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1 • Opinion Poll: Issue #634 (by Marti on 2015-11-02 01:20:53 GMT from North America) |
1 active desktop (Peppermint) and 1 active laptop (UbuntuGNOME). 1 desktop, unplugged, in the closet, under a blanket, with Lubuntu 14.04 as a fall-back in the event of catastrophe.
2 • Chakra GNU/Linux (by Crystal Glaceon on 2015-11-02 01:24:24 GMT from North America)
Quick note, Chakra Linux is actually no longer based on Arch Linux and since split back in 2010. It's now it's own independent distro from Arch.
3 • home computers (by Bonky Osmond on 2015-11-02 02:02:34 GMT from North America)
i have 3 homes in 3 countries my GF and I both have laptops for work even though she doesn't and I have 2 I keep for historical reasons...
Most are dual booted , Manjaro and Gentoo are on a few, I also have Antix, Salix, PclinuxOS, ..my historical comp i have some of my od distros from yesteryear which i like to go and play with from time to time
4 • Computers at home (by Mark on 2015-11-02 02:07:24 GMT from North America)
Desktop 1: Ubuntu 15.10
Desktop 2: Ubuntu 14.04 server
Desktop 3: Windows 10 and distro trials
Desktop 4: IPFire 2.17 firewall (headless)
Laptop 1: Ubuntu 15.10
Laptop 2: Ubuntu 15.10
5 • Opinion poll in Issue No. 634 (by Ravi on 2015-11-02 02:18:39 GMT from Asia)
I own four computers in my home.
Main desktop: Xeon 1245 v3 system with 16 GB RAM and 1TB storage with Samsung evo 120 GB for OS.(self assembled). Running some VMs and ZFS file system justify 16 GB memory.
One Asus intel i7 ivy bridge laptop with 8 GB RAM and evo 120 GB ssd for office work.(Python and C programming).
One AMD athlon 5150 based system with 8GB RAM for my backups and serve debian packages to all other systems. I bought 10 debian jessie DVD's and put all the packages into it and configured apache server. This system currently also work as a DHCP server and NTP server for my home. This guy run headless.
One raspberry pi model B first gen for reading PDFs. As reading PDFs in pi saves power and reduces bill.
* All the guys run Debian jessie and raspbian.
6 • Ubuntu review (by Simon on 2015-11-02 02:24:22 GMT from Oceania)
I'm grateful to Jesse Smith and others for the time they take to document their experiences with various distros, as this often helps to narrow the options down. It's unfortunate that what's uncovered in these reviews sometimes clashes so much with what's conveyed as the overall positive or negative impression.
"The good, the bad, and the Ubuntu 15.10" replaces the familiar word "ugly" in that title with "Ubuntu", so that a general negative impression is conveyed right from the start. Then, after reporting the extremely encouraging news that for once, "the development team appears to have been working almost exclusively over the past year to fix bugs and keep things working as they have been. This makes Ubuntu feels like a more stable platform", this excellent news is turned into a criticism: apparently it would be better, as Ubuntu goes into a LTS release that millions of people will use for many years to come, to play with new features rather than produce a reliable, quality operating system!
By far the most important thing for any operating system is that it actually works. Ubuntu is not a toy distro used only by hobbyists and gamers: it's a serious operating system that people use to do serious work. For any release, stability should be a far higher priority than new features; but this particular release is the last opportunity to establish a rock-solid platform for an LTS release that will be used until 2021. The developers' sensible decision to avoid gimmicks and focus on bug fixing should be praised.
Sometimes Distrowatch reviews uncover major bugs...features that simply don't work at all...and yet the overall tone of the review is positive. Here we have a first class release and the tone is quite negative! Fortunately, the usual careful detail in Jesse's review makes it clear that Ubuntu have done an outstanding job here. "Ugly" or not, 15.10 is exactly what it ought to be.
7 • opinion poll (by Dave on 2015-11-02 02:34:11 GMT from North America)
Desktop running Linux Mint
3 dual boot Laptops running Linux Mint/windows
1 dedicated server running plex on Mint
1 HTPC running KodiBuntu
8 • Ubuntu review (by linuxista on 2015-11-02 02:47:26 GMT from North America)
@6 Jesse's conclusion was that, not only, 15.10, but also 15.04 and 14.10 didn't really move the bar much. It used to be, or I thought the idea was, that Ubuntu would stretch itself a bit with its interim releases and those who want/need stability for "serious work" should stick with the LTS. So, the "rock-solid" platform for an LTS release" argument for why 15.10 is right where it needs to be sounds a bit apologistic. I think it does raise some questions about Canonical's priorities re the desktop, and whether they are dedicating most of their resources to the phone/convergence. That may be a very sound strategy ultimately; I'm not condemning Canonical for it.
9 • What if... (by Kontol Kuda on 2015-11-02 03:05:35 GMT from Asia)
@1: What if the catastrophe takes out the fall-back system in your closet?
10 • Opinion Poll (by Ari Torres on 2015-11-02 03:06:16 GMT from North America)
I just have one computer BUT it has a swap bay where I can change HD like I change my underwear and SATA HD are very cheap so I have like 8 different distributions installed, Linux Lite, Elementary, Ubuntu, Windows, Mac OS, Cromixium, Android, Solus and some I run LIVE on USB Flash Drives. I love testing Linux and what not :)
11 • Opinion Poll (by Erik on 2015-11-02 03:31:17 GMT from North America)
My Desktop and main computer: Ubuntu Gnome 5.10
My Laptop: Linux Mint 17.2
Wife's Laptop: Windows 8.1
Son's Desktop: Windows 7
Daughter's Desktop: Windows 7
Server (Headless): Manjaro Linux + 2 x Ubuntu Server 14.04 VMs
12 • Ubuntu development (by Fairly Reticent on 2015-11-02 03:43:24 GMT from North America)
Sometimes the idea is to make changes under-the-hood, out-of-sight, while minimizing changes to the "experience".
(Like imposing XML process management?)
13 • Home Computers Revival (by Roy H Huddleston on 2015-11-02 04:09:38 GMT from North America)
My brother said it looked like a computer threw up with all the pieces in various states of repair. Lubuntu on my main. Roommate has Windows 7 on her two. One for ghosting on her laptop and one for her main desktop. I have a laptop with Windows Vista. And then there are those needing to get saved.
14 • Number of computers / Ubuntu RAM usage / Minix (by Will B on 2015-11-02 04:15:43 GMT from North America)
== Number of computers in the household ==
Workstation: Debian Linux (Testing) / FreeBSD 10.2
Laptop: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
Netbook: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
Server (headless): FreeBSD 10.2
== Ubuntu RAM usage ==
600 MB at idle? Wow, that's insane. I run Debian Testing 64-bit, Openbox and LXPanel and at idle it's in the lower 100's. At a glance with Thunderbird, Firefox, VirtualBox and Audacious running I'm using 635 MB. So yeah, functional desktop with all my main apps open uses 35 MB more than Unity at idle. I know, I have an unhealthy obsession with keeping it minimal, even though I have 16 GB RAM and a good four-core Intel processor. :-P
== MINIX CON ==
That's an interesting development. Last time I tried MINIX, it didn't have Xorg available for it. Wonder if they've fixed that yet...?
15 • Multiple (by Chris on 2015-11-02 04:22:38 GMT from North America)
Ubuntu 15.10 Review:
Jesse, thanks for your hard work and this week's review; unfortunately, I had to quit reading at Ubuntu's insistance on continuing the default spyware.
One abacus running OpenAbacus. :) I do keep a few spare beads...
16 • nasty teeth in the cold dark rain (by A Bucket of Lotion on 2015-11-02 04:30:05 GMT from Europe)
TAILS, in my underground lair!
17 • Number of home computers (by seacat on 2015-11-02 04:50:02 GMT from South America)
Desktop: Sparkylinux 4.1 / Debian 7.9
Notebook: Debian 8.2
18 • Ubuntu Review (by Simon on 2015-11-02 05:06:18 GMT from Oceania)
@8 "Move the bar" in what direction? My point is that they've raised the bar considerably higher than many other distros by focusing on the priorities that matter, instead of chasing stupidly after change for the sake of change. For hobbyists who want the bar to be "moved" every release, regardless of whether this lowers it by making the OS less trustworthy, there are plenty of other distros out there to play with. Ubuntu didn't earn its huge user base by being an "exciting" or "bleeding edge" distro: it was one of the first that was careful enough to get things right, and actually work out-of-the-box without hours of fiddling and fixing things up. Big changes like Unity were pushed out to users after they'd already fallen in love with a distro that took existing technologies and polished them until they shone.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that Ubuntu's pace of change has been slow lately: I'm just disagreeing with the negative spin on that fact. To me it's a sign that the distro is maturing and getting its priorities right. In fact, now that Debian has gone with the crowd and switched to systemd, there's not much point any more in choosing Debian over Ubuntu: Ubuntu's LTS releases are about as stable, only more polished. Too many change junkies confuse change with progress: often they're opposites, and the faster developers scramble to embrace the Latest Thing, the further backwards their products fall in terms of the basic things that matter most.
19 • Opinion Poll (by Saltynoob on 2015-11-02 05:13:27 GMT from North America)
Home Desktop: Fedora 23 Mate
Work Desktop: openSuse 13.2 XFCE (Windows7-VM) (I have a very cool boss)
Laptop 1: Dual Boot Fedora 23 /openSuse 13.2 Both have OpenBox & Awesome
Laptop 2: PC-BSD 10.2 Lumina Desktop
Server1: FreeBSD 10.1 Headless
Server2: Centos 6.5 Headless
Got a Intel NUC and Rasp-Pi (I haven't figured out what I going to do yet.
I got the parents on Chromebooks, so no more tech support.
Girlfriend is too deep into Apple eco-system with purchases to switch.
20 • Ubuntu review (by Name on 2015-11-02 05:17:00 GMT from Europe)
Indirectly calling a distribution "ugly" just because it's stable and mature and doesn't make changes just for the sake of changes is ridiculous.
One of the problems that Ubuntu usually has is exactly this: they have the habit of sometimes making changes that are unnecessary and disturb the users.
I would like to see more future releases such as this: "boring", with no unnecessary changes, just small incremental steps, for a 6 months interval this is more than enough.
Also, if you want to see the real release notes see the release notes of the new kernel, systemd, libreoffice, etc., and you will find lots of new stuff, all incremental.
And if memory consumption is a problem then use another Ubuntu version such as Xubuntu or Lubuntu, I am using Lubuntu even though I have 16 GB of ram on a fast PC, I just not like to waste resources for completely unnecessary eye candy.
21 • Computers (by Juan on 2015-11-02 05:41:20 GMT from North America)
Right now I got:
1 MacBook Pro Retina running OSX 10.10.3 and Linux Mint 17, my main system
1 Asus transformer Pad TF201 champagne running Android (cyanogenmod rom)
1 Dell FX160 mini desktop currently running openbsd 5.8, the PC I use for trying OS's out
1 Raspberry PI B+, for toying with Raspberry software and OS's
1 HP All-in-One, running Windows 8.1, given to me by a relative, use it to run games that won't run through wine
1 LG ChromeBase used as media center
1 UMAX PowerCentre currently running NetBSD 7.0, I use it to try out development of ppc versions of OSS OS's.
22 • Computers @Home + Ubuntu (by Livestradamus on 2015-11-02 06:03:55 GMT from Asia)
1Nos. i7, 32GB RAM CPU thats a VM host + file server (CentOS base, to be changed to Slackware.) VM's are Linux & different BSD's.
1Nos. i7, 16GB RAM Laptop for daily use (Slackware64)
1Nos. new but low cost Acer laptop for the wife (PeppermintOS)
1Nos. old centrino netbook, Backup and download server (Slackware)
2Nos. RasPi's B+ (OSMC and the other still deciding wtf to do with it though I'm leaning toward SlackwareArm as a quassel irc server)
I dislike the look of Unity so to me its always been ugly. Of course that is just personal preference and perhaps it may change but until they allow me to configure it a bit more, unlikely to change.
I did test it and like what its doing in general with convergence and excellent choice for new Linux users.
23 • Opinion (by Jorge on 2015-11-02 06:14:11 GMT from Asia)
Desktop and laptop with dual Boot Zenwalk (slackware derived) / Windows (7). I can work with both without problems.. but wintendo is better to play hehe
Personally I prefer to use complex systems keeping all simple and functional. @20 I agree with not waste resources unnecessary
24 • Ubuntu (by linuxista on 2015-11-02 06:19:18 GMT from North America)
@18, @20: If Ubuntu's all about stability and minimal change, why not dump the interim releases altogether and just have the LTS versions with backports, a la Debian and Mint? The risk of a dirty or broken upgrade doesn't seem worth it for minimal/negligible changes to the user experience, or just updating software, which can't be credited to Canonical.
25 • Computers (by Roy Davies on 2015-11-02 06:59:58 GMT from Europe)
We have six fully working computer in our home:
Desktop #1 (HP) running Windows 7 Pro - 64 bit. As originally built (2010).
Desktop #2 (Acer) running Windows 7 Home Premium - 32 bit. Originally with Vista Home Premium (2007).
Laptop #1 (HP) running Windows 10 Pro - 64 bit. Originally with Windows 7 Pro (2011).
Laptop #2 (Acer) running SparkyLinux 4 - 32 bit. Originally with Windows Vista Home Basic (2008).
Laptop #3 (Acer) running LXLE 12.04.5 - 32 bit. Originally with Windows XP Home (2002)
Laptop #4 - Wife's (Dell) running LMDE 1 - 32 bit. Originally with Windows XP Pro (2004)
I think it a shame that many developers are now issuing only 64 bit distro versions. There are still many older 32 bit computers out there which could become usable with Linux 32 bit.
26 • Number of PC's I really need. (by mim yucel on 2015-11-02 07:30:42 GMT from Europe)
I am retired mechanic, I mean not PC professional. I am using PC for my ordinary needs as like any ordinary human. ( I dont like playing games.) Although all those; I run :
- 1 laptop ; Windows7 (upgraded to Win10) and in paralel booting (double booting) Mint Cinnamon. ( When I run my PC , I use %80 Cinnamon, I like Cinnamon Desktop very comfortable)
- I have strong feeling to have a second PC for experiencing the other Linux versions. If I had tried those in my existing PC, to set up Wind10 again back would take me 2 whole days. What a torchery. (I do that when Mint Cinnamon produces a new version. Than I have to set up first Win7 ,than its patchs, than instal Mint Cinnamon, than upgrade Win7 to Win10 and than its patchs). But I want enjoy the other some Linux distros also. So you can calculate me as a man with 2 PCs. I guess there are other persons like me.
Result : The Opinion Pool 's questionary shold be re-designated to reveal the the stiation more precisly.
27 • Ubuntu families, growing up together. (by Greg Zeng on 2015-11-02 07:45:14 GMT from North America)
There are several Ubuntu families, based on the half-yearly releases of the 04 LongTermSupport (April, LTS) and the 10 (October) short-term support.
First released officially are the Unity, KDE, XFCE and LXDE interfaces. Almost as boring & predictable are the more independent Mate, Cinnamon, Gnome and server versions of these Ubuntus.
More interesting, unpredictable and chancy are the Canonical-adventurers: Mint and more than 70 other brand names; all generally based on the half-yearly Canonical family, in the days following. Last in the half-yearly release, are the distant cousins, which have specializations & more eye-candy e.g. Cubuntu, BlackLab, Netrunner, Studio, & Peppermint. Mint, Zorin, Wattos, LXLE & Pinguy were too unusual for my tastes.
ALL these Ubuntu-based distros use the same standard installation method, with the KDE installation being sightly different. All of them can be updated easily and quickly by just double-clicking on the kernel or applications filename: "filename.deb". All of them can offer a choice of operating systems & any installed kernel-versions of choice, using the Grub-Customizer application.
Luckily Firefox & its family (Cyberfox, Waterfox, etc) automatically synchronizes its add-ons and settings on all my Dell XPS-15 notebook with its twelve (12) operating systems. This simplifies jumping into any or all of the above operating systems, or Windows-10.
28 • home computers (by peer on 2015-11-02 08:07:39 GMT from Europe)
1. pc: linux mint 17 kde
2. old pc: debian 8 mate
3. family pc: windows 7
4. laptop: windows 7
5. old laptop: windows 7
6. eee pc: android-x86
29 • Ubuntu (by Arkanabar on 2015-11-02 08:35:27 GMT from North America)
Canonical is doing quite a bit of development and testing, but it isn't in the UX. It's in things like Snappy, Mir and SystemD.
Canonical is probably also doing their best to position Ubuntu (and probably 16.04 expecially) as an enterprise and production platform. To that end, they'll do their best to have more development stability, and avoid pushing things that aren't ready for desktop. We hobbyists often embrace Latest And Greatest Syndrome, but enterprise does not, and they're the ones who provide revenue.
I don't mind. Unless I move to PCLOS, which goes slowly with base system components (init, kernel, X, etc), but likes to keep desktop apps very fresh, but there's also a pretty good chance that, come 16.04, I'll install Lubuntu and use it for two years, as I did with 14.04.
30 • PCs - safety in numbers (by Sondar on 2015-11-02 08:47:25 GMT from Europe)
As I wade through my arsenal of hardware, may I pass on a small item of advice? Occasionally, one of the behemoths will refuse to boot, especially if it isn't regularly active. Frequently, the problem has been 'bad caps', either on the motherboard or PSU. In those cases, 15mins work with the soldering iron has restored sanity to the beast. Moral: eschew landfill whenever possible - there's always a minimalist distro that can be activated on the oldest machine. Why, it's even possible to buy a new Spectrum look-a-like that'll run the original SW as well as Raspian. Incidentally, re. 10 supra, most of my boxes have caddy systems for a vast collection of viable PATA and SATA hard drives, FDDs, LS120, and zip drives or a couple of tape drives; even the oldest have been retrofitted with USB1.1 ports, although I no longer fit backplane serial ports to the headers - one has to move with the times!
31 • computers (by zykoda on 2015-11-02 08:50:21 GMT from Europe)
20+ discarded ex-MS windows [95-7] machines revitalised with up to 20 multiboot linux partitions using GRUB1/2 sometimes with PLOP. So far no machine from this random collection has failed to run at least one linux distro. All machines have at least 100Mbit wired ethernet with web access. No UEFI...yet. Dual pink pogoplugs, a Netgear DG834G with a Linksys WRT54GS running dd-wrt V24-micro-SP1 serve the home net. A positive museum run on a shoestring and a security nightmare!
32 • Ubuntu & bug fix release (by Stan on 2015-11-02 09:18:11 GMT from Europe)
I'm not a fan of Ubuntu but it is very nice to see some kind of bug fix release.
Trying new technologies is nice, but when none of those technologies pass the alpha/beta release we should evaluate our goals and directions.
I personally think that long standing issues should be address first and then move forward, accumulating a huge backlog is not healthy specially for new features.
33 • Number of computers (by Mark Lund on 2015-11-02 10:08:51 GMT from Europe)
My main desktop is running UbuntuGnome 14.10
I have a laptop running on Peppermint 6 and one Win10 laptop
Mediacenter PC in living room running Lubuntu 14.10
Wife have a MacBook
Son have a gaming rig with Win 10
34 • N° of PC (by César on 2015-11-02 10:39:51 GMT from South America)
1) My desktop:
- Partition with Debian 8 with Mate Desktop.
- Partition with Windows 10.
- Debian 8 Mate Desktop.
Why Mate? Because i still love Gnome 2.**.
Why Debian? Because works without troubles with my hardware.
Why Windows 10? Only for play Red Baron 3D with Glide patch.
Saludos desde Santiago de Chile.
35 • Canonical Release Schedule (by Joncr on 2015-11-02 11:20:31 GMT from North America)
Canonical works Ubuntu on a 6-month release cycle, so there will be releases every six months, whether or not they bring dramatic change. Besides, the more things change, the more they break. Shiny new features play to the interests of Linux media but not necessarily to the interests of users.
Canonical is busy preparing Unity 8 and all the rest that will follow the 16.04 LTS release, which looks to be very nice and also the last of the Compiz-based Unity's.
So, it makes sense for Canonical not to artificially add whizzbang gimmickry to 15.10, especially since people who decry the lack of new features in this release would simply turn around and bash Canonical for adding the new stuff.
36 • Home computers (by fox on 2015-11-02 11:50:02 GMT from North America)
My five computers in the home are partly the result of my transitioning from Mac to Linux; something I have been doing slowly and carefully for the last three years. My rigs:
Desktop 1: iMac running MacOSX Yosemite. This is the "home" computer used mostly by my wife.
Desktop 2: Mac mini running MacOSX El Capitan. I am a beta tester of this for Apple.
Desktop 3: Mac mini dual boot Ubuntu 15.10 and Yosemite. This is my transition computer, and I am doing more and more of my work on Ubuntu.
Laptop 1: Acer Timeline 1810tz running Ubuntu 14.04, Crunching Plus Plus, openSUSE 13.2 and Windows 10. This is the one I use to try out new distros.
Laptop 2: Toshiba Satellite z830 running Ubuntu 14.04 and Windows 7. Intended as a replacement for my MacBook Air (kept at work) when I fully transition, my successes with the Mac mini now have me thinking that when I'm ready, I'll just put Ubuntu onto the better quality MacBook Air.
Incidentally, upgrading from Ubuntu 15.04 to 15.10 on my Mac mini did give me one very tangible benefit - wireless now reconnects automatically when I wake the computer. In 15.04, the only way I could get the wireless back was to "connect to a hidden network".
37 • Finally No Windows (by John on 2015-11-02 12:52:08 GMT from North America)
Now enjoying a completely Windows free home.
I have 2 laptops running Elementary OS
Wife has a laptop running Elementary OS
Shared laptop in living room for playing music etc... running Elementary OS
1 old Macbook running OSX
Don't miss Windows at all :-)
38 • Number of Computers (by John Wilson on 2015-11-02 13:13:32 GMT from Europe)
As my main PC gets quite a hammering I have several backup machines. It is not unusual for ATX power supplies to die immediately after the warranty period ends (I suspect they are designed to expire after a certain period of time). I also have a laptop which I carry about.
Everything (except a tablet with Android) runs Debian 8.1 which is stable and capable. I used to have Slackware on everything - but that distro seems to be less of a contender and more of a niche operating system now. I did love it though!
39 • @12: Fairly Reticent: (by dragonmouth on 2015-11-02 13:15:36 GMT from North America)
And sometimes the idea is to make superficial changes just to make changes and be able to claim that the latest version is New and Improved.
40 • # of computers (by Karl Mueller on 2015-11-02 13:27:09 GMT from North America)
Had to think about this one. I guess I'm an addict. I like to build/rebuild, and sometimes people bring me machines. Sometimes I give them away, too. Anyway, counting the 3 Android tablets (a Nook HD, Ematics 7-inch quad core that I got from Walmart for $40, and a 32GB HP Touchpad running WebOS and ported to Android in a dual boot) I have 12. Of the 9 non-Android machines, 4 are laptops, 2 running Windows 10 Pro, 1 running Mageia, and 1 running PCLinuxOS. The desktops run Windows 7 Home, Windows 7 Pro, Windows 10 Home, a machine on the Windows Insider Program running the latest beta of Windows 10, and another currently running the latest Sabayon release. Hardware is mostly AMD in the desktops, with 2 APU hybrid boxes (both Windows since that stuff doesn't work as well in Linux), and the laptops are all Intel powered. Since I either built or rebuilt every one of them, they're like my family. Would you sell your kids? Exactly. Sometimes I let one of my boxes get "adopted", but you'd better show some parenting skills to get one...
41 • computers (by pcninja on 2015-11-02 13:31:02 GMT from North America)
I only have 1 5/6-year old budget Acer laptop and one partially build Pentium G desktop.
42 • No Windows soon no Ubuntu based distro (by herold on 2015-11-02 13:46:40 GMT from Europe)
Ubuntu: actually worked out-of-the-box without hours of fiddling and fixing things up.
Sorry in my experience only after it got a decent desktop choice and was fixed by Mint team.
My home has 5 Computers running. I tried several times and editions Ubuntu installed on only one without trouble, hogged memory and a very ugly desktop as delivered.
I am moving from Mint on Ubuntu base to LMDE, less bloat and faster. Debian Edition in the name which I feel is much fairer to the guys at Debian who built the base system on top of which Ububntu trys to tell the world it invented the first great linux.
No way there are are a lot of great variations built on the Linux Kernel.
43 • Opinion poll Issue No.634 (by Jiri on 2015-11-02 13:57:28 GMT from Europe)
Main desktop: i7-5820K, 64GB RAM, 2x 480 SSD, 2x 3TB WD. OS = Win7/Oracle Linux 6.7/VMware ESXi Free. Main purpose = database server (DB2), virtualization (Scientific Linux, OpenSUSE, Manjaro)
Main laptop: i7-2720QM, 16GB RAM, 1x 480 SSD. OS = Linux Mint (Cinnamon). Main purpose = programming (Python), databases (DB2, Firebird, MySQL, PostgreSQL)
Additional laptop: i7-4600U, 8GB RAM, 1x 256 SSD. OS = Manjaro 15.09 (xfce). Main purpose = programming (Python), databases playing, book writing (LyX)
44 • Computers in the house. (by Harry on 2015-11-02 14:15:41 GMT from North America)
Main is running Mint 17.2, Peppermint 6, win 10 (For games only)
Second runs Mint 17.2, Peppermint 5, PCLOS, win 10( again for games only.)
Third runs Mint 17.2, Peppermint 6, win 10(Quicken)
Laptop Peppermint, 17.2, Peppermint 6.
Fifth runs win 98 for older games.
Have a total of 29 computers currently in the house. Oldest is a Commodore Vic-20, from 1981. All work but 2.
45 • Ubuntu review (by Paraquat on 2015-11-02 14:23:13 GMT from Asia)
Jesse was far too kind to Ubuntu. Version 15.10 completes the process of shoving systemd down everyone's throats - that's its main feature.
Once my favorite distro, but now I don't even want to hear about Ubuntu. Sad.
46 • Number of home computers (by lee on 2015-11-02 15:10:20 GMT from North America)
I sort my devices by screen:
Mint-MATE to TV
I lack any wrist screens like Apple Watch or head screens like Goggle Glass or VR.
As a senior, I spend a lot of my time in my recliner, a mouse on the armrest,
8 feet from my TV connected to an old dell running Linux. (MATE or Gnome 2)
We have two tablets: an iPad 1 and a Samsung 7in.
Some day my 10in touch screen laptop will have its Win 10 replaced with a Linux.
All of our devices including the wife's iPhone were acquired as used or recycled.
47 • Computer's in the house (by Ralph DeWitt-Golden on 2015-11-02 15:12:39 GMT from North America)
Computer #1 is my main machine running Manjaro
Computer #2 is my spouse's machine running latest Opensuse
Computer #3 is a spare laptop running Manjaro as a test machine
Computer #4 is a no longer used windows machine, it was hooked up to a Yamaha keyboard but is now decommissioned.
Computer #5 is a old windows 98 machine that ran a few old must have windows submarine simulator games. This machine is also now decommissioned.
48 • Opinion Poll (by Michael J King on 2015-11-02 15:14:18 GMT from Europe)
My main laptop dies last year so my Hard drive that has an install of Xubuntu 15.05 lives in a hard drive caddy between my wife's windows machine and my Dell Chromebook 11, I Boot the Chromebook into Xubuntu to edit videos in openshot, work in Gimp etc, I have an assortment of USB drives with live versions of Peppermint OS, Linuxmint mate and Puppy linux that get used at different times.
49 • Number of computers (by David on 2015-11-02 16:14:33 GMT from Europe)
Desktop (home built) running CentOS with Gnome 2, Laptop (IBM Thinkpad) running Salix with Xfce, and first-month-of-issue Spectrum as an ornament.
50 • My computer equipment (by Junkman51 on 2015-11-02 17:03:30 GMT from North America)
For 4 1/2 years my main computer was a SONY Vaio laptop with Windows 7 Home Premium on the hard drive and various Linux distros on a flash drive.
A month or 2 ago, it died and the replacement is a Lenovo Thinkpad W541 with a core i7 processor, 256 gigabyte SSD, 16 gigabytes of RAM (with room for 16 more), running Windows 7 Professional on the SSD and on a flash drive Irun the Linux flavor of the moment, currently Peppermint 6. This is my main computer.
The main desktop is used mostly by my wife for church related publications, a custom built Windows 8.1 computer with Asus motherboard, i7 processor, 120 GB SSD, 1 terabyte spinning HD, 16 gigs of RAM (with room for 16 more).
My 2nd desktop is an HP Pavilion "Junkenstein monster" with an AMD Phenom quad core processor, 4 gigs of RAM, a 400 gigabyte hard drive, and old NVIDEA video card, running my Linux flavor of the moment, currently Peppermint 6.
I also have 2 android devices, a Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 Lite and a Samsung Rugby smart phone.
In my computer boneyard I have about 6 laptops and about 12 desktops for parts/rebuilding as Linux machines for people who need a computer.
51 • Opinion Poll (by Edwardcr on 2015-11-02 17:03:56 GMT from North America)
My friends and family know that I like to play around with computers, so from time to time they give me computers that they have stopped using due to various problems, and I fix them up, keep some, and give away others. The only computers on this list that I have bought are my wife and my primary computers.
My primary laptop, Dell Precision, Linux Mint Xfce 17.2, Linux Mint Kde 17, Windows 7
My hobby desktop, Dell Optiplex 755, Linux Mint Xfce 17.2, Windows 7
My old primary desktop, custom built, Linux Mint Xfce 13, Windows xp
Wife's laptop, Lenovo Yoga, Windows 8.1
Wife's old laptop, now my hobby laptop, Dell D630, Linux Mint Cinnamon 17, Windows 7
Media center laptop, Dell XPS, Linux Mint Xfce 17, Windows 7
Print server laptop, Dell D610, Windows xp
Older son's laptop, Dell XPS, Linux Mint Xfce 17, Windows 7
Younger son's laptop, Dell XPS, Linux Mint Xfce 17, Windows 7
General purpose laptop, Dell E1505, Linux Mint Xfce 17.2, Windows Vista
52 • One Home Computer Running Ubuntu & Debian (by Muthu on 2015-11-02 17:17:03 GMT from Asia)
My Desktop is a home built one running Sparky Linux with KDE(Latest Plasma Version) and Voyager X2 with XFCE(Ubuntu Latest LTS Verson). I Use Sparky Linux(Debian) and My Wife love to Use Voyager X2(Ubuntu).
53 • opinion poll (by hotdiggettydog on 2015-11-02 18:08:38 GMT from North America)
I have a desktop and five laptops.
Desktop runs Mint 17 as host OS. Four Vbox OS which are; Peppermint, Lite, Bsd, and the new buntu Mate. Most of my work is done on Peppermint. Lite is locked down for business activity only. Buntu Mate seems quite nice and fast as well.
Newer laptops are running Peppermint. There is an older Mint Xfce and buntu Xfce in the mix and a netbook running buntu lxde.
I've given away two laptops. Oldest ran Pclos. The other had obscure display hardware and ran HandyLinux well.
54 • Um, do I have computers, yes, I have computers (by Charles Marslett on 2015-11-02 18:26:32 GMT from North America)
My PCs range from an old Tektronix 7th edition development system, two 8-bit Atari computers and a Z80 CP/M box to 4 Intel customer reference boards to 2 21st century servers, a MacBook Pro, 3 Dell Latitude laptops and an HP laptop.
I hope it is unnecessary to say I have been developing software for several decades!
55 • opinion poll (by Tim Dowd on 2015-11-02 19:06:03 GMT from North America)
I have 4 computers currently.
For my home network I tend to buy used Dell optiplexes that have been pulled from enterprise use. You can get them for 40-80 dollars off ebay and if you throw a GPU in there you've got a great home computer.
Our media center has a Core Duo and is running Debian testing with MATE.
I have an old Pentium 4 that usually is running Debian testing but it's currently got FreeBSD 10.2 on it. This is obviously a quite resource limited computer and I've been really happy with how FreeBSD is handling MATE. I was initially just playing around with it but I'm going to stick with FreeBSD a while. It is mostly for web browsing and word processing.
I don't have a toaster running NetBSD but I do have an iMac G4 that sits next to my toaster and displays recipes while I'm cooking. It's running NetBSD 6.15 and XFCE. The gooseneck monitor is pretty awesome on a kitchen counter. I get around the fact it's so limited in resources by tunneling X over ssh and actually running most programs on one of the other computers.
I have a Raspberry Pi Model B that's just sitting around right now. I'm planning on it being in my kid's room and streaming videos via Kodi from the media center.
That's it. I have two classroom laptops that run Ubuntu MATE 15.10 and they're sometimes home getting upgraded or doing schoolwork at home. My wife has a laptop running OSX and it's home a lot. We use Banshee on the media center and open it via X over ssh on all of these computers.
On the topic of Ubuntu, I have to agree with those who are defending 15.10. Part of the reason for "stagnation" is that Linux desktop software is getting really mature and doesn't really need to have big changes. A couple of exceptions are LibreOffice 5 and Kodi. As someone pointed out to me a couple of weeks ago on this forum, Libre Office's graphing capabilities now equal Excel's. Kodi seems to keep improving rapidly as well. So upgrades from 15.04 to 15.10 give access to some software that really is getting a lot better.
Ubuntu is not my first choice, but it does play a role in the FOSS world and that is that once set up it can be entirely kept up to date via GUI tools, including upgrading to the next release. That's why its a great choice for spreading Linux to people that wouldn't try it on their own. I can get Ubuntu MATE set up on an old computer for them and there's nothing to keep them from running it indefinitely. I expect these laptops to eventually go to other teachers and that's why they're running Ubuntu- it means I won't have to intervene once they leave my room.
56 • Stand up and be counted (by Microlinux on 2015-11-02 19:15:54 GMT from Europe)
Ten computers here (server, workstation, desktops, laptops), all running either MLES or MLED.
57 • So many computers... (by Stuart Gibson on 2015-11-02 20:37:45 GMT from Europe)
1x custom desktop Core2quad 8Gb ram 4TB HDD, Windows 7 x64 Ultimate / PC-BSD / ubuntu
1x custom laptop Core i7 32Gb ram 1x 1TB SSD, 1x 2TB SSD, Windows 7 x64 Pro.
1x Thinkpad X61 Core2duo 4Gb ram 500Gb HDD Windows XP Pro / Arch LInux
1x Thinkpad T61P Core2duo 8Gb ram 500Gb HDD Windows 7 x64 Pro / Linux Mint
1x Thinkpad X220 Tablet Core i5 16Gb ram Windows 7 x64 Pro / Linux Mint
1x Thinkpad X220 laptop Core i5 8Gb ram / Dragonfly / Debian / Slackware
58 • @1 Again with the opinion poll (by Marti on 2015-11-02 21:08:23 GMT from North America)
Someday I want to be a REAL user...with Frugalware or Sabayon. Don't know if I'll ever see it.
59 • Ubuntu Review (by Tom on 2015-11-02 21:17:24 GMT from Europe)
Yes, stability and reliability are important, but I remember a time when every new Ubuntu release had something exciting with it. Following was a time with controversial changes such as the Amazon lens (which still is active by default in 15.10, despite promised otherwise). Meanwhile, it seems like the desktop has taken backseat while everybody at Canonical is working on mobile and Unity 8 which keeps being postponed on the desktop release after release. It's about time for something exciting again!
60 • opinion poll (by hotdiggettydog on 2015-11-02 21:38:13 GMT from North America)
Desktop with Mint 17 as host OS. 4 vbox OS - Peppermint, Lite, Bsd, and Ubuntu Mate. Most everything is done on Peppermint and the new buntu mate is crisp.
Various laptops running Peppermint mostly. There is an old Mint xfce and buntu xfce in the mix on old machines.
I moved to buntu based OS for the long term releases and the relatively painless upgrades and updates. Not too mention the availability of more software.
61 • # of computers (by Ken on 2015-11-03 00:48:51 GMT from North America)
11 operational systems here including 3 laptops. All but 2 are multi-boot with Linux and various flavors of Winders.
The one in my shop that I'm on now has XP, x64 XP, x64 Vista, x64 7, x64 Ubuntu 14.04.2, x64 Mint 17.2 and x64 Win 10 Pro.
So you might say that I'm a full fledged geek that also loves Hot Rods (my website)
62 • home computers (by jamie turnage on 2015-11-03 00:53:50 GMT from North America)
i have 5 computers 3 are laptops one laptop is a hp 8440p the other laptop is a hp 2000 and the desktop amd a-10 with ubuntu 15.10 runs great i have a laptop its a hp ze4547 it cant run modern linux can linux people make a modern linux for this laptop i been using linux since it came out oh i wish ubuntu 15.10 was a lts i have a mirrus desktop old getting hard to run modern linux thank you
63 • Computers bought from pawnshops (by Tran Older on 2015-11-03 04:04:38 GMT from Asia)
1. A Road Apple running modified Debian Linux
2. A x86 Webtop dual-booted into Haiku and Icaros. Curiously enough, both non-Linux OS rarely crashed inspite of being at Beta stage.
3. An Atom laptop dual-booted Bodhi Linux and Cinnarch. I have tried to install Cinnamon on the latest Antergos but that's not working, so far.
And I have kept the original Walnut Creek and Iggdrasil CDs in very safe place, just in case of a Martian/Uranian/Plutonian invation ;-)
64 • number of computers (by Hoos on 2015-11-03 09:05:31 GMT from Asia)
I see that there are lots of mentions of Linux Mint.
4 computers here, plus a few tablets.
1. main PC - multibooting more than 10 distros, but when I need to concentrate and get work done, I tend to gravitate to Mint Cinnamon 17.2, MX14, Manjaro.
2. laptop - multibooting a few distros (Windows 7 partition retained but hasn't been accessed for a long time)
3. old netbook - MX14
4. oldish iMac
Tablets - all family members use Android except my mother (iPad).
This household is almost completely Windows-free.
65 • # of computers & the real problem with Ubuntu (by M.Z. on 2015-11-03 18:16:27 GMT from North America)
I'm running 4 main computers -
1) an old 32 bit PC set up as firewall system running pfSense
2) another old 32 bit system used as a back up running Mint Debian Mate & Mageia XFCE
3) my main desktop with PCLOS & an unused copy of Windows
4) my laptop with Mint 17.x KDE, Mageia KDE, & LMDE Cinnamon
@45 - the real problem with Ubuntu
I get that there are some controversial aspects to systemd, but I don't get how it was ever half as important to any Ubuntu user as the spyware in Unity. I really don't see how init is any more than a minor background issue for 90%+ of Linux Desktop users, but privacy is something that all users should demand. It currently looks like Ubuntu is still shipping with spyware enable by default in their flagship version & not much has changed with regard to how this is acknowledged. I would also note that neither of the reviews I've read so far say anything about a real fix for the spyware 'feature'. The Ubuntu team are still shipping something that will compromise the privacy of unaware users & this a serious issue directly affecting many users. Most users probably won't even notice systemd, but those who care about those sort of technical details have plenty of information upon which to make an informed decision thanks to the release notes; however, unaware users are still being served spyware by default with no direct acknowledgement.
The fact is that canonical is benefiting financially from distributing spyware & is acting in a deeply unethical manor. This is the issue that should be fixed & the one far more likely to be shoved 'down the throats' of unaware users who can & should care about their privacy. If you care about technical details like systemd read the release notes & switch to PCLOS of some other distros if you want to, but it seems fairly minor to me. On the other hand if you care at all about your privacy you should stop using anything branded by Ubuntu, because they are profiting from shipping spyware & making endless delays in their so called 'fix' for this situation. I think Canonical have tainted the Ubuntu brand for all users who care about privacy & know of Canonical's corporate practices. Given how much good had Ubuntu had done for Linux on the desktop I think their continued use of spyware is the truly sad situation here.
66 • tainted brand (by Tim Dowd on 2015-11-03 19:07:37 GMT from North America)
I agree nearly 100% with your analysis of all this stuff.
I only have one small disagreement, and that's about the Ubuntu brand.
I stopped using Ubuntu over the spyware. I don't think that this taints Ubuntu MATE, or Xubuntu, or any of the others. Surely if there were any other "phone home" stuff people would have found it. The community supported distros don't have the spyware and certainly aren't any worse choices than the derivatives that use the Ubuntu base.
67 • Poll & Ubuntu (by Sam on 2015-11-03 20:00:37 GMT from North America)
Ubuntu: so what is the answer rather than pushing out "boring" releases every 6 months which could, potentially, introduce bugs or other hiccups for upgrading users? A rolling release model? Point releases with major updates every few months? An old-school Windows or Apple release schedule where a new release comes only when Canonical is introducing significant changes?
Poll: Right now:
Daily use: 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13"
Daily use: Microsoft Surface 3
Occasional Use: Lenovo Flex 3 dual booting Windows 10 and Mint.
68 • Ubuntu and systemd (by nolinuxguru on 2015-11-03 20:18:56 GMT from Europe)
@65 I get that you were upset at discovering that Ubuntu Inc were spying on their users, but at least you got the option of switching to any other non-Ubuntu distro, of which were are many.
The situation with systemd and Debian is that systemd has infected almost all of the major distros, leaving just Slackware and Gentoo. I really liked Debian and still cannot find a replacement that I can get along with [and I have tried many, including "PCLOS"].
I am sure that many will use Debian 8 or the other systemd distros, oblivious of the 550,000 lines of relatively new code under the bonnet [hood]. But my skin crawled at the prospect.
69 • Poll (by Jordan on 2015-11-03 20:45:19 GMT from North America)
Just two machines now. The third one, the oldest, died. Yeah it died. The screen gradually went dark on brightest setting. Fixed it once and then the fan burned out. Loved that old HP. I'm blaming Fiorina, though.
It had Mint 17 on it.
Now it's this newer HP with Windows 10. No plans to replace the OS, but I do plan to get another laptop for Linux.
Other machine is Windows 10 also. It will remain Windows also.
70 • @66 car analogy (by M.Z. on 2015-11-03 21:21:52 GMT from North America)
Thanks, & I have to admit that I don't like the idea of guilt by association nor do I want to falsely claim that there is spyware in the non Unity versions of Ubuntu, but let me make a car analogy. If I'm mad about VW & their very intentional efforts to cheat on emissions tests with their diesel cars, what sense would it make to go buy a new Jetta/Beetle etc. right now because 'it's the gas powered version so why does it matter?'. Wouldn't buying such a vehicle, or one of their Audi luxury cars for that matter, be giving direct support to an organization I'm supposedly mad at? I'll admit that there isn't the direct financial link with using a distro that there is with buying a car, but isn't using any version of Ubuntu showing some form of support to Ubuntu?
Why not switch to something else from a more ethical source if you don't like what has happened to the main edition of Ubuntu? I don't think Linux users are in any way lacking for good alternatives to Ubuntu branded distros & I think it makes pragmatic sense to switch if you care about your privacy. This is doubly true if you stop using Ubuntu & tell Canonical why & it goes triple if there is any negative impact on the rate of Ubuntu downloads. If enough users demand change we may eventually receive it.
71 • glad to have gotten rid of my vw (by Tim Dowd on 2015-11-03 21:51:32 GMT from North America)
I do see your point. My understanding of the Ubuntu respins are that they are independent distros that use the Ubuntu base. If I recall correctly leadership decisions are fairly independent- so much so that I think the Kubuntu people are fighting a lot with Canonical these days.
There are a lot of good distros out there, but what makes Ubuntu Mate worth sticking up for (at least to me) is that it really does just work. I might have to do a little work in dpkg or CUPS setting up a computer for a friend, but after that they don't need to know anything about Unix, ever. That's not ideal but it at least has given people more freedom.
I don't think systemd needs to be purged from everything (I think Debian Stretch, currently in testing, is the finest operating system I've ever used) but there are some other good choices too. FreeBSD isn't hard to get going on the desktop, and there was just a positive review of GhostBSD here as well. There's still plenty of good choice.
72 • Purge systemd? (by nolinuxguru on 2015-11-03 22:39:58 GMT from Europe)
@71 I wouldn't dream of purging systemd from Debian 8 or any of the others. I just dislike the way things are going with Linux. It will not be long before distros like PCLinuxOS and Slackware can no longer use many of the packages that make systemd a hard dependency. As much as I admire the BSDs from afar, it is just a matter of time until they too are affected.
73 • Fedora 23 64 bit download (by Chris Hoyt on 2015-11-04 00:11:07 GMT from North America)
I've downloaded Fedora 23 64 bit Workstation (Gnome), both Live and Net Install.
The live disk wouldn't burn. Brasero failed at 25 %. Net Install burned successfully, but wouldn't boot. "Errors on disk".
The 32 bit version, Live, Workstation (Gnome). Worked just fine. I've installed it on two computers.
74 • Opinion Poll-Number of computers at home (by Brandon Huber on 2015-11-04 00:14:52 GMT from North America)
1 Desktop - (PC: AMD 6 Core) Fedora 22
#1 Laptop - (Dell: i7) Fedora 20 Gnome,Kde,Cinnamon: Soon to be Fedora 23
#2 Laptop - (Lenovo: Core 2 Dual) Fedora 20 Xfce: Soon to be Fedora 23
#3 Laptop - (Toshiba: AMD Dual Core) Win 7 Home: Soon to be Mint Cinnamon 17.02
#4 Laptop - (Lenovo: i7) Win 8.1 Home
#5 Laptop (Dell: i7)- Win 7 Pro: Soon to dual boot with Ubuntu 15.10
#6 Laptop (Gateway: Intel Dual-Core) - Zentyal 3.0-1
+ Younger brother laptop Fedora 20 Gnome,Cinnamon
+ Tablet running Android 3.0 with Ubuntu 14.04
There is some upgrades to do around here when I get laid-off this fall.
75 • Opinion Poll (by cykodrone on 2015-11-04 00:14:57 GMT from North America)
Hmm, I have 3 operating system drives, a main/daily OS SSD, a backup OS SSD and a 'tester' HDD, all in the same machine. I also have 2 the same size HDDs for storage, which are mirrored with luckyBackup. That's FIVE drives, one computer, which I chose in the poll. I used to be a hardware junky and had multiple machines and boxes of parts, but I got sick of it, everything in one case is fine by me, I have a power supply that can handle all I can throw at it.
76 • Fedora (by Chris Hoyt on 2015-11-04 06:21:38 GMT from North America)
What happened to Adam Williamson, the Fedora employee? He used to respond to comments about Fedora on this page.
77 • Debian & systemd & distros (by zcatav on 2015-11-04 08:12:47 GMT from Europe)
I love Debian, I choose Debian.
Debian provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 43000 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine.
I don't love systemd. Main obstacle is absent packages in other distros. Even if Debian GNU/kFreBSD hasn't all of packages that I need them.
IMHO Only antiX may be an alternative.
78 • #72 (by jadecat09 on 2015-11-04 08:30:02 GMT from Europe)
The BSDs may be getting Launchd.
79 • @73 Fedora (by kc1di on 2015-11-04 09:23:17 GMT from North America)
Downloade 64 bit mate spin of fedora 23 here and all went well install just fine. -- So far looks pretty good. but will test more as time goes on. Now to get rpmfusion to cooperate.
80 • chakra based not on arch (by tom on 2015-11-04 10:08:31 GMT from Europe)
chakra is indipendent for some years and based not on arch any more.
81 • Number of computers (by Voncloft on 2015-11-04 11:52:24 GMT from North America)
I have a "Pizza box" server - its at home and it is a PC so it counts lol.
16 GB of ram
2 dual core ATOM CPU's
Anyway it is a Gentoo Router (I programmed it from the ground up),firewall,NAS,DNS server,Virtual Machine Server, Apache Webserver, RSYNC server (for my other Gentoo boxes),torrent grabber (flexget script gets all my tv shows so I don't have to do a search everyday manually, then puts the torrents in a folder, and Deluge 'watches' the folder and downloads immediately), a Radio Website (subsonic) - all rolled into one and more things I can't think to list at the moment.
Also have a laptop
Gentoo and Windows Dualboot
And a Desktop:
32 GB of ram
i7 Core processor (2.8 GHz)
2 TB hdd
4 GB VRAM Nvidia Card - might dual in the future.
Gentoo and Windows
82 • computers (by Kazlu on 2015-11-04 14:54:22 GMT from Europe)
- a fairly recent and fairly good desktop PC for entertainment (watching videos, video editing, websurfing from my couch) connected to my TV and controlled by wireless keyboard and mouse. Running Ubuntu Studio 15.04 with MATE desktop. This computer came preinstalled with Windows 8.1 but I only booted once by mistake, when I had not found yet the correct button to access EFI and disable fastboot...
- an 8 years old laptop (core2duo and 2GB RAM) for work and backup. Running on Debian Wheezy.
- a 3 years old netbook for when I am on the move. Running Linux Mint MATE 17.1 as a backup and on which I am testing Mageia 5 Xfce. Great distro so far by the way, I might make it my default OS.
- considering the build of a home server. I have not decided yet to go for a Raspberry Pi or for a second hand netbook that I could get for peanuts. Will have Raspbian or Mageia probably.
- oh and I could count my old PIII computer with 512MB RAM that I keep running with Lubuntu 14.04 for now. I don't use it any longer but I want to see what I can still run with such an old machine. It still works so I want to keep it running.
I have no tablet, I am much better off with my much much more flexible netbook despite its poor performance. I would feel so limited with a tablet...
83 • netbook (by Tim Dowd on 2015-11-04 18:53:43 GMT from North America)
I'm with you on netbooks. I busted mine last year and I really miss it. The idea of a flexible tiny useful laptop was a great idea. The reason the public hated them was most of them shipped with Windows 7 Starter which made them bad.Once they got some Linux distro they were great.
84 • @83 netbooks (by Kazlu on 2015-11-05 11:57:23 GMT from Europe)
Yes indeed. To be honest, mine was shipped with Ubuntu 12.04 preinstalled and it was not a good OS choice either. I suppose the idea was to remove the cost of a Windows licence to have a very low cost computer, but Unity on Atom CPU... It has always been very laggy, from day one. Simply throwing Xfce of LXDE desktop instead made the computer decent, sadly if you don't know that I can see why some consider the computer is crap, or worse, that Linux in its entirety is crap if it's their first Linux experience... Even with a lightweight desktop, the computer does not become a fast one, but the performance gets decent and you still benefit from the very low power consumption of the Atom CPU, which means the computer has a very long battery life (claimed 11 hours, in practice I can get 6-7 hours still today with activities such as desktop work, websurfing and watching video). All in all, I am very satisfied with it.
85 • systemd vs spyware (by M.Z. on 2015-11-05 19:14:31 GMT from North America)
You seem to be missing a main point as per my previous comment- "compromise the privacy of unaware users", with emphasis on the unaware part. I was never into Ubuntu all that much to begin with & I've generally used multiple distros interchangeably so a problem in one won't affect me. My issue is with the repeated attacks against the privacy of less informed new users that are a key target of Ubuntu. When the Ubuntu folks were acting ethically their efforts at expanding the Linux user base were very commendable, but now targeting less aware new users feels a bit predatory to me. If & when such new users find out those that care about privacy may well feel violated & turn away from Linux completely, because if you can't trust one of the biggest names in desktop Linux which version can you trust? From what I know virtually all big names in the Linux word are far more trustworthy, but violated users may well turn away from Linux completely & Canonical's lack of ethics will have damaged the reputation of Linux permanently with such users. I know more than I want to about systemd & still don't care, but if Ubuntu damages the reputation of Linux that is a real issue for me.
86 • spyware and s... (by nolinuxguru on 2015-11-05 23:21:51 GMT from Europe)
@85 I did not miss the point of what you are saying re: spyware, and I agree with you that if users were aware of it then they could be put off Linux completely and walk away in disgust. However, this Ubuntu spying has been going on and known about for years. The numbers of Ubuntu users has not reduced much in the years when I have kept an eye on distro-watch [it has always been in the top three]. I do not know if the numbers discovering Ubuntu is balanced by those walking away in disgust, or if people remain unaware the spying. Perhaps Ubuntu attracts people to Linux in the first place and then, for whatever reason, they migrate to other distros. I don't know. Perhaps this would be a valuable question to ask in a Poll.
On a wider issue, there is a need for easy-to-use tools for monitoring whether web sites or malware are "phoning home". Programs like Wireshark etc are not at all user friendly. I think most users will be equipped by their distro with a simple firewall [eg gufw], but don't know how they could be made of information leaking from their browser. I have to go away and think about this.
See, I didn't mention the s-word in my reply!
87 • Number of computers (by Karl on 2015-11-06 06:57:51 GMT from North America)
I have a few old pcs for parts, a work station in my son's room, a laptop my wife pays bills on, a pc for testing distros (and just general abuse) and then my pride and joy connected to the tv in the living room.
88 • bet you don't have one of these (by gnomic on 2015-11-06 07:33:03 GMT from Oceania)
Anyone else out there with a PowerBook 3400? Running one of the last versions of the late lamented SuSE PPC. Just asking :-) A museum piece now but in the early years of the century could still bring in email and even browse the web as it was then.
"The PowerBook 3400c, running a PowerPC 603e processor at 180 to -240 MHz, was designed as a no compromise laptop and was billed as the world’s fastest notebook computer when it was introduced in early 1997."
89 • boxen (by rss on 2015-11-07 08:26:52 GMT from North America)
1 mac mini OS X (wife's)
1 mac mini Xubuntu 14.04 (mine)
1 mac mini Mint 17.1 fileserver/ XP + MS Office 10 host
1 mac mini not in use / parts
1 mac G5 Ubuntu 12.04 backup webserver
1 PIII Ubuntu 12.04 web server
1 PII 486 firewall IPcop (soon to be pfsense)
1 PIII backup firewall IPcop
1 PIII parts
1 ancient laptop LXDE network troubleshooting etc.
Full cisco IOS lab (5 or 6 routers, switches, etc.)
various hubs, mobile phones
1 ex sysadmin
90 • @77 Debian package (by linuxista on 2015-11-08 03:00:51 GMT from North America)
In my experience Arch/Manjaro has the most available packages. More than Ubuntu even with the ppas, and more than Debian. For example, Sigil, a great ebook editor, was unavailable for Debian until this year, but you could get it for Ubuntu through a ppa or just normally as a binary in the Arch repos. As it seems important to you, Manjaro also has a non-Systemd OpenRC version.
91 • Manjaro-OpenRC and s.. (by nolinuxguru on 2015-11-08 11:07:56 GMT from Europe)
@90 and others: has anyone actually tried Manjaro-OpenRC? I don't mean in VirtualBox, but on an actual computer. Maybe I was unlucky, but on my computer, it froze for a few seconds every 20s or so. Very disconcerting when typing and nothing comes out.
I have tried all the distros trotted out as places that Debian refugees can go to if they don't want to use systemd, and they all have things wrong [perhaps not in the same league as Manjaro-OpenRC]; reasons I chose Debian in the first place, until it became infected.
92 • 77 • 90 • 91 ••• Treading water (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2015-11-08 13:48:27 GMT from North America)
"…they all have things wrong…" - a common way to sabotage opposition is to soak up and dissipate resources, keep discontent stirred up, and accomplish as little as absolutely necessary, right?
An infection like creeping dependency-accretion or persistent foundation-breakage isn't easy to eradicate. It's usually fed by a strong motivation like greed. Perhaps you should consider the level of support available, and pitch in (assist development with bug reporting and diagnosis) and encourage someone in your preferred direction?
A wheel that doesn't squeak gets no grease. If you have the energy to complain, why not do it where it will help?
93 • treading water (by nolinuxguru on 2015-11-08 21:29:46 GMT from Europe)
@92 I did not intend to cause offense by my comments. I must learn to think more, say less.
94 • treading water (by nolinuxguru on 2015-11-08 22:05:15 GMT from Europe)
@92 I thought this was a place for the exchange of views. The development of ideas, plans for future projects and even lowly bug reporting happen can and do happen elsewhere.
However, my sadness at the way Linux is going cannot be solved by the sticking plaster of bug reports. The rock that was lifted by the Debian 8 adventure revealed something rather smelly. We have become dependent on projects that are funded and run by large corporations that do whatever they want. The illusion of many many independent distros may be short-lived. Perhaps the time has come for a radical rethink of the way software is created. Even with projects like suckless.org pushing at the boundaries, we are still stuck with a linux kernel that is 15-20 million lines of code; more than 1000x bigger than the first version.
95 • @91 Manjaro Open-RC (by linuxista on 2015-11-09 00:04:48 GMT from North America)
I'm afraid I haven't, as I prefer Systemd. All I can say is in general the distro is very actively developed and very high quality. You might want to wait for the next release if the current OpenRC version is buggy. Chances are good they'll have it worked out shortly.
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|• Issue 779 (2018-09-03): Redcore 1806, keeping ISO downloads safe from tampering, Lubuntu makes Calamares more flexible, Ubuntu improves GNOME performance|
|• Issue 778 (2018-08-27): GuixSD 0.15.0, ReactOS 0.4.9, Steam supports Windows games on Linux, Haiku plans for beta, merging disk partitions|
|• Issue 777 (2018-08-20): YunoHost 126.96.36.199, limiting process resource usage, converting file systems on Fedora, Debian turns 25, Lubuntu migrating to Wayland|
|• Issue 776 (2018-08-13): NomadBSD 1.1, Maximum storage limits on Linux, openSUSE extends life for 42.3, updates to the Librem 5 phone interface|
|• Issue 775 (2018-08-06): Secure-K OS 18.5, Linux is about choice, Korora tests community spin, elementary OS hires developer, ReactOS boots on Btrfs|
|• Issue 774 (2018-07-30): Ubuntu MATE & Ubuntu Budgie 18.04, upgrading software from source, Lubuntu shifts focus, NetBSD changes support policy|
|• Issue 773 (2018-07-23): Peppermint OS 9, types of security used by different projects, Mint reacts to bugs in core packages, Slackware turns 25|
|• Issue 772 (2018-07-16): Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre 0.2.4, UBports running desktop applications, OpenBSD auto-joins wi-fi networks, boot environments and zedenv|
|• Issue 771 (2018-07-09): Linux Lite 4.0, checking CPUs for bugs, configuring GRUB, Mint upgrade instructions, SUSE acquired by EQT|
|• Issue 770 (2018-07-02): Linux Mint 19, Solus polishes desktop experience, MintBox Mini 2, changes to Fedora's installer|
|• Issue 769 (2018-06-25): BunsenLabs Helium, counting Ubuntu users, UBports upgrading to 16.04, Fedora CoreOS, FreeBSD turns 25|
|• Issue 768 (2018-06-18): Devuan 2.0.0, using pkgsrc to manage software, the NOVA filesystem, OpenBSD handles successful cron output|
|• Issue 767 (2018-06-11): Android-x86 7.1-r1, transferring files over OpenSSH with pipes, LFS with Debian package management, Haiku ports LibreOffice|
|• Issue 766 (2018-06-04): openSUSE 15, overview of file system links, Manjaro updates Pamac, ReactOS builds itself, Bodhi closes forums|
|• Issue 765 (2018-05-28): Pop!_OS 18.04, gathering system information, Haiku unifying ARM builds, Solus resumes control of Budgie|
|• Issue 764 (2018-05-21): DragonFly BSD 5.2.0, Tails works on persistent packages, Ubuntu plans new features, finding services affected by an update|
|• Issue 763 (2018-05-14): Fedora 28, Debian compatibility coming to Chrome OS, malware found in some Snaps, Debian's many flavours|
|• Issue 762 (2018-05-07): TrueOS 18.03, live upgrading Raspbian, Mint plans future releases, HardenedBSD to switch back to OpenSSL|
|• Issue 761 (2018-04-30): Ubuntu 18.04, accessing ZFS snapshots, UBports to run on Librem 5 phones, Slackware makes PulseAudio optional|
|• Issue 760 (2018-04-23): Chakra 2017.10, using systemd to hide files, Netrunner's ARM edition, Debian 10 roadmap, Microsoft develops Linux-based OS|
|• Issue 759 (2018-04-16): Neptune 5.0, building containers with Red Hat, antiX introduces Sid edition, fixing filenames on the command line|
|• Issue 758 (2018-04-09): Sortix 1.0, openSUSE's Transactional Updates, Fedora phasing out Python 2, locating portable packages|
|• Issue 757 (2018-04-02): Gatter Linux 0.8, the UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook, Red Hat turns 25, super long term support kernels|
|• Issue 756 (2018-03-26): NuTyX 10.0, Neptune supplies Debian users with Plasma 5.12, SolydXK on a Raspberry Pi, SysV init development|
|• Issue 755 (2018-03-19): Learning with ArchMerge and Linux Academy, Librem 5 runs Plasma Mobile, Cinnamon gets performance boost|
|• Issue 754 (2018-03-12): Reviewing Sabayon and Antergos, the growing Linux kernel, BSDs getting CPU bug fixes, Manjaro builds for ARM devices|
|• Issue 753 (2018-03-05): Enso OS 0.2, KDE Plasma 5.12 features, MX Linux prepares new features, interview with MidnightBSD's founder|
|• Issue 752 (2018-02-26): OviOS 2.31, performing off-line upgrades, elementary OS's new installer, UBports gets test devices, Redcore team improves security|
|• Issue 751 (2018-02-19): DietPi 6.1, testing KDE's Plasma Mobile, Nitrux packages AppImage in default install, Solus experiments with Wayland|
|• Issue 750 (2018-02-12): Solus 3, getting Deb packages upstream to Debian, NetBSD security update, elementary OS explores AppCentre changes|
|• Issue 749 (2018-02-05): Freespire 3 and Linspire 7.0, misunderstandings about Wayland, Xorg and Mir, Korora slows release schedule, Red Hat purchases CoreOS|
|• Issue 748 (2018-01-29): siduction 2018.1.0, SolydXK 32-bit editions, building an Ubuntu robot, desktop-friendly Debian options|
|• Issue 747 (2018-01-22): Ubuntu MATE 17.10, recovering open files, creating a new distribution, KDE focusing on Wayland features|
|• Issue 746 (2018-01-15): deepin 15.5, openSUSE's YaST improvements, new Ubuntu 17.10 media, details on Spectre and Meltdown bugs|
|• Issue 745 (2018-01-08): GhostBSD 11.1, Linspire and Freespire return, wide-spread CPU bugs patched, adding AppImage launchers to the application menu|
|• Issue 744 (2018-01-01): MX Linux 17, Ubuntu pulls media over BIOS bug, PureOS gets endorsed by the FSF, openSUSE plays with kernel boot splash screens|
|• Issue 743 (2017-12-18): Daphile 17.09, tools for rescuing files, Fedora Modular Server delayed, Sparky adds ARM support, Slax to better support wireless networking|
|• Issue 742 (2017-12-11): heads 0.3.1, improvements coming to Tails, Void tutorials, Ubuntu phasing out Python 2, manipulating images from the command line|
|• Issue 741 (2017-12-04): Pop!_OS 17.10, openSUSE Tumbleweed snapshots, installing Q4OS on a Windows partition, using the at command|
|• Issue 740 (2017-11-27): Artix Linux, Unity spin of Ubuntu, Nitrux swaps Snaps for AppImage, getting better battery life on Linux|
|• Issue 739 (2017-11-20): Fedora 27, cross-distro software ports, Ubuntu on Samsung phones, Red Hat supports ARM, Parabola continues 32-bit support|
|• Issue 738 (2017-11-13): SparkyLinux 5.1, rumours about spyware, Slax considers init software, Arch drops 32-bit packages, overview of LineageOS|
|• Issue 737 (2017-11-06): BeeFree OS 18.1.2, quick tips to fix common problems, Slax returning, Solus plans MATE and software management improvements|
|• Issue 736 (2017-10-30): Ubuntu 17.10, "what if" security questions, Linux Mint to support Flatpak, NetBSD kernel memory protection|
|• Issue 735 (2017-10-23): ArchLabs Minimo, building software with Ravenports, WPA security patch, Parabola creates OpenRC spin|
|• Issue 734 (2017-10-16): Star 1.0.1, running the Linux-libre kernel, Ubuntu MATE experiments with snaps, Debian releases new install media, Purism reaches funding goal|
|• Issue 733 (2017-10-09): KaOS 2017.09, 32-bit prematurely obsoleted, Qubes security features, IPFire updates Apache|
|• Issue 732 (2017-10-02): ClonOS, reducing Snap package size, Ubuntu dropping 32-bit Desktop, partitioning disks for ZFS|
|• Issue 731 (2017-09-25): BackSlash Linux Olaf, W3C adding DRM to web standards, Wayland support arrives in Mir, Debian experimenting with AppArmor|
|• Issue 730 (2017-09-18): Mageia 6, running a completely free OS, HAMMER2 file system in DragonFly BSD's installer, Manjaro to ship pre-installed on laptops|
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Sun Java Desktop System
Sun Java Desktop System was a comprehensive, secure, highly affordable enterprise desktop solution that was simple to use and works with existing infrastructure. The software consists of a fully integrated client environment based on open source and standards including a GNOME desktop environment, StarOffice productivity suite, Mozilla browser, Evolution e-mail and calendar client, Java 2 Standard Edition, and a Linux operating system. Future releases of Java Desktop System are planned to support workstations and Sun Ray thin clients running the Solaris Operating System.