb quality. You'll never hear me speak poorly of the *BSDs - when they implement new features, you know the end result is going to be great.
That's what makes the situation of GNU/kFreeBSD so sad, frankly... I really want to see it thrive, but who can really say how likely that is?
36 • "In_actual_life..." (by k on 2016-05-19 06:49:16 GMT from North America)
@ 34 • @ 27 Debian testing (by Kubelik
Might not your experience be more related to your specific hardware -- host computer environment -- than Debian tesing being "more stable than... Ubuntu 16.04 LTS"?
Nevertheless, partly agreeing with your observation, antiX-16-b1 seems to operate MUCH faster and more stably -- from a flash drive -- for most software run from Firejail sandbox than Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS (Trusty Tahr) ever did for any application run from hardware installation. :)
37 • @4 Trevor Torrents (by Menfin!?! on 2016-05-19 21:15:54 GMT from North America)
Hi Trevor, I ran into the same messages and, for me, it turned out to be AdFender, if you have the same program, you can import a security certificate from it and it should allow you to visit most https sites without issues, I still have to disable it for certain sites still, you may have too as well. I hope it helps.
38 • @30 etc Manjaro forums (by Jordan on 2016-05-20 14:19:54 GMT from North America)
There's a link to the old forums at the Manjaro site. Also, I doubt if the new forum area is for smartphones, but maybe it is. All I know is I find it very intuitive and easy to use no matter which device I use; iPad, iPhone or laptop.
I'm very glad I discovered Manjaro a while back. No more distro hopping except to fool around with other distros here and there on thumb drives or my oldest computer.
39 • DistroWatch as a research tool, soon ? (by Greg Zeng on 2016-05-21 03:11:13 GMT from Oceania)
A few weeks ago, in Comments, DW had information of a third party tool that generated an inaccurate map of Linux distributions. Inaccurate, because DW was inaccurate. Jesse wrote that Dw was never intended for this research purpose.
Often here in DW are references to the ZFS partition format. DW again does not allow anyone to discover which Linux distributions allow this, nor nor other partition setting.
Recently I came across a news item: "Kubuntu 16.04 LTS to KDE Plasma 5.6.4". The original post was ignorant of Kubuntu. Using (or trying to use DW as an information source, I replied:
"Thanks for the PPA. This will work for all Kubuntu based distributions: BlackLab, Netrunner, ZevenOS, KXStudio, SuperX, Bardinux, Oz Unity, Ultimate, ExTiX, ... "
Again DW failed as a research tool, because it does not see Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint, etc. as unique starting points for derivative distributions. The correct way to research this information over hundreds of brandnames on the DW data base might be the intersection of the Ubuntu and KDE sets, if they were accurate. We need other third parties to create, research and check this process. Open source software like phpBB would greatly better Linux development imho. To me, it seems that DW has enough good will amongst it users atm to enable skilled, capble volunteers to assist its smooth running.
40 • "good_will"_and_the_Aaron_Swartz_story (by k on 2016-05-21 07:15:00 GMT from Europe)
@39 • DistroWatch as a research tool, soon ? (by Greg Zeng
Excellent comment, thank you, but probably you and most other readers of DistroWatch understand that if not financial interests, often ego presents a formidable challenge to "good will" as you put it.
Perhaps a relevant example at:
Hope to learn more from your research.
41 • Data accuracy (by Jesse on 2016-05-21 13:22:25 GMT from North America)
@39: I'd like to clear up a few points from your comment. First, regarding the distro family tree graphic, what I was saying in my previous comment is that we do not track when distributions were first created and we do not track which distro they were forked from (only based on). For example, openSUSE is an independent distro "forked from" Slackware. While Ubuntu is a distro "based on" Debian. We provide the latter information, but not the former. That's why there are some differences in the graphic between what people would expect and what the family tree shows. The information we have is accurate, but it needs to be interpreted correctly.
Regarding ZFS support, we do actually provide a list of distributions which include the Linux on ZFS module on their media: https://distrowatch.com/search.php?pkg=zfs&pkgver=0.&distrorange=InAny#pkgsearch
Regarding the Kubuntu article, I suspect the person was focusing on Kubuntu as people who want the latest KDE software usually use Kubuntu. The other dirivatives are not KDE-focused. That is not in any way a result of our information, but the author's focus. I'd also like to point out Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc are not unique starting points for derivatives as they all use the same packages (from Ubuntu).
You suggest we make more use of volunteers. That's is why we have a Contributing page. Anyone with ideas, free time, an urge to help is welcome to join us. And we do often get help from people this way (thanks everyone!). The contributing page can be found here:
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|• Issue 796 (2019-01-07): FreeBSD 12.0, Peppermint releases ISO update, picking the best distro of 2018, roundtable interview with Debian, Fedora and elementary developers|
|• Issue 795 (2018-12-24): Running a Pinebook, interview with Bedrock founder, Alpine being ported to RISC-V, Librem 5 dev-kits shipped|
|• Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell|
|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
|• Full list of all issues|
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