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1 • Recreating ISOs from a physical disc (by mikef90000 on 2015-05-11 02:27:55 GMT from North America) |
The tip from Jesse reminded me why I use R/W disks for both installing distros And for podcast listening in my older car CD player. I don't fill up my shelves and trash with write-once media, and I have a knack for picking motherboards with brain-dead :-\ USB booting support (looking at you Asus and Gigabyte).
For burning programs k3b works pretty reliably and has the most options, xfburn is serviceable, while brasero is very neglected (no R/W support at all).
2 • Re: 1 (by hobbitland on 2015-05-11 05:19:45 GMT from Europe)
Using write one or rewriteable CD/DVD is so old fashion. I switched to bootable USB a few years ago. All my Linux ISO testing is done in VirtualBox. Most distros either do not pass VirtualBox testing or I just don't like them.
3 • hey hobbit (by yo on 2015-05-11 06:35:52 GMT from North America)
agree that's it has become "old fashioned", but keep in mind that lots of older systems still in use (or still usable) lack the ability to boot from USB.
4 • CLI method for creating ISOs from optical media (by Ralph on 2015-05-11 07:52:50 GMT from North America)
Aside from the usual dd method, here is a command that is recommended:
readom dev=/dev/sr0 f=TITLENAME.iso
This is done by an ordinary user from their home directory, with the correct optical device name that is given by their system, and with the title name of course being any name they care to choose.
5 • Disc to ISO (by solt87 on 2015-05-11 10:56:34 GMT from Europe)
The ease with which one can save a disc to an ISO file is a great exampleto me of the usefulness (and simplicity) of the command line:
$ cat /dev/cdrom > mydisc.iso
It is so simple it1s almost ridiculous, yet it got the job well done for me more than once. (And yes,the resulting images worked as expected.)
6 • @1 (by mandog on 2015-05-11 10:57:53 GMT from South America)
I find your comments rather misleading I use only Gigabyte motherboards and asus before that all current motherboards boot from USB as they have for a few years now.
Since when did brasero not support r/w as again I've used it for years with r/w discs right click write to disk, they all use basically the same engine in linux there are only 2 backends its your choice wich you use, I don't now as most distros run better booting from USB and lots hang with any other media but usb as support for obsolete cd/dvd twindles, Even Ms has started to support USB from win7 for installs
7 • to mandog (by forlin on 2015-05-11 12:44:04 GMT from Europe)
all MB finished, but Gigabyte, Asus. So, @1 is more than right.
8 • KDE is the leading Desktop of the 28 DEs ? (by Greg Zeng on 2015-05-11 12:47:31 GMT from Oceania)
None of the below nine highlighted Desktop Environments (DE) have ever been seem in public on their Optimal, Minimal, nor expert-user setups. With the desktop-specific add-ons, these ten are all much more capable than is usually known.
According to Distrowatch, one hundred & one (101) distros are based on KDE. BlackLab & MakuluLinux used to also produce other DEs as well, in the past, but have dropped the other DEs.
The brandnames using the top nine major, complete Desktop Environments (28 total), about "live" 281 distros into ?? brandnames:
| KDE - 99
| KDE Plasma - 2
XFCE - 99
Gnome - 99
LXDE - 57
Openbox - 54
MATE - 31
Cinnamon - 18
Unity - 8
LXQt - 2
The above numbers were true at the time I posted this.
9 • Reviews of un-reviewed distros? (by SwampRabbit on 2015-05-11 13:01:19 GMT from North America)
I think it is great that to see the rapid fire reviews of OpenIndiana and PC-BSD, these distos deserve some notice and upfront visibility, rather than the typical stale minor release or update announcements of cookie cutter distros just changing desktop color schemes and wall papers.
It is nice to see news on distros actually making real movements and improvements that make an impact for users and the advancement of Linux/Unix/BSD. Its nice to get these distros some attention on DistroWatch Weekly.
Maybe we can get some reviews on distros which have NOT ever been reviewed? Or maybe some news coming from non-rehashed Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora distros?
Maybe Funtoo specifically?
Daniel Robbins recently created Ego and Epro, Funtoo's new personality tools, advancing the modular profile system allowing better configuration and control.
10 • @9 - Funtoo (by Paraquat on 2015-05-11 13:34:14 GMT from Asia)
Funny you should mention this, SwampRabbit, as I was just thinking today that it's about time DistroWatch did a review a Funtoo.
I second the motion.
11 • SaaSS (by Magic Banana on 2015-05-11 14:29:49 GMT from South America)
Peter Ganten wrote: "for sure web apps and cloud applications are a better solution for many problems."
For sure they are a better solution to lose control on your own computing! See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
12 • @6, mandog (by Carlos on 2015-05-11 14:43:12 GMT from Europe)
You have to go back a few more years.
I had a PIII 800 that didn't boot from USB, there was no USB boot support in the bios.
So, I had to use the Plop Boot Manager, which worked fine.
It's hard for me to imagine to still be using this kind of ancient hardware these days. Why, oh why...
13 • @1,7 Asus MB (by dive.ed on 2015-05-11 14:45:52 GMT from North America)
I have an old Asus PN5-32 MB. While I agree that its ability to boot USB devices may be called brain-dead it does work. Insert the USB device prior to starting the machine and enter the bios. You will find the USB device listed with your hard drives rather than as a removable drive. Just make it the first boot hard drive and it will work.
14 • USB boot (by Carlos on 2015-05-11 15:18:49 GMT from Europe)
Guys, the motherboards that did not have any USB boot support are really too old, they didn't even have USB2 (only USB1).
An add-on USB2 PCI card would not boot either.
15 • @14 • USB boot (by G Savage on 2015-05-11 20:08:27 GMT from North America)
You reminded when I had the very first USB "port" at work. Back in the late '90s, we got an early digital camera that needed a USB port to download the pictures. No one had one.
On a wild lark I opened my case, and lo and behold there was a socket on the mobo. We ordered a cable, I filed a notch in one of the spare rear slot plates, lined up the cable with the notch, and we had a "flexi" USB port to reach around the front. It was ridiculous, but it worked.
16 • @12 (by mandog on 2015-05-11 20:33:55 GMT from South America)
You are right how can you complain about hardware that old USB1 did not support booting from USB by default I'm sure that came with USB2, I have used USB for years the ASus I replaced was circa 2004/2005 that could be set to boot by default in bios and was USB2, so they must be talking old or don't know how to setup bios correctly or even write a usb to boot correctly that's all I can say as these days 6 months is way out of date with hardware. The Gigabyte board I have now has 12 USB2 ports + any amount of plugin extensions for a infinite amount of USB2 ports + USB3 ports.
17 • Gnome 2 in OpenIndiana? (by AnklefaceWroughtlandmire on 2015-05-11 20:54:55 GMT from South America)
How is it that this tested version of OpenIndiana ships an "an updated copy of GNOME 2"? Who updated Gnome 2? Is OpenIndiana somehow maintaining it?
18 • OpenIndiana's GNOME 2 (by Jesse on 2015-05-11 21:14:18 GMT from North America)
@17: OpenIndiana is shipping with GNOME 2.32, which is an update from the previous version of GNOME 2 they were running., which I think was 2.30 or 2.28. The upstream GNOME code isn't being updated, the package specific to OpenIndiana is. It would be like is I used to run KDE 3.5.8 and upgraded to 3.5.10. No one upstream is maintaining it and I'm not doing any work to KDE myself, I'm just using a slightly less out of date package.
19 • @16 (by Carlos on 2015-05-11 21:37:39 GMT from Europe)
Does your motherboard boot from USB3?
Only recent ones do. Mine doesn't and it's not that old (about 3 years old).
So, yet another USB boot problem. :')
20 • The Rest Of The (booting) Story (by mikef90000 on 2015-05-11 21:55:09 GMT from North America)
The 'brain dead' part of the BIOS booting features in my (6 y/o) ASUS M3A78 and (2 y/o) Gigabyte GA-B75-D3H are the requirement for the USB drive volume id to be 'registered', boot order changed and then Another reboot. Sounds like a Windows install :-(. When the stick is removed, the registration disappears! This is an improvement??
By contrast my first USB booting system used a (13 y/o !!) MSI motherboard that just checked for some some generic USB mass storage class. No silly registration needed.
Some vendors get it right, some do Not.
21 • @Jesse re ISOs (by Glenn Condrey on 2015-05-11 22:18:25 GMT from North America)
You stated that some distros are probably old and shouldn't be used...LOL
I cut my teeth on Xandros Linux. That was my distro of choice when I first used and tried linux back in 2003.
Fast forward to now...I still maintain the last Xandros that was released....Xandros 4.5 OCE.
I have to use old Debian Etch and Lenny repos to add packages...being careful not to break the Xandros File Manager.
Thus far, I've been able to keep it somewhat modern by adding Firefox 17.0 (the previous best any Xandros user had been able to install was 3.5.6), and Frostwire for torrent files.
A previous user created a small program that would allow you to install a hacked version of Flashplayer...they were using it on Flashplayer 10.0...I've used it to hack 11.2 and install it.
Gradually, more and more web sites are requiring higher versions of flashplayer...which we don't have any more.
I WISH I could install Google Chrome in Xandros...but as of now...I don't believe that is possible.
Still, I think it is a worthy endeavor It was by far the easiest to use and install Linux distro myself or my family have ever used.
It is a darned shame the company behind it would not support such a great product.
22 • @19 (by mandog on 2015-05-11 22:28:24 GMT from South America)
It does with parted magic every thing works OK but not with all Linux distros as the network does not work Nor USB2 ports, mine is not the latest, 2013 970 AMD series chipset but if you use iommu+soft in the boot line with arch it all works fine for me USB2 and USB3 ports and network, starts faultless. I use mainly USB2 ports as they are at the front of my box to Boot distros as its easier for me. its more to do with Ms and security as they believe all the security problems are to do with USB and the lan connection so by default the lan should be enabled by the OS. not the lan enabling the OS. but they are only interested in Windows so Linux has to find workarounds no big problem,
23 • USB Boot, ISO from disc (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2015-05-11 22:53:27 GMT from North America)
Apple did it on the cusp of the century; IBM kicked off the fashion surge in 2004. Of course, USB 1.1 is s-l-o-w by current standards - for booting; it's been fine for keyboard and (non-gamer) pointing devices. USB 2.0 rode the wave of PC popularity, though firmware (BIOS) pranks frustrated many users (and entertained geek/hackers, no doubt); then flash came along - in handy sticks. (A motherboard may sport ports aplenty, but how many controllers are doing the traffic management?) Someday USB 3.1 may become an alternative to ethernet.
Relax, it's just another hardware interface. Hardly the only one.
And hardware vendors still love their little pranks (especially in firmware).
For plastic disc archivists:
Brasero also has an ISO Copy option that can target file or disc.
7zip seems to be able to extract what's needed, if you don't need all.
Back in the 'doze, there was a 23Kb(zipped) freeware by Lucersoft - LC ISO creator, I believe - very minimal, just disc to ISO file. Paired nicely with a Virtual CD-ROM utility, As-I-Recall.
24 • Ubuntu jumps into Internet of Things with Acer, GE, and Microsoft (by pilot bay on 2015-05-11 23:07:56 GMT from North America)
The first generally available version of "Snappy" Ubuntu Core is now available as part of Ubuntu 15.04. This release supports 64-bit Intel-based architectures and ARM HF. It provides a common platform for device development that supports a wide range of production hardware.
Canonical and Microsoft, which were already working together on bringing Canonical's Juju DevOps tools to Windows and bringing Windows Server to OpenStack, are working with DataArt on an IoT industrial predictive maintenance solution. It will combine the three companies' IoT, cloud, big data, machine learning, and Docker efforts. To integrate all of this they'll be using "Snappy" Ubuntu apps, DeviceHive, and Juju Charms. Microsoft will also use an Azure service to manage and capture machine data.
25 • OpenIndiana (by tuxtest on 2015-05-11 23:08:27 GMT from North America)
I am interested in this project from the beginning. I tested OpenIndiana the same day of its release. There are some improvements over the previous version. The boot is greatly improved, the installer starts without crashing and steps of installation are relatively simple. But it is true that some things are disappointing. I agree, we should have made the change for Mate. The wireless carrier remains poor. But if you are with a filiaire connection while its function out of the box.
But the defense of OpenIndiana project, I think this project is a matter of a few brave people. There is no lack many things that OpenIndiana is a real project with an a real active community around.
Then notice to interested develppeurs by a last pure Unix system OpenIndiana is there!
After testing the latest version of Oracle Solaris is not better.
26 • It,s only rock and roll (by erinis on 2015-05-12 00:56:53 GMT from North America)
Reading all the comments this week makes me think 15 years back to SUSE. We have come a long way and should remember It,s free it,s an experience and a noble cause. Complaining never gets you anywhere. Embracing a choice and going with it would be a better choice for all and not for one. Thanks.
27 • Don't use CAT for bootable ISOs (by Kingneutron on 2015-05-12 01:28:15 GMT from North America)
--If you use ' cat /dev/cdrom > file.iso ' you may have unpredictable results. Use dd:
' time dd if=/dev/sr0 of=file.iso bs=1M '
--I have never had problems with dd unless the media itself was bad/scratched; some ISOs I burned from 'cat' would not boot.
28 • Don't use DD for bootable ISOs (by Ralph on 2015-05-12 01:52:38 GMT from North America)
So sayeth the ZFSonLInux guru Aaron Topance, among others. They recommend using readom instead (). The reason they give is that, unlike dd, readom has built-in error checking.
29 • Booting from a USB stick (by Ben Myers on 2015-05-12 08:21:42 GMT from North America)
I often make up a bootable USB stick with several live distros, plus HiRens, Memtest-86+ and other useful stuff. I have been using YUMI for this. Every so often, I have a modern system that refuses to boot from a YUMI-created USB stick, the complaint being that it is not bootable. Well, it sure is. And so I keep a few ISO DVDs around, as workarounds. I'll keep better track of this problem with makes and models and report back.
30 • Booting from a USB stick (by Joe on 2015-05-12 13:25:00 GMT from North America)
Sometimes you can boot from a USB 2 port, but not a USB 3 port, because the USB 3 drivers don't load until the OS is booted. How to tell? USB 3 ports have blue plastic inside, older ports are black. Keyboards and mice are plugged into USB2 so you can access the bios. May be different on newest stuff, my hardware is a few years old.
31 • USB3 boot and other stuff (by Carlos on 2015-05-12 13:58:13 GMT from Europe)
My motherboard is an Asrock Pro3 Gen3, from about 3~4 years ago.
With an USB2 stick inserted in a USB2 or even an USB3 port, it boots.
With an USB3 stick inserted in a USB2 port, it boots. Inserted in an USB3 port, it doesn't boot.
The bios doesn't have USB3 boot support and I suspect that many don't, even these days.
I don't bother to go to the setup, just press for the boot menu and select the boot device that I want to boot from.
Another thing: I have a boot password in my PC, to boot and to go to the setup I have to write the password.
BUT... when I press for the boot menu and select the device, it doesn't ask for the password (!!!), it boots directly, bypassing the password.
Well done, Asrock!
This is a serious security hole.
Maybe this happens with other Asrock motherboards, not only mine.
32 • 31 • … boot and other stuff (by Carlos … from Europe); LXLE-SM (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2015-05-12 14:39:11 GMT from North America)
31 • Now that reminds me of parental controls on TV sets!
LXLE • This week's review suggests a miss of the dev's stated intent - there's a difference between minimal and efficient, and LXLE is not minimal. Did the reviewer exercise the SeaMonkey suite as provided, comparing to another distro with, say, Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin, and LibreOffice or OpenOffice editing HTML - checking responsiveness with all tools active?
33 • CD/DVD/USB boot (by Kazlu on 2015-05-12 14:44:17 GMT from Europe)
Just like #12 Carlos, on my old Pentium III powered machine, even DVD boot is not possible, only CD boot. Since that greatly reduces the number of distros I can try on it, I found a solution: I dumped PLOP boot manager on a floppy disk and then I was able to boot ISOs on DVDs. Yes, I could probably throw PLOP on a CD and then boot on USBs (although I failed the only time I tried that) but honestly finding a reason to use a floppy disk in 2015 made me pround. Old school is cool.
Granted, that machine is not used often, but I absolutely want it to continue working until it's physically broken, as a backup. Getting as many modern things as possible to work on this machine makes me learn things and helps me understand the limits of the hardware and the software.
34 • @21 Xandros (by Kazlu on 2015-05-12 14:46:03 GMT from Europe)
"I have to use old Debian Etch and Lenny repos to add packages...being careful not to break the Xandros File Manager.[...] Still, I think it is a worthy endeavor It was by far the easiest to use and install Linux distro myself or my family have ever used."
You do all that and still think something like, say, Xubuntu is not easy enough to use and install? It seems to me that the amount of effort you put into Xandros is far beyond what would be needed to install and use Xubuntu (or many others), especially is what you want is just an easy to use and install distro. Or did I completely miss your point?
35 • Freed Open-Source Slackware (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2015-05-12 16:31:36 GMT from North America)
Anyone else remember the Kongoni LiveCD from 2010-2011 using portpkg?
36 • Freed Open-Source Slackware (by Elcaset on 2015-05-13 01:48:30 GMT from North America)
---------Anyone else remember the Kongoni LiveCD from 2010-2011 using portpkg?----- I do remember Kongoni with KDE. ConnochaetOS looks worth a try, as well.
37 • Kongoni (by Ralph on 2015-05-13 01:50:01 GMT from North America)
@ 35 - I do remember Kongoni. A beautiful conception: based on Slackware with a source-code based package manager (similar to ports in FreeBSD or Gentoo) but with all-free (i.e. FSF-approved) software. Unfortunately I could never get it to work on my hardware, but *not* for the reason my hardware required any firmware blobs to run (it didn't). Iirc somebody took over the project from the original developer, but that still didn't help in my case though.
38 • Kongoni...and other distros gone by (by Barnabyh on 2015-05-14 15:33:24 GMT from North America)
Oh yes, Kongoni was a nice project, the somebody who took it over maintained it for two releases but also moved on to other things, namely work. I suspect the pressures of a full-time IT job AND maintaining a distro were just too much long-term. It was a worthy project and even ran well on my hardware of the day. Preferred Slackware proper with sbopkg for SlackBuilds though.
Never tried Xandros, but remember being very fond of Linspire, particularly its looks. It was discontinued and Freespire took over as open community project but didn't get very far. In the end I went back to Debian. The original has longevity, everything else are just experiments.
39 • Alpine Linux - Standard, Mini and Vanilla (by Ben Myers on 2015-05-14 16:02:36 GMT from North America)
Alpine Linux has Standard, Mini and Vanilla versions, with no explanation of the differences among them. Why would I choose one or the other or the other? This would be good info to add to the Alpine Linux wiki.
40 • Foresight R.I.P. (by Kragle on 2015-05-14 16:13:06 GMT from North America)
When a project is doomed by economics, the end often comes faster than expected, as websites evaporate.
The Conary package manager may be used on CentOS (or Fedora & remixes thereof), on RPM and Deb packages, preserving the deep dependency-checking tech.
41 • The Original Project. (by Kubelik on 2015-05-14 23:35:44 GMT from Europe)
@38. "In the end I went back to Debian. The original has longevity, everything else are just experiments."
- Good philosophy of life/Linux :)
42 • Alpine Linux (by Chris on 2015-05-15 01:02:26 GMT from North America)
@39 It has been a few months since I looked at Alpine (cool little distro), but if you hover over the download links to the various flavors a brief info bubble will show up for each. I agree, an updated wiki would be a help but the above method worked for my testing purposes; I found the hover bubbles by accident.
BTW, if it suits your purposes, let me know if you can get Xorg working...I could not.
43 • Everything else are just experiments?? (by frodopogo on 2015-05-15 02:39:02 GMT from North America)
"Everything else" is a bit of an exaggeration.
I also agree that longevity in a distro is a virtue. But half of the distros in the Distrowatch top 10 have been around a good long while-
Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, and Open SUSE. Most of the other 5 are either popular derivations of those (Mint from Ubuntu/Debian, Manjaro from Arch, CentOS from Fedora) or in the case of Mageia it's a continuation of Mandriva, which went way back, but the original project had corporate problems, and was forked.
So really only elementary OS seems like it's very new at all, and it's based on Ubuntu.
44 • Experiements??? (by foo2foo on 2015-05-15 15:03:52 GMT from North America)
You are right, - @41 "everything else are just experiments." is a exaggeration.
A lot of distros are very popular, but may not come across as such because of their ranking. Look how low FreeNAS, Gparted, and Clonezilla are. These get more downloads and installs every day compared to say Ultimate Edition. Distros which release regularly get on the front page, which helps a lot, especially when development releases are shown. Arch is probably the only exception, but its starting to drop a bit. The news section of DWW is usually focused on top mainstream distro news for the most part. This helps the distros out because it is good publicity. You'll always see a jump when release dates arrive or reviews or news gets put into DWW.
LXLE had gotten a lot of attention, which it deserves in some respect, but its nothing overly "new" in any respect. But I doubt more people use it compared to any of the BSDs, Slackware, Gentoo, Funtoo, or even Red Hat or Oracle.
45 • All_welcome_to_Jump_into_the_Arch_sandbox (by k on 2015-05-15 17:30:13 GMT from Europe)
now and here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_existing_Linux to really learn, experience and "put the fun back into computing". Shall you be released? Yes, for sure, rolling release, free as a swallow. :))
46 • @45 - not so interested (by ghostinabox on 2015-05-16 10:03:52 GMT from North America)
Do I have to use systemd which Arch?
Arch is ok, but not as free as a swallow, more like a carrier pidgen.
There a lot more better options for pure freedom, choice, and control over your GNU Linux operating system.
47 • @46 (by Corbin Rune on 2015-05-17 02:17:24 GMT from North America)
The "Yes" is more along the lines of "Officially Yes, but there are ways around it."
Arch defaults to systemd, sure ... but you can replace it with another init option, like OpenRC.
You *would* learn a lot about how your os operates from the inside out. The kind of tricks you learn working with Arch stick in your mind for good, truthfully.
48 • USB3 autobooting flash drives ... (by Greg Zeng on 2015-05-17 03:54:25 GMT from Oceania)
Much concern this week on USB3 & boot speeds, etc.
My three year old notebook computer (Dell XPS-15) has three USB3 ports. Both UEFI & BIOS have been set to recognize these. Autoboot is almost trouble-free, if the USB drive has the boot parameter set for either the Linux or FAT partion on the drive (flashstick, HDD, or DVD/CD).
Linux Mint has unusual flash-stick format & write-ISO programs which do not set the boot partition with the correct boot paremeter. I found that GPARTED can rarely fix this "feature". This is so troublesome, on Mint-based distros, I will use GPARTED & Unetbootin instead.
Linux Mint can seemingly destroy my flash-sticks. With Windows, I then try to re-format with either the Windows or any of several 3rd party USB-format programs. The most reliable recovery from death in a flash-stick is Hp Usb Disk Storage Format Tool.
Boot speeds, and USB-use speeds can be increased by using Class-10 flash-cards (or faster), and/ or using USB3-specialized hardware plugins. I regularly literature review benchtests of these USB3 hardware gadgets. Paying large amounts of money sometimes MIGHT give a higher speed.
My most used flash-disk, within my modest budget, is a USB3 16GB Transcend stick. Like all factory items, each item has individual differences, so test all your fastest devices individually if you want to use the fastest you have available.
Using USB3 4-PORT-HUB can be sometimes faster than direct connection to the motherboard's socket. My eBay nonames-gadget perhaps has additional internal electronics, including caches? I found that it has more reliably consistent high speeds, sometimes bettering the direct connection. To minimized the physical battering of my motherboard-mounted USB sockets, I prefer using the USB-HUB, which also carries a Bluetooth & mouse adapter.
49 • 48 • USB3 … flash … (by Greg Zeng … from Oceania) (by Somewhat Reticent on 2015-05-17 16:11:07 GMT from North America)
USB is an interface
flash is a storage medium
(many?) ports connect to (fewer?) controllers
Flipping one bit on a USB(interface) flash(storage-medium) device is clearly not "destroy"ing, or no software would recover, reliably or not - you have touched on something that has been successfully obfuscated by vendors and geeks for decades.
50 • Huayra Linux and Free distros (by Ramjar on 2015-05-17 20:56:51 GMT from South America)
It seems to me that is mandatory to make an article about the Argentinian distro Huayra Linux, the oficial OS of "Conectar Igualdad" plan destined to teaching free technologies to primary education students in that country.
In other hand I saw certain inconsistency about the actually-free distros in FSF(free software foundation) web. This site states that there are 7 really free distros (http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html) but Distrowatch hasn't articles about two of those distros (GuixSD and Ututo XS). Furthermore, ConnochaetOS is not recognized as really free OS by FSF.
51 • @47 Corbin Rune (by ghostinabox on 2015-05-17 23:19:09 GMT from North America)
Can you install Gnome 3 with OpenRC on Arch wiithout systemd?
Any GNU/Linux OS that defaults to systemd will slowly require it more and more just to run the OS. The Manjaro Experiements prove it can be ripped out, but the case remains its a huge hassle now and will get worse later.
You are right that you will actually learn your system more when using Arch.
Overall the last two things that Arch has going for it are their wiki and source.
But no more control is provided over using LFS, Gentoo, Funtoo, Slackware, or FreeBSD for that matter. Except these allow actual real freedom and control over choice of init systems among everything else tied to systemd.
It was the whole "released" and "free" comment from the other poster that set me off. ;)
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|• Issue 808 (2019-04-01): Solus 4.0, security benefits and drawbacks to using a live distro, Gentoo gets GNOME ports working without systemd, Redox OS update|
|• Issue 807 (2019-03-25): Pardus 17.5, finding out which user changed a file, new Budgie features, a tool for browsing FreeBSD's sysctl values|
|• Issue 806 (2019-03-18): Kubuntu vs KDE neon, Nitrux's znx, notes on Debian's election, SUSE becomes an independent entity|
|• Issue 805 (2019-03-11): EasyOS 1.0, managing background services, Devuan team debates machine ID file, Ubuntu Studio works to remain an Ubuntu Community Edition|
|• Issue 804 (2019-03-04): Condres OS 19.02, securely erasing hard drives, new UBports devices coming in 2019, Devuan to host first conference|
|• Issue 803 (2019-02-25): Septor 2019, preventing windows from stealing focus, NetBSD and Nitrux experiment with virtual machines, pfSense upgrading to FreeBSD 12 base|
|• Issue 802 (2019-02-18): Slontoo 18.07.1, NetBSD tests newer compiler, Fedora packaging Deepin desktop, changes in Ubuntu Studio|
|• Issue 801 (2019-02-11): Project Trident 18.12, the meaning of status symbols in top, FreeBSD Foundation lists ongoing projects, Plasma Mobile team answers questions|
|• Issue 800 (2019-02-04): FreeNAS 11.2, using Ubuntu Studio software as an add-on, Nitrux developing znx, matching operating systems to file systems|
|• Issue 799 (2019-01-28): KaOS 2018.12, Linux Basics For Hackers, Debian 10 enters freeze, Ubuntu publishes new version for IoT devices|
|• Issue 798 (2019-01-21): Sculpt OS 18.09, picking a location for swap space, Solus team plans ahead, Fedora trying to get a better user count|
|• Issue 797 (2019-01-14): Reborn OS 2018.11.28, TinyPaw-Linux 1.3, dealing with processes which make the desktop unresponsive, Debian testing Secure Boot support|
|• Issue 796 (2019-01-07): FreeBSD 12.0, Peppermint releases ISO update, picking the best distro of 2018, roundtable interview with Debian, Fedora and elementary developers|
|• Issue 795 (2018-12-24): Running a Pinebook, interview with Bedrock founder, Alpine being ported to RISC-V, Librem 5 dev-kits shipped|
|• Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell|
|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
|• Issue 790 (2018-11-19): NetBSD 8.0, Bash tips and short-cuts, Fedora's networking benchmarked with FreeBSD, Ubuntu 18.04 to get ten years of support|
|• Issue 789 (2018-11-12): Fedora 29 Workstation and Silverblue, Haiku recovering from server outage, Fedora turns 15, Debian publishes updated media|
|• Issue 788 (2018-11-05): Clu Linux Live 6.0, examining RAM consumpion, finding support for older CPUs, more Steam support for running Windows games on Linux, update from Solus team|
|• Issue 787 (2018-10-29): Lubuntu 18.10, limiting application access to specific users, Haiku hardware compatibility list, IBM purchasing Red Hat|
|• Issue 786 (2018-10-22): elementary OS 5.0, why init keeps running, DragonFly BSD enables virtual machine memory resizing, KDE neon plans to drop older base|
|• Issue 785 (2018-10-15): Reborn OS 2018.09, Nitrux 1.0.15, swapping hard drives between computers, feren OS tries KDE spin, power savings coming to Linux|
|• Issue 784 (2018-10-08): Hamara 2.1, improving manual pages, UBports gets VoIP app, Fedora testing power saving feature|
|• Issue 783 (2018-10-01): Quirky 8.6, setting up dual booting with Ubuntu and FreeBSD, Lubuntu switching to LXQt, Mint works on performance improvements|
|• Issue 782 (2018-09-24): Bodhi Linux 5.0.0, Elive 3.0.0, Solus publishes ISO refresh, UBports invites feedback, Linux Torvalds plans temporary vacation|
|• Issue 781 (2018-09-17): Linux Mint 3 "Debian Edition", file systems for SSDs, MX makes installing Flatpaks easier, Arch team answers questions, Mageia reaches EOL|
|• Issue 780 (2018-09-10): Netrunner 2018.08 Rolling, Fedora improves language support, how to customize Kali Linux, finding the right video drivers|
|• Issue 779 (2018-09-03): Redcore 1806, keeping ISO downloads safe from tampering, Lubuntu makes Calamares more flexible, Ubuntu improves GNOME performance|
|• Issue 778 (2018-08-27): GuixSD 0.15.0, ReactOS 0.4.9, Steam supports Windows games on Linux, Haiku plans for beta, merging disk partitions|
|• Issue 777 (2018-08-20): YunoHost 22.214.171.124, limiting process resource usage, converting file systems on Fedora, Debian turns 25, Lubuntu migrating to Wayland|
|• Issue 776 (2018-08-13): NomadBSD 1.1, Maximum storage limits on Linux, openSUSE extends life for 42.3, updates to the Librem 5 phone interface|
|• Issue 775 (2018-08-06): Secure-K OS 18.5, Linux is about choice, Korora tests community spin, elementary OS hires developer, ReactOS boots on Btrfs|
|• Issue 774 (2018-07-30): Ubuntu MATE & Ubuntu Budgie 18.04, upgrading software from source, Lubuntu shifts focus, NetBSD changes support policy|
|• Issue 773 (2018-07-23): Peppermint OS 9, types of security used by different projects, Mint reacts to bugs in core packages, Slackware turns 25|
|• Issue 772 (2018-07-16): Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre 0.2.4, UBports running desktop applications, OpenBSD auto-joins wi-fi networks, boot environments and zedenv|
|• Issue 771 (2018-07-09): Linux Lite 4.0, checking CPUs for bugs, configuring GRUB, Mint upgrade instructions, SUSE acquired by EQT|
|• Issue 770 (2018-07-02): Linux Mint 19, Solus polishes desktop experience, MintBox Mini 2, changes to Fedora's installer|
|• Issue 769 (2018-06-25): BunsenLabs Helium, counting Ubuntu users, UBports upgrading to 16.04, Fedora CoreOS, FreeBSD turns 25|
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