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1 • Open/closed source browsers (by snowdust on 2015-10-26 01:07:54 GMT from North America) |
I am currently running Opera 33.0.1990 on LMDE-2 Betsy/MATE + Tanglu 4(daily build)/KDE Plasma-5. I like it a lot, would not go back to Chrome, never liked Firefox. Cheers.
2 • Open/closed source browsers (by Frank on 2015-10-26 01:15:27 GMT from North America)
I use Firefox most of the time, the only reason I use Chrome it to be able to play movies from Amazon prime.
3 • Systemback: Creating Live image of an Ububtu based OS (by Kumaresan on 2015-10-26 01:48:17 GMT from Asia)
One may try Systemback. See http://www.unixmen.com/systemback-restore-linux-system-previous-state/
4 • Open/closed source browsers (by zhymm on 2015-10-26 02:24:18 GMT from North America)
I chose "use either" but most of the time I use Firefox (> 95%) for browsing. Chrome on occasion when I want to look at something on Netflix. And an assortment browsers when I want to check the appearance of formatted documents I've created (guitar tablature, for example) across various platforms before posting.
5 • Open/closed source browsers (by tom joad on 2015-10-26 02:27:00 GMT from Europe)
99.5% of the time I use Firefox. The browser is nice and pretty stable. But I really like the addons I put into it. I can't live with out Noscripts, Ad Blocker Plus and Ghostery. Those work really, really well. There are others I add from time to time. Or I will try other addons too.
As they say, "If it ain't broke...Don't fix it." And I don't.
I have tried Chromium, Chrome and Midori. No thanks. Midori is really clunky if you ask me.
6 • Still Chrome is Best (by Muthu on 2015-10-26 03:06:10 GMT from Asia)
I mostly use Chromium, But Sometimes I use Chrome for some websites which does not work properly in Chromium or Firefox. Chrome is very fast than all other browsers. After Installation of a new Distro, I first try to install chrome using the repositories or using command line.
7 • poll (by Ffox.4me on 2015-10-26 03:54:43 GMT from Europe)
sometimes there is a price to pay to be free. Other browsers may be better here and there, but I still go with Firefox. The more ppl will use/get involved in foss, the higher the probability that open source projects will master with time.
8 • Open/closed source browsers (by Mike on 2015-10-26 04:24:06 GMT from Oceania)
I use Firefox for the add-ons. I like Flagfox, Ad Blocker, Save-To_read. It os also so stable.
9 • Create live ISO (by Gene on 2015-10-26 04:26:02 GMT from North America)
Systemback is great replacement for Remastersys!!
10 • Web Browsers (by zykoda on 2015-10-26 07:25:17 GMT from Europe)
I use a fistful of browsers, each suited to the OS, intended application with absolute minimal adverts. I switch off history, suggestions, cache and cookies with ad blockers. I use search engines tailored to specific content and very few favourites/bookmarks. Mail spam and advertisements are the pain of the web, ...... just like commercial TV.
11 • Open/closed source browsers (by Marame on 2015-10-26 07:26:28 GMT from Europe)
I use Firefox mainly and Slimjet (Chromium-based) secondary. I like Firefox more but when I have to translate text then Chromium-based browsers are far better with their automatic and good working Google translate. There is third party translators for Firefox but they are not so good. I read a lot of Russian websites translated to english but in Firefox it does not work always but the same site in Slimjet works.
12 • Respin (by Francesco on 2015-10-26 07:32:28 GMT from Europe)
I have checked the respin site and the github and the repository is empty.
I haven't tried it yet but this seems a fork of remastersys:
13 • Browsers (by Platypus on 2015-10-26 07:33:55 GMT from Oceania)
I use Firefox almost always but there are some sites that won't work with it so I use either Chrome or Midori.
14 • Web Browsers (by ybolu on 2015-10-26 08:26:36 GMT from Europe)
I use Firefox %99 of time. I use Chromium when I need to use Zenmate add-on for some sites.
I like Firefox because of its many add-ons and its advanced preferences and customization options. I don't like Chrome/Chromium because of its very limited customization.
15 • web_browsers (by mi on 2015-10-26 08:53:24 GMT from Europe)
I use mainly chromium with --profile-directory and --app options, having like that "web apps" to open directly my email, calendar and other specific sites.
16 • Google Chrome (by Stan on 2015-10-26 09:04:59 GMT from Europe)
Chose "I use either as the situation requires", my situation is the one that supports more features, nice account integration, cloud sync and runs fast.
For the moment I'm "stuck" with Google Chrome.
17 • Browsers (by Sebastien on 2015-10-26 09:06:20 GMT from Europe)
I have 3 browsers installed: Opera, Firefox and Chromium
Opera is my favorite. But there some websites that do not fit well with Opera; for instance, the text box of the Distrowatch "Reader comments" section just does not appear in Opera ( so I had to switch to FF to write this !)
When Opera cannot display well the target website, I use Firefox. The major complain I have with firefox is the no choice SSL policy. Sometimes you may want to access some web interface using SSL certs that does not fit firefox policy and FF just refuses to let you go in. I can understand a 3 step warning like in Chrominum but I cannot stand the browser just refuse to work. Same thing with java apps: ok, this version is not secure (a lot of devices use old unsupported java engines); who care as far as those are only reachable through secure channels (such as VPN or tunneling) ? Hate that too.
When FF goes into its SSL histeria, I use Chrominum. Actually I think I would already have replaced FF by Chrominuim if Chrominum had proxy settings included. I use my laptop in several environments, sometimes with proxy required, sometimes without. FF and Opera offer fast proxy on/off plugins while Chromium needs system settings which is not convenient.
18 • Browsers (by Kuno on 2015-10-26 09:32:46 GMT from Europe)
I use palemoon (almost) exclusively.
19 • LiveCD (by Peter086 on 2015-10-26 09:32:56 GMT from Europe)
I must add myself to those who've mentioned Systemback. Been using it for months and it has been easy and trouble-free. The same tool can also create a USB version, besides working as a backup/restore point tool. The only thing I miss is persistence on pendrives; I feed the resulting ISO to Unetbootin to have that feature. Even so, I cannot least than recommend Systemback.
20 • FOSS browsers and Mr. Riddel (by cykodrone on 2015-10-26 09:41:08 GMT from North America)
I started using Firefox before Windows became mobile light refractor hanging from a piece of fishing line. I refuse to use ANYTHING Goggle, when they stop breaking privacy laws and producing snoopware, I may consider it.
Ubuntu losing Mr. Riddel is KDE's gain, his departure doesn't surprise me given the 'culture' at the mothership. $10 says he winds up on the Debian KDE team. ;)
21 • Browser Poll (by Ari Torres on 2015-10-26 10:32:34 GMT from North America)
I use both, open source and close source according to my needs. I prefer Firefox above all but Chrome comes in when Adobe Flash has to be enforce.
22 • Create live ISO (by anticapitalista on 2015-10-26 11:16:14 GMT from Europe)
The snapshot tool used on antiX and MX can create a persistent iso of a running live or installed system.
23 • GhostBSD (by Linux Apocalypsis on 2015-10-26 11:20:18 GMT from Europe)
GhostBSD has come to be one of my favourite distros. I love the distro's minimalistic approach. In a way, it can be considered as an easy way to install FreeBSD plus a graphical package manager and configuration tools.
I have a 7-year old Clevo laptop which has always been incompatible with Linux and the situation only worsens with every new kernel. Windows XP, 8 and 10 work just fine on this machine (which, when released, also used to be converted into a hackintosh after some firmware hacking). PC_BSD runs fine but feels slow and cluttered. GhostBSD, in turn, allowed me to bring this machine to live again. It runs very smoothly and without even a glitch.
The only issue I had was that Grub did not work at all. Happily the BSD boot loader is able to boot both GhostBSD and Windows 10.
24 • Open (by Bill on 2015-10-26 11:29:20 GMT from North America)
Firefox since Netscape.
25 • Browser (by taif miloud on 2015-10-26 11:47:01 GMT from Africa)
Firefox is by far the most stable and complete Browser, but some Apps/extensions didn't work like expected. Apps on chromium are useful like text editors reminders and small games and automatically added to gnome-shell.
I'm also testing vivaldi it's fast with good support for my favorite sites with some new ideas.
26 • antiX (by zcatav on 2015-10-26 11:50:42 GMT from Europe)
Using antiX is good. Why antiX installs a ssh and sftp server as default. If i remove them, antiX gets unstable. Are there a special reason to run these server?
27 • Web Browsers (by pcninja on 2015-10-26 12:08:21 GMT from North America)
I use Pale Moon 100% of the time.
28 • create live iso (by zcatav on 2015-10-26 12:22:56 GMT from Europe)
bootcd is an alternative for debian.
29 • web browsers (by erinis on 2015-10-26 12:51:51 GMT from North America)
Opera has been my fav for years and have recently tried Vivaldi for the past week. With DuckDuckGo and uBlock Origin it works mighty fine.
30 • We know where you live. (by gee7 on 2015-10-26 12:59:48 GMT from Europe)
The world badly needs a new open-source browser that is reliable and secure.
Being secure involves having no software code written by Google, as that tracking company's motives are suspect.
The Google Chrome and Chromium browsers include the infamous binary blob which can turn on the user's microphone and webcam, and send conversations in your living room back to Google servers. Was anyone behind Google in writing that software?
I use Firefox as my main browser and sometimes use Midori.
However, I see a stronger Google influence in Firefox these days, with Google being the default search engine. Why is Google Search the default search engine when it is made by a company that has become closed-source? Money is probably changing hands.
It has been noted that the Linux Foundation has been giving away the proprietary Chromebooks to students who take Linux courses, so Firefox is not the only America organisation to be swayed by Google.
Personally I use the following search engines:
Firefox now tracks your geo-location by default, and the location software is getting more and more precise. Why does it need to know your location when you are doing online research and to whom is it passing this data?
To disable that feature, in the address bar, write:
and then enter the word "geo" in the search bar.
Find and click on "geo-enable" to user disable it.
It is the tracking line beneath the geo-enable that makes me wonder:
This looks as if by Firefox default, Google is tracking the location of wif-fi users and storing that data, or is this just normal practice? What is your opinion, Jesse?
We Linux users tend to both admire and rely on developers that are working for the common good. When a shadow of suspicion falls on those in which we once had faith, the world becomes a darker and a colder place.
Surely it is time for someone to develop a non-Google web browser?
31 • Browser (by Reed on 2015-10-26 13:04:06 GMT from North America)
Firefox with HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger, and Adblock Plus.
It works great on Arch Linux at home, Windows 7 at work, and Android for mobile. For me, it's the perfect setup.
32 • #31 (continued) (by Reed on 2015-10-26 13:07:19 GMT from North America)
... and I use DuckDuckGo for search, exclusively.
33 • @26 zcatav (by anticapitalista on 2015-10-26 13:12:05 GMT from Europe)
ssh server is included since users have asked for it to be. I don't know why it causes instability if you remove it though. You could just switch it off since the installer gives user this option or after install via sysv-rc-conf (It is in the control centre as Choose Startup Services)
34 • Distro zap HDD (by MCris on 2015-10-26 13:23:04 GMT from Europe)
During many years I installed Linux distros, only 2 has erased without warning my HDD (and Windows partitions): 1. Caos (discontinued) and Emmabuntüs, so take care!
35 • Another Ubuntu release, but now I don't care (by Paraquat on 2015-10-26 13:43:10 GMT from Asia)
My whole relationship with Linux has changed. A year ago I was an enthusiastic Ubuntu user, and awaited new releases with baited breath. And then they went with systemd...what a disaster. I now no longer pay any attention to what Ubuntu is doing, any more than I care about Microsoft or Apple.
I am currently using antiX, with Manjaro-OpenRC as an alternate, watching what Devuan is doing (still alpha2, groan) and keeping an close eye on FreeBSD (I have hardware issues with version 10.x., but version 11 looks promising).
I have to admit, I never saw this coming. I'll give systemd credit for this...it has turned me back into a distro-hopper, something I never thought I'd be again after I found Ubuntu.
36 • re. 23 • GhostBSD (by Linux Apocalypsis (by Someguy on 2015-10-26 13:53:01 GMT from Europe)
Great review, Jesse - almost had me convinced. Unfortunately, "...minimalistic approach...easy way to install..." turned out to be as far from my experience as possible. On a bog std. desktop with adequate resources, the DVD pretended not to offer a liveDVD option - not a problem, I'd provided a suitable hard disc. Masses of error lines preceded some action, very slowly. So slow, I went away for a long lunch. Although the HD light indicated throughout, there was no installation but there was a liveDVD display! I attempted an installation from the on-screen icon. This failed on the third panel after selecting a zone+k/b. Just in case, I allowed a software shutdown. This took an age. Rebooting confirmed no installation. Whilst in the liveDVD, I could not see anything persuasive not to overwrite the DVD in favour of a real distro. Welcome back to LM and the comfort of certainty.
37 • ghost bsd (by Tim Dowd on 2015-10-26 15:03:10 GMT from North America)
That's a really interesting review- thank you. I spent the weekend fiddling around with FreeBSD and am going to try it for a while. I'm curious to hear from any GhostBSD users about how they like the package manager and what their initial experience with setup was especially in terms of wifi firmware and such.
I don't really think FreeBSD has too sharp a learning curve for anyone who has used Linux very much. I've never really understood the love people have for graphical installers- I found FreeBSD's text based one pretty intuitive and obvious. Wifi was one exception- I had to accept a Realtek license to try and configure my wifi and there was no way to do that in the installer. But that's true with Debian as well, and it's not really hard to do afterwards. The instructions were fairly clear in the error message and the FreeBSD community is pretty awesome in posting what to do. What had me tearing my hair out was a buggy match between my cheap wifi dongle and the rsu driver (which I'm resolving by buying another 9 dollar dongle with a different chipset.) But I see that as an issue that can happen with any BSD (and every Linux distro- they just have it a little easier because their being more mainstream the firmware packages get tested a little more.)
Anyway I'm curious if any GhostBSD users have found it to be long-term easier to use than FreeBSD.
38 • Open source browser (by Tony on 2015-10-26 15:25:11 GMT from Europe)
I'm using Palemoon open source browser because it's one the best out there. I like Firefox too (dislike Chrome) but with Palemoon I'm doing 95% of my browsing. Open source is important for me! The other 5% I'm giving to Slimjet browser because of their new download manager which is turbocharget download manager. I'm sticking to gecko, no matter what and Palemoon is the best choise for me, for now. I heart Seamonkey isn't that bad too.
39 • Open source browser (by Arkanabar on 2015-10-26 16:01:23 GMT from North America)
I use Firefox in Lubuntu (LTS) and Pale Moon in Windows. I am used to keyboard bookmark navigation, which Chromium and Chrome do not have. I am not sufficiently motivated to add Pale Moon to Lubuntu when it isn't in the repositories.
When I need to deal with Flash content or Disqus, I use Chromium in Lubuntu and Chrome in Windows. I will not install the flash plugin any more.
I use Windows for when I wish to do remote/offsite work in health information management, and also for Warframe and Marvel Heroes 2015. For everything else, I vastly prefer Lubuntu.
40 • cloning (by dmacleo on 2015-10-26 16:13:29 GMT from North America)
maybe I misread the question but when person said live system I took it to mean installed running system.
in that case why not use clonezilla to create the iso?
41 • Tor Browser (by spambait on 2015-10-26 16:15:30 GMT from Europe)
Because what I look at is nobody's business.
42 • Live image creation (by Nick on 2015-10-26 16:38:48 GMT from Europe)
Jesse, in this weeks Q&A, why did you leave out Systemback? You do know about it, since you mentioned it only last week.
43 • the old Opera debate (by 4paul on 2015-10-26 16:42:27 GMT from North America)
Big fan of Midori and Qupzilla! I forget about PaleMoon :(
Opera 12 (Presto) was a "perfect" full-featured browser suite (sync bookmarks + files etc) - I understand security is too important to mess up and Chromium has had good security, and I'm sure the devs strip as much Google as they can - I'm suspicious but it still works well.
Private browsing mode seems to choke browsing certain websites in all browsers, I'm guessing many large mainstream websites detect private browsing?
Not a fan of coding using Java and Flash - I know you want as many people to see your website as possible but why the insanity? Not as pretty but doesn't HTML5 do the same? I try to use a distro/browser completely FLOSS, then use another with everything proprietary when I can't resist. Usually I give up and go proprietary, one day I will do the right thing ...
44 • open source web browsers (by nolinuxguru on 2015-10-26 17:00:05 GMT from Europe)
@30 raises important privacy issues. I was aware of the Chromium binary blob discovery, which was reported as a bug to Debian and then Google, and "fixed", but it is difficult to see when this happened. Having said that, I use Chromium, warts and all: I tape over my web-cam when it is not being used, and while I cannot locate the mics on my laptop, they would only broadcast loud music!
But seriously, most large organisations [Google, Mozilla, ..] try to take advantage of the fact that they are the custodians of very large software projects, where they can hide dubious code, even if it is open source.
I am not sure how they would locate me, as my ip address shows up as a place hundreds of miles away [even without TOR]. If I were to use mobile internet, perhaps they would have more luck.
I sometimes look at more independent browsers, such as Qupzilla, Midori and Arora, just to see how they are progressing, and will one day soon ditch Iceweasel/Firefox and Chromium.
45 • @ 30; firefox tracking (by tom joad on 2015-10-26 17:19:37 GMT from North America)
Yeow! Thanks for the tip.
I turned that tracking stuff off immediately and would suggest to others to consider doing the same.
It is a great puzzlment to me why, oh why, are 'The Powers That Be' so deeply interested in the boring, utterly average lives of us nobodies. But their zeal to 'know' has become my zeal for them NOT to know. In every regard I daily carry out my mission.
What do us noboies do that is so all comsuming to them? I would like to know. Maybe then I will see my life as 'interesting' rather than mundane.
46 • opera (by Jorge on 2015-10-26 17:31:46 GMT from South America)
Currently I Use Opera 32 in Zenwalk 7.9 The GUI still nice although it became to blink, I am a Web Page development so when I have to try my html5 development with other Browser it keeps in harmonious with my designs.. Its really good
47 • Open Source Browser (by seacat on 2015-10-26 17:44:09 GMT from South America)
In Windows I use Firefox, and IceWeasel in Linux
48 • Browser (by DJ on 2015-10-26 18:14:06 GMT from North America)
I mostly use FlashPeak Slimjet. It is built on Chrome and has no
affiliation with Google. It is fast and does everything I want.
My other browser is Tor Browser. Firefox is not stable today.
49 • Opera browser (by Charles Burge on 2015-10-26 18:26:05 GMT from North America)
@17 - I, too, have never been able to post comments to Distrowatch using Opera - until today! Maybe it simply took someone pointing out the problem to get it fixed. :)
I've been an Opera fan since 1998, and I even paid for a license back when it was sold as shareware. I've tried alternatives, but the mouse gestures are too hard to give up.
50 • Browsers (by nightflier on 2015-10-26 19:46:31 GMT from North America)
On my powerful desktop, mainly FF, occasionally Chrome for videos.
On my netbook, xombrero is first choice. It makes browsing possible on low power machines.
51 • Browser (by Ron on 2015-10-26 20:40:27 GMT from North America)
I use Firefox on Linux, and on the ipad I use whatever Apple decides it to be. Only problem, I also have the Raspberry Pi with webiopi installed. It does not work with the Apple browser on ipad. Oh well its no fun being in APPLE JAIL!
52 • Opera works for me (by Basil Fernie on 2015-10-26 22:25:15 GMT from Africa)
I go back to Eudora and before, angered when Netscape Navigator was squashed in market by inferior Internet Explorer. Tried most things, settled on Opera for best use of screen space, performance, integration, features. Still on V12.15.1784,surprised by comment (1) to see that 33.xxx is working on Linux, will try, as also most recent Vivaldi.
First time I could comment on Distrowatch, though! Aso get annoyed when Opera claims 16 TERAbytes of virtal storage...
53 • Browsers & BSD on the desktop (by M.Z. on 2015-10-27 00:16:33 GMT from North America)
I mostly run Firefox & us Opera some too so I'm mostly open source for browsers. I do run Chrome for Netflix, but otherwise don't need the spyware style functions Google puts in there. Oh & like others I'm a fan of DuckDuckGo & their ability to give you a good search & your privacy.
On the subject of GhostBSD, I've tried to play with the latest versions of both it & PC-BSD in virtualbox but keep having problems. GhostBSD doesn't install right & PC-BSD stopped giving me any desktop. I tried running startx after a command line login, but only go to a basic fallback GUI. I'm sad to say I don't think BSD is a good option for the desktop, though I'm still running it as a firewall distro. Hopefully the BSDs improve on the desktop, but for now I'm staying all Linux for my PCs & laptop.
54 • browsers (by imnotrich on 2015-10-27 01:19:21 GMT from North America)
Chrome is faster, because it's less secure. Mine gets compromised several times a month, and since Google thinks it's a great idea to sync infections too the germs try to attack my Linux box. Actually that's how I've caught them each time, ESET nod32 for Windows does not watch what's going on inside Chrome.
Firefox is very slow, but I like being able to use noscript to close several attack vectors. Unfortunately older versions of Firefox for Linux with unpatched Flash isn't all that secure either and I have a problem with any company (Mozilla) that fires their CEO because of his religious beliefs.
How sad there are no decent (as in capable), secure browsers out there for both Windows and Linux right now. Ever try watching a Silverlight video in Linux? LOLOLOLOL
55 • Helpful review on Ghost (by Brian on 2015-10-27 01:32:13 GMT from North America)
Really appreciate the review of Ghost, it's been a distro I've been interested in as a intro to the BSD world and with all the keywords I was looking for, 'home user' being the key, I'm in the process of taking the time to download and install. Thanks!
56 • Browsers (by Smellyman on 2015-10-27 05:25:32 GMT from Asia)
Linux user should never use Chrome. Hated having to turn off Amazon search. That dominated the conversation for years. Lovie using all of Google tracking services though.
Bow to your Google overlords.
57 • Opinion Poll : WEB BROWSERS (by Openpat on 2015-10-27 09:37:05 GMT from Europe)
I have a rather old machine, a Dell Latitude D600 - 512 MO RAM with Debian Jessie+Fluxbox installed and use Dillo or links2 that both suit this computer on a regular basis. When I need more functions I use Midori which works correctly with these specifications even when it is of course slower... I do appreciate to be able to still use my old machine by choosing such or such tool depending on my needs.
58 • RE: 0utstanding Distros' List and Paldo linux, as tipped by Frtux (by H. G. Guzelaydin on 2015-10-27 09:59:16 GMT from North America)
The previous issue of DW Weekly (above-stated link) contained several comments which attempted to create a listing for outstanding/ unique distros ...
Actually it was me who initiated the attempt (see aferomentioned link +posting # 14) ....
And now (because aforestated link's forum is closed) i had, instead, decided to post this message here in order to truly thank Frtux (aforesaid link, posting #84) for tipping me about Paldo which, in Frtux's own words is "a rolling release, Gnome centric desktop that usually has an updated iso available in the same day a new release is distributed upstream."
I really hope Frtux spot this meesage aimed at him, as i enjoy exploring unique distros by installing them on, mostly, antiquated hardware ....
And i truly enjoyed and love Paldo, which i had installed yeterday smoothly on an ancient P-III Toshiba that i now call it Rocketosh, as Paldo has transformed it into a super-fast machine :)
Once again, thank you Frtux for Paldo ...!
59 • @11 & @48 Slimjet browser (by snowdust on 2015-10-27 21:12:25 GMT from North America)
Thanks for mentioning this very fine browser. I had never heard of Slimjet so curiosity led me to discover a top-notch browser.
60 • Web Browsers (by TonyVanDam on 2015-10-27 23:08:33 GMT from North America)
I stick with Firefox/Iceweasel, Tor, & Jondofox.
61 • GhostBSD / Browser choice (by Will B on 2015-10-28 02:58:04 GMT from North America)
[ GhostBSD ]
I think the GhostBSD folks are working in the right direction. I haven't had an opportunity to try it lately, but from the review it sounds like it's coming along. I too have had many hardware problems with FreeBSD, but with completely new hardware installed, I'm giving it another try...might try GhostBSD first.
[ Browser ]
I don't care much for closed-source anything, but sometimes it cannot be avoided.
I currently use Firefox with Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin and Classic Theme Restorer (grrr, shouldn't need it!), only because my first choice, QupZilla, is just not stable enough. :-(
Most of QupZilla's issues aren't the project's fault, looking at the issues on their github shows a lot of "Qt" or "QtWebKit" tags. Kinda stinks that you have a good browser, but the toolkit it's based on is unstable and takes forever to get fixes for. From a developer's point of view, Qt 5 has been 1 cup progress, 3 cups disaster.
I have used Pale Moon, but I had some incompatibilities with it. Shame, it's nice otherwise and the main developer behind it is pretty passionate about his work.
Besides QupZilla, I wish there was a nice, reliable, compatible lightweight-as-possible, open-source (without corporate influences) web browser. Maybe one day.
Thanks Jesse and the team! :-)
62 • Another chime-in for Palemoon (by KingNeutron on 2015-10-28 03:36:53 GMT from North America)
+1 for the Palemoon web browser. I currently use it as my default in both Linux and Windows, since the firefox devs have gone nuts with anti-user "improvements" (read: confusing and disruptive changes) to their UI plus implementation of tracking spyware. They are trying to make it a poor second-cousin clone to Chrome and refuse to listen to their own general user population, so I only use FF if I need it to display some certain increasingly-rare webpage.
Great article on Linux Lite, I've DL'ed it and plan to test it soon. Keep up the good work!
63 • Browsers (by Steven Shannon on 2015-10-28 08:24:46 GMT from North America)
First, I would just like to say that I prefer open source, and I prefer Firefox over most browsers, most of the time. That being said, there are times when I need a browser that won't crash or slow down to the point that it's almost unusable, when I'm looking at some sites with flash embedded. My preference would be to have the sites use HTML5, but it is what it is and I have to use something that works with the content I am working with. Just like those people that need to be able to use certain proprietary programs that prevent them from making the switch to Linux... They have to use what works for the job they need to get done.
64 • GhostBSD @36 (by Linux Apocalypsis on 2015-10-28 14:49:06 GMT from Europe)
Have you checked the integrity of the downloaded image? And the DVD? I burned the 64-bit MATE edition to a USB pendrive. The live USB ran smoothly and the only problem I had during the installation was that, when I chose Grub as the boot loader, I was not able to boot into any OS. Choosing the BSD boot loader solved the problem and the distro is running very well on this computer:
Clevo laptop from 2007
Core Duo 2.5 GHz
4 GB RAM
Nvidia 8800M GTX (with proprietary drivers).
5400 rpm HD
I have not found any bug this far.
65 • GhostBSD (by Oxynewbie on 2015-10-28 17:45:21 GMT from South America)
I tried the MATE edition of GhostBSD 4. It was a nice experience.
But then I tried the XFCE edition of the same distro. What a terrible surprise: It simply didn't have an icon for SHUTDOWN
A UNIX command (shutdown -h now) had to be issued just to get rid of the f***ing system... PATHETIC.
Things like this explain why Linux is the king of the UNIX world. And also explain why I will not try GhostBSD 10.1 (not even the MATE edition).
As for PC-BSD, its size (more than 4GB) is a very good reason to never download such an insanely big ISO.
66 • Big Brother is watching you (by NSA hater on 2015-10-28 19:57:50 GMT from South America)
@41: "Because what I look at is nobody's business."
Despite the use of Tor Browser, the NSA agents definitely know a lot about what you look at the Web (or the stupid Deep Web).
Take a look at this:
Yes, the Tor network IS NOT as safe as it should be.
67 • Re: Big Brother is watching you (by Spambait on 2015-10-28 21:49:39 GMT from Europe)
The question was about web browsing, not hosting. For that, I'd probably choose Freenet, or I2P.
68 • GhostBSD did one thing right (by M.Z. on 2015-10-29 19:30:20 GMT from North America)
Actually I just logged into my GhostBSD 10.1 Virtual machine running XFCE 4.12, & if GhostBSD XFCE did one thing right for me it was provide plenty of logout options.They were both in the panel at the top of the screen with one being at the very bottom of the menu on the left side of the panel & the other one being an icon on the far right side of the panel. Basically I count two options to remedy that complaint, though like I said above, I had some installer issues earlier & haven't bothered to try a full install of that VM after the first 2 or 3 fails. I also keep having issues with web browsers crashing in LMDE after I open a VM in VirtualBox, but that seems to have nothing to do with the BSDs in particular. I understand having problems with BSD on the desktop because I've had my share of issues with it there too, but not being able to find the logout? I really don't get that.
69 • Browsers (by spacex on 2015-10-30 02:12:22 GMT from Europe)
Google-Chrome because it's way faster than anything else, and works best for streaming Netflix natively without the need for UAS or Pipelight, and also because it has the best sync-function.
70 • Linux OS drops all USB and CD/DVD Rom drives? Making it useless for users! (by clayton on 2015-10-30 04:46:17 GMT from North America)
Well what a pickle. Download Linux DVD and CD(s) for years. yes they have problems, changing to fast. Missing files from time to time. Needing faster and more ram year after year. The push to remove the older class of computers out of use, for that BAD ASS OS with all bells and whistles. PS thank you all really for all your hard work. I still download lite OS to try on older systems. Not everyone I know has cash to jump into a new computer. With everything going the way on the net. It would be nice if someone remember sensor and new college age kids with empty pockets. I been using Linux from about 2001. Mandrake 7.2, Red Hat 8 and even LindowsOS 4.5. Used Ubuntu for years. Yep, tried to understand the need for change every 6 months more and more became broken, more and more. System OS rushed to make a deadline. Kernel being change to drop hardware or to add more.
Well I have problems when I download a live CD/DVD iso file. Burn it to a disc only to find that for some reasoning all USB and CD\DVD drives are no longer need for the users. Really someone installs an OS on to the computer only to find that they can not use it. How may stories do we need to read. Google reported over 4 million in 53 seconds, these a user posting looking for answers. TO: Something that shouldn't have happen. I am not a coder and or a programmer. But I can tell you when the ball got dropped. I should be looking for a fix or fixes. It should NOT have happen that everyone is looking for the same answers. The end user shouldn't be thinking this is a screw up. For the most part for a desktop there only one user. If it was a server, you better know your code. Because dropping this many drives. You better you may have shut the server down. Back to the single user. They cannot see a CD, Audio or data, DVD movie, data music, or even a USB jump drive. Even programs cannot find the hardware because it not listed.
Just keep it up and watch all the end uses - run back to Windows or Mac OS. Using a computer should be enjoyable not a nightmare. You all jump behind the other. Tell each other you have the better desktop UI. oh and don't try OpenSUSE until they get something right. Linux Mint 64 Bit where the power of not seeing an OS that can use it hardware if it not list and or some code crook take the hardware and hinds it on the end user.
I hope the problems listed do get fixed soon. Oh an in cinnamon if you put an icon for a launcher, on the task bar it is suppose to work right? Not just make it look good.
Sorry I really do like what everyone has been doing over the years. I just can see not being able to use a desktop OS without having to fix it first...
71 • @30 Firefox and Google (by Kazlu on 2015-10-30 13:12:27 GMT from Europe)
"Why is Google Search the default search engine when it is made by a company that has become closed-source? Money is probably changing hands."
Of course money is changing hands. For years, Google had been giving money to Mozilla for making Google the default search engine. Actually, each search engine which comes installed in Firefox is contractly binded with Mozilla: the money they give Mozilla is in proportion of the number of search requests that are made on those search engines using Firefox. However, the contract between Google and Mozilla has ended this year and has not been renewed (yeah, now that Google has its own web browser, it does not need to push a contender does it?). That's why, if you start a fresh firefox (no customization, like the one you would get if you just created another user un your OS), Google is no longer installed in Firefox and Yahoo is the default search engine.
72 • what distro are you using? (by Tim Dowd on 2015-10-30 14:05:59 GMT from North America)
Debian recognizes my USB cdrom drive perfectly. I understand that it's frustrating when your hardware doesn't work right, but the solution is to try another distro that's got the right drivers.
I haven't tried it with FreeBSD yet but I'll report back.
At the end of the day, older hardware is possibly the number one reason NOT to run Windows or OSX. Many a Linux and BSD user has switched because a computer that was unusable at Windows 7 or XP speeds still does well with an open source operating system.
73 • Browsers (by Sapo on 2015-10-30 14:14:53 GMT from North America)
I swore by F Fox for many years since it came on the scene...recently it got too resource heavy to be worthwhile and needs too many addons,
I tried as an experiment Qupzilla and use it now pretty much all the time. though it has odd issues at time like online news pages crashing, Youtube plays but you need to reload it 2x..and a few other niggles but usually tha'ts the fault of things outside of the devs hands...
Palemoon I do like again installed as a trial does most things right...
I really don't like chrome..it never seems fast or good to me..
Ghost BSD...I have still to try this latest version but used an older one for a while without much work on my part.....found it a lot easier to work with than PC BSD..which was a nightmare...
Ill probably stick with Gentoo (calculate) and Arch
74 • @70 USB, CD/DVD (by Hoos on 2015-10-30 16:02:22 GMT from Asia)
I do not think you are correct in claiming (rather angrily) that Linux (kernel? OSes in general??) has intentionally dropped support for USB, CD/DVD drives. That's a strange conclusion to jump to, when people are still using these devices.
I run lots of different distros on my machine - Debian-based, Ubuntu-based, Manjaro, Fedora-based, PCLinuxOS. Distros like Manjaro and Sid all carry pretty updated packages, plus I'm running kernel 4.1 or 4.2 on quite a few distros so they should reflect the current state of Linux device support.
My various USB thumb and external drives (and Android phones) work when plugged in. I'm still playing CDs and ripping my collection, so I can tell you the CD/DVD drives work.
Like @72, I suspect hardware issues.
75 • @43 Chromium (by Kazlu on 2015-10-30 16:35:11 GMT from Europe)
@43 about Chromium : "I'm sure the devs strip as much Google as they can"
Huh, no. The devs are Google's employees. Chromium is not Chrome minus Google parts which would be removed by an independant team, it's an open source web browser developped *by* Google on which Chrome is based (adding more Google pieces, some closed source). However, SRWare Iron *is* Chromium minus Google parts which are removed by an independant team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron.
76 • 75 Chromium Opera (by 4paul on 2015-10-30 17:36:34 GMT from North America)
75 - sorry for my confusion; what I should have said was
"New Opera uses the Blink rendering engine from the Chromium project, I am sure the Opera developers don't add spyware like the Chrome developers do."
Back when Opera decided to use Blink as the upstream there was much discussion among Opera fans about privacy, and the loss of Opera-specific features (among them stability on old hardware and slim memory usage for a full-featured browser suite).
The discussion continues on the Opera developers blog three days ago (highly recommended reading, you may choose to trust or distrust what it says):
77 • Chromium and Open Source (by nolinuxguru on 2015-10-30 20:15:55 GMT from Europe)
@75 etc. Last count [that I could find - 2010]. Chromium was 5.5 million lines of code, so with any open source project of such eye-watering size, it comes down to a balance of trust and scrutiny. I couldn't work out who develops the code [assume Google dominate], and how many independent eyes have pored over the published source [organisations like Debian?].
Firefox is likely as big, and developed by corporate employees. Do we trust it more? How about the newer [smaller?] browsers like Qupzilla, Arora and Midori? Maybe we trust big-bad organisations less.
I haven't worked out how to use tools like Snort to see if browsers "phone home", but I am sure others have, and would not keep quiet if they discovered malpractice. Indeed, things like that and the discovery of downloaded Binary Blobs in Chromium mean that someone is watching. It is not possible to police large open source projects, but the external behavior can be monitored by those with the skills that I lack.
78 • Favourite browsers. (by paleoflatus on 2015-10-31 00:30:47 GMT from Oceania)
I prefer chromium for its speed, compatibility and ease of use, but often use Firefox or Tor-browser.
Chromium won't download all videos (as Firefox will) and Tor-browser is more secure for confidential work (finance, personal correspondence, alternative news sources etc.). This is more important as we encounter increasingly intrusive and secretive government and commercial oversight in Australia.
79 • Konqueror (by pfb on 2015-10-31 11:30:56 GMT from North America)
I visit a website daily to get a phrase in Spanish. Opera and the Mozilla browsers stopped rendering the sound clip. Only Konqueror does this now.
Konqueror also works well with Distrowatch. Other sites, not so well. It crashes a lot.
So, it is not necessarily a fovorite, but I use it every day.
80 • Varieties of web browsers. Wikipedia refs. (by Greg Zeng on 2015-11-01 02:50:51 GMT from North America)
Memories of Wikipedia hostilities to contributors like myself, ensures that Wikipedia will continue to be out of data. But the relevant references are:
I maintain, for my researches, a list of frequently updated web browsers. This Distrowatch comment is done with Opera 33.0.1990.43, the ONLY web browser that allows saving many different file-types, all in the one folder. Every other web browser remembers the last folder that was used for that particular file-type.
81 • @80 (by tomas on 2015-11-01 07:59:23 GMT from North America)
regarding wikipedia: I also tried participating at wikipedia, and wound up frustrated upon repeatedly finding that my edits (mostly simplistic, grammar corrections, etc.) were "auto-magically" being overwritten, in near real-time (matter of seconds), apparently by bots which are subscribed to receive change notifications for a given page.
regarding "Opera 33.0.1990.43, the ONLY..."
firefox 31esr here, at the moment, but same applies for at least up to v38esr and same has applied as far back as I can remember ~~ per preferences, all my downloads and SaveAs and SaveImage, everything is written to same fixed location (my "Downloads" directory). Maybe you observed the _default_ behavior, and didn't realize it could be customized?
82 • @70 (by Linux411 on 2015-11-01 22:01:05 GMT from North America)
I am curious as to what hardware you are using. I have never had a distribution which I have tried not show either cd/dvd or usb drives. I can only think it may have something to do with uefi / efi booting versus legacy. Your bios should have support for "legacy" usb drives enabled as well.
In regards to supporting hardware, Linux has come very far as considered to the support of hardware from 20 years ago. I use Windows at work on a daily basis but I have only used Linux at home for the past 20 years. I also have worked on too many Windows computers to mention. Have had about 20% of those people migrate to Linux and of those have had 2 or 3 revert back to Windows.
Please let me know what hardware you are currently having problems with, as Linux has many individuals who have a genuine desire to help when they are able to.
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