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1 • Debian 8.0 EFI support? (by Brad on 2015-04-27 00:37:51 GMT from North America) |
Just installed this on an old i386 laptop. It works very well, although I was surprised by the installation message informing me that the software had detected an EFI environment. I'm quite sure one does not exist for this laptop (Compaq nc6120). In any case, I let the installer do as it wished, and the install completed without issue. The laptop is very responsive, and I think I'll stick with this environment for a while.
2 • Debian 8 (by cykodrone on 2015-04-27 02:36:29 GMT from North America)
I have to admit I'm very tempted to download the netinst and try this...
...but all my USB sticks are 'busy' and I'm down to only one blank DVD (I may need it for something more important). Not only that, my spare SSD now has a slim install of Xubuntu 14.04.2 LTS stripped of Ubuntu's spyware (Ubuntu Mini CD install). To be a guinea pig or not to be a guinea pig, that is the question. Even if I do do this, I shouldn't have to surgically replace the init, it *should* be an install option, before the user picks the DE. I guess the little ginger cowgirl will just have to wait until I feel like it, sorry Jessie.
3 • @2: Make A Backup, Then Experiment On Live Install (by Serge on 2015-04-27 03:17:29 GMT from North America)
Do you have an existing Debian install somewhere already? I have a suggestion: make a backup of the file system, upgrade to Jessie, and then experiment away with no remorse. When you're done, restore the machine back to the way it was from the backup.
4 • Debian 8 Maté vs Cinnamon (by Somewhat Reticent on 2015-04-27 06:16:22 GMT from North America)
I can echo 'cykodrone' to a degree: I tried these two DEs Live on an old Intel box. For me, with Maté, testing HDMI sound circuits failed, even though system sounds worked. With Cinnamon, HDMI sound settings worked - and an icon labelled "Install Debian Sid" was on the 'desktop', which suggests minimized (non-critical, ignore) QA. I am reminded of the reason I prefer pulseaudio - heaps of confusion sabotage ALSA documentation, and I have yet to see a working GUI for its settings.
But surely it isn't major "surgery" to opt for a non-default init-daemon or process-manager?
5 • @2 No need of USB/DVD to install Debian (by bobzr on 2015-04-27 07:23:07 GMT from Europe)
I also like to test a lot of distros. Many of them have live CDs images (ISOs files) that can boot straight from grub2. It's just a matter of adding some lines to the /etc/grub.d/40_custom file and then update grub. You'll have them listed in the grub menu, load them to RAM and you have a live system up & running without using any USB stick or CD. You can install if you unmount the partition where the iso file is stored.
6 • @5 No need of USB/DVD to install Debian (by condor from Europe on 2015-04-27 08:34:29 GMT from Europe)
Excellent idea! Could you be more specific about the line/lines from /etc/grub.d/40_custom file ? Many thanks!
7 • how to boot iso from grub (by forlin on 2015-04-27 10:03:56 GMT from Europe)
8 • Vivid Kubuntu and Xubuntu (by jg on 2015-04-27 10:43:23 GMT from Europe)
I decided to be a guinea pig and installed first Kubuntu vivid. After a couple of hours I decided to wipe it out. It was like using an amateur student programmer work for perhaps an exam. There were fonts of uncoordinated size and type, cryptic icons of dubious style in all uncoordinated sizes and several color themes instead of one. Solution = make a fundraiser (I'll chip in 5$) and hire a professional to do it. Many applications would not work or work improperly, this was really an unpleasant surprise. One thing - the system was snappy - this one was a real positive thing. But this is still just a work in progress. So next come Xubuntu. All perfect for the first 3 days and then, the system starts to fail to mount partitions first from sdb, then randomly from sda. User permissions conflicts start to appear at random, then some launchers on the desktop stop working. Finally, the main boot option - Xubuntu with system.d would boot no more. Thanks to Distrowatch I found the upstart option - it works, hurrah, a miracle indeed. Just as a side note - Xubuntu Vivid boot times - with system.d - 27 sec., with upstart - 6 sec. This is what we call the advantage of system.d over other legacy init systems, as documented by my latest experience. "Quicker boot times and greater system stability". Indeed, you may count my experience as testimony that system.d, while brilliant in design, is creating problems where there were none. If you were running a nuclear power station, managed transportation vehicles, satellites or anything of use, would you use a system which more like windowz or Unix? I think Red Hat is going to see itself in big trouble, as customers will start questioning the sanity of its choices.
9 • Ubuntu review (by Jeff on 2015-04-27 11:08:42 GMT from Europe)
Thanks for an excellent Ubuntu review. I have one suggestion: since the positioning of menus was new, I'd like to see that in a screenshot. An old/new comparison would even be better.
Also a question, does Unity allow discovery of applications without having to think up a name of what you are looking for? It's just that I don't even know that something exists to even search for it, that I might like. I like to discover things by looking through menus/icons/categories.
10 • Kubuntu 15.04 Gorgeus!!! (by Ari Torres on 2015-04-27 11:11:49 GMT from North America)
I have never been a big fan of KDE always sticking with the big players,Ubuntu-Unity,Ubuntu-Mate,LinuxMint-Mate but after these waves of new releases a downloaded Kubuntu and went for a live boot on my desktop,nah! it was ok BUT and yes BUT and later on decided to try Kubuntu on my little ASUS X200CA laptop with a 64GB SSD and 4GB DDR3 and boy was I in shock!!! Kubuntu 15.04 Plasma 5 it absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! no other words and everything worked right out of the box,no errors just AMAZING!!! the eye candy effects,the glide,the air look,glass look I am using Kubuntu more and more everyday now.
Good job Kubuntu team,Kudos!!!
11 • Unity applications (by Jesse on 2015-04-27 12:15:19 GMT from North America)
@9: Yes, with Unity you can browse through applications just like you can with any other application menu. Click the dash icon and then click the application buttion. All installed desktop software is listed. You can filter it by category too.
12 • Debian 8.0 (by Rick on 2015-04-27 13:37:11 GMT from Planet Mars)
With the release of Debian 8.0 and live images again, I gave it a try. Alas, it still would not recognize my wireless setup. I tried to configure it but the screen froze and I simply had to shutdown. The same thing happened with Debian 7.0. In this age of very user friendly distros, Debian still continues to be difficult to use. As such, I will stick with Linux Mint.
13 • Kubuntu 15.04 (by kc1di on 2015-04-27 13:54:24 GMT from North America)
@ 10 I too love the look and feel of Kubuntu 15.04. it's working real well on my laptop but have been unable to get it going on my desktop machine (Nvidia drivers not working yet. ) anyway I concur with you that it's a very good release.
14 • Antergos Review (by Marco on 2015-04-27 14:37:36 GMT from Europe)
When shall we have a review of Antergos distribution on this site?
I am unable to sucessfully install from the live CD but i love the concept behind this distro: users can decide which desktop and packages to include in the system at installation-time.
15 • Debian 8.0 in Mars (by Uncle Martin on 2015-04-27 15:01:32 GMT from South America)
@12: Ask to Curiosity the driver for your laptop.
16 • comment # 12 (by Brad on 2015-04-27 15:34:20 GMT from North America)
FWIW, wireless never works out-of-the-box for me on Debian; however, it usually doesn't take too long to find the correct firmware package and install it. Google is your friend here.
17 • search vs select (by M.Z. on 2015-04-27 16:24:54 GMT from Planet Mars)
All the times I've played with Unity versions of Ubuntu I came away with the conclusion that while menu based selection was possible, it was rather messy in Unity. I think that this is also a weakness in the default KDE kickoff menu, but there is more clicking & hunting in Unity's Dash than most other GUI driven menus. I do think Gnome 2 is worse in this regard, but Unity comes in second for most inefficient menu design. Personally I think the Dash GUI was made defective by design so Canonical could rake in more search money by getting users to rely on search almost exclusively while sending related data to third parties; however, their Dash search privacy issues have made me a cynic about all things Canonical.
18 • Debian 8 and wireless (by Ralph on 2015-04-27 17:11:20 GMT from North America)
@12, 16 - if your wireless works with Mint but not Debian (out-of-the-box) chances are all you need to do is enable the non-free repo on Debian and the requisite firmware will be there. There is a firmware package called 'firmware-linux' which is a metapackage that includes most non-free firmware. Or you can install just the package for your specific wireless by locating it on Debian's website package search and typing in 'firmware'.
19 • Antergos (by Jesse on 2015-04-27 19:32:17 GMT from North America)
@14: We reviewed Antergos here last year. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20140721#feature
20 • Ubuntu (by silent on 2015-04-27 20:04:15 GMT from Europe)
My first experience after upgrade from Utopic to Vivid was that Synaptic has rejected to run because of unavailable default Utopic repositories. However, the APT configuration files were correct. After some websearch I could find that a line in the synaptic config file in 'root' should be modified. It was a rather unfortunate bug: although I generally only use apt-get, but right after an upgrade synaptic is useful.
Another strange point was that unity-tweak-tool was missing something. After some search I have found the missing package. But it would have been more than 50MB download just for tweaking. I mean that a lightweight fully functional WM is less than 1MB with completely customizable and transparent text configuration files.
21 • grub ISO booting and DW reviews (by cykodrone on 2015-04-27 20:10:55 GMT from North America)
Re: grub ISO booting, thank you all for your suggestions, you're very kind, great info. :)
@14 DW reviews are listed in the reviews section of each distro's page on this site as themselves ('DistroWatch'), just below the description/introduction section (scroll down a bit). I read a lot of reviews, that is why I know this. ;)
22 • Debian 8 Live CD / Installers with non-free drivers (by Freddy on 2015-04-27 20:41:44 GMT from Europe)
if you would like to install Debian Jessie with working Intel WLAN drivers out of the box just use the unofficial Live CDs:
23 • GrUB4dOS ISO booting (by Somewhat Reticent on 2015-04-27 21:19:30 GMT from North America)
Another choice/option: http://rmprepusb.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/linux-script-to-install-easy2boot-to.html
allows multiple ISOs on one stick (space permitting, of course!)
Still handy for demo of multiple DEs, architectures, toolsets, distros, etc.
24 • This and that (by eco2geek on 2015-04-27 22:55:30 GMT from North America)
> a slim install of Xubuntu 14.04.2 LTS stripped of Ubuntu's
What "Ubuntu spyware" is in Xubuntu?
@9 - You can install an "application indicator" named ClassicMenu Indicator, that puts a GNOME2-style hierarchical menu in the top bar of your Unity desktop. It's in the repositories, or you can download it from the author's web site:
Re: changing font sizes in Chapeau:
The Chapeau review complained about its using small font sizes. Probably the best way to change this is to use "gnome-tweak-tool". You can set the fonts used in the UI, their sizes, the hinting, etc. (along with a whole lot of other things). Many GNOME-based distros come with it pre-installed.
25 • @2 easily booting ISOs (by just Bob on 2015-04-28 02:08:36 GMT from North America)
You could also simply try grub-imageboot (a standard package)
Once installed, it lets boot ISO files by just putting them in /boot/images/
then run update-grub2
Another great solution (for USB, already mentioned above) www.easy2boot.com
26 • Booting image: RAM=ISO+OS (by Somewhat Reticent on 2015-04-28 02:27:30 GMT from North America)
Some methods require enough RAM to hold the entire image, plus enough to run the distro … sometimes this is not optimal.
27 • Worrying Package Management on Fedora (by Richard on 2015-04-28 07:16:31 GMT from Europe)
Am I the only one worried about naming the new Fedora package manager DNF, which I've always known from sporting events as standing for Did Not Finish?
# dnf install Shiney-New-Kernel
# Error! dnf DNF!
28 • DNF, Kubuntu (by Johannes on 2015-04-28 10:57:24 GMT from Europe)
@ Richard on Fedora's 'DNF': as non-native speaker such mistakes are really difficult to avoid - in an international team probably no one did realize what DNF could mean. It remembers me the German city of Mannheim, near the frontier to France, which renamed its Opera 'NTM'. Fine for Germans, but it is so gross in French that I can't even mention it here.
Anyway, who cares about a bad name when the software works well enough?
29 • @27 Worrying Package Management on Fedora (by far2fish on 2015-04-28 12:02:16 GMT from Europe)
@27 Am I the only one worried about naming the new Fedora package manager DNF, which I've always known from sporting events as standing for Did Not Finish?
No, that was my first thought as well. And the first time I ran dnf, I was also behind a proxy that required authentication, so dnf timed out :)
(yum had of course the same problem)
30 • Kubuntu 15.04 (by Bernard Victor on 2015-04-28 16:44:10 GMT from Europe)
Why use Kubuntu when you get the same thing from Netrunner plus more applications. Rocksteady and beautiful.
31 • Re: Linux spyware (by cykodrone on 2015-04-28 16:57:39 GMT from North America)
Are you denying a certain distro is purposely writing many packages in to their default installs that 'phone home' to their and other corporate servers? I keep up with tech news and pick everything apart on my own machine just to see for myself, and sadly, it's true. Xuspyware removed, replaced with Salix 14.1 MATE. Salix is still very pure, ZERO traces of a certain unnamed init, Salix and Slackware should be worshipped like gods.
32 • Desktop Debian 8 without *any* systemd (by solt87 on 2015-04-28 17:21:47 GMT from North America)
Up until now, I didn't know how to replace Jessie's systemd with sysvinit *while* keeping my LXDE desktop. Now I found a solution.
1. Install Jessie as you would do normally.
2. Install sysvinit and purge systemd as per http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
3. Add the "angband" repo as per http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
gpg signing key here: http://angband.pl/deb/archive.html
4. Do an apt-get update and upgrade
5. Check for any systemd leftovers (dpkg --get-selections | grep systemd), and purge them. (I had to purge libsystemd0 this way.)
It works for me on my LXDE desktop machine, I trust it may work for other non-Gnome DEs/wms too.
33 • DNF (by BlueJayofEvil on 2015-04-28 21:32:18 GMT from North America)
As a long time gamer, DNF will always be synonymous to me as "Duke Nukem Forever".
34 • DNF, APT, & RPM (by M.Z. on 2015-04-29 03:59:23 GMT from Planet Mars)
I've seen DNF fairly often at sports car races & in other auto racing. A fair amount of vehicles will DNF at say the 24 hours of Daytona or the other big 24 hour race held at Le Mans. Then again according to my dad APT is for programming at machine shops rather than managing Linux packages, and he is right it was associated with parts manufacturing long before Linux even existed:
Of course we all know that 99% of everyone associates RPMs with rotations rather than Red Hat family distros. I think most acronyms are probably used in at least two if not a dozen totally unrelated places, so I don't really see anything new here. In fact if you check acronymfinder.com all three Linux package management terms are associated with dozens of different things.
There are 30 different meanings for DNF:
89 for RPM:
and 110 for APT:
The only real surprise for an acronym would be to find one that's truly novel & unused elsewhere. Anyone who does any digging into such terms would likely realize how common acronyms are rather than make spurious associations.
35 • April releases (by forlin on 2015-04-29 04:56:44 GMT from Europe)
As usual, April was a month of great releases, this time with the added bonus of Debian.8.0. Sometimes a look into the DW's PHR disclose the rising stars and give an idea about user curiosity on new launches, in this case if using 7 day data span. It's what I did right now and found a massive number of hits in the top 10 with *buntu adding 5700+. This is very good. Not to Linux, because Linux was/will always be fantastic. It's good for the regular computer user, because more and more people are now finding what's better for them to use. Regarding Ubunto, though many criticism all over the world is still the preferred distro.
36 • Zen_in_the_art_of_ArchLinux (by k on 2015-04-29 09:30:10 GMT from Europe)
Many like Debian, and Tails, for fine and free qualities, security and privacy, Ubuntu for some of same and customization, so how about trying the one that offers all those attributes, with steep Zen 'learning curve', ArchLinux. Remember Dennis Brown's wisdom, "take it easy, take it slow, just enough now, just enough". :)
37 • DNF (by Anglican on 2015-04-29 09:33:47 GMT from Europe)
From Charles Dickens' "Little Dorrit":
DNF = Do Not Forget
38 • Chromixium? (by frank on 2015-04-29 17:21:45 GMT from North America)
"Announced" on the distrowatch homepage. I've never seen it listed on the "waiting list". Somebody paid to jump the line and get immediate exposure on distrowatch?
39 • Chromixium (by RichJack on 2015-04-29 21:32:07 GMT from Europe)
@38 I actually submitted my distro back in November when Chromixium was still in testing stage. There was no queue jumping or money changing hands. I was pleasantly surprised to be listed so soon after releasing the stable version.
Anyway, thanks Distrowatch for listing Chromixium it's much appreciated :)
40 • Chromixium (by forlin on 2015-04-29 22:17:37 GMT from Europe)
Good note, RichJack. I've been following DW since a few years and learned by myself and others long before me, that Distro entrance in DW is about merit, nothing else. As DW is weekly, I guess it would no be fair to drop the announcement of a new release of a new Distro due to a mere timing issue. That said thanks both, for the opportunity to bring fore and test a relative novelty (Chrome based) in distroland.
41 • Ubuntu MATE (by Tim Dowd on 2015-04-30 11:55:24 GMT from Planet Mars)
I'm a bit religious about keeping old hardware going and out of a landfill, and I'm so excited about Ubuntu MATE 15.04. My two old Pentium 4s are running quickly and so far bug-free in one of the best looking desktop environments I've seen in years. The default software is well curated, the customization to the vanilla MATE desktop improves efficiency, and I think it's a distro you can just give to someone who wants to "try Linux" that will keep them using it. Great Job, Ubuntu MATE team.
42 • MATE (by M.Z. on 2015-04-30 18:31:24 GMT from Planet Mars)
The Mate DE has been available in Mint for the past three years or so & I think LMDE 2 Mate seems like a perfectly decent choice for a semi-light distro. Sorry to be negative but I really don't see what any Ubuntu respin brings to the table at this point besides mistrust & the fear of spyware. Canonical have just been far too underhanded toward users for me to use anything released under the Ubuntu label, at least not until all privacy concerns are remedied. There are also plenty of other Distros like Mint & PCLOS, and if the DW search filter is to be believed over two dozen others that ship Mate versions, so why use an untrustworthy Distro vendor when there are so many good choices out there?
43 • Not all Martians wear blinders (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2015-04-30 20:54:10 GMT from North America)
Even a sociopathic purely-proprietary distro can be brought to heel and trained (usually when the would-be master is trained in tandem); even a distro that proclaims great virtues has its seamy underbelly. If you choose to see only the unattractive aspects, you miss the rest - persist in that practice, and eventually you see nothing good anywhere, become depressed, lose hope, and despair.
Open your mind; just make sure you don't let your brains fall out…
44 • please be specific about privacy concerns (by Tim Dowd on 2015-04-30 22:35:52 GMT from North America)
Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but the only privacy concerns I've ever heard with regards to Ubuntu are from the unity 7 dashboard searches. As Ubuntu MATE by definition doesn't use Unity, I don't see how it can be considered tainted. Are there other concerns? I tend to agree with the criticism of the Amazon searches, but I don't think that smears the entire Ubuntu family tree.
45 • Privacy Concerns (by Chris on 2015-05-01 01:15:39 GMT from North America)
@44 Even if Ubuntu hasn't infected with spyware its entire product family YET, they have shown that they are willing to do so. 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'
Ubuntu's amends, you can now opt-out of their spyware instead of opting into it... Gee, thanks Canonical.
There are too many quality, ethical, distros today to tolerate such behavior. As such, I now avoid all Ubuntu distros, even independent respins (e.g. Linux Mint (not LMDE), Linux Lite, etc.). And I love what Linux Lite is doing, but I won't risk upstream spyware.
46 • Privacy (by M.Z. on 2015-05-01 01:54:38 GMT from Planet Mars)
I agree with much of what you said wholeheartedly; however, I don't really think that Mint should be defacto grouped in with any of the Ubuntu family distros. If anything the Ubuntu based versions of Mint provide an outside auditor who is far more trustworthy & could potentially point out a privacy breach deeper in the Distro if one were to exist. That being said I can respect wanting to avoid the entire Ubuntu family tree, even if I personally draw the line at direct members of the Ubuntu family. Canonical has done too much to destroy trust & privacy rights for me to use anything with the label Ubuntu, but I have a fair degree of trust in Mint & their intentions. I also think that given the blow back against Canonical over the _relatively_ benign spyware in Unity they would not be likely to put anything deeper into the Ubuntu base. Of course trusting a distro vendor or even their base product is a personal decision. I personally will treat anything with the Ubuntu label as toxic until I'm confident that their behaviour has changed, though I won't treat Mint as guilty by association unless I see a compelling reason to distrust the Ubuntu base.
47 • Privacy Concerns 2 (by Chris on 2015-05-01 03:14:14 GMT from North America)
@46 Thank you for the feedback. The third-party audit function is an excellent point; however, such requires one: 1. Trust the third-party; 2. Know that the third-party has the time/resources to adequately investigate any upstream spyware infestation; and 3. Know the third-party can fully purge any upstream spyware infestation.
Many Ubuntu respin distros, such as but not limited to Linux Mint and Linux Lite, likely meet requirement numbers one and two listed above (I know via Linux Lite forum discussions that the removal of Ubuntu's known spyware (zeitgeist and Firefox extensions) is attempted). However, due to various software dependencies (see gedit, etc.), small parts of Ubuntu's zeitgeist remain as requirements or are introduced by users adding common apps, and every user update of Firefox from Ubuntu's repositories reintroduces Ubuntu's browser extension which must be manually purged each time by the user. While an Ubuntu respin could use a different repository to provide a clean Firefox, Ubuntu's zeitgeist cannot be completely eradicated or avoided while being based upon Ubuntu. Therefore, condition number three listed above is practically impossible even for the most diligent of Ubuntu respins.
Ultimately, it comes down to each individual's or organization's level of trust. A trust hopefully rooted in knowledge over hope.
48 • Privacy (by M.Z. on 2015-05-02 21:53:15 GMT from Planet Mars)
After checking though most of the stuff you mentioned on my Mint systems I only found one minor annoyance. A single library related to zeitgeist is present on Mint 17.1 Cinnamon, while the 17.1 KDE & LMDE 2 versions of Mint seem to not have any of the software you mentioned. It's really only a single library & not all of zeitgeist & I believe its related to the Gnome media player Totem & allowing media playback on Firefox. I never particularly liked the 'recent documents' functions built into most desktops I've used since some old version of windows started doing it long ago, & I think recent applications is nearly pointless. That being said I'm no too worried about one annoying internal software usage monitoring package on my system especially since the rest of zeitgeist is listed as uninstalled by Synaptic.
I've been running Mint 17.x on the same since it came out & nothing ominous has spread, so I'm still not worried about it even if Ubuntu is a bad actor upstream of Mint. I'm also fairly confident that zeitgeist is just giving those still using Gnome a little bit more convince in their odd ball DE & giving Unity users the same, though I wouldn't put bad use of the software past Canonical. I suppose giving up on privacy all goes back to the words of The Dead Kennedys "give me convince or give me death", though they weren't being serious when they said it. I guess Ubuntu users have simply taken that notion to heart.
49 • 48 • "Hardcore Punk" quote (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2015-05-03 06:36:50 GMT from North America)
Liberty\\\\\\\Convenience or Give Me Death" was indeed intended as parody (of a line from a speech given by a legislator from the first colony of the British Empire) suggesting consumerism displacing patriotism. The reference is an apt application of such satire, however crass.
I was born before suitable devices were available for people dependent on them for smart began appearing in the gene-pool, though I suspect the gene involved was rampant before technology began to accommodate those affected. I don't know whether this is a beneficial mutation, but it does seem to be associated with privilege or artistic talent.
I would expect any normal business to be unabashedly sociopathic (amoral) in separating such individuals from their funding. I would be concerned if government allowed excesses in such practice, or if they failed to confine the same to those particular persons.
Certain OS+DE versions may be aimed primarily toward that demographic, and understandably so. I suggest Truth-in-Labeling laws should provide sufficient notification to allow the rest of us to keep a safe distance, but should not be required to prevent intended customers from happily enjoying their services. Such labels should not be over-generously applied to other versions, DEs, OSs, remixes, spins or derivatives, of course. (TL;DR?)
50 • Privacy Concerns 3 (by Chris on 2015-05-03 18:20:45 GMT from North America)
@48 As previously noted, I have no doubt that Linux Mint and other quality Ubuntu respins do their best to eliminate/reduce Ubuntu's 'convenience' spyware (I appreciate The Dead Kennedys quote), but questionable upstream dependencies tie their hands. Mint Cinnamon 17.1 stock shows such with the single lib noted. Mint KDE 17.1 stock obviously avoids it based upon default app choices, but beware any dependencys of newly added apps. LMDE, being based on Debian, avoids it and therefore would be my choice of Mint distros (YMMV).
BTW, make sure to check your Ubuntu respin's browser addons. It has been quite awhile since I ran Mint, etc. and things may have changed, but 'Ubuntu's Appearance' addon is nothing but their tie to various search engine's for revenue, etc. It can be disabled/removed if you choose.
@49 Ubuntu certainly is a useful addition to the Linux community, if for no other reason than their product's 'convenience' to new Linux users. I agree with your Truth-in-Labeling proposition, but would also like to see an Opt-In philosophy (e.g., Debian's Popularity Contest) and better dependency limitations (but such a discussion is a bigger can of worms).
51 • Ubuntu/privacy (by Dave Postles on 2015-05-03 18:52:21 GMT from Europe)
I expect that I should post this on the Trisquel forum, but does anyone know whether Trisquel strips out all the Ubuntu spyware (as a proprietary add-in)? It would be an issue for FSF.
52 • Ubuntu Privacy (by Chris on 2015-05-03 23:06:26 GMT from North America)
@51 I have never tested Trisquel, but as an Ubuntu respin it is possible such spyware is lurking in the repos. Easy way to know, start Trisquel, fire up the package manager, and search for 'zeitgeist'. That should tell you if it is installed by default, not installed but in the repos, or clean of zeitgeist. Be sure to also check the browser addons as discussed above.
BTW, Richard Stallman commented on this a couple of years ago... https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do and https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
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|• Issue 824 (2019-07-22): Hexagon OS 1.0, Mageia publishes updated media, Fedora unveils Fedora CoreOS, managing disk usage with quotas|
|• Issue 823 (2019-07-15): Debian 10, finding 32-bit packages on a 64-bit system, Will Cooke discusses Ubuntu's desktop, IBM finalizes purchase of Red Hat|
|• Issue 822 (2019-07-08): Mageia 7, running development branches of distros, Mint team considers Snap, UBports to address Google account access|
|• Issue 821 (2019-07-01): OpenMandriva 4.0, Ubuntu's plan for 32-bit packages, Fedora Workstation improvements, DragonFly BSD's smaller kernel memory|
|• Issue 820 (2019-06-24): Clear Linux and Guix System 1.0.1, running Android applications using Anbox, Zorin partners with Star Labs, Red Hat explains networking bug, Ubuntu considers no longer updating 32-bit packages|
|• Issue 819 (2019-06-17): OS108 and Venom, renaming multiple files, checking live USB integrity, working with Fedora's Modularity, Ubuntu replacing Chromium package with snap|
|• Issue 818 (2019-06-10): openSUSE 15.1, improving boot times, FreeBSD's status report, DragonFly BSD reduces install media size|
|• Issue 817 (2019-06-03): Manjaro 18.0.4, Ubuntu Security Podcast, new Linux laptops from Dell and System76, Entroware Apollo|
|• Issue 816 (2019-05-27): Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.0, creating firewall rules, Antergos shuts down, Matthew Miller answers questions about Fedora|
|• Issue 815 (2019-05-20): Sabayon 19.03, Clear Linux's developer features, Red Hat explains MDS flaws, an overview of mobile distro options|
|• Issue 814 (2019-05-13): Fedora 30, distributions publish Firefox fixes, CentOS publishes roadmap to 8.0, Debian plans to use Wayland by default|
|• Issue 813 (2019-05-06): ROSA R11, MX seeks help with systemd-shim, FreeBSD tests unified package management, interview with Gael Duval|
|• Issue 812 (2019-04-29): Ubuntu MATE 19.04, setting up a SOCKS web proxy, Scientific Linux discontinued, Red Hat takes over Java LTS support|
|• Issue 811 (2019-04-22): Alpine 3.9.2, rsync examples, Ubuntu working on ZFS support, Debian elects new Project Leader, Obarun releases S6 tools|
|• Issue 810 (2019-04-15): SolydXK 201902, Bedrock Linux 0.7.2, Fedora phasing out Python 2, NetBSD gets virtual machine monitor|
|• Issue 809 (2019-04-08): PCLinuxOS 2019.02, installing Falkon and problems with portable packages, Mint offers daily build previews, Ubuntu speeds up Snap packages|
|• Issue 808 (2019-04-01): Solus 4.0, security benefits and drawbacks to using a live distro, Gentoo gets GNOME ports working without systemd, Redox OS update|
|• Issue 807 (2019-03-25): Pardus 17.5, finding out which user changed a file, new Budgie features, a tool for browsing FreeBSD's sysctl values|
|• Issue 806 (2019-03-18): Kubuntu vs KDE neon, Nitrux's znx, notes on Debian's election, SUSE becomes an independent entity|
|• Issue 805 (2019-03-11): EasyOS 1.0, managing background services, Devuan team debates machine ID file, Ubuntu Studio works to remain an Ubuntu Community Edition|
|• Issue 804 (2019-03-04): Condres OS 19.02, securely erasing hard drives, new UBports devices coming in 2019, Devuan to host first conference|
|• Issue 803 (2019-02-25): Septor 2019, preventing windows from stealing focus, NetBSD and Nitrux experiment with virtual machines, pfSense upgrading to FreeBSD 12 base|
|• Issue 802 (2019-02-18): Slontoo 18.07.1, NetBSD tests newer compiler, Fedora packaging Deepin desktop, changes in Ubuntu Studio|
|• Issue 801 (2019-02-11): Project Trident 18.12, the meaning of status symbols in top, FreeBSD Foundation lists ongoing projects, Plasma Mobile team answers questions|
|• Issue 800 (2019-02-04): FreeNAS 11.2, using Ubuntu Studio software as an add-on, Nitrux developing znx, matching operating systems to file systems|
|• Issue 799 (2019-01-28): KaOS 2018.12, Linux Basics For Hackers, Debian 10 enters freeze, Ubuntu publishes new version for IoT devices|
|• Issue 798 (2019-01-21): Sculpt OS 18.09, picking a location for swap space, Solus team plans ahead, Fedora trying to get a better user count|
|• Issue 797 (2019-01-14): Reborn OS 2018.11.28, TinyPaw-Linux 1.3, dealing with processes which make the desktop unresponsive, Debian testing Secure Boot support|
|• Issue 796 (2019-01-07): FreeBSD 12.0, Peppermint releases ISO update, picking the best distro of 2018, roundtable interview with Debian, Fedora and elementary developers|
|• Issue 795 (2018-12-24): Running a Pinebook, interview with Bedrock founder, Alpine being ported to RISC-V, Librem 5 dev-kits shipped|
|• Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell|
|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
|• Issue 790 (2018-11-19): NetBSD 8.0, Bash tips and short-cuts, Fedora's networking benchmarked with FreeBSD, Ubuntu 18.04 to get ten years of support|
|• Issue 789 (2018-11-12): Fedora 29 Workstation and Silverblue, Haiku recovering from server outage, Fedora turns 15, Debian publishes updated media|
|• Issue 788 (2018-11-05): Clu Linux Live 6.0, examining RAM consumpion, finding support for older CPUs, more Steam support for running Windows games on Linux, update from Solus team|
|• Issue 787 (2018-10-29): Lubuntu 18.10, limiting application access to specific users, Haiku hardware compatibility list, IBM purchasing Red Hat|
|• Issue 786 (2018-10-22): elementary OS 5.0, why init keeps running, DragonFly BSD enables virtual machine memory resizing, KDE neon plans to drop older base|
|• Issue 785 (2018-10-15): Reborn OS 2018.09, Nitrux 1.0.15, swapping hard drives between computers, feren OS tries KDE spin, power savings coming to Linux|
|• Issue 784 (2018-10-08): Hamara 2.1, improving manual pages, UBports gets VoIP app, Fedora testing power saving feature|
|• Full list of all issues|
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